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<ravelo_> sn0wmonster, any news on the news?
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<sn0wmonster> ravelo, needs one more look by Joerg-Neo900 and then i'll be ready to sign off on it i think
<DocScrutinizer51> I added comments a few hours ago, would lie to discuss a few more points
<DocScrutinizer51> as soon as I'm back home
<sn0wmonster> saw them, updated, and great-- will be waiting
<atk> DocScrutinizer51: so, I've not really been paying attention recently, how's the laying out of the next prototype coming along?
<DocScrutinizer51> Esa said they are moving office, and it is summer which prolly means holiday season, so he might be a tad slower than usual
* sn0wmonster waves at atk
<atk> sn0wmonster: oh, hello
<atk> sn0wmonster: I knew I remembered your name from somewhere
<sn0wmonster> hehe
<sn0wmonster> i'm still stuck at 15, so i figured i'd be useful instead
<atk> hmm
<atk> yes, certainly a plan
<atk> so you're the new news guy?
<sn0wmonster> it looks that way
<atk> DocScrutinizer51: the european space agency is doing our layout ? :O
<atk> (I am kidding, obviously)
<atk> Well, it's good to hear that it's progressing again.
<atk> Any conservative estimates on when we might see the next proto?
<sn0wmonster> i would advise against any estimates as they tend to be wrong :D
<atk> yes, but they give an idea
<sn0wmonster> afaik agreements were made, contracts were signed, work is in progress, but i wish i knew how long that process typically takes. probably a few months?
<atk> good enough
<atk> hopefully the next proto appears before the end of the year
<atk> I think I'm going to downpay for a pyra too
<atk> I hear 8 months is a conservative estimate for the pyra and it actually is very well priced
<sn0wmonster> i suppose i should do some more research and do a writeup of the differences between the Neo900 and the Pyra
<atk> well, the Pyra probably isn't going to be easy to use as a phone for one.
<sn0wmonster> yea, seems like it's more geared towards being a palm-top computer
<sn0wmonster> while the Neo900 is geared towards being a smart phone
<atk> I've discovered fantastic new GUI implementation methods.
<atk> I will probably write some test programs for my N900 at some point to profile things.
<atk> And make sure performance isn't eaten.
<sn0wmonster> alos the Pyra is ARM, but is the Neo900?
<atk> There are some back-end optimisations I can put in this "library" to make it more efficient.
<atk> sn0wmonster: yes
<atk> But it will make writing a GUI in C very easy hopefully.
<atk> And very clean.
<sn0wmonster> so both will have the problem of needing an ARM version of Debian
<atk> that's already taken care of for both projects I think
<sn0wmonster> so no easy plug-and-play TailsOS device :) (bummer)
<atk> neo900 should work with mainline
<atk> either way
<atk> this GUI thing will be instrumental in putting together my own phone UI for the neo900 when it arrives.
<atk> I will likely try to steal gentoo/void/arch/exherbo packages in some way or another and build a local package cache and then make the phone package management filesystem based gobolinux style
<atk> I will unfortunately need a way to interface with dbus from C though.
<atk> So I will likely need to go ahead with my project to put together code generation for C for libdbus so you can use dbus from C without going insane.
<atk> But this means I don't have to make the UI entirely ncurses based which will probably be good because ncurses is awful
<atk> Or maybe I can find a way to entirely avoid dbus and just steal some other IPC bus and build on that.
<MonkeyofDoom> ncurses should be outlawed
<sn0wmonster> i understood some of those words
<sn0wmonster> what's wrong with ncurses?
<atk> it's a poor API
<sn0wmonster> i have never *developed* for it, but i've always enjoyed using ncurses programs
<atk> not as bad as dbus but it's a bit of a PITA to work with.
<sn0wmonster> ah, yea, that might be
<sn0wmonster> i was considering an ncurses UI for Taskhive
<atk> the IMGUI design (when made more efficient) can do a very good job of allowing you to quickly write simple code for powerful UI.
<sn0wmonster> because i wanted people to be able to use it from a VPS and/or console
<atk> I will have to see if plan9 used some similar style.
<atk> What is taskhive?
<sn0wmonster> A secure, decentralised freelance marketplace application.
<atk> hmm
<atk> "in Java" :(
<sn0wmonster> nah
<sn0wmonster> you're looking at the wrong repo
<sn0wmonster> #taskhive / #taskhive-dev
<sn0wmonster> there's a few early repos where it was intended to be Java for Android phones, but it was changed to Python for desktops
<atk> interesting
<atk> good choice
<ravelo> sn0wmonster, nice
<sn0wmonster> i'm curious if it's going to be able to run on Neo900
<sn0wmonster> that'd be bitchin'. doing freelance work from your Neo900 in the mountains away from everyone else.
<sn0wmonster> (*i have not considered connectivity in this daydream)
<pigeons> i'm considering researching those helium ballons for my remote connectivity
<sn0wmonster> you're a pigeon, you are the connectivity!
<sn0wmonster> you just need to fly these packets back and forth
<sn0wmonster> is that the carrier pigeon RFC?
<sn0wmonster> haha right on
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<atk> loonix has a 10/10 syscall
<atk> memfd_create
<atk> can recommend
<atk> if you need to save the state of some memory in a snapshot, then seamlessly and without any performance loss switch to COW, then restore the snapshot - absolutely 10/10
<MonkeyofDoom> that is a great syscall
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