<wpwrak>
versions, iterations, whatever you want to call it
<DocScrutinizer05>
whatever you call it, we don't have them
<wpwrak>
alright. so v2 gets omap et al., and has "oversized" UPPER
<DocScrutinizer05>
we build a proto_v2 now. Exactly one version. Then we test that. Then we build a proto_v3 *after* that
<wpwrak>
so v2 gets omap et al. ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
and please note that I pondered! not decided
<wpwrak>
okay
<DocScrutinizer05>
you can tell from >>Jul 18 14:29:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ***maybe*** we're better off ...<<
<wpwrak>
well, as time passes, decisions may solidify ... or change :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
as time passes, pondering might eventually result in a decision, but usually that decision gets communicated then
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2016-07-18 Mon 19:30:27] <DocScrutinizer05> we still might provision connecotrs to link to an external "brainboard" after removing those core components when the system doesn't come up
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2016-07-18 Mon 20:14:54] <DocScrutinizer05> for Plan B see what I mused about, above
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2016-07-18 Mon 20:15:23] <DocScrutinizer05> Plan B of "heavy" is "normal" and resort to the 3 BB-xM we got
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2016-07-18 Mon 20:17:46] <DocScrutinizer05> it's just an idea so far
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2016-07-18 Mon 20:17:56] <DocScrutinizer05> up to sparring
<wpwrak>
or have, as separate design, a board that can talk to i2c and a few other simple things, but not more, that can be used in case UPPER-with-OMAP refuses to work
<wpwrak>
then UPPER-with-OMAP could be debugged in parallel to testing most of LOWER
<wpwrak>
well, at least much of LOWER
<DocScrutinizer05>
to talk to I2C I don't need a board, my centronics jack at PC can do
<DocScrutinizer05>
(ok, with a level shifter)
<wpwrak>
and suitable connectors :)
<wpwrak>
so yes, this would be something very simple
<wpwrak>
but basic testing doesn't really need all that much.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
please reread the convo 4 days back, I don't like to quote each single post. e.g "I don't like `light`"
<DocScrutinizer05>
and "we need sth to show off"
<wpwrak>
what i'm suggesting is to make "light" in parallel, to have a backup when UPPER-OMAP needs debugging
<DocScrutinizer05>
we discussed all this back then
<wpwrak>
so, medium-risk LOWER, low-risk UPPER-light, high-risk UPPER-OMAP
<DocScrutinizer05>
I rather spend the time into debugging UPPER instead of unconditionally wasting them into a light version built 'just in case'
<wpwrak>
LOWER also needs testing for mechanical compatibility and such. all this can be done with UPPER-light
<wpwrak>
i would expect UPPER-OMAP to not work in a useful way on the first try. there's always something that goes wrong with boards of that complexity. thus, have plan B at hand, so LOWER doesn't get blocked by UPPER.
<DocScrutinizer05>
upper light is pretty simple: don't populate anything on upper except the connectors
<DocScrutinizer05>
honestly: please reread what I said 4 days ago
<wpwrak>
you still need something that feeds the connectors. e.g., some MCU. USB on one side, 2 x I2C and a bunch of GPIOs on the other. and of course power supplies.
<DocScrutinizer05>
honestly: please reread what I said 4 days ago
<DocScrutinizer05>
your "eew" on my suggestion to unsolder the OMAP isn't a valid argument to introduce some light version now
<wpwrak>
so my input is irrelevant. duly noted.
<DocScrutinizer05>
you are in a strange mood today, are you?
<wpwrak>
;-))
<wpwrak>
anyway, enough IRC for me for today. need the screen space ...
<wpwrak>
oh, and i'm not touching ee/hw/ at the moment. so it safe to change things
<DocScrutinizer05>
I checked in a silly little script
<DocScrutinizer05>
the 'light' version is literally just UPPER with nothing but B2B conns and BB-xM jacks populated
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<DocScrutinizer05>
and when the PCB was accidentally made of kalium instead copper, we could solder a pair of wires directly to the B2B conn to connect to LOWER
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<wpwrak>
grmbl. there are zero-sized pins in the components library. it's permitted, but what a mess ... (the fun things you discover when you write your own renderer)
<DocScrutinizer05>
fun¡
<DocScrutinizer05>
you write your own renderer?
<wpwrak>
yup. in honest C, none of the C++ gunk :)
<wpwrak>
schematics -> FIG. then i can convert to whatever.
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-D
<wpwrak>
the buttons page already looks recognizable. need to add support for a few more items, though
<DocScrutinizer05>
could you come up with a conversion between coords as seen in *.sch and coords as used in eeschema UI?
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<wpwrak>
neat :)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, thanks. I'm about to learn awk. finally
<DocScrutinizer05>
the nasty part: I need to run two passes over all the *.sch files
<DocScrutinizer05>
and kicad once more sucks (prolly not more than any other EDA) in that it doesn't allow to select font and colors of text
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<DocScrutinizer05>
if you have a kbd macro daemon on your desktop, you could define a hotkey for kicad that does playback the key sequence E:Ctrl+C:Esc:Ctrl+F:Ctrl+V:Alt+F;Esc and then use F5 to conveniently cycle between all offsheet symbols of same name
<pigeons>
i should be a little more originl but that means i have to think and its harder to be accurate
<pigeons>
oh no i didnt omment there, i commented on the ycombinator link
<wpwrak>
seems that he doesn't know about neo900 :)
<wpwrak>
e.g., checking the antenna is all very nice, but you could still spy "offline", then wait until there is a "legitimate" reason to go on the air, then sneak out the results of your spying
<wpwrak>
but "offline spying" still consumes power. which neo900 can detect, but some antenna monitor can't.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I *rhink* Neo900 has, but that's completely dos1's domain
<DocScrutinizer05>
nfc
<DocScrutinizer05>
dos1: PINGPINGPING
<wpwrak>
yeah, the engineering department has said all there's to say. let's hand it to PR :)
<wpwrak>
(Propaganda & Rants :)
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<hellekin>
Propaganda & Retaliation :)
<wpwrak>
even better :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
reeducation
<DocScrutinizer05>
sinister, I know :-)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I'd love a 'review' of our design by mr Snowden
<DocScrutinizer05>
worth a lot more than any RYF cert
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<DocScrutinizer05>
a tad puzzling Bunnie never contacted us, I thought he's been good friends with OM
<DocScrutinizer05>
Sean even tried to pull off a joint SoC sourcing by Bunnie Studios and OM
<DocScrutinizer05>
for chumbie that was iirc
<wpwrak>
Propaganda & Revisionism ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
that sounds fine, it also explains our support for devuan
<DocScrutinizer05>
english wiki is a tad negative and already goes into specific flavors, german wiki is OK >>Der Begriff Revisionismus (lat. revidēre „wieder hinsehen“) bezeichnet Versuche, eine als allgemein anerkannt geltende historische, politische oder wissenschaftliche Erkenntnis und Position nochmals zu überprüfen, in Frage zu stellen, neu zu bewerten oder umzudeuten<<
<hellekin>
DocScrutinizer05: stop procrastinating and write that reply to Snowden :)
<hellekin>
to Micah Lee I mean
<DocScrutinizer05>
ugh, I only can write IRC posts which suck
<DocScrutinizer05>
who's Nicah Lee?
<DocScrutinizer05>
Micah
<atk>
I like how the original tweet has lots of replies of people saying that they should use an android phone "for obvious reasons"
<atk>
As if one major corporation was any better than another one.
<wpwrak>
maybe putin sees it, and thinking of how much fun he's having with snowden, decides to send us a few bags of rubles ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I strongly doubt that
<DocScrutinizer05>
pigeons: yeah, I need to find the right standard response for that rant
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe a simple (and intentionally ambiguous "WE are NOT cheap..."
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<DocScrutinizer05>
or "what? this Rolls Royce costs more than 20 times the price of my Honda?"
<atk>
I don't know
<atk>
I would imagine the kind of educated people that Neo900 hopes to target would realise that small scale production of a device as complicated as a phone is never going to be done with the latest and greatest hardware and is never going to be cheap
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, but it's simply boring to state this lengthy stuff each time over and over again
<atk>
Well then, the easy solution is to write a short summary, expand it into an introduction and produce a short article, publish the short article on the website and take the short summary and use it to reply to such argument along with a link to the expanded article.
<atk>
Doesn't the FAQ already give similar explanations?
<DocScrutinizer05>
we could explain that Pyra is as cutting edge as it possibly gets, they started development when it wasn't 100% clear if they could ever get the OMAP5 SoC
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, the FAQ have several answers to all those rants
<atk>
I guess some sections of the faq could do with a tiny bit of expansion, then you could just link to the faq
<atk>
pigeons: there's a comment trail below (no idea how to link to the comment) where someone basically comes to the conclusion that the best way to solve the problem is to have some control over power to the transmitter etc
<hellekin>
the problem with the "not cheap" argument is that people tend to be irrational and put their wallet before reason.
<hellekin>
finding a good counter-argument is hard
<DocScrutinizer05>
we can do just so much about that
<hellekin>
or pull out a jedi mind trick the other way.
<hellekin>
pigeons: "anti-bailout ETHC" means the existing Ethereum chain and taking the side of the guy who hacked "smarter" contracts?
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<atk>
DocScrutinizer05: some places say 16
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah
<DocScrutinizer05>
ongoing
<atk>
15*
<pigeons>
it means not forking and taking the side of what ethereum was promised to be and this ridiculous dao thing was promised to be https://daohub.org/explainer.html but where is this coming from? surprised to see it spill into here
<DocScrutinizer05>
if you're in Minich, maybe leave the street
<atk>
The time when terrorists realise guns are cheaper and easier to use than bombs and can result in more fatalities has finally come.
<hellekin>
pigeons: totally agree with handing the guy the money he genuinely acquired using the right insight, and fuck the libertarians crybabies who shit on the State and go complain to it for bailout when they fail miserably. Forking a blockchain to punish smarts. *facepalm*
<DocScrutinizer05>
didn't consider data amplification by "retweets" on youtube
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems impossible to find the original
<DocScrutinizer05>
I wonder why the videographer took this video, the timeframe he did. I mean he started before the shooting, no?
<Humpelstilzchen>
usually people hear/see something strange first, then start recording
<DocScrutinizer05>
exactly my point
<DocScrutinizer05>
IOW ah accomplice?
<wpwrak>
cameras are everywhere nowadays. something happens, there's an very good chance a recording eventually surfaces
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, and we don't know what happened before the video starts. Maybe the shooter acted strange for quite a while before he starts shooting
<Humpelstilzchen>
maybe he heard the shooting inside the olympia center, started recording then the video scene happened
<DocScrutinizer05>
aiui the shooting started at that scenne and the videographer flees to inside of olypia center, so my take of it
<DocScrutinizer05>
all news say it started in (front of) a McDonals
<wpwrak>
in argentine, we even have video footage of nuns dragging bags of (embezzled) money into their convent at ~3 am, while there's an assault rifle lying on the ground right outside the door. so, how _more_ condemning could it possibly get ?