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<EndZ> nice
<Wizzup> \o/
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<Wizzup> should go on the website or microblog? :)
<Wizzup> It's those little things :)
<DocScrutinizer05> ubloh had it 2 min earlier than IRC
<Wizzup> Is it possible that neo900 has ipv6 records that do not work?
<DocScrutinizer05> everything is 'possible'
<DocScrutinizer05> we had IPv6 issues before iirc
<DocScrutinizer05> thought those were fixed
<DocScrutinizer05> or bogus
<DocScrutinizer05> I got no IPv6 so can't test
<DocScrutinizer05> dos1: ^^^
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<EndZ> is this your bathroom DocScrutinizer05 or why is it tiled?
<DocScrutinizer05> indeed, it is :-) ideal place to kill bugs etc
<EndZ> hehe
<Wizzup> DocScrutinizer05: well, from this loc I can reach it, but now when I proxy through home.
<Wizzup> May be PEBCAK.
<DocScrutinizer05> I _love_ max headroom :-)
<DocScrutinizer05> alas pretty difficult to get the videos anywhere
<DocScrutinizer05> particularly the german sync version
<DocScrutinizer05> my VHS records been eaten by time
<DocScrutinizer05> EndZ: whether it's a chinese godzilla roach or a leaked battery that comes out of the carton, this place is ideal
<EndZ> yep
<wpwrak> that unpacking cell is part of joerg's standard biohazard interface procedure. this sort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vw7E7uE3E
<DocScrutinizer05> funny enough THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN is also one of my fav movies
<DocScrutinizer05> deeply impressed me when it was first performed in cinema
<DocScrutinizer05> well, at that time I was pretty young and computers didn't really "exist" yet - they were rooms full of hot machinery
<DocScrutinizer05> only two years later I got my pranks on first 7400 TTL logic integrated circuits, which were around 60 DeutschMarks back when
<DocScrutinizer05> (around 20 years later the 7406 again was around 60 bucks for a short time, when they announced they stop production)
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<wpwrak> teaches you to wash your hands after touching satellite debris, doesn't it ? :)
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah :-)
<DocScrutinizer05> and not to pry open any unknown obviously airborne objects
<DocScrutinizer05> time for %coffee%
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm
<DocScrutinizer05> aahh 12 648 430
<DocScrutinizer05> aka ☕
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<DocScrutinizer05> watch the pristine mint condition screen under the protector, in http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/N900_24_one-sample-inspected/20160414_007.jpg
<Wizzup> :)
<DocScrutinizer05> which leads me to a question: should I remove the protectors usually applied in a very good way to all of those refurbs, to check the screen is actually pristine? Or should I keep the protector?
<DocScrutinizer05> the protectors are quite nice
<wpwrak> i'd think that you'd be able to see most problems through the protector, no ?
<DocScrutinizer05> that's the question. I think a protector would cover and make invisible any small scratches
<DocScrutinizer05> actually I suspected they add those protectors exactly for that purpose
<DocScrutinizer05> I peeled off 2 of them, one months ago and now a second one on this 24-batch sample, and both screens were mint condition
<wpwrak> hmm, i'd think they add these films to avoid scratches during handling at the factory. i guess they could remove them before boxing, but why take chances ?
<wpwrak> plus, for many a customer there will be a pleasant surprise if they discover after a year or so that this ugly "touch screen film" actually comes off, and reveals a still pristine screen ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> that's not a simple workbench protection film, this is a decent screen protector, made of a highly transparent durable film to stay, plus a protective film on top which is the one you talk about
<DocScrutinizer05> the latter actually is ugly ( http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/N900_24_one-sample-inspected/20160414_005.jpg http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/N900_24_one-sample-inspected/20160414_006.jpg) and users will remove them right away, unless we already do while quality control in sourcing
<DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/N900_24_one-sample-inspected/20160414_007.jpg you see the actual screen protector removed on very left of photo
<DocScrutinizer05> and this is how it looks when I let the protector flip onto the screen again http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/N900_24_one-sample-inspected/20160414_008.jpg
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<DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/N900_24_one-sample-inspected/20160414_009.jpg is device with screen protector re-applied semi-decent by me
<DocScrutinizer05> the question however is not about the protective film but about the actual screen protector
<DocScrutinizer05> I can remove it to inspect the actual device digitizer surface, but then I can't re-apply it as good as they did in china. Those screen protectors are not meant to get removed and then re-applied
<wpwrak> seems that you've found the answer to your question :) besides, if there are defects that a permanent protector hides so that you can't find them, then they may as well not exist
<DocScrutinizer05> did I?
<wpwrak> cf. tree falling in the forest without anyone hearing it
<DocScrutinizer05> see, that's the question. Do people prefer a know-good device without protector, or a supposedly-good device with good protector?
<wpwrak> if the protector is designed to stay on, and there's no design flaw in that concept, i wouldn't remove it.
<DocScrutinizer05> I tend to agree
<DocScrutinizer05> but that's just me
<DocScrutinizer05> no design flaws detected (yet?)
<DocScrutinizer05> it actually even has a cutout to not cover the front camera and proxy
<DocScrutinizer05> err does it?
<DocScrutinizer05> it has a coutout for indicator LED which is a tad of nonsensical
<wpwrak> i guess the guy who got the job of designing the protector had higher ambitions than just delivering a rectangle with rounded edges :)
<DocScrutinizer05> touchscreen sensitifity impacts yet to get evaluated
<DocScrutinizer05> sensitivity*
<DocScrutinizer05> but that's a non-issue as users are free to remove protector according to a warning "does slightly diminish touch sensitivity!"
<DocScrutinizer05> the adhesion is not by glue but apparently by electrostatic charge "imprinted" into the protector on contact side, so no chemical long term impact either
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<DocScrutinizer05> since every unit is unique
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<DocScrutinizer05> so needs an individual sale
<DocScrutinizer05> the refurbs supposed to be uniform
<DocScrutinizer05> thus also the higher price
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<Wizzup> right
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<DocScrutinizer05> actually that sticky tape is as nasty strong as I've never seen before
<DocScrutinizer05> you break what it sticks to, rather than being able to peel off the sticky tape
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<DocScrutinizer05> note how http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/unbox_24_N900/20160413_014.jpg the front one device does _not_ have that decent screen protector
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<edwin> does the touch-screen work better with protector on or not?
<edwin> and the stylus? I usually apply protector to all my devices, although for mine it tends to make them a little bit less sensitive, don't know if its same situation with resistive screens?
<pigeons> i think the loss of sensitivity is less
<edwin> getting my device with a protector already applied would be a nice surprise :)
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<DocScrutinizer05> the sensitivity is a tad less with protector
<DocScrutinizer05> barely noticeable
<DocScrutinizer05> pretty obvious as the protector adds another layer of somewhat rigid material on top of digitizer's outer (surface) foil, thus stiffening the whole thing a bit so it is "harder" to bend it so it touches the other digitizer plane
<DocScrutinizer05> on resistive touchscreen a touch is a merely mechanical action to bend down the outer plane to touch the inner plane (they are separated by oil separator on N900's r-ts)
<edwin> ok, well with the keyboard I'll use the touchscreen less anyway
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<edwin> so everything considered this batch you got looks good so far?
<DocScrutinizer05> thanks to the oil separator as opposed to the usually found spacer bumps and air separation in other inferior resistive digitizers, the N900's digitizer is exceptionally sensitive anyway
<edwin> cool
<DocScrutinizer05> sourcing QA of all 24 devices still pending
<DocScrutinizer05> this will easily take a 15 min per unit
<edwin> well as long as they're not bricks and lemons.. take your time
* ndnihil drops a "shut up and take my money" meme link
<ndnihil> we can order now? :)
<DocScrutinizer05> looks like they're fine. Need to check LCD first and foremost
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<DocScrutinizer05> ndnihil: you always can 'order' in shop. However please note that this is still a crowdfunding project and not a regular shopping order
<ndnihil> yeah I know
<DocScrutinizer05> I.E please read our TOS carefully
<ndnihil> I've read through the site dozens of times
<DocScrutinizer05> incl the shop's TOS?
<ndnihil> probably
<ndnihil> just eager to get my hands on one
<ndnihil> every few months I start shopping around for cellular modules and embedded procs
<DocScrutinizer05> >>This is a <a href=https://my.neo900.org/index.php?id_cms=3&controller=cms&id_lang=1&content_only=1> crowdfunded </a> project and the device is currently in development.
<ndnihil> yeah
<ndnihil> I know
<ndnihil> I've been following this shit since day one
<DocScrutinizer05> :-9
<DocScrutinizer05> :-) even
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<ndnihil> I've got the standard prerequisite kit, gta02 and an n900
<ndnihil> just eager for the level-up
<ndnihil> hell I might even have code in SHR
<ndnihil> every few months I get antsy and check on it, and having a device in my hands still seems a ways off
<ndnihil> so then I start shopping around for cellular modules and SoC boards
<ndnihil> then I get annoyed at how that wouldn't be any faster and close out a couple/few dozen browser tabs
<DocScrutinizer05> we probably all can feel with you, we are all eager to finally get our pranks on a Neo900 or NeoN board
<DocScrutinizer05> s/pranks/claws/
<DocScrutinizer05> german "false friend", sorry
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<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-04-15 Fri 21:05:08] <freemangordon> got frames in mplayer!!! [2016-04-15 Fri 21:11:02] <freemangordon> well, there still no video, but no green only as well, I guess I need to tweak brightness etc [2016-04-15 Fri 21:13:55] <freemangordon> wow, test patterns seem to work :)
<amatus> context?
<DocScrutinizer05> N900 camera on recent kernels
<amatus> oh cool
<amatus> same camera as neo900?
<DocScrutinizer05> one of the last domains where Nokia closed crap has an advantage over FOSS
<DocScrutinizer05> yes, we're going to use a compatibe (identical) cam module on Neo900
<amatus> neat
<DocScrutinizer05> some claim the type we use is higher picture quality than the original N900 one. I doubt that, but anyway, it's for sure not inferior
<DocScrutinizer05> we basically just switched to that N97(?) cam module since it has a neat flat cable with 'standard' B2B connector, while the SMIA95 socket for cam module in N900 is unobtainium
<DocScrutinizer05> and in my book that flat cable attached to the module is the only difference
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<MonkeyofDoom> omfg
<MonkeyofDoom> re: camera
<MonkeyofDoom> what kernels? when did this stuff land?
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<freemangordon> MonkeyofDoom: 4.6-rc1
<freemangordon> still landed nowhere, I need to clean-up the code first
<freemangordon> In the meanwhile I was able to get video output from front camera, test pattern as well, this time it is ok
<Wizzup> cool!
<freemangordon> though the video quality is awful, full of noise
<DocScrutinizer05> pretty usual with front cam
<DocScrutinizer05> it's crap
<freemangordon> though I guess this is normal for the front camera
<freemangordon> yeah
<DocScrutinizer05> yes, indeed, it is
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<MonkeyofDoom> freamangordon: I can't get 4.5.x to boot at all, building from Pali's repo w/ the defconfig
<MonkeyofDoom> (4.1 will)
<MonkeyofDoom> guess I can give 4.6 a compile
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