<wpwrak>
freemangordon: quick question: how many people would you say are roughly "regular contributors" to fremantle, for technical stuff ? (kernel, user space, distribution, etc., not counting, say, tmo admins or such)
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<freemangordon>
wpwrak: 3-5, including me
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, as long as user space doesn't include the apps
<freemangordon>
sure, but userspace is not fremantle-specific, usually
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually the question is "what is the question?" ;-)
<freemangordon>
:)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
fremantle is "mature" so not that many contributors needed
<freemangordon>
well, not exactly, if we want it to evolve
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure, but that's not a mandatory requirement for e.g. Neo900
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's a desirable goal for fremantle at large
<freemangordon>
I am not sure, as it will require an updated kernel
<freemangordon>
neo900 that is
<DocScrutinizer05>
why?
<freemangordon>
because of the soc
<DocScrutinizer05>
the soc is, well, 100% compatible
<freemangordon>
well, not really, for example DVFS won't work as it should, iirc 2630 supports only 3 frequencies
<freemangordon>
*3630
<DocScrutinizer05>
umm
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's sort of a pity that I don't have a N9 anymore
* freemangordon
is checking in the TRM
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<DocScrutinizer05>
wait, I got a N950
<DocScrutinizer05>
however even that has a "proprietary Nokia kernel"
<DocScrutinizer05>
not really a proof if the SoC can handle the clock frequencies as a 3430
<freemangordon>
it can, but there are no OPPs defined
<DocScrutinizer05>
hmm yeah, they are probably scaled up according to the 1GHz max frequency
<DocScrutinizer05>
all OMAPs have only 5 OPPs iirc
<DocScrutinizer05>
the interesting question is: where from does N900 kernel get its OPP frequencies?
<DocScrutinizer05>
ATAG?
<DocScrutinizer05>
and would a powerkernel not be adaptable to the frequencies of 3630, even when we don't use a new kernel?
<DocScrutinizer05>
when OC works on N900's 3430, it should work on a 3630 as well, no?
<freemangordon>
in powerkernel OPPS are hardcoded
<DocScrutinizer05>
thought as much
<DocScrutinizer05>
so yes, we need a 'new' kernel, but that can be an old kernel as well
<DocScrutinizer05>
a new kernel (like 4.5) is desirable for sure, but it is not mission critical
<freemangordon>
you can try to boot PK on BB-xm
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep
<freemangordon>
however, /me has to run, bbl
<DocScrutinizer05>
cya, thanks!
<DocScrutinizer05>
have a nice day
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<wpwrak>
freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05: aah, i think i have a usable answer then. "system without apps". thanks !
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<hellekin>
Paul Schmidt anticipated my call to the community for sourcing N900 phones. Anyway, I wanted to ask you about this topic.
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<wpwrak>
hellekin: i think we need to be clear about the distinction between "used" and "refurbished". as far as a i know, we don't have refurbishing capabilities (i.e., people who clean, examine, test, and whatever else gets done in the process), and it may be non-trivial to acquire them.
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<wpwrak>
hellekin: well, "used" is a superset of "refurbished", so a "used" device may very well be a "refurb", but if not explicitly stated, it may not
<DocScrutinizer05>
ah, thanks werner
<wpwrak>
besides that, it sounds as if it can't hurt to explore that direction
<DocScrutinizer05>
hellekin: as a general rule we usually don't discuss strictly business stuff in public
<DocScrutinizer05>
it can have negative impact on the business itself
<wpwrak>
and preferably not mention names, unless the person has agreed to be mentioned in public :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, that too
<hellekin>
duh I thought I was on another channel
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-)
<hellekin>
autocompletion fail
<wpwrak>
machine scores another victory over man
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