01:09 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc circuitmaker is EDA-as-a-service, I don't feel happy with that

01:12 <DocScrutinizer05> QUI BONO? Altium wants to sell their commercial EDA software. When they give away something for free, you better *expect* some limitations that will sooner or later make you consider to buy the full Altium package

02:11 <xman> Ah, I see good point. Never want to go down a path were you loose control.

19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> hello, a computer glitch caused me losing all /query notes, if you had a relevant query with me during last 6 weeks, please /query me again, so my IRC client picks the log from that dump of logs I have

19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> a simple "hello" should suffice

19:57 <DocScrutinizer05> did I already share http://www.gsma.com/digitalcommerce/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/GSMA-The-New-Mobile-Payment-Landscape_WEB.pdf relating to NFC and SIM SWP? Possibly an interesting read for those interested in NFC payment methods and how they integrate with Neo900

20:27 <Arch-TK> Unless "Apple Pay" is some kind of open technology, nothing I know of accepts anything but "apple pay" and visa cards with NFC

20:27 <Arch-TK> Unless it's possible to spoof an NFC visa card.. I guess why not... unless there is some CR auth going on

20:28 <Arch-TK> I have no clue how any of that works to be honest.

20:51 <DocScrutinizer05> all those NFC payment methods are just starting

20:52 <DocScrutinizer05> the paper expects to see the SIM-secure-element + NFC method, which Neo900 supports, to be here to stay for a long time

20:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yet to be seen who will adopt it

20:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I think there are several usecases where it's already in use

20:56 <freemangordon> TBH I don;t think NFC will make a big share. The problem is that it is MNO who should put bank's application into the SIM (OTA, usually) which makes the bank dependent on that particular MNO. Banks are not happy to being dependent, at least here :)

20:57 <freemangordon> We had a working NFC applet on S3 some 3 years ago, it never went out of the pilot phase. Keep in mind we (as a country) are usually the bleeding edge when it comes to banking technologies

20:57 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe MNOs start to do bank business then

20:58 <freemangordon> this is what they try to, or rather they acquire small banks, but still

20:59 <freemangordon> as your only business as a bank cannot be NFC only

20:59 <freemangordon> s/as/but

20:59 <freemangordon> you can;t make enough profit to keep that business alive

21:00 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, maybe bank was the wrong term. See Amex and whatever their name

21:00 <DocScrutinizer05> or simply see PayPal

21:00 <freemangordon> but will see, the technology itself looks ok, despite there were 3 versions of the kernel specs for the last 3 years :D

21:01 <freemangordon> well, amex is "american" EU is a different beast

21:02 <freemangordon> I don;t think Visa/Banknet like paypal enough to certify them as issuers, for the simple reason that paypal "steals" their core business

21:03 <freemangordon> anway, /me is going AFK. If luf appears later, please tell him to keep his IRC client online after he pings me :)

21:03 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: ^^^

21:04 <DocScrutinizer05> no, but a MNO could ponder that they can do a similar thing like PayPal did

21:04 <freemangordon> what terminals will be used those NFS cars on?

21:04 <freemangordon> *NFC

21:04 <freemangordon> cards

21:04 <freemangordon> yeah, TTL, night

23:50 <leonardo1> hola

23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> what the heck? queried me too

23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ohnoes, canaima