<Skyr>
ddfreyne: That was the basic idea of the law; but the law text was crap
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: It says that the limit applies only for file sharing in non-commercial extent
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: And judges ruled that basically all file sharing has a commercial impact, thus the law is void
<darix>
Skyr: that was before the change imho
<darix>
Skyr: and atleast the stuff that doesnt end up in court is cheaper
<Skyr>
darix: afaik this is still the status quo; the law is there, but it doesn't apply
<darix>
as the lawyers can not start with ridiculous amounts right away.
<darix>
they either need to sue right away of take the restricted fine.
<Skyr>
Unfortunately no :(
<ddfreyne>
But the gist is, never download anything in Germany?
<Skyr>
The brother of a colleague just had to pay 800 €
<darix>
Skyr: first time?
<Skyr>
the deal amount ("Abmahnung")
<Skyr>
Yes, first time
<darix>
Skyr: just because it is in the law
<darix>
it doesnt mean that the law companies dont try to get more money
<darix>
did he talk to a lawyer before paying?
<Skyr>
Yes
<stbuehler>
ddfreyne: not so much about downloading
<darix>
ddfreyne: basically
<stbuehler>
uploading is usually the problem :)
<darix>
ddfreyne: sharing is worse so
<darix>
ddfreyne: and most p2p requires some degree of sharing
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: Don't download torrents (or similar, which automatically uploads or which can be monitored via a tracker or similar)
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: Or buy some VPN ;)
<darix>
ddfreyne: you might get lucky if there is no legal way to aquire the movie/music in germany.
<darix>
though personally i prefer buying things over all the hassle with downloading.
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: That's one side of the problem - if you are caught downloading.
<darix>
which is then ironic that they have those anti piracy ads on bought DVDs
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: The other problem is the "Störerhaftung". it means you have to pay a fee for allowing someone else to do copyright infringement (e.g. leaving your WLAN open, not changing the default password, etc.)
<ddfreyne>
How big is the fine for Störerhaftung?
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: There are some really absurd court rulings. A grandma getting sued for copyright infringement - she didn't even own a computer
<ddfreyne>
How do people deal with the Freifunknetz thing then?
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: Don't know exactly, I think it's somewhere between 500€ and 2000€ (depending on the case)
<darix>
ddfreyne: ask the freifunk guys directly
<darix>
they should know also the legal stuff around it
<stbuehler>
i'd go for vpn routing :)
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: Freifunk exit nodes usually use a VPN tunnel
<darix>
so you pay twice to offer free wlan for others. ;)
<Skyr>
Yes :(
<Skyr>
There are some measurements some Freifunk routers can (optionally) take - some terms of service on a website, blocking some filesharing ports, cutting your connection if they monitor suspicious activity, ...
<ddfreyne>
I have a VPS in the US, so that should be more or less okay, right?
<Skyr>
...but it's not legally proven that this suffices if you get sued
<Skyr>
ddfreyne: at least this will make stuff complicated if someone tries to sue you
<Skyr>
I'd go for a VPN to russia or the like ;)
<Skyr>
I heard there are some Russian vhost provider who even accept bitcoins ;)
<darix>
ddfreyne: yeah ... use a server in a country where they can sue you for hundreds of thousands of dollars. ;)
<ddfreyne>
It's not quite monitored that tightly though
<ddfreyne>
I suppose a freifunk router capped to 30 KB/s with only HTTP open and known file sharing sites blocked would be good enough
<darix>
ddfreyne: https maybe too
<darix>
mail ports maybe
<ddfreyne>
Yeah
<ddfreyne>
80, 443, 25, 143, 22
<darix>
993, 995
<ddfreyne>
Yep
<darix>
587 for those weirdos with submission
<stbuehler>
for those who did it right
<stbuehler>
i'd block 25 instead :)
<ddfreyne>
Heh
<ddfreyne>
6667 maybe
<darix>
ddfreyne: 6697 for irc over ssl
<darix>
and while you are at it
<darix>
how about jabber?:p
<ddfreyne>
I only use Google Hangouts these days actually... but Jabber is a good idea
<darix>
ddfreyne: I use the minimal google stuff which is needed for the gsoc mentoring and android smartphone, because of their realname crap
<ddfreyne>
I'm a bit more pragmatic and not quite as idealistic. I use whatever gives me the least resistance. I ran my own IMAP+SMTP+webmail once... and I switched to Gmail which was *so* much easier.
<ddfreyne>
Actually, I'm not as often online on IM as I used to be. I don't use Adium anymore, for instance. If people want to reach me, they can do so by e-mail anyway
<stbuehler>
most people use email differently than im/irc
<stbuehler>
no need for "hi" and so on, just dump what you wanted to say :)
<ddfreyne>
I use e-mail that way too... it's totally different from writing letters (except when writing to my landlord etc)
<ddfreyne>
I really wish I'd have internet... they say an appointment is possible from August 1st on, and I think they actually meant they will give me an appointment on August 1st, and the time until the actual techniker comes is two weeks
<ddfreyne>
Which means I'll be installed mid August :/
<ddfreyne>
I've been living in my apartment since June 15...
<stbuehler>
can't you sue some idiot for that crap?
<ddfreyne>
Well... First, I tried Kabel Deutschland but they could not give me an answer on whether I could get cable internet or not.
<ddfreyne>
Secondly, I went with O2, but they suck and kept on e-mailing that some details were missing for the DSL installation. Their customer service is HORRIBLE and I never managed to actually get anybody on the phone AT ALL.
<ddfreyne>
Then I cancelled the O2 subscription, which got stuck in some weird in-between state. The only way to cancel it was to send a fax. I had to give my subscription/contract number otherwise, which I did not have yet
<ddfreyne>
Then at the end of june, possibly the beginning of july, I went with Easybell. The techniker came once but the door to the Telefonhauptverteiler was locked, which I did not expect...
<ddfreyne>
Second appointment, nobody came
<ddfreyne>
Now I'm waiting for the third appointment
<darix>
ddfreyne: that whole "inbetween" might have blocked the port too.
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<ddfreyne>
darix: the Telefonhauptverteiler was my own fault (although probably also resulting from some bad communication)
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