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<|3b|>
is there anything like f2cl for f90?
<LdBeth>
Nope, f90’s OOP is tricky to implement
<LdBeth>
But is there any reason you cannot call FORTRAN functions via CFFI?
<aeth>
f2cl isn't good, anyway. Last I checked, it disassembles horribly in SBCL, so even though SBCL is passable in numeric code, you don't even get max-SBCL-performance.
* |3b|
isn't sure i have a fortran compiler (and don't want to require others to have one)
<LdBeth>
GNU’s FORTRAN compiler get reasonable performance, and it is free
<|3b|>
aeth: well, faster sooner than it would be if i tried to read the fortran code to translate it manually :p
<|3b|>
LdBeth: yeah, but requiring a fortran compiler and ffi just because i'm too lazy to translate 1 function manually seems a bit much :p
<|3b|>
at least the f90 code seems more readable than the f77 code i already translated with f2cl, so manual translation might not be too bad
<aeth>
|3b|: I mean, idk, you could probably compile Fortran to faster SBCl than f2cl produces just because you know how to write optimal SBCL. Of course, it would have the disadvantage that it isn't written yet.
<|3b|>
right, eventually i'll probably rewrite it, but f2cl output is still easier for me to read than actual fortran :)
<LdBeth>
If it one function, I think you could look for direct solutions in Common Lisp
<|3b|>
anyone have TOMS 954 in CL? :)
<|3b|>
and/or 493
<|3b|>
(real polynomial zero finders, degree 2-4 and arbitrary degree respectively)
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<LdBeth>
I think maxima can do this, and it’s fairly easy to call maxima functions in CL
<|3b|>
thousands of times per frame? (and 100+ of frames per second)
<|3b|>
though might be worth looking at it anyway, more things to compare
<LdBeth>
I think you cannot get the performance even close to, for example GNU FORTRAN, if written in SBCL
<aeth>
LdBeth: should be about twice as slow
<aeth>
LdBeth: but... you can write ASM
<LdBeth>
If performance is crucial to you, do use external libraries
<aeth>
idk about TOMS but a BLAS+LAPACK approach in CL could easily have an asm code path for the BLAS, at least in SBCL on major architectures.
<|3b|>
ah, maxima is GPL, so that won't help me
<|3b|>
performance is important, but convenience of not dealing with ffi and fortran probably outweighs it for this
<LdBeth>
The original MacLisp Macsyma is in public domain though ;)
<|3b|>
and not sure i want those particular algorithms yet anyway :)
<|3b|>
ah, will check that then
<LdBeth>
Still, that won’t give very respectable performance
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* |3b|
will just translate the f90 code manually for now, maybe try ffi for performance comparison if compiler isn't too hard to install, though probably won't use ffi for final thing either way
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<oni-on-ion>
konban wa minna san, genki sou shitai
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<Josh_2>
Morning beach
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<patrixl>
morning beach!
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<boeg>
morning
<beach>
Hello boeg.
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<shrdlu68>
Hello #lisp! What code formatters do you guys use for CL, if any? Something like python-black for python.
<adam4567>
I haven't got one for my Emacs at present. Someone said Helm helps for Lisp in Emacs. I don't know.
<beach>
What kind of formatting are we talking about here? I use Emacs + SLIME with the slime-indentation contribution. Is that not working for you?
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<adam4567>
OK, an add-on for Slime. That's an idea.
<beach>
It is a contribution, already in SLIME. It just needs to be configured.
<beach>
Even without it, SLIME works OK, but with it, LOOP clauses get indented correctly as well.
<shrdlu68>
beach: It does, but isn't quite like black. For example, if I come across some badly indented code with superfluous white space, how can I automatically reformat it
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<beach>
I see. Yes, with SLIME whitespace is not altered other than at the beginning of lines.
<shrdlu68>
Also automatic folding when line-length exceeds n columns. Black is also often used as a pre-commit hook to standardize code when working in a team.
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<beach>
That sounds bad for Common Lisp though. You can't break a line just anywhere.
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<beach>
And some people line up things like values of keyword arguments, even when that means multiple spaces between the keyword and the value.
<shrdlu68>
Yeah, it needs to be done with some sophistication. It would just be nice to write code and watch it automatically format itslelf to some defined (customizable?) standard.
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<jackdaniel>
automatic indent (even limited as in slime) is wonderful except when you want to have different indent - then it is horrible -- it reindents your forms even when you don't want to
<jackdaniel>
add to that indentation bug in (say) slime, and it becomes infuriating
<jackdaniel>
like auxiliary method qualifiers in :method clause for defgeneric.
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<no-defun-allowed>
It was a bit of a hassle to test out "squished" make-instance where the keywords are indented with make-instance (across multiple lines) rather than the class name.
<beach>
SLIME definitely has problems with some indentation.
<shrdlu68>
jackdaniel: Sounds to me like all these are heuristics that could be added to a formatter :)
<no-defun-allowed>
&body in a macrolet also didn't come out quite right; the arguments before the body weren't indented further right than the body.
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<shrdlu68>
If python could do it, surely lisp can, being homoiconic and all.
<jackdaniel>
shrdlu68: some situations will always be ambigous or information is simply not available for the formatter, then manual indentation works best. unless formatter consistently "corrects" you
<Nilby>
I don't suppose anyone knows how to trick the pretty-printer into being in indenter?
<no-defun-allowed>
(Though the code from whence the problematic indentation appeared in was already hideous, so I can't really complain.)
<jackdaniel>
"one size *does not* fit all"
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<shrdlu68>
jackdaniel: You could tell it to ignore a certain region...Admittedly it would be pretty horrible at first, but several issues and PRs later I expect most edge cases would be covered.
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<no-defun-allowed>
I wonder how that would play with user-defined reader macros.
<jackdaniel>
shrdlu68: I'm generally satisfied with slime indentation and I use it
<jackdaniel>
I'm just saying that it is not a perfect solution (and that there can't be one in general case)
<no-defun-allowed>
Those are not very common, but I wrote a reader macro which would read a DSL expression like #{ let baz = foo(bar) in quux(baz) }# and parse it using the DSL's parser, which would throw off an automatic formatter.
<jackdaniel>
and while manually indenting code is mundane it is certainly not bad, I'm thinking slower than typing anyway, so it wouldn't drag me
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<Duuqnd>
What different systems for code completion are there for CL? I've been using company-mode with slime-company, but I'm wondering what other people use.
<Shinmera>
Just regular 'ole slime
<Shinmera>
I believe there's an AutoComplete plugin, too.
<Duuqnd>
Shinmera: How does autocomplete work with regular SLIME? I've seen it on the REPL, but does it work the same when editing a source code buffer?
<Shinmera>
I forget, but there's a key to open a completions buffer.
<no-defun-allowed>
M-Tab, or ESC Tab if the former changes focus in your environment.
<Duuqnd>
Thanks.
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<jackdaniel>
library is in an unexpected location (i.e different than it was build for)
<jmercouris>
jackdaniel: Yes, the location is different being prefixed as /opt, but, I can build WebKitGTK+ applications elsewhere
<jmercouris>
so I don't believe it is a problem with my installation
<jackdaniel>
I won't argue with your beliefs
<jmercouris>
...
<jackdaniel>
I've just told you what is wrong; why it is wrong is a question dependent on your setup (and not much related to cl); I don't have answer what is wrong in your setup.
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<jmercouris>
I'll probe around with otool then... just in case
<jmercouris>
thanks
<jackdaniel>
sure
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<jackdaniel>
oh, today I've learned, that you may take literally only part of the symbol
<jackdaniel>
:foo|bam|
<jackdaniel>
:foo-|()|
<jackdaniel>
:a|b|c|d|
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<jmercouris>
interesting
<shka__>
this is standard?
<lieven>
yeah. one thing CL does slightly different than most languages is that \ retains its function in ||. so |foo\a| is the same as |fooa|
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<jmercouris>
double interesting
<jmercouris>
when might someone want to do :a|bana\a|?
<lieven>
outside obfuscated code contests I don't see much use
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<splittist>
I need a CLippy that watches over me. "I see you're trying to write a complicated lambda expression; let me open the Alexandria manual and the CLHS to the sequences dictionary so you can write a clear one liner instead."
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<XenophonF>
lmao
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<pfdietz>
"I see you are writing #'(lambda ...). Why are you doing that? Stop doing that. You don't need the #'."
<p_l>
so, Programmer's Apprentice?
<p_l>
that's the name of the project (lost in time)
<pfdietz>
I know of that project.
<beach>
scymtym has some demos in that direction.
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<pjb>
minion: memo for jmercouris: (ql:quickload :paiprolog :cl-prolog2)
<minion>
Remembered. I'll tell jmercouris when he/she/it next speaks.
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<jbreitma>
pgloader: I am trying to convert a double precision to float when importing data from MySQL to Postgres. I am familiar with CAST and use it, but my configuration is not working for this conversion.
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how can i have 6.0 format as 6.0 but 6.12345 format as 6.1235?
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looking for a nice terse option if possible.