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<ebzzry> What is a good library for reading and writing JSON?
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<fiddlerwoaroof> yason is what I use
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<Josh_2> I use cl-json but apparently there are some issues with it
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
<Josh_2> Mornin
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<fiddlerwoaroof> what's the write way to get all the systems an ASDF system depends on?
<fiddlerwoaroof> ugh, *right way
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<no-defun-allowed> (asdf:system-depends-on (asdf:find-system name)) ;; a list of the direct dependencies
<fiddlerwoaroof> that isn't it :)
<no-defun-allowed> Do you mean the dependencies of all those dependencies too?
<fiddlerwoaroof> no, the issue with that is it returns dependency specifications and not necessarily the actual dependencies
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<no-defun-allowed> Oh. Fair enough.
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<Shinmera> fiddlerwoaroof: Just resolve it yourself. Something like https://github.com/Shinmera/staple/blob/master/toolkit.lisp#L38
<Shinmera> note that the resolve-dependency-spec thing needs the system you're resolving on
<fiddlerwoaroof> thanks
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<fiddlerwoaroof> my biggest gripe with ASDF is the lack of user-friendly introspection apis
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<Shinmera> if you proceed on that path you'll have plenty more gripes before long.
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<fiddlerwoaroof> Is ASDF basically unmaintained now?
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<fiddlerwoaroof> (i.e. since Fare switched away from CL)
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<phoe> fiddlerwoaroof: certainly seems so, the last commit was in March and there are no visible GitHub forks with newer ones.
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<PuercoPope> upstream is one gitlab, notrpg maintains ASDF afaik
<PuercoPope> is the one on
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<phoe> oooh
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<fiddlerwoaroof> ugh, resolve-dependency-spec updates the hash-table asdf:map-systems iterates over
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<phoe> fiddlerwoaroof: where is map-systems in your equation?
<phoe> does resolve-dependency-spec call it itself?
<pjb> (com.informatimago.tools.check-asdf:system-direct-dependencies :com.informatimago.tools.check-asdf)
<pjb> (com.informatimago.tools.check-asdf:system-all-dependencies :com.informatimago.tools.check-asdf)
<pjb> etc.
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<fiddlerwoaroof> phoe: asdf:map-systems maps over the hash-table asdf::*registered-systems*
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<fiddlerwoaroof> So, if you call a function that modifies the hash-table, you can get surprising results
<fiddlerwoaroof> I figured out, though, that you can solve it by mapping over (asdf:registered-systems) instead, which returns a list of the registered system names
<phoe> yes, I see
<phoe> is this mentioned anywhere in the documentation?
<phoe> if not, then maybe it could be worth a mention to avoid future bugs
<phoe> the requirement that the function used in MAP-SYSTEMS must not mutate the state of the registered systems is a non-trivial one
<fiddlerwoaroof> pjb: those functions will return things like (:feature :foo :alexandria)
<pjb> They return list of system names (strings).
<pjb> (com.informatimago.tools.check-asdf:system-direct-dependencies :com.informatimago.tools.check-asdf) #| --> ("com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum" "com.informatimago.clext" "com.informatimago.tools.source" "com.informatimago.tools.script") |#
<fiddlerwoaroof> (asdf:system-depends-on (asdf:find-system :fwoar-lisputils)) #| => ("anaphora" "alexandria" ... (:FEATURE (:NOT (:OR :ECL :ABCL)) ...) |#
<pjb> Well, this might be the new feature :if-feature I'd guess.
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<fiddlerwoaroof> There are also a couple other dependency specs like that for version-pinning, etc.
<pjb> I'm only a single human programmer, I cannot track all the API changes of all the software frameworks of the world. This is it is VERY BAD to use frameworks! Just NIH develop and maintain your OWN code!
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<_death> I remember using component-sideway-dependencies (+ topological sort)
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<LdBeth> Does anyone know this person https://github.com/jethrovt
<no-defun-allowed> 404?
* LdBeth the GitHub profile is deleted along with all the repos under this account
<LdBeth> Including some lisp machine stuff
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<beach> LdBeth: So it's normal that the link does not work?
<phoe> LdBeth: it seems that the only Lisp repository was genera fonts
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<LdBeth> beach: the link worked a year ago
<beach> Oh, I see.
<no-defun-allowed> Oh yeah, that repository. I don't know where that went either.
<no-defun-allowed> It is not too difficult to replicate if you have the Genera code somewhere. They live in sys.sct/fonts.
<no-defun-allowed> And I wrote half of a clean-room reader for that format and made a couple of TrueType fonts.
<LdBeth> After one year I picked up Knuth’s metafont
<LdBeth> phoe: thanks. What I’ve looking for is the preview imgs
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<jackdaniel> shka__: it was suggested to me that I should ask you for a feedback with a dataframes protocols given you have written one implementation (https://github.com/sirherrbatka/cl-data-frames), I'd appreciate it if you could comment on this API specification gist: https://gist.github.com/dkochmanski/e575bc6e6d0386f537067b75726e3fb4
<phoe> LdBeth: no idea if the Archive has those.
<jackdaniel> (also, if others have remarks I'd appreciate them as well, please put them in comments section - thank you)
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<shka__> jackdaniel: i will gladly try to help
<jackdaniel> thank you
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<shka__> jackdaniel: this is row-wise oriented data frames, right?
<jackdaniel> yes
<shka__> ok, this changes my perspective slightly
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<shka__> jackdaniel: there was an attempt ;-)
<shka__> at constructive comment that is
<shka__> (by me)
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<jackdaniel> thank you, they all make sense. I've answered in a comment
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<florest> Hi there!
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<phoe> heyyyy
<shka__> what's going on?
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<beach> Hello florest. Are you new here? I don't recognize your nick.
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<florest> could you to recommends small http lisp server?
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<shka__> florest: hunchentoot?
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<florest> ty! i'll check this
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<Cymew> Is hunchentoot "small"?
<Cymew> It's probably a decent codebase, worth checking out if you want to see how a http server is written, but I am not sure it classifies as small.
<beach> I was about to ask why it is important that it be small.
<beach> I guess maybe it is meant for toasters and such.
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<shinohai> Is "toot" still maintained? iirc was stripped-down version of huchentoot.
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<florest> ahah, no. I just want to try lisp in web and i decided to start with a simple
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<fiddlerwoaroof> florest: for a simple web server, look at ningle/clack
<fiddlerwoaroof> They make it relatively simple to start serving web pages
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<jackdaniel> if he is going to look at the code ningle/clack is a mess - unlike hunchentoot
<jackdaniel> so I wouldn't recommend ningle
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<Cymew> Agreed.
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<shka__> jackdaniel: i forgot to ask one more thing, is this protoocl somehow releated to CLIM?
<jackdaniel> shka__: it is for polclot
<jackdaniel> so yes
<shka__> ok, great
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<jackdaniel> we are going to embrace layered graphics grammar from ggplot2
<shka__> polclot was for plotting?
<shka__> great, I would love to make cl-data-frames compatible
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<jackdaniel> polyclot* yes it is
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<phoe> aaaah
<phoe> I thought I would be doing some PRs
<phoe> but then gall stones happened
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<pjb> phoe: the only reason why we want to transfer to computer system: to avoid suffering, to be free to program 24/24 7/7, becoming pure spirits…
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<phoe> to become the REPL that we commune with every working day
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<White_Flame> we conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells
<phoe> we cons up flesh and bone for the functions of the past
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<oni-on-ion> phoe, these are good thoughts
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