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<jeosol>
(setq inferior-lisp-program "/usr/local/bin/sbcl --dynamic-space-size 10000") -- does this command start sbcl in slime with ~10G. I am running a memory intensive case and slime hangs, but with "sbcl --dynamic-space-size 10000" things work but not able to debug well
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<mgsk>
jeosol: yes, you can allocate up to 10GB on the heap. Are you saying it does or does not work?
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<Payleeee>
Hello everybody!
<rigidus>
Hi
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<rigidus>
lol _)
<sukaeto>
aeth: Sure! I see your point. It depends on what you're doing with said HTML. HTML templating engines like Djula still have value, though (as evidenced by Djula's existence - someone wanted Jinja style templates in Lisp), because you can just have your design person write the templates without needing too much from you.
<sukaeto>
whereas sqlalchemy (at least from my experience with it) is just kind of very not ideal way of allowing you to write queries in Python. There's nothing about it that sxql doesn't do better.
<sukaeto>
pjb: "Just using pointers to structures for everything", while possible in Ada, is very awkward and you have to go out of your way to do it. For good reason, IMO. I wouldn't call Ada a lesser language (than Lisp, presumably you meant to say). Just . . . different.
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<sukaeto>
aeth: Ada distinguishes between "Foo", "pointer to Foo", and "Foo'Class (as well as pointer to Foo'Class)" - that last one I've never seen an analogue to in any other language. Essentially, "We don't know the exact type of this thing until runtime, just that it's some descendent of Foo"
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<aeth>
sukaeto: On the other hand, nothing's stopping you from, rather than text-substituting, parsing that templating engine into your html->s-expression system and thus validate the HTML
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<aeth>
sukaeto: #lispcafe also came up with a clever way of substituting something into a string. Basically, build a format string that takes in a keyword argument by collecting the variables and then removing the duplicates for the keywords, i.e. (&key foo bar baz ...) would be the lambda list but they might be encountered as foo bar foo foo baz bar ... in the template language
<aeth>
And since "hello, {{person}}!" seems wrong to a Lisper, it could be represented as (that-macro "hello, " person "!") which will then generate a function with one keyword argument, person.
<aeth>
Since then you're not magicking a variable out of nowhere
<aeth>
Now, whether or not a design person would be able to tolerate (define-foo foo "<html> <body> Hello, " person "!") instead of an alternative is a different story...
<aeth>
I guess the point of this is that you get a ton of flexibility... at the expense of everyone probably preferring their own solution
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<pjb>
you should not trust what comes out of #lispcafe. It's specifically designed for that, not trusting.
<sukaeto>
yeah, my experience is that design people would rather just do PHPish stuff inlined directly into the HTML. So things like Jinja work out great for them.
<sukaeto>
granted, if you don't have a design person and you're stuck writing all your own HTML, then yeah. Having a sexpr representation and being able to work with it in code is great.
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<aeth>
sukaeto: Technically speaking, you can do that in CL, too.
<aeth>
sukaeto: You could write a reader macro for PHP-style CL
<beach>
Good morning everyone!
<aeth>
sukaeto: In fact, at least one person almost certainly made something like that when PHP was in style (although nowadays even PHP uses web frameworks with templates like Python and Ruby offer)
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<jeosol>
mgsk: It didn't appear to work. Now I just do C-u M-x, then sbcl --dynamic-space-size 10000.
<jeosol>
morning beach
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<afidegnum>
hello, using elisp, i m trying to fetch the output of my python file and display but i m having a nil output, what am i missing? https://dpaste.de/4Yi0
<Shinmera>
Try #emacs
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<pjb>
afidegnum: Type C-h f format RET and read.
<pjb>
afidegnum: Type M-x ielm RET (format "a %s" "b" "c" "d") RET
<afidegnum>
/bin/bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
<afidegnum>
/bin/bash: -c: line 0: `python3 nil (/home/isodec/PycharmProjects/pelican/envtest.py mytest)'
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<Shinmera>
This channel is not for elisp or emacs.
<Shinmera>
Please go to #emacs.
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<pjb>
or ##lisp to discuss it in general, as this is not an emacs specific problem, but a mere programming question.
<thijso>
In ECL I'm getting STACK-OVERFLOW errors. Is this something like a runaway recursive thing or something? It says "Stack can probably be resized", but I've gone from 2000 to over 40000 now, and it keeps telling me this after some rather minor changes in my code
<Bike>
thijso: runaway recursive function is a common cause of stack overflows, yes. can you get a backtrace?
<thijso>
Well... minor, but invasive maybe. I put in verbose for logging instead of my own format t stuff
<thijso>
No, backtrace is not there. It's inside a docker and non-interactive
<thijso>
But I should be able to run it manually...
<thijso>
lemme see
<Bike>
it's possible to introduce these things in pretty complicated ways. For example, you could have some kind of object, and a function on that object. With the verbose flag on, when that function is called, the object is printed in the log. But the print-object method on that object also calls that function. Voila
<Bike>
i have no idea if that's what's happening to you, but it's something i've done before
<asdf_asdf_asdf>
Hi. What is (* t). I want extract void and NULL from C. Thanks.
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<thijso>
Bike: seems like something like that yeah. I see a ton of #<process "WITH-TIMEOUT thread serving: \"verbose-thread\"." 0x55da3ceb5c80>'s cycling around with no output being produced...
<pjb>
thijso: read the documentation, there may be a way to get the backtrace programmatically. In CCL, we can use (ccl::backtrace-as-list).
<thijso>
ah, thanks, pjb
<thijso>
I'll check it out
<pjb>
So you could write (handler-bind (#+ecl (stack-overflow #'print-backtrace)) …)
<thijso>
Shinmera: just to check: there should only be one of those threads running right?
<thijso>
Oh, wait. Sorry, Shinmera, that's an internal thing from ECL thread support I think. As ECL doesn't do proper with-timeout, it fakes it with a thread. I forgot the details
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<Shinmera>
thijso: You can potentially have multiple controllers running, but I'm not sure of the utility of it and it doesn't happen normally.
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