phoe changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | <http://cliki.net/> <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/freenode/%23lisp> <https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp> <http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/> | SBCL 1.4.16, CMUCL 21b, ECL 16.1.3, CCL 1.11.5, ABCL 1.5.0
<vms14> which time do you get with that link?
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<vms14> I guess is fast enough <3
<ebrasca> Is vms14 spamer?
<vms14> clisp is slower
<vms14> oh, just the first time
<ebrasca> His link is strange.
<vms14> 0.78 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys
<vms14> 0.45 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys
<vms14> it's a subdomain from freedns.afraid.org
<vms14> they have some strange options xD
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<vms14> I see that sbcl works much better if you constantly use it as cgi than clisp does
<vms14> 0.09 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys
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<vms14> the lower time I can get with clisp is 0.14 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys
<vms14> so at last was a good choice to recommend sbcl over clisp
<vms14> so gilberth is not so slow
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<pillton> vms14: You might get more feedback if you discuss this in #lispweb.
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<aeth> You might want to use a pastebin for stuff like that even though it's not code
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<harber> i have another dumb question that has to do with my lisp inexperience. i'm passing a bunch of params to run-program including one with escaped quotes like -> '("video=\"USB Video Device\"")
<harber> the rest of the params are making it in fine, but this quoted string is ending up different than i'd expected by the time it reaches ffmpeg
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<aeth> harber: you might need \\\"
<harber> oh? lemme try that. why would that be?
<aeth> e.g. (format t "~A~%" "\\\"") ; compare with ~S
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<harber> "video=\\\"USB Video Device\\\"" seems to be introducing an extra set of slashes by the end
<aeth> Does the internal quote need to be "? Could ' also work?
<harber> i tried to use single quotes and i got a had crash
<aeth> those are the two fixes I normally try for issues with quotes in quotes, so I guess something else is going on here
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<harber> yeah, thus my confusion ;)
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<harber> i don't know if the run-program function is doing something, either
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<jasom> slac-in-the-box: With PAX you could disable ASLR on a per-binary basis; not sure if other ASLR implementations allow that
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<ThomasLewis[m]> I can't seem to get ccl or clisp to load projects in ~/quicklisp/local-projects. All I have in the config files for either is the Quicklisp code from ql:add-to-init-file. SBCL finds the projects with no issues. Is there some variable(s) that I need to set for ccl and/or clisp?
<jasom> ThomasLewis[m]: are you using symlinks? IIRC CCL handles symlinks differently from sbcl.
<ThomasLewis[m]> That would probably be the issue...
<ThomasLewis[m]> I'll try changing them to hard links.
<jasom> you can't hardlink directories on most FSs
<jasom> I also think it works in either newer ASDF or newer CCL, but I don't remember which...
<aeth> ThomasLewis[m]: as long as you load it once in SBCL first it seems to work
<ThomasLewis[m]> Yeah, I just remembered that when `ln` complained.
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<ThomasLewis[m]> aeth: I use sbcl as my inferior-lisp, so it gets loaded frequently. CCL nor CLISP like the symlinks.
<aeth> ThomasLewis[m]: I *think* that once it's run once then Quicklisp uses the generated ~/quicklisp/local-projects/system-index.txt which is why I never noticed an issue with local-projects (I have always used symlinks)
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<ThomasLewis[m]> (Changing ~/common-lisp/* to whatever directory contains the symlinks.)
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<slac-in-the-box> wow: thanks jasom ! I built a grsec patched kernel and installed paxctl, but never followed through with config... but I think I will dive into it now, because I've been maintaining a separate kernel for the sbcl instance...
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<buffergn0me> Good morning beach
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<splittist> good morning beach, buffergn0me
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<beach> Hey splittist.
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<emaczen> fiddlerwoaroof: What CFFI type would you use for the NSUinteger arguments of the function NSMakeRange? I'm getting nowhere with it
<emaczen> NSUInteger is typedefed to be a uintptr_t
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<ebrasca> Hi
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<beach> Hello ebrasca.
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<mason> window move 6
<mason> with a slash in front of it
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<jackdaniel> interesting read about formally-specified user interfaces: https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/formally-specifying-uis/
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<beach> jackdaniel: Interesting link.
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<_death> using statecharts for this is an interesting idea.. some months ago I started on a code generator in lisp to generate C++ code from statecharts.. I modeled a small application I wrote with it, but in the end I had other things to do ;) so the project is on hold.. the verification stuff, I don't care for
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<_death> this was the link I saw back then https://statecharts.github.io/
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<jackdaniel> oh, I thought I've posted it on #clim (I wouldn't post it here because it is not really related to lisp as such)
<jackdaniel> sorry about that
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<macbug> i tried to ask a question in #clnoobs but no answe, is it ok if i post eustion here?
<macbug> sorry for the misspellings
<no-defun-allowed> #clschool?
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<macbug> #clnoobs
<macbug> hi, i'm trying to code a function with generates a random number, this random number should be between two given numbers.
<macbug> (defun calculate-random-number (start end)
<macbug> (let ((random-number (+ start (RANDOM end))))))
<macbug> but it dosent work
<shka_> macbug: yes
<Xach> macbug: if start and end are 10 and 20, what is the range? the range is what you want to give to random.
<Xach> you are on the right track with the (+ start ...) bit.
<shka_> end is a problem though
<shka_> think about borderline cases
<macbug> i have tried to give end the value of 100 and start a value of 1. The problem is that it always returns 45 or 93.
<Xach> macbug: how do you test it?
<pjb> macbug: now newbies go to #clschool, because some people thought #clnoobs was demeaning to newbies.
<macbug> i compile the function in emacs + slime and run the function in the REPL
<pjb> (+ start (random (- end start)))
<macbug> pjb: ok :)
<sjl> (it actually switched because no one had ops to prevent the recent wave of spam)
<Xach> macbug: and it always returns 45 or 93?
<macbug> Xach: yes.
<pjb> macbug: in the same lisp image, the pseudo-random number generator will generate other values.
<Xach> that is pretty neat.
<pjb> But if you reboot the lisp image each time, then you would need to re-seed the PRNG!
<pjb> (setf *random-state* (make-random-state t))
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<sjl> what happens when you run (loop :repeat 20 :collect (calculate-random-number 1 100)) ?
<macbug> pjb: i tried that to, added it to the top of the source, re-compiled but no.
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<macbug> sjl: it returns NIL 20 times.
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<pjb> macbug: that's normal, since calculate-random-number returns 1.
<pjb> returns NIL I mean.
<sjl_> that's what I would expect. You bind the random number to a variable, but the body of your LET is empty, so it just returns NIL.
<macbug> true
<sjl_> I don't see how it could be returning 45 or 93 or anything aside from NIL as it's currently written
<pjb> (defun random-between (start end) (+ start (random (- end start)))) (loop repeat 10 collect (random-between 50 100)) #| --> (82 74 94 81 87 79 75 90 50 56) |#
<Xach> sometimes when i have a problem like that it is because i have renamed something but forgotten to use the new name.
<Xach> but the old name lives on in the system, a ghostly prankster
<sjl_> ^^^ that is good advice to remember
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<macbug> i rewrote the function to:
<macbug> (defun calculate-random-number (start end)
<macbug> (+ start (random (- end start))))
<macbug> as pjb wrote and it works
<macbug> thanks
<pjb> random-between is a better name than calculate-random-number.
<pjb> 1- all function calculate something.
<macbug> it is.
<pjb> 2- it's not a generic random-number.
<pjb> it's a random between start and end.
<pjb> (random-between start end).
<macbug> true
<sjl_> inclusive of start, exclusive of end
<pjb> Yes.
<pjb> Like all start end bounding index designators.
<pjb> well, bounding index, since we don't have a sequence here to give an implicit end.
<macbug> it will take me a while to understand this new funtion but atleast i can continue to work on my game, thx. I'll ask questions in #clschool from now.
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<pjb> macbug: there's nothing strange to understand here, but that when you add S to a number between A and B, you get an number between S+A and S+B.
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<pjb> macbug: so if you want start=S+A and end=S+B with and A=0, then start=S and end-start=B.
<pjb> (random B) generate a number between A=0 and B.
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<rpg> I know I should know this but... where is the iterate library hosted these days? the project page on common-lisp.net still points at a darcs repo
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<rpg> Xach: Thanks! I wish someone would fix the iterate project page, or if not just kill it.
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<aeth> (or, I guess, here)
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