<jrg>
wanted to see what people were selling pico itx boards for
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<jrg>
Awaiting Shipment Processing Time remaining: 8 days 19 hours 49 minutes
<jrg>
:/
<jrg>
^ aliexpress
<jrg>
orange pi with 1 week of processing time
<jrg>
ah neat. this img has armbianmonitor
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<jrg>
OK... kind of a shit way of doing it but i just used nfs3 and mapped the local pi user to the uid/gid of the domain user on the freenas box .. seems to actually work that way
<jrg>
let me really try running this bpi now heh
<wens>
received a few more orangepis, yay
<jrg>
+2e ?
<wens>
yeah, and a pc+, and a lite
<jrg>
nice.. i'm just now getting this banana pi sorted out. i think it needs a fan. it has serious thermal issues
<wens>
uh, opi one
<wens>
hmm, the lite is an opi one with wifi
<wens>
so confusing
<jrg>
wens: i am waiting for my opi +2e
<jrg>
i just ordered it today. so hopefully by the time i get it you guys will have made an awesome img for it lol
<wens>
oliv3r: my a20 cubies have been on for quite some time, and i've not seen them crash
<wens>
oliv3r: but then again i don't use systemd :p
<wens>
haven't figured out how to get serial console working with it
<jrg>
ok. let me move everything to the bpi again and see if it explodes
<linux-sunxi>
mripard: do you have get your i2s work ok ?
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<ssvb>
wens: does the opi pc plus board really have no FEL button?
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<luoyi>
mripard: sorry , I've input the wrong name when in the room
<plaes>
what's the price for opi plus?
<luoyi>
just want to know do you have got the i2s work right now ?
<wens>
plaes: which plus? :p
<plaes>
ok, which board did you buy? :D
<wens>
ssvb: no, but it boots off sd card first
<wens>
plaes: they sent me the opi pc plus, opi plus 2e, opi lite (which is opi one + wifi)
<wens>
plaes: i only payed shipping costs
<plaes>
o_O
<plaes>
cool
<ssvb>
wens: ok, then it should be fine and we have nothing to worry about
<wens>
IgorPec: thanks for hooking me up
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<ssvb>
wens: does it boot from a dedicated eMMC boot partition or from the usual data area like a normal SD card?
<wens>
ssvb: the usual i suppose
<wens>
i haven't dumped the whole image
<MoeIcenowy>
wens: Is the I2S driver for mainline now suitable for re-use in A33？
<wens>
MoeIcenowy: i'm not the one working on it
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<ssvb>
wens: the dedicated eMMC boot partition might potentially be used as an additional boot media and have its own boot priority (different from the eMMC treated as a regular SD card)
<tkaiser>
wens: Can you please put the fex somewhere online immediately if you're not pushing it to sunxi-boards within the next hour?
<ssvb>
wens: but I haven't experimented with eMMC yet, and will probably do it some time later with Jide Remix Mini
<wens>
tkaiser: i'm writing up the steps as part of the commit log :)
<tkaiser>
wens: Good to know. Also good to hear that Xunlong sent you a few more boards then the one recommended to Steven ;)
<KotCzarny>
good to know there will be working fex by the time mine arrives ;)
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
wens: you can do an exhibition, all available devices
<wens>
JohnDoe_71Rus: i have a list of devices i own on the wiki
<wens>
tkaiser: fex file pushed
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
wens: all on ohe photo
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
one
<wens>
JohnDoe_71Rus: not going to do that for now, as it's quite messy :p
<KotCzarny>
h3: Add fex file for Orange Pi PC Plus ?
<wens>
yup
<KotCzarny>
dolphin-p1, lol
<KotCzarny>
that cooler table looks funny
<ssvb>
wens: it's interesting that the [dram_para] section is different from what we had on opipc
<wens>
NiteHawk: mentioned in the log, i had to bypass that check
<NiteHawk>
oh, sorry - missed that
<wens>
ssvb: i see... i'm not running anything meaningful though
<KotCzarny>
run limatester
<KotCzarny>
:)
<wens>
tkaiser: yes, and fex file extracted and pushed
<KotCzarny>
oh, wow, dualbooting! :)
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<jemk>
don't have more time now, but para1 only sets size (one more row bit and fixed 1gb size)
<jemk>
tpr13 bit0 says don't autodetect size, use para1 instead
<jemk>
the mr0 is prepopulated with calculated timings
<jemk>
so it looks mostly the same, only size autodetection turned off
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<ssvb>
jemk: thanks!
<NiteHawk>
while i'm at it: if anyone else has original .bin files (that were not produced by our fexc/fex2bin tool) for testing, feel free to dump them in my direction
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<wens>
libv: do we want individual pages for the new variants? or just list them in the base device page? (like opi PC & PC+)
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: If your 2E arrives you could give this fex a try then: http://pastebin.com/KC4DQBQz (ssvb's adoptions after 1st import of Xunlong fex and Armbian's settings eg different led useage)
<KotCzarny>
sure, but i dont know which eon it will be by then *grins*
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<KotCzarny>
xunlong should really make it configurable, so one can order things under 22eur .eu vat
<KotCzarny>
and add things later
<wens>
the wifi on the new variants is not a module, but a bunch of components directly on the board
<wens>
like the rpi3
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<ssvb>
apritzel: can't we describe something as "pins 19,21,23,24 on the raspberry pi expansion header" which provide SPI functionality but without going into exact details which SoC pins would be mapped to them?
<apritzel>
ssvb: that would be ideal, yes, but as this is a userspace problem (I think) I am not sure this is a DT call to answer
<ssvb>
apritzel: then either the userland code or the kernel driver would request this set of pins, and seamlessly support Raspberry Pi, Orange Pi PC and Pine64?
<apritzel>
unless we have a kernel interface for that, then the kernel could read this info from DT and export this mapping
<apritzel>
ssvb: I think we both agree on this, but I am not aware of any existing solution
<wens>
tkaiser: yup , looks supported
<apritzel>
I am not even sure that existing software uses standard Linux kernel interfaces to use GPIOs, for instance, I guess many people use some dodgy Raspi GPIO library
<ssvb>
looks like there might be some room for improvement
<apritzel>
ssvb: indeed
<apritzel>
mripard: are you aware of any solution to this: "I want to use pins 19,21,23,24 of the Raspi-compatible header" problem?
<apritzel>
(or anyone else?)
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<MoeIcenowy>
wens: rtl8189ftv is sdio based?
<wens>
MoeIcenowy: yup
<mripard>
codekipper: even GPIOs do not work
<mripard>
codekipper: I'm starting to think this is just my board that is damaged
<MoeIcenowy>
I just now inserted a rtl8191su (driver is r8712u in staging)
<MoeIcenowy>
and my kernel panicked...
<MoeIcenowy>
It's my PC
<KotCzarny>
:>
<mripard>
luoyi: no, but it might be because of my board
<codekipper>
mripard: do you have anything else with the pins exposed?
<tkaiser>
Gets written by PhoenixCard/PhoenixSuit anyway even if unused?
<tkaiser>
s/written/created/
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<KotCzarny>
i guess its gpt/uefi related
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<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Really? You know that the BSP code Allwinner uses for these devices relies on u-boot 2011.09? ;) And partitioning is done by PhoenixSuit in this case, a pretty outdated piece of Windows software
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser, i've never saw anything similar to mmcblk0boot
<KotCzarny>
that's why i'm confused :)
<mripard>
KotCzarny: it's actually some part of the MMC standard, nothing GPT or UEFI related
<KotCzarny>
funky
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<mripard>
(iirc it's present since MMC 4.0)
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<ssvb>
tkaiser: thanks! can you dump the data from these partitions and do some experiments?
<tkaiser>
ssvb: If instructions are precise enough. Just out for a coffee now for a few minutes
<ssvb>
yes, there are special boot partitions as part of the eMMC standard, they provide a dedicated storage place for the bootloader, which does not need to reside on the same block device as the rootfs
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<tkaiser>
ssvb: If you prefer I can mail you a sudo enabled SSH account for the board and setup port forwarding
<ssvb>
tkaiser: SSH access would not help, we need to try placing the bootloader to different locations and reboot the board multiple times to check how the boot priority is handled
<ssvb>
I will also update it to print the boot device type if it differs from 0 (SD card) and 3 (SPI)
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<tkaiser>
ssvb: OK, but this isn't stuff for today (weather gets good again ;) -- I will refrain from wiping out the eMMC now and get back to you when ready within the next few days.
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<NiteHawk>
btw: ssvb, if you update your PR addressing the NULL ptr thing, I'm all for merging that sooner than later ;)
<ssvb>
tkaiser: do you even have write access to these partitions?
<ssvb>
NiteHawk: yes, I will update it now
<tkaiser>
ssvb: mount: /dev/mmcblk1boot0 is write-protected (same for the other partition)
<ssvb>
tkaiser: this can be a bit cumbersome then, probably we will have to add eMMC boot partitions read/write support to sunxi-fel in order to make dealing with this stuff trivially easy :)
<ssvb>
tkaiser: though the kernel probably has some configuration knobs
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<tkaiser>
ssvb: As long as you add this support to sunxi-fel I don't mind executing the binary afterwards ;)
<tkaiser>
Will start now lima-memtester on 2E
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<phiplii>
You mean to tell me that Xunlong haven't prepared a fully functional SD card image?
<phiplii>
but they've been shipping devices?!
<phiplii>
How can this be so?
<KotCzarny>
lol
<phiplii>
heh
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<KotCzarny>
good sarcasm, almost got confused ;)
<phiplii>
I never understand why there isn't a sarcasmmakr
<phiplii>
*sarcasmmark
<KotCzarny>
there is
<tkaiser>
phiplii: I got also PC Plus and Plus 2E today, both with eMMC populated with Android. Maybe I try to boot Android the 3rd time in my live to see whether WiFi works there
<KotCzarny>
<sarcasm>yup.</sarcasm>
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<phiplii>
perhaps we could appropriate one of the less used symbols? "¬" seems to be going spare...
<KotCzarny>
that symbol is a letter used in my language
<phiplii>
tkaiser : it is like linux, but using the interface is like wearing boxing gloves and you have to spend hours getting root access to change any settings
<KotCzarny>
you would have to dig deeper in the utf-32
<KotCzarny>
phiplii: you can install ssh server on android
<phiplii>
KotCzarny : damnit. that is about the only one drawn on a key that I don't use
<tkaiser>
phiplii: LOL, I accidentally booted Android on PC Plus already. Forgot to insert SD card before and was a bit confused since you get a root shell with serial console.
<phiplii>
I tend to use Android to remote monitor real computers. Connectbot and airterm.
<phiplii>
works quite well with a bluetooth keyboard
<tkaiser>
I tend to ignore Android as much as I can
<phiplii>
I have 5 days off work now.
<phiplii>
perfect timing to play with all the electronics I've accidentally ordered lately
<KotCzarny>
:)
<phiplii>
tkaiser : what do you use for mobile devices? Phone & or tablet?
<phiplii>
I used to have one of these : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_P_series as an alternative, but the graphics driver support was terrible, and then a ram chip de-soldered itself...
<jernej>
tkaiser: I managed to find proper drivers, as I already mentioned on the forum
<jernej>
The problem is, that I don't have a board with such chip :)
<tkaiser>
jernej: If you need remote access I can provide this.
<jernej>
Currently I have other plans, so someone else will have to test them
<jernej>
I think IgorPec is on it
<tkaiser>
jernej: Ok, that saves me from setting up an 2.4 GHz AP (crowded area where 2.4GHz is 'dead' already)
<jernej>
I mean, IgorPec will test them
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<phiplii>
well, it boots.
<phiplii>
that's a start
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<KotCzarny>
grab the thermometer
<phiplii>
I transferred my OPi One thermal settings in before booting :p
<willmore>
Hmm, pondering the difference between the wifi-less OpiLite and the OpiOne.
<KotCzarny>
thats why i told you to grab the thermo and not fire extinguisher :P
<tkaiser>
willmore: One more USB host port without soldering? ;)
<phiplii>
heh
<phiplii>
51 deg C atm
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<willmore>
tkaiser, is that the summary? I can't find a good image/description of the wifi-less model.
<phiplii>
willmore : they are very similar
<KotCzarny>
all of them should be treated as wifiless thanks to crappy chips
<phiplii>
same form factor
<phiplii>
differences are...
<tkaiser>
willmore: Are you joking? :) Lite is like One with one more USB type A receptacle, microphone and IR receiver but no Ethernet jack
<phiplii>
One : 1 usb host, 1 ethernet, tiny pads several other things
<phiplii>
Lite : 2 usb host, 1 wifi that doesn't work yet, 1 IR receiver, 1 microphone
<tkaiser>
willmore: Ah, and the non-working WiFi of course ;)
<phiplii>
like tkaiser said
<willmore>
KotCzarny, yeah, that's sort of why I don't care for the wifi models.
<phiplii>
tkaiser : still - at least the second USB means that when you plug in your USB wifi dongle, you can plug in a keyboard or mouse (not both) at the same time!
<phiplii>
(with unless you x, y, z etc. etc.)
<willmore>
tkaiser, I can't find any actual pictures of the Lite wo/WiFi on the alibaba page for OrangePi.
<willmore>
There are two 'lite' models. One with two USB and Wifi. The other is supposed to have two USB and ethernet and no wifi.
<phiplii>
go to aliexpress.com
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<KotCzarny>
otg port can be used as normal (hostmode) usb too
<phiplii>
and search for "orange pi one" and "orange pi lite"
<tkaiser>
jelle: IMO it's not possible to maintain such a table. Same with large software projects. Better try smaller pieces ;)
<jelle>
hehe well a table for all orange pi boards would be nice haha
<jelle>
there are so many and such confusing names..
<jelle>
is the lite better then the one or is the pc better?!
<tkaiser>
jelle: 'yes, of course' ;)
<KotCzarny>
are there any variations between implementations of particular soc?
<KotCzarny>
ie. all H3 have the same speed etc
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: No, it depends (on voltage regulator for example, regarding A20 for example on kernel version), so simply forget about your 'all sunxi boards' approach :)
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser, that's why i didnt include cores/speed columns
<KotCzarny>
maybe vreg column should be adjacent to soc then
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: A table for all H3 boards would be useful IMO (since naming scheme is weird and differentiation between boards, eg. OPi Plus 2 -- overpriced/crappy -- vs. OPi Plus 2E)
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<nove>
this kind of tables could be autogenerated, if the wiki, and each devices pages were done by using semantic mediawiki extension, but this is another level of complexity that maybe is easy to do at hand
<KotCzarny>
nove, good idea, do you know how to do it?
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<nove>
KotCzarny: i tried in a local wiki instance, but is really complex, and should be first thought if is worth the trouble
<KotCzarny>
theoretically infobox should provide that info
<KotCzarny>
but it misses few essential fields (mainline status, vreg etc)
<nove>
yes, that would be the idea
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<nove>
those others fields, only needs to be in page, at any place
<KotCzarny>
dimensions might be useful too
<tkaiser>
At least I won't create any more device pages if I've to read through semantic stuff a few hours before :) Since I don't believe such a huge table is worth the efforts to spend the extra time. Information has a specific purpose. And time a value.
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<KotCzarny>
might be of some value if people start choosing boards with better features (ie. nicer vreg)
<KotCzarny>
opipc page: 'manufacturer: orangepi' is there such maker?
<tkaiser>
That needs a tutorial and not a table. BTW: Currently doing a review of BPi M2+ vs. OPi Plus 2E (since both are GbE equipped H3 boards). The details matter (eg. performance when throttling jumps in -- you can't do this in a table)
<nove>
entry of data is easy, the complexity is in use this data to display information
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: vreg used matters the most i bet
<tkaiser>
nove: But _which_ information? Eg. 'count of USB receptacles' vs. 'count of SoC USB host ports'. We have boards with 4 USB receptacles that use only 1 USB host port and we have boards with 3 where 3 USB host ports are used (no bandwidth sharing)
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: i plan to mark boards with internal usb hubs
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Not entirely true. PCB size seems to matter also (heat dissipation more efficient is SBC is larger)
<KotCzarny>
to differentiate from normal usb ports
<KotCzarny>
right, i had to add dimensions column
<tkaiser>
s/is SBC/if PCB/
<nove>
tkaiser: yes that kind of information
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: And how to _explain_ facts in a table like GL830 used on Cubietruck Plus uses an own USB host port vs. the very same GL830 on BPi M3 is behind an USB hub so has to share bandwidth with all USB receptacles?
<KotCzarny>
just mark gl830 sata as crappy in general
<KotCzarny>
no matter if sharing or not
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<nove>
semantic mediawiki, makes every wiki page into a database entry of keyword values pairs, that can be queried from other pages to display information
<nove>
i looked when tried to find way to better display the register definition, but i gave out of the idea (too complex)
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<nove>
KotCzarny: that is the trouble that must be thought, if is worth to have
<tkaiser>
Also how discouraging it would be to add new devices to the wiki if you've to spend several hours on understanding this stuff first
<KotCzarny>
oh wow, orange pi has vga port
<tkaiser>
BTW: Specs vs. reality. Using worst case conditions (enclosure from hell without any airflow) BPi M2+ is just half as fast as OPi Plus 2E. Using cpuminer to create some load, BPi M2+ already have to throttle down to 576MHz where OPi +2E stayed at 1200MHz. Weird
<tkaiser>
Specs would show 1296 MHz vs. 1200 MHz but when you _need_ performance the gap is way larger between both boards (due to voltage regulator and obviously different heat dissipation caused by PCB)
<nove>
but you all know, this is only a idea of how to avoid duplicate the same information by hand, just to create a table
<tkaiser>
nove: And for OPi One [[DRAM Size::0.5G]] or [[DRAM Size:512M]]? If creating a new device page takes more than an hour then at least I won't contribute any longer, especially since I see really no benefit. One table for the various H3 boards == ok, the approach to create a huge table for all boards: both useless and not able to maintain
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: No, and that's the problem. When you go through each device page you spend a few hundred hours of your time or in other words: You give up before.
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<nove>
well, as said, this would be another level of complexity
<KotCzarny>
oh well, added xunlongs from the category. now the variants
<KotCzarny>
WOW, my opi+2e is in my country now
<KotCzarny>
maybe i'll get it this/next week
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser, how was your opi+2e packaged?
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<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: I got 3 boards + 3 PSU (5V/3A -- c'mon your wiki table is already outdated! ;) in a small box, the boards were in the usual cardboard boxes. But so far everything shipped from Xunlong was properly packaged
<KotCzarny>
i hope there will be cardboard box
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: It's not a Pain64! ;)
<KotCzarny>
:)
<jrg>
going to try to use bitcoind with an nfs
* jrg
continues the bananapi fun
<KotCzarny>
jrg: drop the whole thing in oil bath
<jrg>
lol
<KotCzarny>
should solve your troubles
<jrg>
KotCzarny: too bad nobody sells a bananapi case with the oil
<jrg>
it cuts 4 cores off when bitcoind runs
<KotCzarny>
come on, its diy box, just grab some container and use it ;)
<jrg>
i just need to get past the initial download of the blockchain. after that it shouldn't use too much
<tkaiser>
jrg: You need to adjust ths settings then ;)
<jrg>
i think i have some corn oil in the pantry :P
<jrg>
tkaiser: not really sure where i change that with a bananapi image
<jrg>
with a rpi it's easy. i just edit the config.txt
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<tkaiser>
jrg: And the image you're using contains a script that tries to bring back killed CPU cores. But since it has been made for H3 you have to adjust it (8 vs. 4 cores).
<jrg>
really? where is the script?
<jrg>
i'd rather it throttled the cores than cut them off
<tkaiser>
jrg: Have a look in /etc/rc.local how the script is called (something with 'keeper' in the name) and then add '7 6 5 4' to the loop
<jrg>
/usr/local/bin/sun8i-corekeeper.sh &
<jrg>
sun8i? heh
<tkaiser>
jrg: As said yesterday or the day before: You can use script.bin but the location is somewhat moronic (not /boot but a special path on the first FAT partition). And there you could adjust the settings. Just read through https://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib/issues/298 for some understanding how ths/cooler table settings influence each other.
<tkaiser>
jrg: BTW: You bought the wrong device ;)
<jrg>
haha
<KotCzarny>
:)
<jrg>
how is the orange pi plus 2e?
<KotCzarny>
sell it, buy the opi+2e!
<jrg>
KotCzarny: no need to sell it
<jrg>
i'll still use it.. someone has to have one to see what else it can do
<KotCzarny>
hmm, does opi lite have wifi or just antenna?
<jrg>
so in order to change settings for these boards you have to edit a .fex file... then "compile" it to script.bin .. then put it to wherever it boots from?
<tkaiser>
PC Plus. Like PC with 8GB eMMC and WiFi
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: got it, thx
<tkaiser>
jrg: Correct. bin2fex and fex2bin are your friends.
<jrg>
oh you can go backwards too? i'll try that later this week
<jrg>
just so i know how to do it.. it is awkward to me. i've never done it
<tkaiser>
jrg: And you should read through the bananapi.org thread I referenced since there everything (including the many documentation flaws by @sinovoip) is explained.
<jrg>
tkaiser: where is it again?
<jrg>
i remember reading the one where you went on a rant about the armbian thing :)
<KotCzarny>
some info is missing but at least can be compared quickly
<tkaiser>
jrg: No idea, the thread where you got my image from. The posts after that I explained how to update kernel, adjust uEnv.txt/script.bin and so on.
<jrg>
oh ok... i'll find it
<phiplii>
Hum
<phiplii>
when I ran updates and rebooted, the OPi Lite switched back to another script.bin
<phiplii>
and now crashes when it finishes booting
<KotCzarny>
one does router/server home work and another is doing audio box work
<KotCzarny>
both are a20 based
<KotCzarny>
opi+2e is going to be my desktop replacement
<phiplii>
at the moment, there is a 1st gen Raspberry Pi acting as the external facing SSH server (and temperature logger), and an OPi PC keeping an eye on the rescue pigeon
<phiplii>
I'm playing with a Odroid C2 a bit as well, but it doesn't have a job yet
<phiplii>
but it seems to be a well built machine
<phiplii>
Right. Issue logged. Shout if you need more details.
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<phiplii>
and all fixed and working
<phiplii>
anyways
<phiplii>
time to sleep. Night folks.
<KotCzarny>
good idea, nite!
<topi`>
phiplii: the issue with Odroid C2 is the lack of proper mainline kernel
<topi`>
it's stuck with a patched 3.14
<phiplii>
topi` : they claim it is in progress
<phiplii>
and hardkernel actually seem to take a role in OS development
<phiplii>
but I'm not really here
<phiplii>
I've already left to go to sleep
<phiplii>
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<jrg>
well.... bitcoind holding up quite well on the bpi using nfs
<jrg>
by now it would have wrecked the SD lol. no idea what it is about an SD but bitcoind sure can't get along with it. i guess too much io?
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