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<djdv> svitx: `ipfs log level pin DEBUG`
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<thomasa__> Hey everyone
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<victorbjelkholm> ?
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<miceiken> Does IPFS Cluster have some sort of white paper? A more technical / academic description?
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<svitx> djdv: Suspicous, I'm not getting any messages past it stating that ipfs has entered a running state.
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<djdv> svitx: hmm, same. It looks like there are only error messages logged at the moment
<djdv> not a bug, just no additional info is logged
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<djdv> svitx: if you really want to investigate it and can build ipfs, I'd suggest adding log.Debugf statments in https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/pin/pin.go and seeing where it's getting stuck at
<miceiken> Is this the only documentation for IPFS Private Networks? https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/docs/experimental-features.md#private-networks
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<svitx> djdv: Is it safe to run two instances of IPFS against the same .ipfs directory by chance? The unpinning issue is unfortunately only happening with my production instance.
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<ctOS> Is there any more complete documentation on IPNS available than /ipns/docs.ipfs.io/guides/concepts/ipns/ ?
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<ctOS> “The documentation on IPNS is very sparse.” – https://github.com/ipfs/website/issues/273
<djdv> svitx: I beleive the first instance will lock it, I'd clone the .ipfs dir if you can. Best not to run debug builds on production datasets imo ;^)
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<svitx> djdv: clone as in rsync it to another machine, or via ipfs cluster?
<svitx> In trying to troubleshoot this, I found that when I did an rsync to another machine, none of the pins were visible when I launched the local 'ipfs daemon'. I imagine something in .ipfs/config needs to be tweaked?
<ctOS> Is there a generic way to detect that an URL is for a IPFS resource? E.g. how do I tell that `https://github.com/ipfs/blog` is not a public gateway to IPFS but `https://cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipfs/stuff` is?
<Swedneck> headers iirc
<ctOS> Swedneck: anything that can be detected via JavaScript?
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<Swedneck> not sure
<Swedneck> what're you trying to do?
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<djdv> svitx: the pins should come over with the repo, when cloned to the other machine was it to the default location? (~/.ipfs) If not you need to set the IPFS_PATH envvar
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<ctOS> Swedneck: I’m thinking of extension compatibility. web extensions will only see http://127.0.0.1:8080/ipfs/. If there was a way to get the location from something like window.ipfs.ipfs_location then extensions could use that to build a public gateway URL. For when you want to save something you accessed over IPFS to some extension that requires a web accessible URL.
<djdv> actually, it wouldn't start if it was missing... hmm
<Swedneck> i'm not sure i understand
<Swedneck> build a public gateway url?
<Swedneck> also, save to an extension?
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<ctOS> Swedneck: say you’re reading http://127.0.0.1:8080/ipfs/whatever but its too long so you want to save it to Instapaper. The instapaper web service expects to receive a web accessible URL from the extension. So how does the extension get a web accessible URL out out of */ipfs/whatever? It’t can’t blindly assume all URLs paths that start with /ip[f|n]s/ are IPFS, so it needs some way to detect that the current page is in fact
<ctOS> accessed over IPFS.
<ctOS> So I’m looking for a way to detect that the current document in the browser was loaded over IPFS. HTTP headers aren’t accessible via JavaScript after the document has loaded (and you don’t want every extension registering hooks into every web request to detect the X-Ipfs-Location header).
<Swedneck> why can't it blindly assume /ipfs/ is an ipfs resource?
<djdv> svitx: does `ipfs pin verify` report any issues?
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<ctOS> Swedneck: as in that URL matches the pattern but isn’t served over IPFS
<djdv> I'm not actually sure if it would cause issues, but my guess is that you may have a partial pin, and it's getting stuck trying to unpin that
<Swedneck> ah
<Swedneck> well in that case i have no clue
<svitx> djdv: no errors, yeah, I did an rsync of the remote ~/.ipfs/ into the local ~/.ipfs/
<Swedneck> lidel: might now
<Swedneck> know*
<djdv> svitx: okay this is not a solution proper, but if you have all the blocks synced, maybe you can do this
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<djdv> on the origin, list out your pins, and remove theo nes you don't want from the list
<djdv> on the clone, add the pins back, it should already have the blocks so it should be quick
<djdv> check if there's any issues on the clone, and swap
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<djdv> I'm wondering if there's not some form of corruption around the pinset
<djdv> but to be fair, I'm not super familliar with the pin portion of the project
<svitx> the disk did fill up on me once
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<djdv> I know I did that once myself, and I'm having trouble rememebring if it caused issues
<djdv> and what configuration I used
<djdv> I think it was badger
<djdv> victorbjelkholm: I know our CI's get full a lot, does this often cause problems around pins? svitx is having trouble unpinning some hashes
<svitx> djdv: I took a small subset of the pins to do that, and it's hanging as well.
<svitx> ipfs pin add --progress makes a bit of progress, but then hangs
<svitx> This is with ipfs version 0.4.14 by the way, as I was replicating what was in production
<Swedneck> that's happened to me a bunch of times
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<djdv> remove .ipfs/datastore on the clone and try again
<djdv> svitx^
<djdv> remove only the datastore*
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<djdv> note: that will also knock out filestore and mfs entries as well as the pinset so if you use those you'll have to reconstruct them from the origin
<djdv> if it succeeds, my hunch is that full disks can cause leveldb corruption somewhere/somehow
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<victorbjelkholm> djdv: no, it's the CI workers who get full (tests not cleaning up properly afterwards) while ipfs pins are on a different host
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<svitx> djdv: it stopped pinning at the same spot. It was only able to successfully pin the first one, so I removed the 2nd out of 10, and it was able to proceed to the 3rd, 4th, etc.
<svitx> I get the impression there are some unset timeouts somewhere that prevents it from failing and continuing on
<djdv> this is probably worth filing a ticket, maybe someone else will have better insight on it
<djdv> I'm not really sure what's going on there
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<djdv> svitx: would you mind doing that and possibly providing the repo? or at least the problematic hash
<djdv> not sure how large it is
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<svitx> sure
<svitx> djdv against the github project?
<djdv> svitx: yeah, I'd put it in go-ipfs since we're not sure the source of the issue yet, could be in the datastore or somewhere else
<djdv> thanks!
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<Swedneck> what's a good length for an ipns key?
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<Swedneck> 2048? 4096?
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<djdv> I'm not sure what the standard reccomendations are today but I will say it's gonna depend on the type, (RSA vs ed25519)
<Swedneck> well i usually just go with rsa
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<djdv> 2048 is the default in go-ipfs, probably sensible ;^)
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<Swedneck> hmm, does key length affect how long it takes to publish?
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<lidel> ctOS, check https://www.npmjs.com/package/is-ipfs for URL-based detection. it ensures cid in /ipfs/{cid} is a valid CID, so no false-positives on immutable namespace.
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<lidel> /ipns/ is a tricky beast because it could have fqdn, so you need to do dnslink||cid validation on top of is-ipfs lib
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<lidel> (that is what ipfs-companion does, so there are no false-positives on URLs like https://github.com/ipfs/website or https://google.com/ipns/not-a-fqdn/404)
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<jyrkio> Hi... would you have an idea why 'ipfs swarm connect' complains i/o timeout while a) I can ping the ip address, and b) I can open the port using telnet ?
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<ctOS> lidel: thanks! why isn't window.ipfs available for things loaded over IPFS? could provide something like window.ipfs.ipfs_location for this purpose.
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<lidel> ctOS, not sure if I follow. is window.ipfs missing on your gateway? afaik it requires secure context (so either https or localhost is required)
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<lidel> ctOS, anyway, is-ipfs should do all you need for now. we may add some utilities to next iteration of "window.ipfs", you can follow initial notes at https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion/issues/589 but its kinda different problem space to be honest :)
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<ctOS> lidel: ah, I'm running ipfs on another computer and access it through that (go-ipfs keeps the wifi antenna on my laptop on constantly so it reduces my normal 12-hour battery experience to just shy of two hours.)
<ctOS> I opened an issue for window.ipfs.location. https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion/issues/602
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<lidel> ctOS, are you running go-ipfs with default settings?
<ctOS> lidel: other than binding to the LAN IP and adjusting for CORS, then yes
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<lidel> ctOS, check https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/4137 (--routing=dhtclient alone should improve battery life)
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<ctOS> lidel: I've run it on localhost and complete defaults on my MacBook, and also inside WSL on Windows. both variants caused my fans to go crazy and ran out the device battery in no time. mpeg-encoding level battery consumption.
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<ctOS> I'll admit that running it inside the Windows Subsystem for Linux possibly wasn't the best idea, but it amused me.
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<ctOS> lidel: doesn't that flag make me a passive/consumption only peer?
<lidel> ctOS, it only changes your DHT participation, you will still announce blocks you have.
<lidel> to stop announcing things you "seed" you would have to set: ipfs config Reprovider.Interval "0" (see my comment at https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion/issues/450#issuecomment-381166016)
<lidel> tl;dr is "if your machine is not running 24/7, you should use --routing=dhtclient"
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<lidel> it is actually better for DHT if laptop nodes are only dhtclients
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<lidel> soon-to-be-revamped ipfs-desktop will run with --routing=dhtclient by default :)
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<ctOS> Thanks. I thought switching that off would stop announcing stuff. Do I need to be a dht server for ipns to work? (There is no documentation on IPNS.)
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<lidel> ctOS, everything will work, you will just "stop answering to dht queries for stuff that your node is not hosting" so there will be less traffic and longer battery life
<ctOS> oh, heck. I'll try that then.
<carsonfarmer[m]> lidel: where does that quote come from? docs somewhere? very useful to know
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<lidel> carsonfarmer[m], i just made it up ;)
<carsonfarmer[m]> haha, ok
<lgierth> not just that -- it'll also refuse dht records sent by others
<carsonfarmer[m]> right, that makes sense
<carsonfarmer[m]> so queries for hashes/content you do have will be answered by your peer?
<lgierth> i don't think so
<lgierth> it'll refuse to take part in the dht
<carsonfarmer[m]> ah ok, that's what i thought, cool cool
<carsonfarmer[m]> 👍
<lgierth> with respect to other nodes putting/getting stuff from you
<lidel> carsonfarmer[m], some notes can be found in go-ipfs itself: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3269/files#diff-54f2c4a5481de30b8ccb59ad5b6588b3R124
<lgierth> it can still make queries of its own
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<carsonfarmer[m]> right
<lidel> not sure if it is still an experiment, i think its a regular option now
<carsonfarmer[m]> yeh it is
<carsonfarmer[m]> i mean, no its not an experiment, yeh it is a regular option
<carsonfarmer[m]> some of the docs were a bit ambiguous, but this convo has clarified and confirmed my understanding
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<carsonfarmer[m]> restarts ipfs desktop app in client mode
<lidel> lgierth, so just to be extra clear, content hosted by node running in dhtclient node is still available (if Reprovider.Interval > 0), because your node will ask DHT servers to keep info about it, right?
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<lgierth> that is a good quetion
<shoku> Hey guys, been a while
<lidel> hi shoku :)
<shoku> Still in the Bay?
<lidel> lgierth, carsonfarmer[m] fyi there is a semi-related issue about read-only mode for companion, based on Reprovider.* https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion/issues/507 (there is a cool option to "only announce pinned data")
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<lidel> shoku, distributed, depends who you ask, i'm back in EU ;)
<shoku> Haha cool
<shoku> Been working on Epona
<shoku> New release soon
<shoku> I’ve been away because we also have a small ipfs Discord
<carsonfarmer[m]> lidel: thanks for the link, good discussion there
<shoku> But I’ve been learning Docker and am running a web irc now so I’ll be always on :)
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<lidel> shoku, you missed The Freenode Spam Extravaganza?
<shoku> Like a fish missed water
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<lidel> hah https://freenode.net/news/spamfilter is it still going?
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<ctOS> lidel lgierth: so I nuked .ipfs, set it as dhclient only, and added a unique file. it's been almost an hour and I still can't get that through the public gateways yet.
<ctOS> switched to dht instead of dhtclient and it was accessible in less than a minute.
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<ctOS> lidel lgierth: ok, there the dhtclient-only resources showed up. took 1h58m with dhtclient and 1m with dht. so you can distribute unique content in dhtclient-only mode. it's just slower.
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