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<Noxz>
I want an engine turning lathe :)
<Noxz>
fun stuff
<Noxz>
I had to leave the workshop 4 hrs earlier because my puppy is apiece of shit
<Noxz>
and pissed on another dog at daycare
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<pie_>
Noxz, lol facepalm
<pie_>
pissed on or pissed off
<Noxz>
he pissed ON another dog, twice
<Noxz>
he is almost 9mo, non-nudered
<Noxz>
and somewhat dominant
<Noxz>
obviously
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<nmz787>
Noxz: seems like dogs pissing is a thing daycare should be taking care of :/
<Noxz>
daycare is not training
<Noxz>
daycare is basically play time
<Noxz>
the daycare was someone's house that could look after him, not train him
<Noxz>
it wasnt some corporate thing, in which case they still dont train him but they have people to do various things, such as 'handlers' that litterely just give 1:1 attention to each dog
<Noxz>
which I am sure houses do as well, but likely different in the end, ie, no 10-15min, maybe it is a half hour or whatever, depends on what dude is doing
<nmz787>
ah, so this wasn't expected to be an all-day or most-of-day thing?
<nmz787>
just 15 mins? like so you could go get groceries or something?
<Noxz>
no, it was an all day thing, x2
<Noxz>
just not overnight, but they could have done it as well
<Noxz>
I was at a workshop, learning Engine Turning
<Noxz>
Rose & Straight line
<nmz787>
I guess I was thinking peeing on another dog isn't really training... I guess I'd expect they'd spray the dogs both with a warm water hose, blow dry, and get back to watching TV or whatever the humans there do
<Noxz>
that's basically what they did
<Noxz>
it was on carpet, too
<nmz787>
ah
<Noxz>
then I guess my dude marked the skirt of their bed
<Noxz>
d'oh
<nmz787>
doesn't sound like a great idea for having in a dog daycare :P (carpet)
<nmz787>
dang
<Noxz>
yeah, there's certainly points I wonder what was up
<nmz787>
by engine turning, do you mean those multi-tool machines they make out of recycled engine blocks?
<Noxz>
yeah, there is only one american maker of machines right now, basically
<Noxz>
and he teaches the advanced class ;)
<Noxz>
~10k USD
<Noxz>
for the machine
<Noxz>
20k to be able to do much more
<Noxz>
and the Swiss watch makers are scouping up all the old machines and just putting them in storage so others arent able to practice the craft/art
<sync>
not that expensive overall but I wonder who buys them
<Noxz>
sad, but competition is cmpetition
<Noxz>
engravers, not jsut watchmakers
<Noxz>
you can do much more than make a watch dial
<sync>
yes, but who even does that without a cnc machine now
<nmz787>
your work looks nice :)
<sync>
fanuc and makino now have relatively cheap diamond shapers
<Noxz>
thanks, there was a few goof ups, but I figured out a feel for it
<Noxz>
sync, you are trying to take the person out of the work ;)
<sync>
that will do sub nanometer resolution
<sync>
of course
<sync>
it is 2017
<Noxz>
okay, but people who like high end stuff like handmade items
<Noxz>
using traditional tools
<sync>
there is no need for a person to make stuff like that
<Noxz>
need??
<Noxz>
it's art
<Noxz>
it has zero function
<Noxz>
but to please the eyeballs
<sync>
yes, hence it is ok if it dies out
<Noxz>
well, there is interest, but it isnt much
<Noxz>
sorta like there is only 5 watchmaker schools in the US (mor or less)
<sync>
a cnc machined dial can also please the eye
<Noxz>
dying out
<sync>
it will look exactly the same
<Noxz>
bah
<Noxz>
you could also cast it
<Noxz>
infact, eventually they were able to make dies for it
<Noxz>
one master engraved, then just stamp them out
<sync>
well, obviously, that is how holograms are made
<sync>
you use a cnc engraving machine to produce steps at the desired color and then just machine a master
<sync>
and emboss or cast from the master
<sync>
which is the intended application of the diamond shaping machines
<Noxz>
so you need a computer to make a watch?!?
<Noxz>
this was zero eletricity, hand operated
<Noxz>
old swiss machines
<Noxz>
powered by cranking up a weight
<sync>
yes, you need a computer
<Noxz>
bah
<Noxz>
;)
<sync>
so what
<Noxz>
okay, remember you are also talking to someone who wants to build his own SEM for the purpose of looking at tiny watch parts
<Noxz>
why not just use a microscope?!?
<Noxz>
;)
<sync>
all actual watchmaking companies here use cnc machined parts
<sync>
to keep up with the demand
<Noxz>
there is an escence of handmade from scratch vs computer asisted
<sync>
and just make handmade stuff for marketing wank
<Noxz>
"all"
<sync>
yes, all.
<Noxz>
so, that guy, rw smith, uses cnc on one part
<Noxz>
from what I understan
<Noxz>
his timepieces sell for I think a min of 20k
<Noxz>
gbp
<Noxz>
a few handfuls of them a year (he has a few in his staff that help)
<Noxz>
but completely from scratch
<Noxz>
the only point I remember him saying he uses CNC is for machining the border for the crystal (the glass face) for a perfect water tight seal
<Noxz>
accuracy is worth it in some cases
<Noxz>
but, really, you arent buying a modern mechanical watch for it's praticality
<Noxz>
because it isnt
<Noxz>
it cant compete with quartz
<Noxz>
you can have high end quartz watches too, with handmade gears, or rather highly precise ones
<Noxz>
when demand is high, you raise your price, and add a waiting list
<Noxz>
economics right there
<Noxz>
anywho
<Noxz>
back to work ;)
<sync>
I do own a few mechanical watches but I don't get the hype
<Noxz>
hype?!?
<Noxz>
there's hype?
<Noxz>
there is a resurgence, yes
<Noxz>
but it's just thre bound from the quartz era
<Noxz>
now it's the smart watch era
<sync>
well, the resurgance is the hype
<Noxz>
I dont think it is hype though
<sync>
my phone never looses its time
<Noxz>
you dont buy a mechanical watch to be 100% accurate forever
<Noxz>
also I cant ttrp my phone to my wrist and make it look good
<Noxz>
strap
<sync>
so what do I buy it for if it does not tell me the accurate time at all times
<Noxz>
would you believe status symbol?
<Noxz>
like, I have a 'fuck you' watch
<Noxz>
a handful made every year, fairly limited
<Noxz>
anyways, I gotta work..
<nmz787>
sync: to be honest, my phone and PC do sometimes show really wacky times... until I open the Time/Clock GUI, uncheck "sync from internet" then re-check it
<sync>
never happened to me
<sync>
ntp has been reliable for me
<nmz787>
happened just last week
<sync>
Noxz: but that is the issue with it and also why I don't get them, I don't change my opinion or actions based on how much money someone spent on something
<sync>
same with cars, what good does it do if it looks nice or is expensive when it cannot deliver
<Noxz>
it does deliver, just not what you want
<Noxz>
it's jewelry
<Noxz>
somewhat functional
<Noxz>
but limited
<sync>
if its primary function is looks it does not deliver
<Noxz>
opinion which is highly objected
<Noxz>
gold looks better than plastic, yeah?
<sync>
no, waste of a precious metal that could go into something with an actual function
<Noxz>
you think plastic looks better than gold?
<Noxz>
you have strange tastes, sir
<Noxz>
k, I actually gotta work, took yesterday off for the workshop
<sync>
I could care less how it looks, if it is supposed to look golden one can always deposit TiN on it
<sync>
same reason why I run steelies on some of my cars, most alloy wheels are heavier than the steel ones, thus provide no performance benefit outside from better brake cooling
<sync>
but that can be solved by other measures
<nmz787>
wait, I thought most alloys were lighter than steel
<nmz787>
maybe that's just aluminum?
<nmz787>
do they make Al wheels?
<sync>
most "alloy" wheels are mostly Al
<sync>
some, more expensive ones are Mg alloys
<sync>
and those are actually lighter than steel wheels
<sync>
it is a tradeoff
<nmz787>
ah, "Mag" wheels
<sync>
light wheels are not strong enough to be curbed or to be run through potholes
<nmz787>
I say the same thing about gold jewelry and using it as currency... seems a lot more valuable for putting to utility purpose