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azonenberg>
when B0101 comes back tell her yes, i've considered it
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azonenberg>
but have not done any experimental work yet
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Sync>
= 03:00:20 < azonenberg> when B0101 comes back tell her yes, i've considered it
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Sync>
= 03:00:24 < azonenberg> but have not done any experimental work yet
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azonenberg>
My reading indicates that the OH- is what etches Si
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azonenberg>
TMAH is simply a less volatile and metal-free OH- source than NH3OH
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azonenberg>
a reflux condenser should reduce evaporation
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azonenberg>
and it's not a contact toxin like TMAH is
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azonenberg>
By the same token ammonia at a suitable concentration should be usable as a photoresist developer
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Sync>
I have to ask about the process we use
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azonenberg>
Most people doing metal-free Si etching and PR developing use TMAH
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azonenberg>
but we're hoping to find something less toxic for amateur use
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Sync>
I'll ask my prof what he'd do
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drygol>
hmm isnt ammonium hydroxide to weak for Si etching ? I mean sodium or potassium hydroxide is waaaay stronger.
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drygol>
hmm i think i could run few tests with it
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azonenberg>
drygol: I would not use ammonia for through-wafer etch, it'd take forever
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azonenberg>
but if you just wanted to put alignment marks in something
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azonenberg>
or use it to develop photoresist
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azonenberg>
it should do the job
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drygol>
oh , got it
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azonenberg>
For a deep etch i'd go with TMAH if you needed to be CMOS compatible
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azonenberg>
and KOH otherwise
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drygol>
i am not an expert , but still ammonium hydroxied is 32% max if i remember correctly , would it be enough ?
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azonenberg>
I don't know what the equivalent OH- concentration is vs KOH
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drygol>
very strong
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azonenberg>
KOH etching at higher concentrations gives smoother surfaces but even 10% (i think it was w/v) gives good results
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drygol>
oooh now i got it
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azonenberg>
if you dont mind some roughness
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drygol>
all the time you are talking about solution of KOH , not melted KOH
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azonenberg>
Lol, yes
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drygol>
thx for the link , ill go through it in a minute :)
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azonenberg>
Low-concentration ammonia seems to be somewhat safer especially if used in a hood
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azonenberg>
I mean it's still in the "try not to get it on you" category but not in the "kills you on contact" category :P
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Sync>
my ozone cleaner is pretty hardcore at making my flat oxidize my nostrils
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azonenberg>
I was under the impression that's a bad thing?
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Sync>
yes but it is not too bad
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Sync>
but I was amazed how fast it could produce such lots of ozone
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Sync>
then again ozone is used to desmell public bathrooms in large quantities
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Sync>
so it cannot be all that bad
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azonenberg>
by oxidizing all of the VOCs?
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azonenberg>
interesting
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Sync>
so some people think the smell of ozone is "fresh"
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azonenberg>
I think of it as "left a strong UV source on too long without ventilation" :p
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Sync>
well I have extensive experience with ozone from the teslacoils I built in the past
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B0101>
Hmm, I wonder if I can ionize all the air in a cleanbox using electrically charged plates and filter all the dust
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azonenberg>
I would just use a HEPA filter
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azonenberg>
but thats me
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B0101>
If I could remove the dust from the air, I might be able to replicate Czochralski process of growing silicon
* B0101
thinks that she is crazy...
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Sync>
I'd use the silane process for small scale Si growing
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azonenberg>
SiH4 isn't the most friendly substance to have around a home lab though
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azonenberg>
i try to avoid pyrophoric materials
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Sync>
better than phosphine
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Sync>
and it is easy to work with
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lekernel>
growing silicon is boring. what about non linear optical crystals? :)
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Sync>
azonenberg: do you have resources on using pmma as a photoresist?
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Sync>
my prof had not heard about that
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Sync>
drygol: it seems that everyone of them works
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drygol>
oh good to know , so it pretty much doesn't matter which hydroxide of mentioned you choose , only concentration matters
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Sync>
well the concentration only speeds things up from what he said
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azonenberg>
Sync: actually lower concentrations of OH- are faster up to a point
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azonenberg>
but lead to rougher etches
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azonenberg>
read the paper i linked above
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azonenberg>
and pmma is used as an e-beam resist
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azonenberg>
i have not looked into the details of it
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Sync>
yeah I did at work
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Sync>
it seems to work fine
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Sync>
you can also use deep UV
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azonenberg>
You can use DUV to expose PMMA? Interesting
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azonenberg>
Are we talking like 220nm wavelength or 15nm?