<jamezz>
damn , i wasnt looking woulda said to mofoso2 that he just started
<jamezz>
isnt there a backup for solo of weeks?
<jamezz>
fuck , i fucked off 230k UW of astroids and 130k of seti/seti beta and i didnt care
<jamezz>
dissapointed , but life goes on
<jamezz>
i had it setup wrong , and srs the shit needs to be re - written.. customminer iuno if you can do something about that , but i have lots of input
<jamezz>
sure others do too...
<jamezz>
dunno how to sugjest that for conf call saturday
<jamezz>
but , i think get more participants... i see many come here for help and get discurraged like mofoso... and i msged you about that , and there was just a prime example..
<jamezz>
:)
<jamezz>
anyways
<jamezz>
2 how-to's 1 for solo and 1 for pool just re-write simplified... linux/win/android
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<customminer>
jamezz: Difficult though, pool and solo are entirely different setup
<GRCB0T>
(help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
<fediverse>
I'm a helpful bot for the gentle Gridcoin people. Type '!help fediverse' to get my command list.
<fediverse>
(info: try also my commands: !usd or !eur)
<apc>
talking about revising the website, a lot of the problems I've run in to is stuff like this - terminology. most of this seems to assume that the reader is already familiar with crypto stuff. I am not in the least.
<apc>
well, maybe the least
<apc>
a few days worth of dabbling
<Mercosity>
!stats
<fediverse>
your next staked block will get you: 2 GRC (research owed)
<jamezz>
i got a buncha ppl from irc that say that
<jamezz>
lol
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<xXUnRealXx>
they are not they will be back up in about a week. I only run 2 projects at a time trying to see my best fit still takes a while this is so far my bast fit all cpu on cpu project and gpu on gpu too many projects dosent help
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<Peppernrino>
whoami
<Peppernrino>
!whoami
<GRCB0T>
I don't recognize you. You can message me either of these two commands: "user identify <username> <password>" to log in or "user register <username> <password>" to register.
<Peppernrino>
!whoami
<GRCB0T>
Peppernrino
<Peppernrino>
hi bb
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<Peppernrino>
!eightball love
<GRCB0T>
About as likely as pigs flying.
<fediverse>
yes - definitely
<Peppernrino>
lol
<Peppernrino>
cool. got the bot to log in with +RZi. :D
<Peppernrino>
i think i got the downstairs computer working too. just used default install nvidia-current, and install boinc-lient boinc-manger
<Peppernrino>
at least it works :P
<Peppernrino>
no work units for gpugrid... guess i'll add einstein for shits and giggles
* Peppernrino
smokes some hash
<Peppernrino>
yum
<Peppernrino>
having trouble maintaining connectivity on the wifi.
<Peppernrino>
is there some polling option i can ramp up on linux?
<Peppernrino>
i changed the MTU to 1500 instead of automatic. this might help.
* Peppernrino
crosses fingers
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<SvartH>
hi guys
<Peppernrino>
:D
<SvartH>
is ETH and ETC a large pump n dump ? looks too good to be true...
<YugoEliatrop>
sweet, got my linux box to automaticly update from git and restart :)
<Mercosity>
Jeez, I'm dropping but Neuralminer still at the top!! Gridcoin team still doing a great job!!
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<Erkan_Yilmaz>
go, team Gridcoin :-)
<Musicman9566>
:-) Looking for help to get Gridcoin working, I'm so close but keep running into newie challenges
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
how do you know you are close ?
<Mercosity>
Ask zee
<Mercosity>
question
<Musicman9566>
I have one project that seems to be working properly but one that just won't sync
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
sync where ?
<Musicman9566>
I can't get "gridcoin.pool" to appear under my acct heading
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
you have added the pool via account manager in boinc ?
<Musicman9566>
It is still my own login name, I went through the set up steps 3 different time looking for a step that I have missed. There has to be something I'm overlooking
<Musicman9566>
Yes
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
you removed the project always, i assume ?
<Musicman9566>
Yes
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
did you exit boinc and restart also ? to see that it is gone after restart
<Mercosity>
sync with gridcoin pool
<Musicman9566>
I can't say for sure if I did a restart but I did sync with gridpool
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
if the old project is not really gone, syncing won't help you
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
because it exists, so the pool wouldn't create it new
<Musicman9566>
Gridcoin does show up under Team heading
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
and in general my view on the pool:
<fediverse>
- it's easier for newcomers to get started, e.g. you get faster GRC this way (instead of longer waiting time for solo mining)
<fediverse>
- disadvantages: 5% fee; your BOINC work is attributed to the pool, not under your name; you can't vote in Gridcoin polls
<GRCB0T>
Title: GridCoin.co Pool (beta) (at pool.gridcoin.co)
<Musicman9566>
That's what I'm trying to get connected with but I'm not getting it to appear under my Account Heading
<Musicman9566>
I prefer pool mining as a newbie
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
make a screenshot please: 1. of the working one you said
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
2. of the one you said not working
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
put it on imgur or something
<Mercosity>
if your acc is in your name you are solo on that project. You will have to remove the project from BOINC Man completely. Go to Gridcoin.co pool find mc and attach project there and sync with pool. Pool should then come up instead of your name. I also had this problem and this solved it.
<Musicman9566>
Mercosity I think I went through those steps but I will try again
<Mercosity>
Click on project and click remove. You won't lose the work you did you'll still get it.
<Mercosity>
solo
<Musicman9566>
Erkan_Yilmaz not sure of imgur, still learning
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
take your time
<Musicman9566>
Mercosity I'll give it a try once more
<Mercosity>
Don't fret I'm a newb too and I got all my help here. Patience and go through all the steps and you'll get there.
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<Musicman9566>
I removed the project from Boinc Mgr., went to GridCoin.co Pool (Beta) and found the project was still in the list of chosen projects. Do I detach and reattach or remove completely there also
<Mercosity>
Getting the wallet to work can be more of a problem. If it RAINS here and you get GRC and you send them to your wallet and it recieves its great.
<Mercosity>
You should not have to detach and reattach just go back to BOINC man and sync with pool now & problem should be solved!?
<Musicman9566>
I was able to see the work already, I was on here working through the same issue when it rained on us.
<Mercosity>
Is it showing your host in pool?
<Mercosity>
cpd I mean
<Mercosity>
cpid host!!
<Mercosity>
Joy!!
<Musicman9566>
There is a Host CPID address in the box, don't think it is the same address that comes up when I click on receive coins in the wallet
<Musicman9566>
When I detached, the project disappeared but it is gone from the drop down list. Is there a way to enter manually?
<Musicman9566>
Or do I go back and enter it in Boinc Mgr.
<Mercosity>
Ok that might be the problem - If thats the case we might need more help from the others! If it's not in the drop list on the pool then you can't add as far as I know and you have to go solo on that project. I'm going solo on yafu for that reason as it's not in the pool. What's thr project?
<Mercosity>
the not thr
<Musicman9566>
LHC@home
<Mercosity>
Checking
<fkinglag>
good morning GRC world
<fediverse>
morning, I hear 3 birds already. Do you know what's happening with DistributedDataMining ?
<fediverse>
(info: try also my commands: !usd or !eur)
<fediverse>
fkinglag I like those beautiful fingers of yours that typed that rain-command
* fkinglag
coffees and donuts
<fkinglag>
fediverse lewd
<Musicman9566>
Thank you tipper
<Mercosity>
LHC@home classic is in the drop down list so attach it in the pool and then sync to pool in BOINC man.
<pine_cone>
thx fkinglag :D
<Mercosity>
Tanks!! tipper
<Musicman9566>
Ok, will do
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
may you swim in coffee and donuts forever, fkinglag
<Mercosity>
Joy?
<Musicman9566>
Ok, the project is added. Account Heading= Musicman9566 Team=Gridcoin as of now. Should I sync now or go to the pool first?
<Emptybeerbottle>
Thanks \/
<Mercosity>
Try syncing to pool
<Musicman9566>
ok
<Musicman9566>
Sync'd now, going to the pool
<Mercosity>
Does it show gridcoin pool under acc
<Mercosity>
Joy?
<Mercosity>
I hope this isn't the blind leading the blind!!
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<coinictus>
woof
<fkinglag>
meow
<Mercosity>
¦-)
* fkinglag
sneezes on Zach_S
<Musicman9566>
No, restarted Boinc Mgr., sync'd, reattached project in the pool with same results. There must be something that I'm missing just not experienced enough to find it
<Musicman9566>
Sometimes even if it is 2 blind guys it's good to have company
<Mercosity>
I know the feeling of complete frustration. Maybe the idea of taking a screen shot of BOINC man might not be a bad idea. Try imgur always agood idea to have that facility in times of crisis.
<Mercosity>
agood? Fool!
<Mercosity>
Ok had abrain wave - try this: go to tools
<Mercosity>
click stop using pool
<fkinglag>
Musicman9566 we are the blind leading the blind
<vega40k>
otc
<Mercosity>
when you go back it will show acc manager choice in tools
<vega40k>
hello everybody
<vega40k>
°°
<Mercosity>
the cut and paste url of pool into account manager instead of BAM or the others and okay it. Then sync again I think this might work!!
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<Mercosity>
then not the - getting excited!!
<Mercosity>
Greeting and Salutations!!
* fkinglag
hands vega40k coffee and donuts
<vega40k>
ty ty
<vega40k>
less donuts more coffee
<fkinglag>
yeah, no kidding >_>
<fkinglag>
coffee = breakfast
<Mercosity>
My tea is cold!!
<brewsmithy>
Hi Musicman9566 you still here?
<Mercosity>
He's busy tearing his hair out I think!!
<Musicman9566>
Yes, still working on the same issue. Had to step away for a second.
<Mercosity>
Vape Smoke gets in your eyes.
<Musicman9566>
Sorry, have to leave for a while but will be back. I'm too close to making this work with all of your help to give up now. Thanks Mercosity for your help and brewsmithy too
<Mercosity>
Musicman9566 Did you try what I suggested?
<Musicman9566>
Not yet but I will before I return.
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<Mercosity>
To be continued?
<brewsmithy>
Musicman9566 LHC@home is functional through the pool - You will be able to use the pool to run LHC@home - If, in your boinc manager, under Projects - LHC@home is showing Musicman under Account - first - Click LHC@home ( in boinc manager ) - Click "no new tasks" ( on the left) - then click " Reset project " - then click - " Remove " and LHC
<brewsmithy>
@home with Account Musicman ----- should vanish .. . . . yes?
<brewsmithy>
Ok Musicman will wait for your return
* brewsmithy
shrugs, looks around the room, waves hello to everyone . . .
<Mercosity>
With all that help he'll get it sorted.
<brewsmithy>
the pool is 'tricky' when you havent set it up and got it running - after the tricky wallet - after the tricky boinc . . . so many options and things to chase down
* fkinglag
waves back
<brewsmithy>
Katiee is our pool goddess but she is so distant, so hidden, so not here so much any more . . .
<brewsmithy>
We need a good video step by step guide to the pool, including the various failure conditions, its easy to get in a failure mode there, and with boinc, and with the wallet
* fkinglag
boops Katiee
* brewsmithy
runs around waving a banner and yelling - Katiee Katiee Katiee Katiee . . . .
<Mercosity>
I know, I went from solo on all my projects to pool on some and I got myself in a mess too. I know how frustrating it is. I only hope I got it right in the end!!
* brewsmithy
gets out the camera for future potential sales through Peppernrino for adult entertainment . . go fkinglag gooooooooo
<GRCB0T>
Title: 10 Hours of Pirates of the Caribbean Music HQ - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
<brewsmithy>
ARG!
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<Peppernrino>
i should just say fuck it and run some long cables. :P
<brewsmithy>
wireless is for the lazy - myself included
<Peppernrino>
i have a laptop upstairs and a comp in my room.
<Peppernrino>
i could move them all to the BOINC room... now that i know i'm not burning 2000W out of any one socket. :)
<Peppernrino>
tried to distribute everything around the house a little...
<Peppernrino>
but wifi is a nightmare. won't stay on for a whole day.
<Peppernrino>
!turn me on
<Peppernrino>
!keep me going
<Emptybeerbottle>
!balance
<GRCB0T>
please use '/msg GRCtip balance'. Use 'withdraw <yourGRCwalletaddress>' to withdraw your entire balance to your wallet for a fee of 0.02 GRC. Tipbot commands are !rain, !rainactive, and !tip.
<Peppernrino>
"On Debian and Ubuntu, the OpenCL and CUDA libraries do not get installed with the video driver. They have to be installed separately. I can't speak for other distros but that's probably the case for them as well."
<Peppernrino>
what?
<Peppernrino>
what a raw deal lol
<Peppernrino>
i'm totally gonna have to reinstall if that's the case. i won't even bother with the video drivers. :)
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
NeuralMiner indeed
<Peppernrino>
new team challenge: cure cancer.
<Peppernrino>
only mapping cancer markers wu's allowed.
<Mercosity>
Can anyone point me towards cheap - possibly 2nd user- vid cards and PCI-E x4 riser extension cables I can add to my server. Thought I might heat the room up a bit more by running up to 6 GPUs externally.
<Peppernrino>
950's.
<Peppernrino>
$150 a pop
<Peppernrino>
sick power
<Chick3nman>
expensive af
<Chick3nman>
buy used
<Chick3nman>
970s are 175$
<Mercosity>
Might as well go the whole hog and burn the place down! but it has to be cheep cheep!
<Peppernrino>
your dad was expensive
<Chick3nman>
if power is an issue, there is an Asus 960 that runs on pure 75W PCI-e power
<Chick3nman>
if not, buy used GPUS and grab a bunch of 970s for <200$ each
<Chick3nman>
or go nuts and buy some titan-x's for <400$ each
<Chick3nman>
i almost bought two more the other day for 390$ each
<Peppernrino>
i need to start working again.
<Chick3nman>
yup
<Chick3nman>
me too
<Chick3nman>
id have so many GPUs right now if i had more income
<Peppernrino>
i think i'm gonna try and start a pentesting company.
<Mercosity>
Money Money! I need dirt cheep! Where I am GPUs cost an arm and a leg.
<Peppernrino>
the plan was to add a gpu a month.
<Chick3nman>
ok
<Peppernrino>
tell me how well that's going.
<Chick3nman>
so
<Chick3nman>
what kind of cheap
<Peppernrino>
8400's are $25
<Peppernrino>
lol
<Chick3nman>
lol
<Chick3nman>
5970's are 50$
<Peppernrino>
oh wow
<Chick3nman>
and they push a hell of a lot of power
<Chick3nman>
i have 2
<Chick3nman>
:P
<Peppernrino>
that's actually decent
<Chick3nman>
ik
<Peppernrino>
i ahve a 5770 and i like it
<Chick3nman>
cool
<Peppernrino>
the 5670's leave something to be desired
<Chick3nman>
the 5970 is a holy grail of processing but unless you get the super rare special editions, its 1gb of VRAM per GPU
<Chick3nman>
so
<Peppernrino>
had weird artifacting and stuff during video playback
<Chick3nman>
not much can be done with that
<Chick3nman>
yeah all the older VLIW cards were kinda funky
<brewsmithy>
Mercosity do the rounds to the donation stores ( salvation army etc ) you might get lucky
<Chick3nman>
the 5/6/7XXX card series would all artifact under high heat or high stress
<Chick3nman>
i check goodwill a lot :P
<Peppernrino>
pretty happy wiht the 270
<Chick3nman>
and craigslist for people sellings stuff they dont know about
<Peppernrino>
have it running 100% with the app_config, and it plays everything fine
<brewsmithy>
Chick3nman craiglist, good idea
<Peppernrino>
truth be told, you can tell when it's off...
<GRCB0T>
Title: [USA-KS] [H] Two MSI Radeon HD 7950 Twin Frozr 3GD5/OC, ASRock MB-970EX4, Kingston Hyper X Blu 4 GB 1600MHz DDR3 [W] Paypal : hardwareswap (at www.reddit.com)
<Chick3nman>
this isnt a bad price
<Chick3nman>
might be able to talk him down to like 85-90$ per GPU
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<Erkan_Yilmaz>
customminer: about (1): writing? like what ? you mean summaries of the threads? (1) Anyone writing up content for saturday's call? Or is everyone going to wing it? :P
<customminer>
like content for saturday's call
<brewsmithy>
anyone run atlas@home with any success?
<customminer>
I'm rewriting my entire stance on the team requirement
* Erkan_Yilmaz
thought an audio call is for that, to speak about something
<customminer>
yeah, but idk.. good to have footnotes :D
* brewsmithy
points out having notes of valuable topic material generally provides an environment which promotes well thought out dialog
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
my original plan was: to read some of the old threads and for some just listen what will be old by others
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
told
<customminer>
I've posted an invitation to join the conference call in the 4th gen boinc credit thread, hopefully one or two from the thread will show up (unlikely lol)
* brewsmithy
rephrases - having notes makes better meetings
* customminer
concurs
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
notes or not, there won't be outcomes from the meeting anways, perhaps that a few people try Gridcoin. For serious stuff will be polls afterwards
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
but the audio call is good for: getting hints of sockpuppet accounts
<customminer>
you say this.. but you never know.. it likely will influence polls
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
sock puppets won't all join the call
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
the first meeting will very likely be confuse
<customminer>
& full of anxiety
<customminer>
lol
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
except you do strict modertaion, like timing topics for 5 mins or so, which itself would "hurt"
<customminer>
Idk if we should strictly moderate it, the 1hr time was a very rough estimate - it likely will last longer
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
well, if it gets too deep in context we lose chance of newcomers going away again
<customminer>
yeah true
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
probably doing the easy stuff at first, the stuff for newcomers and the deeper things later on
<customminer>
Think we should bother with introductions? Or just have them as new users speak up?
* Erkan_Yilmaz
assumed the call is anyways for grabbing people from beyondbitcoin
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
since it's organized on "their platform"
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<customminer>
It is somewhat for introducing the beyondbitcoin community to gridcoin, so I'm probably going to talk about our integration with bitshares first then let chris talk about Blockpay then we can get down to talking in depth about gridcoin topics.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
it'd be good to post what you just said also on the thread
<brewsmithy>
post an agenda possibly, or you may have already, i havent looked yet
<customminer>
I shall do, it's currently still open to suggestions from the community.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
Intros: I think a few people should do, but not many. People can come later on to irc or so and get to know people they are interested in
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
also, no one could prove when I say I am Angela Merkel in the call
<customminer>
true
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
you should also tell clearly, when questions are allowed
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
e.g. after each topic
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
or even during the topics
<customminer>
Probably during, I'm hopefully not going to be doing 100% of the talking :P
<brewsmithy>
we need a hot woman's voice as the host, sex sells, just saying
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
well, I though the oldtimers or th eones posting a lot in the threads, like you, NeuralMiner
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
do much :-)
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
if others talk they might not grasp the whole context
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<Mercosity>
The last thing you want is a cacophony of voices, control is the important thing. Found a new Quadro NVS 295 for sale for €20.00 any use?
<Musicman9566>
Hello community, I'm still trying to get setup, brewsmithy helped me yesterday to get one project working but when I attempted to add others (2) I came up with the same result of showing myself as the solo miner when I'm trying to hook up with the pool. I thought I followed the step-by-step instructions but still am showing my name under the Accoun
<Musicman9566>
t heading.
<Mercosity>
He's back!?
<Musicman9566>
:-)
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
welcome back
<Musicman9566>
Thanks, there is too much intelligence and experience here for me to throw in the towel
<brewsmithy>
Musicman9566 LHC@home is functional through the pool - You will be able to use the pool to run LHC@home - If, in your boinc manager, under Projects - LHC@home is showing Musicman under Account - first - Click LHC@home ( in boinc manager ) - Click "no new tasks" ( on the left) - then click " Reset project " - then click - " Remove " and LHC
<brewsmithy>
@home with Account Musicman ----- should vanish .. . . . yes?
<Musicman9566>
Hi brewsmithy, I'll give that a try
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<brewsmithy>
and anyone else who wants to join in to help, please do, Katiee where are you???
<Mercosity>
Already read your spot and very informative. I suppose I'm looking for short cuts - My server two Xeon 5335 processors but only an Sapphire 7300 in PCI slot. Thats why I'm seriously investigating external GPUs on 6 PCI-E x4 slots.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
vega40k I added the cpids from people I recognized from their irc names
<Gunde>
cute Pepp
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
brewsmithy: let me look at 2042c089317268e3fca0e6451834d9c1
<vega40k>
but if somebody change his nick , this not works ?
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
vega40k if someone changes nick, then he can always use just "!cpid value"
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
if the perosn wants his cpid protected he can tell me and !stats doesn't show his cpid
<brewsmithy>
ok break time, bblb
<vega40k>
:-)
<Mercosity>
ZZZZ!!?
<Emptybeerbottle>
!balance
<GRCB0T>
please use '/msg GRCtip balance'. Use 'withdraw <yourGRCwalletaddress>' to withdraw your entire balance to your wallet for a fee of 0.02 GRC. Tipbot commands are !rain, !rainactive, and !tip.
<Emptybeerbottle>
!stats
<fediverse>
user not found: Emptybeerbottle (until Erkan_Yilmaz adds your CPID, you can also use '!cpid someCPIDhere')
<Emptybeerbottle>
Wait
<Emptybeerbottle>
Wrong channel again
<Emptybeerbottle>
Goddamn
<Yoduza>
kk
<vega40k>
Mercosity: . boinc/grc is like addiction
<Mercosity>
Not like! It is!!
<Mercosity>
Anyway, ot much to do here out in the boondocks!
<GRCB0T>
Title: Gridcoin Adventure : Get Gridcoin added to ShapeShift (at gridcoins.blogspot.co.uk)
<customminer>
after coinomi integration we'll possibly be more successful
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<Mercosity>
Just sent shapeshift amessage.
<Mercosity>
Fingers, Bah! Overated as tools!
<Mercosity>
What happened to GRCidle?
<Mercosity>
Time here 20:17
<Mercosity>
Are we there yet!?
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
!8ball Are we there yet!?
<fediverse>
my reply is no
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<Erkan_Yilmaz>
thx for sending the msg to SS, Mercosity
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<Mercosity>
GridcoinFan!
<Mercosity>
Why are every one of my msgs followed by a ! ?
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<Musicman9566>
If I have more than one computer at the same location is it best to run several projects on each or dedicate a single job to one CPU? And can I use the same wallet?
<NeuralMiner>
customminer, any news on the founder for atlas? looks like it kicks over tomorrow.
<Mercosity>
I know you can use the same wallet, but the other question I don't know the answer. I'd like to though.
<Gunde>
One or more project should not make any changes, but some project may not for good to run at same time as others
<Gunde>
singel are good to get it effective
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: negative, I contacted Rob, he couldn't find an email from them & I suggested he checks the team founder settings
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: Can you still see on the atlas website the change?
<NeuralMiner>
yeah. still says deferred, and notes the request: Founder change has already been requested by Robert Rizzotto on 29 May 2016.
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<NeuralMiner>
also, sent a message to shapeshift for gridcoin. that'd be awesome if it were integrated.
<Gunde>
New team founder? "Robert Rizzotto"?
<Gunde>
who is this guy?
<NeuralMiner>
no idea. he's requested to take over founder of atlas.
<Musicman9566>
So more than a couple of projects on the same CPU has a negative effect on the efficiency?
<Gunde>
i see
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<customminer>
Gunde: Potentially an attacker. We'll see what happens..
<Gunde>
Musicman9566: might get to low rac, but other then that it only do to get those working together, task might be suspended and they will share cputime and ram. If they got suspended to many time or get out of ram they will take longer time if they fall back to last checkpoint. And if they fail to do so they might get invalid.
<Gunde>
Should send a request to boincwideteam combine all team:ids. And if someone trying to create a team under our name to a new project the boinc wideteam system will kick and we will be the founder. Could also ask to lock it for new request to be founder.
<GRCB0T>
Title: BOINC-wide teams (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
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<customminer>
Will that mess with the neural network though if all project teamids sync to the one id?
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<Gunde>
as i understand they just add the id:s to this boinc-wideteam owner.
<Gunde>
I have an old account at thata website if we want to lab, it was for an old team i have put down.
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<shovel_boss>
join #CryptoTA for coin prices debate and discussion, no pump and dump, pure speculation and strategies, technical analysis and fundamental market analysis, discussion about bots and development is also welcome bot not that common #CryptoTA
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<Erkan_Yilmaz>
shovel_boss you are invited to talk also here in regards to Gridcoin
* Erkan_Yilmaz
has seen how shovel_boss posted that in lots of coin channels recently, not only Gridcoin's
<shovel_boss>
thank you Erkan_Yilmaz ill talk when i have anything to say but in the meantime ill just idle and leave
<shovel_boss>
then*
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<GRCtip>
Terravale, mnk, Shingles, AJG, Ohanz33, zerolint, CptFlashbang, varesa, Yoduza, alfabit, Hooker63! Type "/msg GRCtip help" for info.
<Gunde>
wow
<Emptybeerbottle>
Thanks customminer \o/.
<vega40k>
ty
<PenumbraDuFromag>
Hay now
<fkinglag>
\o/
<shovel_boss>
#cryptoTA
<moisesm123>
ty!
<PenumbraDuFromag>
thanks!
<jamezz>
thanks brotha
<shovel_boss>
!balance
<GRCB0T>
please use '/msg GRCtip balance'. Use 'withdraw <yourGRCwalletaddress>' to withdraw your entire balance to your wallet for a fee of 0.02 GRC. Tipbot commands are !rain, !rainactive, and !tip.
<SudoNull->
ty customminer
<teslax>
every day some rain .
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<shovel_boss>
ty
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<jamezz>
i need figure out why , but my 4 x 2cpu google cloud vps
<jamezz>
last night dropped to 1 cpu each
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
merci customminer and teslax wishing you a nice Thursday evening :-) how are things today ?
<Sander96>
woo
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
I think customminer wanted also to post to all who are awake now a certain invitation ;-)
<NeuralMiner>
got a reply from shapeshift: "our dev team adds new coins on a rolling basis, but i'll put it on our 'coins to add' list and they'll make the decision from there."
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: That's their go-to canned response : /
<fediverse>
user not found: Asp (Contact Erkan_Yilmaz to get your CPID included. Until then: you can also use '!cpid someCPIDhere', but that cpid gets then known by others)
<Gunde>
Will be interesting if get the Pascal support before challange start, and if they have enough wu:s those days. It could be a problem i hope not.
<customminer>
hopefully we can crush the WCG challenge
<NeuralMiner>
i think we can. especially if HeyMerlin joins in.
<jamezz>
so , after a challange has started can you not attach to the project?
<NeuralMiner>
you can attach at any time.
<jamezz>
herm
<jamezz>
its not in the drop down
<NeuralMiner>
which one?
<jamezz>
pool.gridcoin.co
<NeuralMiner>
which project
<jamezz>
i think when people try to answer a question , and dont know the question its even less helpful than someone ignoring. Why answer a quetison , and this is starting to be a big problem I keep seeing here.. I understand its international , people are global and language may not translate to english 100% but , wtf is the point in acting like you know the answer if you dont even know the question... You people are fun to chat with but as helpful as wiki.
<NeuralMiner>
.... you have to tell us which project you dont see in the dropdown for us to tell you why.
<Peppernrino>
lol. this guy.
<Gunde>
Pool is not supported to WCG jamezz
<Peppernrino>
^
<customminer>
lol jamezz chill
<customminer>
you'll have to manually add WCG via the boinc manager, you may not be rewarded unless you go solo for this individual project
<customminer>
may not -> will not*
<Peppernrino>
*won't
<Peppernrino>
whatever. he can't see me. :P
<Peppernrino>
...WCG challenge? i'm in.
<Gunde>
jamezz ignore us
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<lestus>
heya
<Gunde>
Hi
<Peppernrino>
hi
<fediverse>
moin, I need another coffee, how about black coffee? Do you know what's happening with ATLAS@Home ?
<customminer>
hey lestus
<lestus>
what's happenning?
<Peppernrino>
stuff
<Peppernrino>
so much stuff
<NeuralMiner>
interesting to hear what people have to say on saturday about the 4th gen credit system
<Peppernrino>
i'm gonna try to be there
<Peppernrino>
make a steemit account later
<Peppernrino>
orw whatever
<lestus>
i got steemit :)
<customminer>
cool :)
<Peppernrino>
if i do show up, i'll try to find my serious hat. :)
<Peppernrino>
no bla bla
<customminer>
:P
<Peppernrino>
i'm actually much less talkative in person, unless it's about politics.
<NeuralMiner>
which reminds me, what happened to that donald trump guy?
<NeuralMiner>
that was going around peeing on people or whatever?
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: So he might not be hacking, but rather is boosting his RAC with a project outside the whitelist.
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: For him, goofyxgrid might as well be whitelisted lol..
<NeuralMiner>
how would that work though? each wuprop WU runs for 6 hours and give you 14 credits. static.
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: No idea.
<NeuralMiner>
time to spool a few hundred azure VMs...
<NeuralMiner>
lol
<lestus>
oh god, for the price of one of those i can run up 10 vps at vultr.com or digitalocean.com
<NeuralMiner>
i get free credits every month.
<lestus>
ah then nice
<lestus>
nothing beats free
<NeuralMiner>
exactly.
<lestus>
best part no electricity bill
<NeuralMiner>
the profit killer.
<lestus>
i have one vm web server with 2 cores, it does other things too, but none of them are cpu intensive so i run boinc to utilise it to max capacity, but really it's so weak those two tasks take long, and only two of them, not worth running just for boinc
<NeuralMiner>
maybe. even an odroid c2 gets me ~5 mag.
<customminer>
goofyxgrid isn't cpu intensive, so theoretically you could throw it in docker and run hundreds of instances on a single machine?
<lestus>
customminer: mind blown
<NeuralMiner>
curious if that would work.
<lestus>
same
<lestus>
might be onto something
<lestus>
as in how he's done it
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<Gunde>
customminer: you can, but Hackerchai do use NFS to be able to to get wuProp data to
<Gunde>
At FreeDC is say that he collected 900k for one day now at WUProp
<Gunde>
could be bug from FreeDC but we will see about that
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
they won't come in the next 10 years either
<Peppernrino>
hackerchai. lol
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
otoh, who kows what a project admin does really with our data calculated to him
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<NeuralMiner>
it's weird there hasnt been a commercial project yet, to be honest.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
or if we all just decrypt our own messages, phone calls which the NSA and so give us over a "fake BOINC" project, we can not know what is inside the WUs
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
my guess: if you can cheat in BOINC, there won't come commercial ones
<customminer>
Erkan_Yilmaz: It's non-profit, but it's research is used for commerical purposes (development of vaccines/medicines etc)
<customminer>
Erkan_Yilmaz: Not all projects are cheatable, if the 4th gen BOINC credit system is developed then that'd be a breakthrough. In the mean time, there are methods of preventing cheating.
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<customminer>
We should certainly discuss potential commercial projects, it might catch the attention of beyond bitcoin crowd
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
from what I read back then at the 5th-gen-thread
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
throwing in commercial or so willjust make them cry louder
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
correction: 4th-gen-credit-system
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
the problem or good thing, it depends, is: that gridocin is powered by BOINC
<Deviantone>
^
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
and the beyondbitcoin people certainly are not doing boinc at the moment
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
they are probably in for the money
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<Erkan_Yilmaz>
another problem that will come with commercial and so:
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
it willbring people with good hardware in, thus making the current gridcoin user's power less
<customminer>
Not a concern tbh, it's inevitable.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
not sure if it is not a concern
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
the user base now has fought through different problems and still stays
<customminer>
Regarding the increase in computing power difficulty. Gridcoin distribution will be across a larger quantity of users thus it will become more scarce, hopefully the price will rise and those crunching to cover electricity will still be able to cover costs.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
the "commercial guys" might leave again one day
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
I haven't thought it through yet, but I think when the price of GRC rises, less people might mine
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
I am also now thinking to invest the enegery I "waste" better in speculating with GRC
<customminer>
The entire BOINC community has been crunching for over a decade for free, rewards are beneficial but not everything to a lot of people. Sure there will be those who are only in it for a profit, and they should understand that Gridcoin is significantly undervalued & it's going to be rewarded to a growing quantity of users in the future.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
look at the current price of GRC
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
the problem is that it's a herd or greed effect
<customminer>
Idk, if the price of Gridcoin rises significantly I think more users will crunch - profitability gets better as the value goes up.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
if you know that others can make money, you also want to make money
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
your altruism or whatever goes down the river
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
but it's true that BOINC users have doing for free, me also
<customminer>
yeah true about altruism, but it's still there in the background. Even if you're just investing, buying GRC is like buying completed past research.
<customminer>
What's important to remember is that anyone can make a BOINC project. If crunching competition becomes insane or CPU/GPU projects are ported to GPU/FPGA/etc then a new project could be spun up just for CPUs or sensors.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
in the future perhaps :-) when I heard some days/weeks ago about the cheating possibility, Gridcoin fell a little in my darling-list :-(
<customminer>
Meh, kick the vulnerable project out of the whitelist & focus on the secure projects. Project admins will take notice as computing power moves away.
<customminer>
The more popular Gridcoin becomes, the more indivuals there will be to brainstorm a 4th gen credit system with & potentially developers will take notice. It's still early days & BOINC is going nowhere.
<Gunde>
Not easy to cheat to regular project, BOINC handle it fine for those.
<Gunde>
What BOINC does for those who try to trick benchmark test is that boinc reset this after some time. This was a big issue in the past and the system today do solve this today. But for some project they use another type to reward credits.
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<NeuralMiner>
you can stop the benchmark from running though.
<Gunde>
So the old system is more vulnerable even if creditsystem protect this by reset stats and reward by cputime/runtime.
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<Gunde>
Yea but that would only work in short time
<NeuralMiner>
the newest system, creditnew, still has its issues.
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<NeuralMiner>
rewarding by cpu/runtime is still one of the easiest ways to cheat though. wingman WUs are close, but there's still ways to cheat that as well, but it's definitely not as easy.
<Gunde>
Yea runtime has no value, just add more cores and let them run with low frekvens. Would need real work reward i think and flush that benchmark from boinc. Would need all project to get together to handle this and
<Gunde>
old project should need to change this
<Gunde>
As it is now every project add there own algoritm to calc the credit so some might be easier then others.
<NeuralMiner>
the problem is projects that cant estimate how long a WU should take and how much credit it should be worth. like calculating NFS square root. i dont know of a good way of locking that down.
<NeuralMiner>
i agree every project should use the same algo. problem is things like bitcoin utopia throw it way off.
<Gunde>
Yes NFS and those are hard to solve.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
well, if the Gridocin users find a "flaw" at soem BOINC project with the calc it should be downgraded
<NeuralMiner>
issue is i havent heard of a better system yet. everyone knows this one is flawed, but what would be better? that's the issue.
<customminer>
Alternatively what about better benchmark mechanisms? That plus obfuscating work unit identities to prevent wingmanning could be a good first step towards a 4th gen credit system?
<Gunde>
WE might end to 5 project but if that need to keep gridcoin running then fine for me.
<customminer>
Sure you can crunch the majority of wu's to wingman without worrying about wu id's, but if you're cheating on that scale surely the admin will notice?
<NeuralMiner>
customminer, it's not so much HOW the benchmarks are done; they're definitely not 100%, but it's how they're reported back to the projects.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
well, from all of the above right now, I conclude making a chnage over BOINC will take at least 12 months, if it ever succeeds
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
so, decreasing the whitelist is faster
<NeuralMiner>
you could lock down my benchmarks so they are absolutely correct. i'll just middle man and change how they report back to BOINC.
<fediverse>
xXUnRealXx may your cores be with you forever
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
thx xXUnRealXx
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<Gunde>
May your cudacores be with you xXUnRealXx
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
and fediverse, he won't give away those cores, only when they are dead
<NeuralMiner>
changing the credit system with boinc feels like an uphill battle with the squirts in your pants.
<customminer>
Erkan_Yilmaz: Yeah, in the meantime as Gunde says - reducing the whitelist is a quick fix, then working with the BOINC community towards a 4th gen credit system is the long term goal. 12 months seems like a lot in the cryptocurrency scene, but BOINC has been around for a significant period of time.
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
one should look also at using perhaps something else than BOINC
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
somethig else which of course helps humanity
<NeuralMiner>
is folding separate from boinc?
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: Do you think we would have more progress/success if we began a 4th gen credit system discussion in the BOINC development mailing lists? David anderson has yet to post in that thread.
<Gunde>
Yes
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: Or at least pointing out the thread to the devs via the mailinglists..
<NeuralMiner>
customminer, that might be a good idea. the forum was completely sidetrack by that bag of dicks.
<Gunde>
Folding@HOme was in BOINC but separated after som time to make there own application
<Gunde>
But Folding@Home do have a "bonus" system that wors then boinc credit system.
<NeuralMiner>
somewhere in the git there's notes for the next credit system. i'll have to find it again.
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: It doesn't help that the forum is a nightmare to navigate, it's an absolute wall of text. Reddit is far easier to navigate & continue specific conversation chains without dicks interrupting the stream of conversation.
<Gunde>
Fast card could get x5 of what it could get for real work done.
<NeuralMiner>
just thinking of that thread makes my ass crack sweat. so pissed.
<customminer>
NeuralMiner: Relax bro, my post whooped his ass ;D
<NeuralMiner>
absolutely. but his mission was successful; derail the credit convo.
<customminer>
yeah, successful subversion..
<NeuralMiner>
the boinc subreddit looks kinda... dead as well.
<customminer>
indeed
<Mercosity>
!stats
<fediverse>
your next staked block will get you: 2 GRC (research owed)
<GRCB0T>
Title: CreditProposal · BOINC/boinc-dev-doc Wiki · GitHub (at github.com)
<NeuralMiner>
i'm out. catch yall on the flip.
<customminer>
l8r NeuralMiner :)
<NeuralMiner>
late
<Erkan_Yilmaz>
congrats apc for your magn.
<apc>
I'd like to thank zeus, hera, corndog, phoenix, sonic, time, android phone 1, android phone 2, and of course, last but not least, android tablet.
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<apc>
hmm in neural network it shows mag 3.75, and doing list explainmagnitude in debug gives me 5.4
<apc>
it also only shows 1 project
<apc>
I'm in 2
<apc>
list cpids shows both tho
<customminer>
I think explainmagnitude is depreciated
<Gunde>
might take some time before it will be added, and got minimum rac
<customminer>
if hte neuralnetwork shows both it's fine
<customminer>
the*
<Gunde>
show 3 project for me
<Gunde>
Primegrid rosetta and pogs
<apc>
I'm active on pogs and poem
<apc>
neuralnetwork only shows pogs in the list, but also rosetta in the body
<Gunde>
wait it out until poem has been added.
<apc>
I'm on rosetta but not active, tho I think bam snuck it onto one of my devices this morning
<apc>
hmm oki doki
<apc>
just glad it's not zero anymore. means everything's set up right