00:01 <devyn> life, uh, finds a way'

00:06 <pikajude> wow

00:06 <pikajude> that's a name i haven't heard in a long, long time

05:26 <incomprehensibly> hi devyn hi pikajude hi ec

05:31 <incomprehensibly> i miss this channel

05:31 <incomprehensibly> lmao ec rackmount enclosure?

16:12 <pikajude> gotta say, a big improvement of this job over the last one is no more agile sprint cycle

16:12 <pikajude> since as a great man once said, nobody gives a shit about your weekly deploy cycle

16:52 <jfhbrook> I'm ok with a biweekly planning meeting

16:52 <jfhbrook> if people don't stress about explicitly finishing cards "in time"

16:55 <pikajude> yeah

16:55 <jfhbrook> also imo deploy when ready as long as it's not a friday afternoon

16:55 <pikajude> but agile is about completing X points every sprint

16:55 <jfhbrook> nah

16:55 <pikajude> ya

16:55 <jfhbrook> *scrum* is about completing points every sprint

16:56 <pikajude> right

16:56 <pikajude> oh

16:56 <pikajude> nice

16:56 <jfhbrook> agile is just about shipping early and often

16:56 <pikajude> oh, ok

16:56 <pikajude> they never explained the difference to me

16:58 <jfhbrook> this is the original manifesto http://agilemanifesto.org/

16:59 <jfhbrook> it's wishy-washy, which is why "implementations" like scrum and xp exist

17:00 <jfhbrook> but the gist of it is shipping often and having a back-and-forth with your customers

17:02 <joepie91> "agile" has become like "cloud"

17:03 <joepie91> it probably once had a meaning somewhere

17:03 <pikajude> i can confirm it's both wishy and washy

17:05 <swart> as soon as there's One True Way it's not agile anymore

17:05 <swart> so it's sort of zen

17:05 <swart> if it's not wishy washy then it's not worth a darn

17:05 <pikajude> well the implementation we used was terrible

17:06 <swart> scrum seems to be universally reviled

17:06 <swart> I knew some scrum people and some teams used it where I worked years ago, but I have no personal experience with it

17:07 <swart> except for the ritual standup meetings which seem kind of cargo cultish

17:08 <pikajude> yeah

17:08 <swart> we are in the midst of paying pivotal huge piles of cash for a 3-month project to learn the One True Way

17:09 <swart> but if it gets us doing TDD and CI maybe it's worth it

17:10 <swart> they also want us to start pairing which is great. but I don't know how they are going to staff projects. it's all about changing management mindset, and they are completely set in their ways

17:10 <pikajude> i hate pairing

17:10 <swart> at least we stopped doing sprints

17:11 <swart> I don't mind pairing as long as I'm in control. I learned to type 120wpm in high school and now I can't tolerate watching anyone else use a keyboard :)

17:12 <pikajude> pairing has never been anything other than a waste of time in my experience

17:13 <swart> I sometimes call someone over to help me if I get stuck on requirements

17:13 <swart> I'm too lazy to think through the business cases

17:13 <swart> but I also get in the office at 7:20 and leave at 4:20, most of the other people here don't show up until after 10am so I'm not on the same wavelength for the most part

17:14 <pikajude> not thinking through the business cases is why i'm still code monkey level despite being in the industry for almost 5 years

17:14 <jfhbrook> I actually kinda like planning poker

17:14 <jfhbrook> which is a hallmark of True Scrum™

17:15 <pikajude> more like scrotum

17:17 <jfhbrook> gross :|

23:34 <Pyrrh> hahaha my eyes combined those two lines and I read it as 'hallmark of True Scrotum' so I think your mission was accomplished pikajude

23:34 <pikajude> exactly