<ec^>
like, I played the piano a *lot* when I was young; but I play very little anymore. Have lost my entire repertoire.
<ec^>
just picked it back up a few months ago (really freeing feeling)
<ec^>
but I don't compose for shit, and definitely wouldn't consider myself anything more than a nostalgic hobbyist
<glitch-hat>
similarly, I played and eventually trained pretty hard up until the age of 18
<glitch-hat>
piano and organ
<glitch-hat>
was considering being a church organist as a career
<ec^>
about the same.
* ec^
nods
<glitch-hat>
then decided to do something completely different
<glitch-hat>
I do find it difficult not to blame myself for my abilities slipping away
<glitch-hat>
but I do know that if I practised now as much as I did then, I'd be even better now
<glitch-hat>
(not that I should be satisfied with *potential*)
<ec^>
glitch-hat: woah, that article is ....
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<glitch-hat>
comprehensive?
glitch-hat is now known as glitch^
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<katymoe>
okay I'm going to stop talking about this now
<katymoe>
but
<katymoe>
I have IRCCloud
<katymoe>
ec^: out of curiosity, why did you choose freenode for this channel?
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<katymoe>
I'm exploring my options currently
<katymoe>
(my current vanity chatroom is my personal Slack team, but of course many people prefer IRC and I could pipe them)
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<eligrey>
katymoe: i'm sure he considered paidnode
<ljharb>
katymoe: what network would you have suggested? slack's much much newer than irc, and also it won't ever cost money
<jfhbrook>
what
<jfhbrook>
why would slack not cost money while irc would
<jfhbrook>
like there's no free/open guarantee
<jfhbrook>
maybe you trust slack-the-company more than I do
<jfhbrook>
I use github, I should be chill with it
<ljharb>
oh sorry
<ljharb>
i meant irc won't cost money
<ljharb>
mistyped it
<ljharb>
i do trust slack-the-company. but they also shut down reactiflux because they got "too big" and couldn't pay
<jfhbrook>
oh, I see
<eligrey>
ec^: i'm bored. what kind of games have you been playing?
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<katymoe>
ljharb: yes, these criticisms of Slack are why I'm thinking of moving to IRC, but I don't want to annoy my existing members
<katymoe>
so I'm deciding between Freenode, EFNet (had problems using sameroom.io with it though due to lack of NickServ), Undernet etc
<katymoe>
and yeah, I was at Reactiflux when the purge happened. They're now on Discourse, which seems pretty good
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<ljharb>
i've been very underwhelmed with discourse
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<katymoe>
ljharb: what are your main issues with it? I find it has pretty good performance. lacks a few important features for me but development is quick
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<ljharb>
i don't like the ui, i don't like the voice communication aspect at all, it's been buggy
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<pikajude>
slack is rubbish
<pikajude>
IRC 4ever
<pikajude>
if you want history, use a bouncer
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<pikajude>
weirdly it doesn't play nice with wide chars in iterm at all
<pikajude>
so you know, that sucks
<jfhbrook>
I, uhh
<jfhbrook>
I got really really used to irssi
<jfhbrook>
even though there are things that *should* bother me about it, I'm too lazy to change habits
<pikajude>
i mean, irssi and weechat will do the same stuff
<pikajude>
except weechat supports *7* languages for plugins
<pikajude>
or something
<jfhbrook>
right but it won't be exactly the same right?
<jfhbrook>
there's nothing I want to change either
<pikajude>
it might be
<pikajude>
would take a lot of work to replicate obviously
<jfhbrook>
yeah what I want is basically stock irssi with a purple color theme
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<ec^>
12:23 AM <jfhbrook> maybe you trust slack-the-company more than I do
<ec^>
12:23 AM <jfhbrook> I use github, I should be chill with it
* ec^
sings ‘Get up! Come on, get DOWN WITH THE CAPIT'LISM!’ in tune to ‘Down With the Sickness’, by Disturbed
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<katymoe>
Tell me why these things are terrible, o hater of things
<jfhbrook>
mibbit is kinda funny
<jfhbrook>
efnet was mostly /b/tards iirc
<ec^>
-ec
<purr>
ec^: apparently a cuking jerk [b-sol: 7 162 ſ]
<ec^>
-factoid ec
<purr>
ec^: Alias: elliottcable
<ec^>
-learn elliottcable=o hater of things, a cuking jerk [b-sol: 7 162 ſ]
<purr>
ec^: Learned `elliottcable`.
<jfhbrook>
I keep reading that like a really misspelled cucumber
<ec^>
jfhbrook: I think maybe that was the joke? ugh, I have no idea
<ec^>
jfhbrook: it was gq, an old troublemaker from here
<ec^>
they're probably still in #bbbattle. or ask devyn.
<jfhbrook>
ehh
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<katymoe>
I'd been on efnet before but not undernet. And the verdict for the latter is so far not good (unless you want to be messaged instantly on joining a help channel by three men whose only other channel membership is #cybersex)
<ec^>
katymoe: lawl
<ec^>
basically, I know a large number of crotchety programmers who are going to be very annoyed at having to join another IRC network, and thus will probably never frequent your channel.
<katymoe>
Wow, that's true programmer laziness
<ec^>
Another way of putting it is that locating a programmer-related channel on any network except Freenode has a similar barrier-to-entry to Slack; without any of the *benefits* of Slack. If you're going to relocate off Freenode, you might as well go full Slack, IMHO.
<katymoe>
I mean in most clients it's trivial to set up another network
<ec^>
Not really. A huge percentage of clients treat multi-network chatting as second-class usability citizen.
<ec^>
(IRCcloud verrrry included: I never, ever talk on any channels outside Freenode, despite being technically connected to five networks right now ... >,<)
<ec^>
‘set up’ ≠ ‘talk in daily.’
<katymoe>
Also I guess I need to think about the purpose of my channel. Slack team is invitation only
<katymoe>
Which I like
<ec^>
when on multiple networks, irssi requires you to be *very* careful what you type, lest you send commands to the wrong servers: it's trivial to send your nickserv password to a service-squatter on another server;
<ec^>
in irccloud, you can't arrange channels between networks, so that whichever network is at the top of the list is likely to take the entire screen
<katymoe>
Ah shit
<ec^>
(even if *one* channel from another network is more important to you than most of the channels from your primary network)
<katymoe>
I like the UI in limechat that shows all messages from all channels in a scrolling bit
* ec^
nods
<katymoe>
Sorry, can't describe uis very well rn. In a queue for a club
<katymoe>
Cold
<ec^>
I reallllllly like hilightwin.pl on irssi; I miss that heavily, heavily, heavily in irccloud
<katymoe>
What was that? I never used irssi
<ec^>
like that, arbitrarily-orderable ‘windows,’ and a functioning /go, are the things that make me teeter-totter about going back to ssh-irc'ing
<ec^>
well a ‘window’ in irssi is an arbitrary bucket for messages. You usually attach one-channel or one-privmsg to each ‘window’; and then you attach a particular window at any given moment to a “pane” (which is a viewport. just like tmux.)
<ec^>
but you can also redirect messages however the fuck you like: particularly, it's pretty trivial to direct *all messages that mention you* to a particular ‘window’, which then has no other content associated with it. I always kept that open in a small (~8 lines tall) viewport at the top of my terminal.
<ec^>
that way I could *hold conversations* in multiple channels trivially, as long as people kept mentioning me as they spoke (which is standard IRC courtesy, unless the conversation is *very* one-on-one like this rn, or in a small channel.)
<ec^>
better yet, it's easy to combine two *channels* into a single window, and then use the `tab` key to switch which one your input is being sent to
<ec^>
so I'd see “#elliottcable <katymoe> hi” and “#js-irc <emilyrose> hi ec 'sup” in the same window,
<ec^>
and my input-area would say “#elliottcable: ” as a prompt
<ec^>
making it again trivial to type ‘hi katy⇥’ ↩ ⇥ ‘hi emi⇥’ ↩
<ec^>
like, I've never used another client that actually made it *easy* to participate in multiple channels simultaneously. The best I've been able to get since irssi was *switching between* channels quickly and relatively easily /=
<ec^>
atm my solution is multiple tabs in one Safari window, all open to IRCcloud, with a different window selected in each ... but I'm really ... not very in love with that.
<katymoe>
Yeah, I'm guessing irccloud may implement some sort of tabbed solution themselves
* ec^
nods
<ec^>
talking about this is aaaaaaaalmost making me want to switch back to irssi for a while
<ec^>
unfortunately ... perl.
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<ec^>
ugh
<ec^>
how the fuck do I restore content from a Time Capsule o_o