<eligrey>
joelteon: some cost the CA $1 more in terms of effort (someone needs to google your name and make sure youre real and also check public records)
<eligrey>
that $1 more of work justifies $100 more in price
<eligrey>
well hypothetically justifies
<eligrey>
i dont need ssl since i don't run any interactive websites or priviledged (execution/permissions-wise) websites
<eligrey>
i guess it would be nice for my public key, but that's about it
<eligrey>
and my wp admin i guess..
<alexgordon>
you know whenever I post a comment on HN I immediately regret it
<alexgordon>
1. the time spent to write it is wasted
<alexgordon>
2. if it gets upvoted I don't really care
<alexgordon>
3. if it gets downvoted I feel even more annoyed that I spent all that time to write it
<alexgordon>
what's the fucking point
<eligrey>
you have to reinforce popular trends within the hivemind
<katlogic>
downvote on hn? how does it work?
<eligrey>
katlogic: you need enough karma
<katlogic>
ah
<eligrey>
then you unlock the ability to downvote
<eligrey>
i can only downvote comments
<eligrey>
i think submission downvoting is like 1000+ karma
<alexgordon>
yah
<alexgordon>
it used to be less but, karma inflation
<katlogic>
180+ karma
<eligrey>
nope
<katlogic>
how much do i need to karmawhore?
<eligrey>
i have more than 180 and i cant downvote submissions
<alexgordon>
I think the same about stackoverflow but I feel I should probably shut up about it because I need other people to write the answers
<katlogic>
eligrey: cant downvote comments either
<alexgordon>
katlogic: I had like 2000 karma but I gave that shit up
<alexgordon>
when HN started the average HNer was smarter than me
<alexgordon>
I learnt a lot of useful stuff
<katlogic>
yeah, i submitted like 1 karmawhorish link to get a taste whats hn like
<alexgordon>
now it's full of idiots
<katlogic>
and thats it
<eligrey>
someone just needs to make a reddit app with a built-in fake-subreddit that is just hacker news
<eligrey>
so i dont have to care so much about it and have its own app
<eligrey>
and for it to* have
<katlogic>
well, it does have some nice features reddit could use
<alexgordon>
I wish there was an HN without
<alexgordon>
1. comments
<alexgordon>
2. stupid startup stories
<katlogic>
like the flameburner thing i think its awesome
<katlogic>
too much comments, not enough upvotes? off it goess from front page
<alexgordon>
yah
<eligrey>
limited comment depth keeps discussion literally and metaphorically shallow
<eligrey>
i disagree with that part of HN strongly
<alexgordon>
the best articles on HN are always the ones with few comments
<eligrey>
reddit got it right with unlimited comment depth
<alexgordon>
but loads of upvotes
<katlogic>
eligrey: I beg to differ. Its the closest thing i've seen to saging.
<katlogic>
its simply metric autism is rampant in that thread
<katlogic>
so it gets autosaged organically
<eligrey>
i don't mean the cases where people are constantly spamming responses down and down
<katlogic>
if you need to discuss, use fucking irc, this ought to motivate to present clear points (be it tldr) and not argue.
<eligrey>
but when there are actually constructive discussions that are in the form of replies to comments
<katlogic>
yeah, same thing like on chans happens then
<eligrey>
well-moderated subreddits can pull off good commenting
<katlogic>
same thread is started
<katlogic>
like the lennart thing
<katlogic>
like 10 threads
<eligrey>
mods kill chains quickly on all of the science-related subreddits
<katlogic>
with raging autism, though
<katlogic>
but thats kinda justified nerdrage
<katlogic>
because the hate of systemd is well deserved and ever present
<katlogic>
eligrey: yeah, definitely one-on-one sperging could use some autokill
<katlogic>
though i think automod does something of the sorts already
<alexgordon>
sooo I'm getting some of the way there in writing furrow's type system
<devyn>
yeah, I definitely wouldn't want that mountain of verbose shit lol
<purr>
lol
<katlogic>
to be fair, after the initial (caching?) it takes only 200ms
<katlogic>
lemme drop disk caches
<devyn>
seeking was probably due to loading all of the logs, since it seems to display those there
<katlogic>
and again
<devyn>
mine doesn't
<katlogic>
"all the logs"
<katlogic>
whats the problem
<katlogic>
all it does is like tail -100
<katlogic>
should certainly not load 2gbyte from disk
<katlogic>
in random seeks, even
<katlogic>
vmstat is hilarious
<katlogic>
5mbyte/s, 200iop/s
<devyn>
well each service has its own log, so that explains the random seeks perhaps, and then they're stored in some kind of binary format and rotated and idfk
<katlogic>
400mbyte in 20k iops
<katlogic>
gj systemctl
<devyn>
that said, that is definitely a very old version, so I wouldn't judge what systemd is *now* based on that haha
<katlogic>
devyn: to be fair this is like 10 years athlon used for irc
<devyn>
that too
<devyn>
not that that should matter
<katlogic>
still imo hard excuse that they expect me to run i7 with 32gb ram and ssd
<katlogic>
i mean now that windows is dead
<katlogic>
the torch has been passed to systemd
<devyn>
I can run systemd just fine on a Raspberry Pi, so I doubt that's really an issue
<devyn>
lol
<purr>
lol
<katlogic>
ie to make trivial stuff have super heavy hardware hardware requirements
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<katlogic>
so the moores law can march on
<devyn>
what's that inverse to moore's law called
<devyn>
I forget
<katlogic>
devyn: how old is that arch install?
<katlogic>
this one is like, 3 years old
<katlogic>
past 2 or 3 ER rooms after screwing up update
<devyn>
3 years old is ancient in Arch terms; mine are all up to date as of a few days ago
<katlogic>
nah, obviously it is updated
<katlogic>
its just not reinstalled for that long, thats what i'm asking
<katlogic>
apparently crud accumulates on arch just as windows xp
<devyn>
oh, no, I've got a server with Arch that's been run through updates for about 3 years now, still going strong, no reinstalls needed
<devyn>
and my desktop's been running for a year or so now too
<katlogic>
server? ballsy.
<devyn>
that used to be the case, but things have actually improved a lot since they cleaned shit up and went with systemd
<devyn>
my server actually survived the systemd migration; it was installed with sysv
<devyn>
ballsy? yeah, I guess, but it's just a home server. my production servers for important stuff all run Debian, haha
<devyn>
debian + security patches + some random stuff from the 'unstable' repos
<devyn>
but even there I miss systemd's .service files. systemd isn't KISS from an architecture standpoint, but from the end-user's point of view, it's pretty damn KISS