purr changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a ~better~ cult
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: hi
<vigs> flurp
<vigs> hi
<purr> vigs: hi!
<vigs> hi
<purr> vigs: hi!
<vigs> hi
<purr> vigs: hi!
* vigs pets purr
* purr rrr
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<devyn> ELLIOTTCABLE: no, dead
<ELLIOTTCABLE> devyn: huh?
<devyn> you said "alive?"
<devyn> :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ohhhh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i did a thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> thought-thingses
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh how is paws doing?
<devyn> I've been a bit busy with work, so nothing really since I last updated you
<ELLIOTTCABLE> okay :D
<devyn> might do stuff tonight
<devyn> kinda stressed out about life stuff too :/
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<gq> ELLIOTTCABLE: hey nerd. why am i bein boxed to people as an 'example?' lol
<purr> lol
<gq> -nest ELLIOTTCABLE
<gq> -nest @ ELLIOTTCABLE
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: * gq climbs into ELLIOTTCABLE's hair and makes a nest
<vigs> -didja @ purr
<purr> purr: didja write a paws yet? didja? didja!?
<devyn> ::
<devyn> :: test
<devyn> currently looking at pictures on Google Maps of countries that no one really seems to give a shit about
<devyn> it's kinda fun
<devyn> Ulaanbataar seems like a very sad place
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<joelteon> i did not know the capital of mongolia started with the letter U
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<devyn> yeah
<devyn> I fucked up
<devyn> it's Ulaanbaatar
<devyn> long vowel in the wrong place
<devyn> >_>
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<alexgordon> cuttlebone is micah right?
* alexgordon has trouble keeping up
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<joelteon> nix is amazing because it satisfies my innate need to compile things
<prophile> nyx?
<prophile> nyx nyx nyx
<joelteon> nix
<joelteon> the package manager
<prophile> nyxnyxnyxnyxnyx
<joelteon> most package managers provide binaries....
<prophile> nyxnyx
<joelteon> but not nix.
<prophile> nyx
<joelteon> well
<prophile> you like it because it's missing a feature
<joelteon> it's because i'm an early adopter
<prophile> nyx.
<prophile> haskell people seem to like nix
<joelteon> yes
<joelteon> it's haskelly
<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi all
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: youuuuu, wake upppppp
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Either that, or alexgordon's just gonna have to suck it up and learn enough Paws to talk design with me
<alexgordon> -nope
<purr> alexgordon: http://youtu.be/gvdf5n-zI14
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<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: thinking about stream fusion
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: was sat
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: man you have so much to learn :P
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: stream fusion is when you combine operations such as map and filter so they can be implemented without copying the list they run over
<alexgordon> hence achieving Faster™
<ELLIOTTCABLE> iiiiiinteresting
<alexgordon> it honestly is
<ELLIOTTCABLE> So, a specific case of taking a set of common operations, and combining them into one operation behind-the-scene
<alexgordon> right
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I.e. "What CPUs Do"
<alexgordon> CPUs usually do the opposite
<alexgordon> intel CPUs are just a RISC core
<alexgordon> they have this CISC instruction set which gets translated by microcode into RISC operations
<alexgordon> so when you use say the AES instruction it actually turns it into a bunch of RISC instructions
<ELLIOTTCABLE> word
<ELLIOTTCABLE> CISC?
<alexgordon> CISC = lots of specialized instructions
<alexgordon> RISC = a few general instructions
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: e.g. a compiler could do this: https://gist.github.com/fileability/b2369fae68485e8d6f1c
<alexgordon> and move the reverse instruction to the top because it affects indexes (but not data) whereas the others affect data (but not indexes)
<alexgordon> these kinds of high level optimizations are really interesting to me, because most high level languages (like ruby/python) just dumbly copy the data, whereas most low level languages are too low level to express them
<alexgordon> so we can think about "stream operations" as being in a few different categories
<alexgordon> there's index mappings (Int -> Int) like reverse
<alexgordon> then there's index predicates (Int -> Bool) like tail()
<alexgordon> data mappings like well, map
<alexgordon> and data predicates like filter
<alexgordon> there's also more complex combinations like indexed maps
<alexgordon> hm, not sure if scans are ok for fusion
<alexgordon> haskell seems to do it
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<alexgordon> concat is an interesting one
<alexgordon> concat is basically an inner loop
<alexgordon> then there's things like find which are a conditional with a break statement
<alexgordon> split is interesting, it's the opposite of concat, so you're turning [T] into [[T]]
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: hi!
<vigs> hi
<purr> vigs: hi!
<vigs> hi
<purr> vigs: hi!
<alexgordon> prophile: STREAM FUSION MAN
<prophile> that's my favourite jazz subgenre too!
<alexgordon> prophile: ha
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> vigs!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> prophile: hi
<prophile> hey
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> vil!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> long-time-no-see!
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<zackkitzmiller> who the fuck are there 37 people in here
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's not english.
<zackkitzmiller> how*
<ELLIOTTCABLE> well, either sex, or magic
<ELLIOTTCABLE> really only two possibilities
<katlogic> zackkitzmiller: people like EC with pokemon fetish attract sycophants
* katlogic used to have 100+ head channel too long time ago but it died out eventually. one needs to water it like flower or it withers.
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: So keep us entertained, don't let us wither!
* ELLIOTTCABLE pats katlogic
* ELLIOTTCABLE waters purr
* purr rr
* ELLIOTTCABLE waters purr
* purr rrr
<ELLIOTTCABLE> see, it grew
<Willox> *gets suspended from steam*
<Willox> This better not be for reporting dem exploits
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Willox: did you really :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh my god, after all that :D
<Willox> I think it is for my name
<Willox> I had my name set to \u200E (ltr mark)
<Willox> but I set it through their own settings dialog how can that be against the rules
<ELLIOTTCABLE> zackkitzmiller: Hi! Have you written a Paws, yet?
<Willox> That'd explain why they have frozen my name as "me"
<Willox> which is a dickmove
<ELLIOTTCABLE> my e-mail address means I show up in Google chats as “me.” to everybody.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> everybody complains about it.
<cuttlebone> alexgordon: jazz was what i first thought of when i glanced at your comment too :p
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> YES!
<cuttlebone> ugh i feel like shit after last night
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wat hapen
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i blame zackkitzmiller
<cuttlebone> went to a concert, went crazy, super moshy, also party after
<zackkitzmiller> do it.
<zackkitzmiller> blame me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> super-moshy™
<ELLIOTTCABLE> zackkitzmiller: I'll put you in a box with @gqbrielle.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it's a very small box.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: so, I'm ready to implement a PoC for insanities.
<zackkitzmiller> okies.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> really simple shit.
<cuttlebone> poc?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> proof-of-concept
<Willox> ELLIOTTCABLE: mine does the same
<cuttlebone> oh ok
<Willox> me@wiox.me
<ELLIOTTCABLE> tagging of the data-graph, and then infection form there on out
<cuttlebone> seriously thought person of color
<cuttlebone> lol
<purr> lol
<zackkitzmiller> lol
<zackkitzmiller> \o.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> zackkitzmiller: o7
<zackkitzmiller> L7
<ELLIOTTCABLE> zackkitzmiller: I can't remember, what do you write?
<zackkitzmiller> weenie
<zackkitzmiller> novels.
<zackkitzmiller> poetry.
<zackkitzmiller> anythign really.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> no, as in, code, y'douche
<zackkitzmiller> At this very moment, I’m write ruby. though I wish I was not.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> possible_programming_langauge_names.unshift('anythign')
<ELLIOTTCABLE> why! ruby! greenhearts!
<zackkitzmiller> I don’t like ruby.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: FUCKING SERIOUSLY THOUGH, ERROR HANDLING, FINALLY
<ELLIOTTCABLE> zackkitzmiller: you're a terrible person.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: I need, like, chat. Help me figure out shit. What am I missing?
<zackkitzmiller> I’m not!
<zackkitzmiller> Ruby is just. eh.
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: out of the details you've mentioned, everything
<cuttlebone> ELLIOTTCABLE: :OOO
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttlebone: huh?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> talk to meeeee instead of moshing
<cuttlebone> as in we haven't discussed yet so i'm jok that "you are missing everything"
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol >:
<purr> lol
<cuttlebone> ugh done moshing for at least several days
<cuttlebone> also done spending money for probably months
<cuttlebone> i am awful
<cuttlebone> concert was CRAZY tho
<cuttlebone> anyway ok insanities error handle
<zackkitzmiller> what concert
<ELLIOTTCABLE> okay.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> basically, I think we talked about a lot of other stuff, but I'm just going to implement the minimum-viable-product, for the moment.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> A) an explicit way to infect ‘yourself’, and B) semantics for it flowing through the data- and code-graphs
<katlogic> purr: Is paws sentient yet?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Hm, I'm not sure purr'd know. she's not exactly up on the latest Paws developments.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> then I've gotta make all the builtins, well, error-aware
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> have them infect the caller when something goes wrong.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wat.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> apparently purr *really* didn't like being asked if she was sentient.
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<joelteon> my load average is 7.0.7
<joelteon> wait
<joelteon> that's not right
<joelteon> 7.07
<joelteon> numbers are hard
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol and thus you see my issue with “semantic versioning.”
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> THEY AREN'T. REAL. NUMBERS. UGGGGGH.
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<katlogic> semantic what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> semver is really popular in the Node community. And starting to be everywhere else that I've seen.
<katlogic> wish more people just used less-style versioning
<ELLIOTTCABLE> it requires that all things are versioned as “a.b.c”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> personally, I think versions should be an integer.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> You release version 1.
<katlogic> even god damn git tag / git describe is somewhat stubborn to less-style ver
<ELLIOTTCABLE> And then, when you make some versions, you release … oh, let's see, I dunno,
<ELLIOTTCABLE> motherfucking version 2.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ಠ_ಠ
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: single integer is less-style
<ELLIOTTCABLE> good.
<katlogic> man less
<katlogic> or less --version
<katlogic> :)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yeah, I like single-integer releases, and git-hashes for anything more granular than that.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> glad we're on the same page.
<katlogic> eventually i settled for
<katlogic> git tag -a JUSTNAMEOFSOFTWARE
<katlogic> and then git describe shows delta since that initial tag
<katlogic> and makefile puts it into banner
<katlogic> so version is simply delta since last tag
<eligrey> such hypocrisy http://andreasgal.com/2014/05/14/eme/
<ELLIOTTCABLE> delta?
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: man git-describe :)
<eligrey> they support sandboxed native code for drm but not portable sandboxed native code for all
<eligrey> (pnacl)
<katlogic> $ git describe
<katlogic> LJX-103-g403a6bc
<ELLIOTTCABLE> gotcha
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: tl;dr
<cuttlebone> zackkitzmiller: Danny Brown
<katlogic> But do they honestly think that opensourced drm will fly?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what?
<katlogic> Apparently its yet to be determined if that is "sufficient means of protection"
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: In the US, it is illegal to reverse engineer binary blob to bypass DRM.
<katlogic> But what if DRM is opensource?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> er,
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you're confusing me with eligrey
<katlogic> eligrey: s/ELLITOCABLE/eligrey/
<katlogic> gah
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ELLITOCABLE
<eligrey> idk ask ELLIOTTCABLE
<katlogic> ELLIOTTCABLE: keep your impostors in check!
<ELLIOTTCABLE> wrong eli
<eligrey> ELLIOTTCABLE: change the topic to the worst topicstealerest cult
<eligrey> pls
<eligrey> because you literally are
<ELLIOTTCABLE> eligrey: wat
<eligrey> you even chose to refine the topic i gave you before
<eligrey> i mean didnt give you
<eligrey> said
<ELLIOTTCABLE> could you.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> *possibly*.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> be a bigger troll.
<eligrey> i wanted to eventually use the topic myself
<eligrey> but i didnt know youd take it for yourself
<katlogic> hm
katlogic changed the topic of #elliottcable to: when we enter into programming languages we aren't primordial ape fuckers anymore. we're severed from the real forever, codemned to make a crude parody of the truth called art; a description of the sublime our shit covered skeletons can never experience.
<katlogic> does that work?
ELLIOTTCABLE changed the topic of #elliottcable to: wait, we can change the topic?
<eligrey> more cult
ELLIOTTCABLE changed the topic of #elliottcable to: more cult
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