sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja
licnep has joined #bitcoin-wizards
son0p has quit [Quit: leaving]
luke-jr has quit [Excess Flood]
luke-jr has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty has joined #bitcoin-wizards
merlinsbeard has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
BashCo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
enemabandit has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
dnaleor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
luke-jr has quit [Excess Flood]
luke-jr has joined #bitcoin-wizards
TheoStorm has joined #bitcoin-wizards
TheoStorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
coinsmurf has joined #bitcoin-wizards
coinsmurf2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Belkaar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
Belkaar_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Murch has quit [Quit: Snoozing.]
kaalia has joined #bitcoin-wizards
AaronvanW has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
BashCo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
AaronvanW has joined #bitcoin-wizards
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
AaronvanW has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
licnep has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
alferz has joined #bitcoin-wizards
alferz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
BashCo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
BashCo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dispel has joined #bitcoin-wizards
veleiro has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Krellan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Krellan has joined #bitcoin-wizards
meshcollider has joined #bitcoin-wizards
veleiro` has joined #bitcoin-wizards
shesek has joined #bitcoin-wizards
shesek has joined #bitcoin-wizards
shesek has quit [Changing host]
veleiro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
douglas__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
Murch has joined #bitcoin-wizards
arubi has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
arubi has joined #bitcoin-wizards
jtimon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
veleiro` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Jeremy_Rand[m] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
bjorn[m] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
bjorn[m] has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Jeremy_Rand[m] has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
rusty has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Client Quit]
Krellan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Krellan has joined #bitcoin-wizards
enemabandit has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Murch has quit [Quit: Snoozing.]
TheoStorm has joined #bitcoin-wizards
adam3us has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
warren has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
adam3us has joined #bitcoin-wizards
warren has joined #bitcoin-wizards
d9b4bef9 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
d9b4bef9 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Krellan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
rusty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
dr_win has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
laurentmt has joined #bitcoin-wizards
meshcollider has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
laurentmt has quit [Quit: laurentmt]
AaronvanW has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Aaronvan_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
AaronvanW has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
Aaronva__ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
arubi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
Aaronvan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
arubi has joined #bitcoin-wizards
johnla2 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
thrmo has quit [Quit: Waiting for .007]
jtimon has joined #bitcoin-wizards
quer has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Guyver2 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
son0p has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty has joined #bitcoin-wizards
thrmo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
rilos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rusty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
rilos has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
<maaku>
moneromooo: why would you ever choose TLS exccept to interop with an existing system?
<maaku>
waxwing: elements alpha used Schnorr
<maaku>
and since you're technically asking about signature algorithms not curves, cryptonote's ring signatures count
<waxwing>
right. both different curve and different sig algo.
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
<moneromooo>
That's kinda what I'm asking, yes (specifically vs that system I linked to).
rilos has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
Aaronva__ is now known as AaronvanW
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
quer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
quer has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
quer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
quer_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
intcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
intcat has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
johnla2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
d9b4bef9 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
d9b4bef9 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
rilos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
son0p has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
Belkaar_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
rilos_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
douglas__ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Belkaar has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Belkaar has quit [Changing host]
Belkaar has joined #bitcoin-wizards
echonaut8 has joined #bitcoin-wizards
echonaut has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Murch has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
roconnor has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
belcher has joined #bitcoin-wizards
johnla has joined #bitcoin-wizards
kristofferR has joined #bitcoin-wizards
johnla has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
p0nziph0ne has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
douglas__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
p0nziph0ne has joined #bitcoin-wizards
jtimon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
opdenkamp has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb1 - http://znc.in]
thrmo has quit [Quit: Waiting for .007]
rilos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
Krellan has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
rilos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Murch has quit [Quit: Snoozing.]
Murch has joined #bitcoin-wizards
enemabandit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
rilos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
rilos has joined #bitcoin-wizards
opdenkamp has joined #bitcoin-wizards
bildramer has joined #bitcoin-wizards
bildramer1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
rilos has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
enemabandit has joined #bitcoin-wizards
d9b4bef9 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Krellan has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Giszmo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
TheoStorm has quit [Quit: Leaving]
Murch has quit [Quit: Snoozing.]
Murch has joined #bitcoin-wizards
douglas__ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
jtimon has joined #bitcoin-wizards
TheoStorm has joined #bitcoin-wizards
laurentmt has joined #bitcoin-wizards
laurentmt has quit [Client Quit]
intcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
intcat has joined #bitcoin-wizards
thrmo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
belcher_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards
Murch has quit [Quit: Snoozing.]
belcher has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
meshcollider has joined #bitcoin-wizards
vicenteH has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
vicenteH has joined #bitcoin-wizards
thrmo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
thrmo has joined #bitcoin-wizards
<maaku>
moneromooo: I think I'm saying the opposite. No one in their right mind should choose TLS for something new that requires interop
<maaku>
Too much of an attack surface (complexity)
<maaku>
*that doesn't require interop
<maaku>
waxwing: well, does zcash's snark curves count as authentication?
<moneromooo>
The opposite of... ?
<maaku>
moneromooo: you asked why doesn't bip-151 specify "use SSL"
<moneromooo>
Anyway, yes, complexity is one major difference.
<maaku>
one very simple answer is complexity
<maaku>
we kinda went down that route with X509 and payment protocol and everyone regrets it
<moneromooo>
Oh ? Sorry, I did not mean to ask that. I meant to ask the pros and cons of each.
<maaku>
waxwing: i would be interested in a supersingular isogeny curve for quantum resistance. i don't think anyone has looked at this though
<moneromooo>
Complexity is important, but if the other happens to have a large flaw in some usage patterns, the complex one might be better in tht case. Hence asking.
son0p has joined #bitcoin-wizards
dispel has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]