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<gmaxwell>
"Who can help me engange in brain surgery? my neighbor has a tumor. I pay to learn. pm me." ... ::sigh:: re people spamming #bitcoin-dev about their new coin creations when they dunno how to even compile the software. :(
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<midnightmagic>
I'd buy that for a dollar..
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<zooko>
I actually did, I think, save a person from brain cancer. #offtopic
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<kanzure>
making a stable cryptocash system can have that effect on people, yes
<zooko>
lolwut
<kanzure>
well how else are they going to pay for brain cancer treatment
<zooko>
a) I haven't made a stable cryptocurrency (yet), b) no that's not how I saved his life.
<zooko>
c) where's the #bitcoin-wizards-offtopic channel? Oh, I think I just created it.
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<zooko>
Also, I'd like to point out something to you about that theory of the mechanics of aging and why keto diet should be expected to slow aging if that mechanical explanation is right.
<kanzure>
i suggested ##hplusroadmap for that
<zooko>
... as soon as you join #bitcoin-wizards-offtopic, or direct me to another forum and tell me that you really want to hear ...
<zooko>
Ok!
<zooko>
Sorry, I forgot that channel last time around. Writing it down ...
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<weex>
how are SPV nodes likely to handle an unresolved hard fork? for nodes they are talking to, would they know which chain that node is on?
<maaku>
depends on the fork
<weex>
maaku: as in what is changed?
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<maaku>
yeah
<weex>
assuming it's just block size limit
<maaku>
then its completely transparent to an spv node
<maaku>
which doesn't see whole blocks and has no idea how big a given block is
<weex>
is there any upgrade an SPV node could do then to figure that out?
<weex>
without some other bad side effects i mean
<Luke-Jr>
a consensus rule could have blocks commit to their size
<weex>
but that would require a hard fork or no?
<Luke-Jr>
yes
<Luke-Jr>
well, maybe only softfork if you throw it in the generation tx
<weex>
i'm thinking of writing about how an unresolved hard fork screws up SPV nodes but could use some sources that help paint the picture
<maaku>
some block limit fork proposals may be visible to spv nodes
<maaku>
e.g. difficulty adjustment (gmaxwell's proposal)
<maaku>
weex: i'm not sure you can say unresolved hard forks screw up SPV nodes in particular (compared to other nodes)
<weex>
well if they can't even tell which side they're on, as opposed to full nodes, that seems a targeted screwing
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<maaku>
weex: that's what you buy into with SPV though
<maaku>
the blocks could be invalid for other reasons too
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<maaku>
the whole idea is you don't know if the blocks are valid or not, you're just trusting the miners. so i'm not sure how the special case of an unresolved hard fork is different...
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<weex>
it enables some miners to report on longer chains of bad, from the majority perspective, blocks with increased chance of being relayed onto SPV nodes
<Eliel>
you could probably minimize the issues by making different conflicting requirements about new blocks on each end of the chain. Same for transactions.
<weex>
Eliel: right, i'd like to keep it simple, not assuming additional changes to a basic block size limit change
<weex>
if there's anything else i should read (past threads?) on this, i
<weex>
'll check back, thanks
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