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<strcmp1>
hey jhass
<jhass>
hey
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<strcmp1>
yeah, it is just bundler. it doesn't seem to ever happen with 'gem install <anything>', but i think it also only happens when there is at least >= 5 gems to install.
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<jhass>
did you try running with --verbose to get a sense on what call it gets stuck?
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<strcmp1>
yeah, 1sec
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<strcmp1>
it seems to fail on a random gem everytime :/
<strcmp1>
what is wow about that?
<strcmp1>
ah
<strcmp1>
grade F
<strcmp1>
:/
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<jhass>
I guess the question is whether it uses a different host when it works
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<strcmp1>
'bundle install' fails 100% of the time for me.
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<jhass>
well, you say it fails at different gems, so some work?
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<strcmp1>
yeah, it fails at different gems everytime, if i keep running 'bundle install' over and over again it will eventually work, but fail like at least 5 times during it.
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<shevy>
guys
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<shevy>
pros and cons of listing version in a .gemspec file
<shevy>
con: the gem will refuse to be installed for the user
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<sevenseacat>
seems like a pretty big con.
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<shevy>
well there are several advantages of course
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<shevy>
pro: updatable list of (hopefully proven) gems that can work together
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<shevy>
somehow I seem to miss the middle-ground of combining the best :(
<sevenseacat>
example?
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<shevy>
Well, for instance, let's say I make some change in a gem that renders said gem backwards incompatible. Then I actually would need to specify a minimum version as otherwise other gems may no longer work.
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<EllisTAA>
can someone tell me how they would approach this source code if they had to read it? I want to get into reading gems but they’re so big i don’t know how to approach them https://github.com/sparklemotion/nokogiri
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<sevenseacat>
you picked a doozy to start with
<sevenseacat>
given it's mostly native extensions
<Aeyrix>
Yeah of all gems to pick
<Aeyrix>
that probably rivals unicorn
<EllisTAA>
lol
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<EllisTAA>
ok which gem should i start with
<sevenseacat>
why are you trying to just read gems?
<sevenseacat>
what do you hope to achieve?
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<EllisTAA>
to learn about the gems, learn about structure of code, patterns and common practices
<certainty>
flughafen: o/
<EllisTAA>
become better at ruby
<kinduff>
EllisTAA: I'll try first faker gem, its a pretty simple one
<sevenseacat>
start by writing some code. if you write code that uses a gem, when you have an entry point into a gem that you're curious about, then go looking to see how it works
<EllisTAA>
kinduff: cool ty
<ebonics>
do what your heart desires
<ebonics>
live true to yourself and your word
<kinduff>
EllisTAA: Besides common scripting, are you interested in controller, model, db stuff?
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<EllisTAA>
sevenseacat: what do you mean entry point?
<EllisTAA>
kinduff: yep
<sevenseacat>
a method call provided by the gem or something, a reason to start looking at something
<sevenseacat>
instead of just 'i want to learn code'
<ebonics>
i love me some code learn
<ebonics>
i never get to write ruby code
<sevenseacat>
ebonics: no-one's stopping you.
<ebonics>
i thought i had a great excuse to use ruby, but it fell through
<ebonics>
well yeah sorta :P ruby is never a valid option for what i need to do
<ebonics>
it _was_ but mruby let me down
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<kinduff>
EllisTAA: Devise gem for example, kaminari and asset pointed take a look at twitter-bootstrap-rails or jquery-rails
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<EllisTAA>
cool thanks ill check em out all out
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<flughafen>
sup certainty
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<Aeyrix>
ebonics: Ypi
<Aeyrix>
WOW
<Aeyrix>
You're too busy with Go. ;)
<certainty>
flughafen: busy times. Have to fix the CI setup and hunt down a strange dns problem
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<ebonics>
Aeyrix, i was trying to use mruby as a scripting language for my go app D:
<ebonics>
but she let me down
<ebonics>
let me down good
<flughafen>
certainty: i just fixed my CI problems, and last week was dns city for me
<Aeyrix>
ebonics: wtf how
<Aeyrix>
how did you fuck that up
<Aeyrix>
I defended your idea for like two hours in that channel
<ebonics>
her regexes were brokerino
<Aeyrix>
against mr "I've done security for 20 years but I don't know what arbitrary input is"
<ebonics>
and her load time was unmanageable
<Aeyrix>
Gross. Embed Lua.
<ebonics>
i'm using otto now
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<ebonics>
going with the ol' js
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<Aeyrix>
no no no no NO
<Aeyrix>
N O
<Aeyrix>
O
<ebonics>
:\(
<Aeyrix>
What happened to your face?
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<ebonics>
broke it in 'nam
<Aeyrix>
'nam bread?
<ebonics>
ye
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<certainty>
flughafen: maybe your bugs just migrated here xD
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<flughafen>
certainty: thank god!
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<ddv>
I really want to use group_by, seems to make sense but I need a global counter
<maasha>
When calling a method using hash arguments, is there any way to check for duplicate keys?
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<maasha>
method(foo: 23, foo: 34) => warning -> you are stupid
<apeiros>
maasha: ruby already emits a warning on duplicate hash keys
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<maasha>
apeiros: hm, somehow I am missing that.
<apeiros>
but you can't check on the receiver side, as there'll never arrive a duplicate key
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<maasha>
apeiros: how can I raise an exception on this warning?
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<apeiros>
you can't
<maasha>
never mind about the receiver side
<maasha>
hm
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<apeiros>
I mean… you could. it'd be horrible IMO. replace $stderr with something you're observing and raise when you match the pattern of the warning.
<apeiros>
as said, horrible IMO.
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<maasha>
apeiros: ok, I better think this over. Thanks
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<ljarvis>
ddv: you want .each_with_index
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<maasha>
And now to something completely different. Do we have a tool to compare two ruby-profs?
<apeiros>
cina: re ljarvis' comment - if you're using ruby 2.0 or higher and don't have a special encoding comment, your string literals already are encoded in utf-8 as ljarvis says. you can verify by running: p "".encoding
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<cina>
apeiros: exactly!
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<jokke>
hi
<adaedra>
Greetings
<_ht>
ALoha
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<_ht>
What's up?
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<jokke>
i'm using net::http to retrieve very many assets from $server. I cannot assume that $server is same for every request. The connection is over ssl, so the handshake alone takes a long time
<_ht>
Parallellism for the win
<adaedra>
you shouldn't use global variables
<_ht>
also, too many lls?
<jokke>
_ht: i already run this multithreaded
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<jokke>
but im talking in the ten thousands of assets
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<_ht>
Use a distributed system?
<jokke>
and the thing is, i'm needing only a few bytes of each
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<ljarvis>
what's the goal? why only a few bytes?
<jokke>
so the handshake really makes a difference
<jhass>
well, that snippet won't update itself either
<Takumo>
So I know you can't call Object#pry from within a pryrc, but how would I set it so that pry actually does pry within a specific context in a pryrc?
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<Takumo>
i.e. I want it do basically do MyApp.pry
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<dorei>
are there any alternatives to nokogiri for xpath queries?
<konsolebox>
jhass: it does everytime i choose another ruby. the value of Gem.bindir would vary
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<jhass>
dorei: oga I think
<jhass>
konsolebox: once you spawned a new shell, yeah
<dorei>
jhass: a devops friend of mine was about to kill me when i told him i'm using nokogiri
<jhass>
konsolebox: I bet the switcher you use doesn't remove the old one
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<mahtennek>
hi i have a question regarding unix socket. i am trying to create a callback mechanism with cloud foundry warden. any advice to where i should start? i have created a simple callback which access and return warden/container/linux.rb in the console, but i can't get a callback to web api. cloud foundry channel isn't responding. the second thought was, i tried to read /tmp/warden.sock unix socket but i have no luck with th
<mahtennek>
at either. i have searched the web and all resources, please advise.
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<konsolebox>
jhass: i'm in Gentoo. yes it doesn't. Ruby binaries are installed as ruby20, ruby21, etc. and /urs/bin/ruby only points to them. /usr/bin/ruby is the one that gets changed (and probably /usr/bin/gem as well).
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<hanmac1>
dorei: what did your devops friend say that you should use as replacement for nokogiri?
<konsolebox>
jhass: and i get to install gems exclusively to every version
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<dorei>
hanmac1: nothing unfortunately :(
<dorei>
oga seems quite okie though
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<hanmac1>
imo still do prefer nokogiri for my stuff because it does exacly do what it should do ...
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<hanmac1>
dorei: did your friend tell you a reason why you shouldnt use it? like because the name does sound to "foreign"?
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<dorei>
hanmac1: because of its need to pull a certain version of libxml and this causes a lot of problem with the automating the build procedure
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<hanmac1>
dorei: nokogiri does ship its own version of xml so it doesnt have dependencies like that anymore in newest version
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<dorei>
on my opensuse it failed, i have to use the options to tell it use my system's libxml
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<hanmac1>
normally it should work without
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<dorei>
probably i'll continue using nokogiri since what i'm making it'll only be deployed at my pc and another server
<dorei>
so no need to have it completely automated i think
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<umdstu>
every time I compile ruby-1.9.3 (via rvm) on my mac (10.10) it doesn't seem to be building with openssl. i've tried multiple ways to get this going. any ideas?
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<jhass>
why do you need 1.9.3 instead of 2.2.2?
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<maasha>
stupid rakefile
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* maasha
pissed off, huge, green and superstrong
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<maasha>
Gaaaar!
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* jhass
bets it'S not rake that's the issue
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<adaedra>
calm down, maasha
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<adaedra>
we're not in an Americal block-buster here
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<al2o3-cr>
mr mcgee don't make me angry. you wouldn't like me when i'm angry
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<mahtennek>
hi i have a question regarding unix socket. i am trying to create a callback mechanism with cloud foundry warden. any advice to where i should start? i have created a simple callback which access and return warden/container/linux.rb in the console, but i can't get a callback to web api. cloud foundry channel isn't responding. the second thought was, i tried to read /tmp/warden.sock unix socket
<mahtennek>
i have searched the web and all resources, please advise.
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<umdstu>
jhass: an older project uses 1.9.3, so i need to install 1.9.3. new Computer so i'm trying to recreate my dev env on it
<jhass>
mmh, is rvm pkg install openssl still a thing?
<umdstu>
yes it is
<umdstu>
i've tried that
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<umdstu>
it fails make install because the version i have in the internal rvm repo is 1.0.1i and it has bad docs. make install_sw works *outside* of the rvm pkg install method
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<umdstu>
so i tried installing it manually via rvm. and also built it from source, and used --with-openssl-dir=$HOME/.rvm/usr as well as --with-openssl-dir=/usr . both compile fine, but when i start irb and 'require openssl' it cries and says it cannot find it
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<umdstu>
i've tried 1.0.1m as well
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<shevy>
openssl is very annoying
<shevy>
not even ext/openssl works for me on linux
<shevy>
but it works when I recompile ruby
<shevy>
I dunno why ext/openssl does not work for me - ext/readline and other ext/ work fine lateron
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<ddv>
no idea bro
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<[k->
I heard that there is compile flag for openssl in ruby...
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<shevy>
I have faith in umdstu. In the end he will prevail
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<umdstu>
a compile flag? what kind of compile flag?
<umdstu>
i have no faith in umdstu
<umdstu>
he's been at it for days
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<jhass>
days? might have been easier to patch the app to a newer Ruby in that time :P
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<ruboto>
phale # => undefined method `&' for 0.0:Float (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/371307)
<shevy>
[k-_ I don't think there ever was a principle of least surprise, the pickaxe author coined that. there only was the principle of least surprise in regards to how matz would design ruby, from his point of view, not from other people's point of view
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<apeiros>
it's the principle of matz' least surprise. surprise are subjective. you can't make a universally "least surprising" thing.
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<phale>
apeiros: the biggest surprise for me was getting a girlfriend
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<shevy>
you have the money
<hanmac1>
jhass: yeah but on 64bit: 0.0.object_id == 0.0.object_id while -0.0.object_id != -0.0.object_id
<atmosphere>
for wriiting a wrapper of jruby we need ruby code or c code?
<phale>
atmosphere: read the manual? lol
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<atmosphere>
phale: i have reas it and found that ruby code is converted into java byte code/\
<atmosphere>
?
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<adaedra>
what do you mean by 'a wrapper', atmosphere
* apeiros
would have loved if ddd.ddd literals would default to bigdecimal or rational, though
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<apeiros>
especially newcomers fail hard at floats.
<adaedra>
performance issues, maybe?
<apeiros>
possible
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<ebonics>
pre sure anyone who cares about floating precision performance uses lookup tables
<eam>
weird rationalization for ruby :)
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<apeiros>
though bigdecimal is based on integers, and integer ops are on most hardware faster than floats. so not sure how it'd play out with the additional overhead the linked list introduces.
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<adaedra>
>> (0.1r+0.2r).to_f == (0.1+0.2)
<apeiros>
eam: well, even ruby was introduced 20y ago. they did concessions to performance.
<eam>
it used to, I think, but I no longer see jruby on eval-in
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<ruisantos>
e on most hardware faster than floats. so not sure how it'd play out with the additional overhead the linked list introduces.
<jhass>
maasha: --trace might tell!
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<jhass>
maasha: though I'm pretty sure your run_test method does nothing, the test task is probably defined elsewhere and you just amend it with that nothing
<ebonics>
whats that js lib that converts ruby to js
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<jhass>
opal ?
<adaedra>
JRuby seems to behave exactly like MRI for floats
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<maasha>
jhass: gitst updated with -P and -T output
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<eam>
adaedra: there are a very limited set of cases where it differs, such as handling of -0
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<jhass>
maasha: or maybe scary stuff happens like your definition by calling Rake::TestTask augments itself and then proceeds to call the augmented version by implementation details
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<adaedra>
eam: I see
<eam>
it's good enough for the layman, the kind of nits about it differing would matter in very limited areas
<dojobo>
currently i have them listed out, but once i implemented exception handling i really need to put it in a loop
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<dojobo>
can you use File over FTP?
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<jhass>
File.fnmatch just operates on the strings you pass it
<dojobo>
anyway, i have all that working, at this point i'm just trying to be able to loop through each file list and pair it with the proper wildcard
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<jhass>
filename.match(/^em1[234]/) if you prefer
<dojobo>
jhass: ah, i see, but there's still the issue of the nlst limitation (over a certain number of files, it just returns null--at least, with this particular ftp server)
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<jhass>
I'm still guessing too much of what you have and what you want in the end :/
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<dojobo>
sorry, i didn't paste the whole program because i was really just focused on why i couldn't iterate through the arrays that way
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<dojobo>
so is [filelist1['1foo.txt', '1bar.txt'] => '1*.txt'] a valid hash?
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<adaedra>
use {} for Hashes
<jhass>
eh, well, that's an hash as the single element for an array ;)
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<jhass>
but any object can be key and value for hash
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<adaedra>
dojobo: fire up irb/pry, write it down, see what it says
<jhass>
but my guesses currently go into the direction that you really don't want a hash here
<dojobo>
ok
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<jhass>
tbh the whole approach to iteration there is as unidiomatic and convoluted as it gets
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<jhass>
so, because of the limitation of nlist, you're fetching the file list in parts?
<dojobo>
yep
<jhass>
why don't you just concatenate the results into a big list then?
<dojobo>
and then i concat all the arrays into one
<jhass>
so why does your example still have multiple lists?
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<dojobo>
this is before the concatenation
<jhass>
why?
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<dojobo>
(the commented out lists are ranges we don't need to download right now, older files)
<jhass>
filelist = %w(em20* em21*).each_with_object([]) do |range, filelist| filelist.concat ftp.nlist(range) end
<dojobo>
but since the filenames keep going up, i want to be able to put more ranges in, but they need to be rescued because nlst raises an exception if no files match
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<dojobo>
wow, let me do some googling now to parse that, haha
<jhass>
and just rescue inside the each_with_object
<jhass>
btw ruby community standard is two spaces for indentation
<dojobo>
ok, thanks
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<dojobo>
need to adjust my sublime settings
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<jhass>
but I still don't follow where the filtering comes into place tbh
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<dojobo>
how do you mean?
<jhass>
well, your initial paste
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<dojobo>
that would replace lines 15-25
<dojobo>
once i added in the nlst to that paste, anyway
<jhass>
ah, okay, then my snippet is the better approach ;)
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<dojobo>
this is very educational, i can't parse it yet :)
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<jhass>
coming here when you hit oddities like this or if you have the feeling there might be a better way to what you've written is a good approach to learning
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<jhass>
nothing teaches you better than alternate solutions to a problem you thought through already
<dojobo>
i use stackoverflow a lot
<dojobo>
but with this particular problem i couldn't even decide how to google it ;P
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<dojobo>
jhass: i think it's faster now :)
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<jhass>
oh yeah, .concat is faster than + ;)
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<jhass>
because it doesn't create a new array
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<jhass>
but that wasn't so much the point ;)
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<Takumo>
(a) is there an rspec irc channel more suited for my question? (b) is there a `one_of` or `in` behaviour. I want to check that a function returns a value which is a member of a predefined list.
<dfockler>
I've never seen that array syntax before
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<shevy>
I think I saw it in the pickaxe first; since Strings and Arrays both allowed [], I thought it would be a good and unified way to access elements. like how a string is an array in C or?
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<dfockler>
that's pretty funky for assignment
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<sorbo_>
Managing Humans is also supposed to be good
<sorbo_>
though I haven't read it
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<lupine>
I'm much more used to reading about software. wetware is confusing to me
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<dfockler>
so #ruby-lang is closing and coming over here?
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<lupine>
end of an era
<jhass>
dfockler: yup
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<miah>
as far as books; Eloquent Ruby, Refactoring: Ruby (and get the workbook called 'Refactoring In Ruby'), Growing Object Oriented Software guided by Tests
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<miah>
if you need more intro level, i'd go with The Well Grounded Rubyist and Practical Object Oriented Design in Ruby
<Coraline>
I also like Avdi's book "Confident Ruby"
<miah>
any of avdi's books
<lupine>
POODR is more or less a bible
<lupine>
it's really the wetware I need to learn abou
<lupine>
....t
<miah>
netware is dead yo
<sorbo_>
yeah ++ for POODR
<sorbo_>
Peopleware is the best human-managing one I've read
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<sorbo_>
there are probably some good reddit or SO threads on this
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<miah>
im not good at humans, they are impossible to unit test and contain all sorts of unique/snowflake code
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<lupine>
I'll chuck it on the list
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<lupine>
Anyone read Coders at Work ?
<miah>
i read some of it
<miah>
you can probably read most of the interviews online too
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<Bermulium>
Hey. For regular expressions, what's the difference between testing with == and =~
<shevy>
isn't == more stringent?
<imperator2>
== is exact, =~ is pattern matching
<sorbo_>
Bermulium: == is equality, =~ is regex match
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<miah>
and #eql? is preferred.
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<Bermulium>
so /A/ is only equal to /A/ for == ? while /A/ can be equal to /A/ and 'A' with =~
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<Bermulium>
Also /A/i =~ 'a'
<elev>
can someone here help me?
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<elev>
def talk puts "hello" end
<elev>
someone wrong with that code?
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<lupine>
elev, if all on one line, you'd need some semicolons
<jhass>
?try elev
<ruboto>
elev, Why don't you try it and see for yourself?
<miah>
not if you add some line breaks or semicolons
<lupine>
otherwise, it does what it says
<sorbo_>
elev: assuming you have a newline after `def talk` and another after `puts "hello"`
<sorbo_>
that is correct
<elev>
I try
<sorbo_>
if it's one line, you need to separate with ;
<sorbo_>
do community cookbooks suffer from the same disease that afflicts puppet forge modules, where no one has successfully 100% abstracted their code away from their particular use case?
<shevy>
ack rubocop hates me
<miah>
shevy: yes
<sorbo_>
so there's always shit missing or shit baked in that you don't watn?
<miah>
er, sorry
<miah>
sorbo_: yes
<sorbo_>
s/watn/want/
<sorbo_>
yeah
<nmedic89>
Hey guys. I'm trying to help my friend with Ruby and I'm trying to import the code she is using. Same code works for her, but when I want to use submit form she developed, I get "No route matches [GET]". Is that a problem with Ruby configuration or problem is with routes.rb ?
<failshell>
like that aweful runit that's plaguing all cookbooks
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<failshell>
and all those ubuntu specific hacks
<miah>
because most chef stuff boils down to an abstraction via resources in a ordered run_list
<sorbo_>
I mean we joke about software development being a hilariously young discipline (it is), but for DevOps even moreso
<nmedic89>
And Yeah, I'm using Ruby 2.1.0 and Rails 4.1
<miah>
instead of building an abstraction based around a resource
<sorbo_>
nmedic89: what framework are you using (e.g. Rails, Sinatra)?
<sorbo_>
ah ok
<nmedic89>
Rails
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<havenwood>
nmedic89: The best place for Rails questions is actually the #RubyOnRails channel.
<sorbo_>
^
<havenwood>
?rails nmedic89
<ruboto>
nmedic89, Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
<Eiam_>
hmm, how does one setup exception notification in a rake task if you aren't in Rails?
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<Eiam_>
the "use" function isn't a part of Rake (but is Sinatra)
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<Eiam_>
so "use ExceptionNotification::Rack" makes no sense in the context of task :blah do
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<Eiam_>
everything seems to assume I'm in a :Application.configure block
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<apeiros>
Eiam_: if it isn't documented - take a look at ExceptionNotification::Rack's code
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<apeiros>
you'll need to wrap your code in begin/rescue/end and invoke the code ExceptionNotification::Rack uses to notify you about exceptions.
<Eiam_>
yeah its all assuming im in a confg block to begin with. but all my rake tasks just have an :environments task that sets up env since sinatra/rack isn't present during a rake task
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<Eiam_>
okay reading code now
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<apeiros>
(as it should, so still my question "why should it not return nil?")
<baweaver>
As much as I dislike the concept of nil, that is intended behavior of the language.
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<apeiros>
I somewhat suspect you're confusing "Test.\nStart" with "Test. Start". But IMO no point in riddling without an answer to my question.
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<sorbo_>
"If =~ is used with a regexp literal with named captures, captured strings (or nil) is assigned to local variables named by the capture names."
<jhass>
ljarvis: +1 from me, certainly an improvement
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<mib_mib>
does anyone here use codeship?
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<zodiak>
how do I deal with daemons running under Foreman ? it seems that it's jst generating a tonne of threads (ps -eLF | grep -i 'name' | wc is increasing every run/pass)
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<kinduff>
mib_mib: i do
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<mib_mib>
kinduff: for a rails project (connected to mysql) - i need to set a variable in the my.cnf and restart mysql - do you know how i'd go about doing that? codeship doesn't seem to allow sudo
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<dojobo>
weaksauce++
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* dudedudeman
wishes he was ruby aware
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<dfockler>
dudedudeman: like neo?
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<dudedudeman>
haaaaaa
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<dudedudeman>
if I have a ruby script that checks all of my files for something, and i want to that script to email with the results every monday morning, would a cron job be best suited for that?
<apeiros>
define "best". it's certainly a good option.
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<centrx>
Sounds like a cron job
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<jhass>
or a systemd timer if you're running that
<dudedudeman>
would a cron job be well suited*, that might be a better way to work that apeiros
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<dudedudeman>
jhass: i'm not familiar with that
<dudedudeman>
are those the .timer files?
<jhass>
is your /bin/init systemd?
<eam>
definitely a job for resque
<jhass>
yep
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<dudedudeman>
i don't have a bin/init
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<dudedudeman>
not on the machine i'm working with at least
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<jhass>
well, I mean whether your init daemon is systemd
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<dudedudeman>
ah, it is, jhass
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<dudedudeman>
but now that eam mentions it, resque would be awesome, because it would be a good thing to learn and have knowledge of
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<bootstrappm>
resque is awesome but it seems a bit overkill for this one
<jhass>
yeah, complete overkill
<eam>
extremely tounge in cheek suggestion btw
<dudedudeman>
dammit..
<jhass>
I'd go with a systemd timer unit
<jhass>
man systemd.timer
<jhass>
gives nice introspection
<eam>
dudedudeman: but if you want to do it to learn, go nuts
<dudedudeman>
i'm nuts about learning, that's for sure
<dudedudeman>
i have a hard time buckling down and deciding on exactly what i want to focus on sometimes, because it all fascinates me
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<bootstrappm>
for anybody that has used the whenever gem, does it just run a daemon all the time that does the requested action when the time is right or is there some kind of magic startup sequence?
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<dudedudeman>
i'll need to look that up, too
<jhass>
the whenever gem just generates a crontab
<dudedudeman>
jhass: thanks for the man on this. i always forget about those
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<bootstrappm>
i love man
<bootstrappm>
platonically, of course
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<shevy>
lol
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<shevy>
you mean the dudedudeman man
<dudedudeman>
shevy: you do any dude'ing today?
<dudedudeman>
ha, you just did
<shevy>
come to think about it, your nick should be dudedudemanman
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<shevy>
but I can't go down that rabbit hole, it makes my brain quite fuzzy
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<dudedudeman>
mine is already fuzzy. send help
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<dfockler>
does anyone know a way to return an arbitrary HTTP status in sinatra?
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* dudedudeman
off to systemd world....
* bootstrappm
off to s3 Cache-Expires header world...
<bootstrappm>
send cookies please, I'll likely be there a while
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<blogjy>
what is a good way of installing the latest ruby on ubuntu 14.04.2 LTC apt-get install ruby-full says ruby 1.9.1
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<bootstrappm>
blogjy install rvm, then install latest ruby
<bootstrappm>
right now latest stable is 2.2.0 on rvm
<bootstrappm>
you could also install 2.2-head or ruby-head
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<shevy>
blogjy I guess ubuntu makes it not easy for you to change their ruby version
<shevy>
dfockler by default, most packages are compiled with the --prefix option set to /usr; the main exceptions are due to the arbitrary FHS, such as for packages that have / as prefix; notably all that are in /bin and /lib; these normally are glibc-related packages, sometimes readline too (no idea why), libblkid, firmware, hardware, linux-related modules, sometimes udev or xtable etc...
<Aeyrix>
There's a really good Wikipedia article on this.
<eam>
shevy: it's the essential parts necessary to bring up the rest of the system, so /usr can be mounted potentially on remote storage
<jhass>
many distros move to everything in /usr, /lib, /bin etc becomes symlinks to their /usr/ variants
<Aeyrix>
Unix Filesystem Hierarchy.
<Aeyrix>
Arch does that yeah
<jhass>
Fedora too, no?
<Aeyrix>
I believe so.
<eam>
most are giving up on the concept
<jhass>
wouldn't be surprised if Ubuntu will pick it up
<dfockler>
I was reading an article, where it was saying /usr/sbin or something is basically because of tradition
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<shevy>
dfockler well that is the /usr prefix
<eam>
dfockler: sbin would hold programs that only root or administrators would run
<jhass>
oh, yeah, /usr/sbin is just a symlink to /usr/bin for me now too
<shevy>
whether the distinction to bin or sbin makes sense is another question
<eam>
it's mostly a pointless distinction now that everyone has their own computer
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<dfockler>
anyone here still timesharing their unix system?
<shevy>
dfockler but that is really minor. What I found more confusing was that /etc always was decoupled from the --prefix option
<eam>
dfockler: well sure, everyone is
<dfockler>
with one person?
<eam>
there's half a dozen processes running as half a dozen users at any given time
<jhass>
VPS? PaaS? shared hosting?
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<shevy>
I even have a /usr/etc directory here... I do not know why
<eam>
not controlled by humans, of course
<KayKayKay>
Now I am a professional Game proGrammER!
<shevy>
:)
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<dfockler>
jhass: those are virtual separated though right?
<eam>
dfockler: not shared hosting
<jhass>
they're sharing the same resources
<jhass>
in openvz stuff even the same kernel
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<Aeyrix>
Don't even talk to me about vz
<Aeyrix>
-1/20,000
<jhass>
and PaaS stuff is basically all containers now
<Aeyrix>
D-
<Aeyrix>
See me after class.
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<KayKayKay>
WHat Is ThE best PasswOrd Wordlist Editor in Ruby?
<jhass>
KayKayKay: your shift key seems broken
<KayKayKay>
kinDa
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<dfockler>
so sources.list is just a place where your package manager can look for packages to download?
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<pipework>
dfockler: Please consult your local distro channel.
<pipework>
#ubuntu, #debian, etc.
<dfockler>
thanks, will do
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<KayKayKay>
dfockler try usiNg the termInal to install proGrams and Go to thE docs and Read them to know how they work!
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<pipework>
KayKayKay: You seem to have more troubling matters at hand with that wonky upcasing.
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<dfockler>
It's like KayKayKay is the Joker, pretty scary
<KayKayKay>
what do you mean pipework
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<KayKayKay>
your mom makes the best Cookies Undoubtedly iN The neighborhood!
<Radar>
!kick KayKayKay Bad nick
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<Radar>
Thanks I've been wanting to try that out.
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<TripleK>
good nick op?
<Aeyrix>
I did tell you
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<Aeyrix>
Like
<pipework>
It was just a kick though.
<Aeyrix>
10 minutes ago
<Aeyrix>
Change it to SpecialK
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<Aeyrix>
And then we'll be happy
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<shevy>
short nicks are the best
<pipework>
Radar: ineffective kick was ineffective, btw
<shevy>
"To this end, we will maintain Atheme 7.2 as a suitable base for forking until October 31, 2015, with all services terminating on October 31, 2016."
<pipework>
Pls read
<shevy>
IRC is dying!
<Aeyrix>
R I P
<Aeyrix>
to the services you used to be
<Aeyrix>
your days are over
<jhass>
well, doesn't mean it's bad
<Aeyrix>
baby it's over
<shevy>
we may be here for the last year
<Aeyrix>
shevy: Nah, there's work on new stuff.
<Aeyrix>
Also Anope.
<jhass>
or it will suddenly stop working beyond that date
<Radar>
jhass: neat :)
<shevy>
I expect the worst
<Aeyrix>
jhass: Oh you've never met the Atheme devs, have you?
<shevy>
before #ruby-lang and #ruby can be merged
<Aeyrix>
They'll probably release a 0day.
<shevy>
freenode will die ...
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<jhass>
Aeyrix: want my honest opinion? I think you're the type that desperately seeks reasons to claim loudly how shitty everything people do is
<shevy>
hmm they don't note down there on that readme what they are working now
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<shevy>
*working on now
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<Aeyrix>
jhass says, claiming that nobody can code a bot capable of tracking the time.
<Aeyrix>
shevy: They aren't.
<pipework>
jhass: My honest opinion at the moment is that you seem to be desperately refusing to accept that maybe your approach wasn't best and you don't sound remotely interested in exploring the possibility that there are other people here who just know better.
<jhass>
uhm, I say we use ChanServ because we trust it's very capable of that
<Aeyrix>
They abandoned Tethys, the new version of Charybdis (which ircd-seven, freenode's base).
<Aeyrix>
jhass: No.
<pipework>
Just a thought.
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<shevy>
ircd-seven hmm
<Aeyrix>
*shrugs*
<Aeyrix>
w/e
<eam>
here's a thought, the discussion about how to manage this channel is now generating more offtopic spam than the troll was
<jhass>
it might be the 4 hours of sleep I had today, but I honestly don't understand the claim that it's more noisy than the alternatives
<Aeyrix>
I don't really care.
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<pipework>
eam: And complaining about complaining is only adding to that!
<Aeyrix>
I just suggested a better way but jhass took it as a personal attack.
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<shevy>
you guys are still at it!
<Aeyrix>
I apologise, jhass, for considering that you might not be the ultimate font of knowledge about IRC.
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<Aeyrix>
It's not like I've been working with it at a protocol level for six years.
<pipework>
jhass: It is measurably noisier. I don't care to prove it to you, but I will leave you with this phrase, "Flood joins", and hope you reach some enlightenment on the issue.
<shevy>
come on guys
<Aeyrix>
shevy: Both of us are done now.
<Aeyrix>
Clearly we know less.
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<jhass>
Aeyrix: you feel personally attacked by me, so I won't enforce it personally, but I'd like you to remind you of our channel rules http://ruby-community.com/pages/user_rules Don't even discuss, I'll put you on ignore now, too tired of your attitude
<Aeyrix>
there it is
<Aeyrix>
the channel rules
<Aeyrix>
also no jhass
<Aeyrix>
it was the other way around
<Aeyrix>
:x
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<pipework>
Your channel, your rules. Too bad the ops here aren't aware of freenode's policy on catalysts. :(
<Aeyrix>
Too bad jhass can't read.
<eam>
some really unfortunate personalities on display here
<Aeyrix>
I clearly said *he* felt attacked, not me.
<Aeyrix>
pipework: Maybe the channel should move to EsperNet.
<pipework>
Aeyrix: It's not really something that can be done officially without ruby-lang.org being changed to reflect that.
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<Aeyrix>
pipework: I was being sarcastic, have you actually used EsperNet?
<pipework>
But surely other networks might have such channels.
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<pipework>
Aeyrix: Nope, can't say I have.
<Aeyrix>
Nobody can suggest that network in good conscience.
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<shevy>
You did!
<pipework>
I've had a good time with undernet and a couple small networks, but freenode is usually where I hang out.
<Aeyrix>
shevy: Not in good conscience! :D
<Aeyrix>
pipework: Undernet. \o/
<al2o3-cr>
why can't i have unless here: URI.extract(data, /http|https/).map {|url| Nokogiri(open(url)).title rescue nil }.select {|url| unless url.nil? }
<shevy>
I only used to know GalaxyNet. Lots of people from Singapore, writing in singlish-chinese mixed variant.
<pipework>
al2o3-cr: Because you don't need it.
<Aeyrix>
EFNet / Undernet / Freenode / Rizon
<al2o3-cr>
pipework: what just url.nil?
<shevy>
al2o3-cr you can reformulate anyway; select or reject; and rather than unless, use ! or no !
<Aeyrix>
plus my own smaller net
<al2o3-cr>
shevy: ah lemme try
<pipework>
Change the block for the select to {|url| url }
<pipework>
or switch to #reject {|url| url.nil? }
<shevy>
yeah
<al2o3-cr>
pipework: ok
<shevy>
select is even shorter
<shevy>
or .compact actually
<shevy>
hmm
<al2o3-cr>
ah reject did no thinking thanks pipework shevy
<al2o3-cr>
*it
<shevy>
\o/
<pipework>
Aeyrix: I guess I have shortly joined EFNet before.
<pipework>
shevy: #compact doesn't get rid of all falsy objects though.
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<xxneolithicxx>
to javascript or not to javascript, thats the new ugly question
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<pipework>
xxneolithicxx: But job requires 25 years of JS experience.
<xxneolithicxx>
lol
<xxneolithicxx>
lmao
<xxneolithicxx>
that was too funny for no reason
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<pipework>
xxneolithicxx: It was meant to be depressing. :(
<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
25 years was too much to sound depressing
<bootstrappm>
i missed all the fun / noise too
<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
now it's so quiet again
<xxneolithicxx>
i have to learn nodejs and as i was googling, i was like damn, the amount of Javascript around here is just too damn high
<shevy>
javascript is killing ruby xxneolithicxx
<xxneolithicxx>
.js this .js that
<bootstrappm>
IMO it was a mixture of condescension and stubbornness from a hurt ego, glad its over
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<bootstrappm>
though the condescension is more irritating to tell you the truth
<pipework>
io.js is nice though
<bootstrappm>
javascript + node is fun .... just not for everything
<pipework>
As far as reactor-based noise goes.
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<dorei>
javascript is a monument of backward compatibility stupidity
<Radar>
dorei: Do you have any opinions about JS you would like to share? I am sensing this might be the case.
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<Aeyrix>
Dart is better.
<bootstrappm>
surprising how much JS comes up in this channel
<Aeyrix>
Rails.
<bootstrappm>
Potatoes.
<shevy>
lol
<pipework>
Mmm dart is so cool.
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<shevy>
Dart is the best thing ever.
<pipework>
They're all, "Nah, you don't need to worry about cross-browser. We'll take care of that." Signed, the best core team ever.
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<xxneolithicxx>
^ exactly why i stayed away from web development
<xxneolithicxx>
oh your CSS works in this browser but not that one... good luck with that buddy
<Aeyrix>
That's why we use shitty JS hacks.
<Aeyrix>
OBVIOUSLY
<pipework>
If I wasn't preoccupied with drinking away the depression that comes with not enough places using dart, I'd use the money I spend on booze to singlehandedly keep the gift basket industry afloat with baskets being sent to the core team on the daily.
<Aeyrix>
lmao
<bootstrappm>
had a friend at my ex job that was a maaaster of CSS, new all the browser hacks
* Aeyrix
is well versed in that horrible labyrinth.
<xxneolithicxx>
it almost feels like a gravitation to less and less sophisticated languages in the hopes of boosting coding productivity among so so coders
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