<sarid>
aewffwea: it's not possible natively, but since you're using an interpreter, you can simulate it
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<aewffwea>
sarid: I still don't think that you can implement threads in DOS
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<aewffwea>
sarid: You might be able to implement Fibers though
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<havenwood>
aewffwea: You can have green threads in a VM that don't map one-to-one to system threads, a la Ruby 1.8.
<mozzarella>
why not? it could have its own scheduler and probably does
<four04>
For some reason, my installation of Ruby fails whenever I try to run bundler. It says: "undefined symbol: rb_Digest_SHA1_Init", yet I that symbol exists in the file it's trying to load from.
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<four04>
Has anyone else had this problem before?
<four04>
If so, how did you fix it?
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<havenwood>
four04: What OS/distro and how'd you install Ruby?
<sarid>
aewffwea: since the interpreter would be the only program running, it's up to it to do so
<Papierkorb>
well, you could also get to protected mode, install your IDT, configure the cpu to fire int 0 (or so) every so often, and then you can do scheduling :P
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<four04>
havenwood: Fedora, and I've tried multiple different ways of installation, the most recent (and current) is RVM
<four04>
Just via `rvm install 2.2.2`
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<havenwood>
four04: What do you get for?: rvm current
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<four04>
havenwood: ruby-2.2.2
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<havenwood>
four04: Run: rvm requirements
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<four04>
havenwood: Checking requirements for fedora.Requirements installation successful.
<sarid>
they're just not used by anyone because they're so slow
<four04>
havenwood: I have openssl-devel installed on my system, and, as I said, the symbol exists inside of the shared-object file in that directory
<Papierkorb>
sarid: then just stick to ring0 ..
<four04>
havenwood: It's just not getting loaded for some reason.
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<havenwood>
four04: What do you get for `which bundle` and `gem which bundler`?
<havenwood>
four04: (Just confirming you've installed the bundler gem with ruby-2.2.2.)
<four04>
havenwood: `which bundle` yields `~/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.2/bin/bundle`, and `gem which bundler` yields `/home/kristofer/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.2/gems/bundler-1.9.6/lib/bundler.rb`
<havenwood>
four04: looks good
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<sarid>
Papierkorb: so, in order to use DOS, we need to build an OS ontop and have DOS load it
<havenwood>
four04: What's your?: openssl version
<four04>
havenwood: `openssl version` yields `OpenSSL 1.0.1k-fips 8 Jan 2015`
<Papierkorb>
sarid: Just say that it's nothing big and just a hobby project and see it rise to the olymp of operating systems. "We have gems" or something.
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<sarid>
all my projects are hobby projects because as soon as they become professional and all, you have to hire a project manager and that is a sure-fire way to make it fail
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<sarid>
alright, i need to go off to do something super secret
<four04>
havenwood: I'm thinking that it might be something borked related to how something internal is loading that SO, but not sure
<havenwood>
four04: I would update your openssl package and reinstall 2.2.2.
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<havenwood>
four04: sudo yum update openssl-devel
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<four04>
havenwood: Yeah, I've tried that... :) No update seems to be available to openssl, since it's at 1.0.1 and it seems that that's a recent enough version
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<havenwood>
four04: You could `rvm pkg install openssl` but I don't know why that'd be necessary - it should link against your package.
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<four04>
havenwood: I'll give it a try, then reinstall Ruby. Just a moment
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<four04>
havenwood: Okay, that installation of openssl just worked, recompiling Ruby...
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<four04>
havenwood: Nope, still get the same error. :/
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<xxneolithicxx>
its not looking for the lib in a standard OS path so maybe you need the devel version installed so that ruby can compile a local version
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<four04>
xxneolithicxx: I've got the development version (v1.0.1) installed locally. For some reason it just seems that the whole digesting thing is not working.
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<four04>
I just tested requiring `digest/md5` and it doesn't work either.
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<four04>
Just had an idea: maybe I should rebuild with my C_INCLUDE_PATH, CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH, LIBRARY_PATH, and PKG_CONFIG_PATH unset.
<four04>
I have to relog for that though
<four04>
I'll report back shortly
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<four04>
Yeah, that didn't fix it.
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<havenwood>
four04: C_INCLUDE_PATH was for sure unset? :O
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<havenwood>
four04: Just a sanity check, but?: ruby -r openssl -e "puts OpenSSL::OPENSSL_VERSION"
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<four04>
Hmm no, maybe unsetting C_INCLUDE_PATH did work
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<Eiam_>
hmm, is there a way to make things from my rack (def call(env) ) method available in sinatra? for some reason I thought defining something like @user inside of some middleware would pass it along but, its not present when it hits my sinatra route. the middle ware is called however
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<Eiam_>
redis rack session
<Eiam_>
got it.
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<__lamer__>
hello
<__lamer__>
hii
<__lamer__>
How can I setup my own personal website
<__lamer__>
Should I buy vps or heroku?
<Ropeney>
amazon free tier?
* sevenseacat
watches
<__lamer__>
Ropeney: to me??
<Ropeney>
yes
<__lamer__>
whom ur telling? Ropeney
<__lamer__>
Ropeney: I never heard about it. Can you please be clear is it free?
<Ropeney>
yes its free
<__lamer__>
if free willlit be secure?
<Ropeney>
yes its amazon
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<Ropeney>
if you secure your vps
<Ropeney>
of course
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* Nilium
likes Digital Ocean.
<__lamer__>
Ropeney: I am not understanding....I don't have a vps and when i asked should I buy vps or heroku u said amazon free tier and again u say vps I am confusd
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<Nilium>
Nice for budget-y stuff, in particular.
<Ropeney>
amazon offer a free tier vps, __lamer__
<Nilium>
VPS doesn't really mean anything vs heroku.
<Nilium>
That said, I wouldn't use Heroku for anything.
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<Ropeney>
^ +!
<sevenseacat>
i've used it for test sites
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<__lamer__>
Ropeney: Ropeney I want to have personal blog + pastebin + any other page is it possible with free account of amazon?
<Ropeney>
the free account is a low grade vps, you asked about VPS before so i assume you know what can be done with one
<Nilium>
Why not just use GitHub Pages and Gist?
<sevenseacat>
i love github pages.
<sevenseacat>
my blog is there.
<Nilium>
Mine isn't, but it's a good option to consider.
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<Nilium>
In unrelated news or tangentionally related because it involves an acronym with the VP prefix, I set up a VPN for all of my machines to communicate across.
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<__lamer__>
sevenseacat: show me ur blog in github
<__lamer__>
I mean github pages
<sevenseacat>
__lamer__: it's in a private repo. the public url is http://sevenseacat.net
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<Nilium>
Also put my VPN in FreeBSD because I can now do that on Digital Ocean ಠ_ಠ
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<Nilium>
bsd4evar
<Ropeney>
bsd4never
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<Nilium>
gtfo
* sevenseacat
notices a css bug in blog and fixes it
<Nilium>
I'd bet my blog has all sorts of interesting CSS bugs I'll never fix
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<__lamer__>
Nilium: whom ur saying gtfo?
<Nilium>
The heathen.
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* sevenseacat
wonders what else to put on blog
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<Nilium>
All the stuff I'd want to put on my blog would be work-related, and I can't talk about that.
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<Nilium>
I could probably talk about our office's switch to git, but it wouldn't be 100% positive and therefore wouldn't go over well with anyone above me.
<sevenseacat>
yeah i had most of a blog post written up at my previous job about upgrading an old app from ruby 1.8.7 to 2.2, and rails 3.0 to rails 3.2, but most of it ended up making the company look bad so it got nixed
<__lamer__>
sevenseacat: ur other of some book. Great and Congrats
<__lamer__>
Nilium: ok
<sevenseacat>
because the code was a clusterfuck
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<Nilium>
All of my code at work is beautiful and great.
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<Nilium>
It's just those other people ruining it. ಠ_ಠ
* Nilium
rolls his eyes to indicate obvious sarcasm.
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<sevenseacat>
:P
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<sevenseacat>
i'm great at writing code to meet the requirements i have right now. not so great at writing code not to fuck up with the requirements i get tomorrow
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<Nilium>
I'm good at writing code in a vacuum, which is thankfully what a lot of my work involves since I can build things that are isolated from the rest of our systems.
<sevenseacat>
nice
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<Nilium>
It's once they start interacting that it becomes a real hellstorm, since everything I write is a long-running process and what everyone else writes is PHP. So, communication sucks.
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<Nilium>
*long-running Go process
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<sevenseacat>
go is one i'm not interested in at all
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<heftig>
well, if you hash the array using a commutative hash function, you can at least get a quicker negative
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<bMalum>
Whats is a best practise way for a Configuration in a ruby gem?
<adaedra>
Hi
<certainty>
izzol: do tell, once you found out.
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<shevy>
izzol I usually start the other way - there is a name for an algorithm, I try to remember it, and afterwards, I try to understand what it means
<shevy>
like the Levensthein distance
<shevy>
hmm *Levenshtein?
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<shevy>
certainty how long does it take you to become "fully ready" after you wake up? In regards to being able to write (bugfree!) code
<certainty>
shevy: i can't write bugfree code most of the time
<shevy>
hehe
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<certainty>
at least not right from the start
<certainty>
it takes some iterations
<adaedra>
I don't think there is a time you can write absolutely bug-free code
<certainty>
yes i was disregarding certain classes of bugs
<adaedra>
Your brain *will* fuck up.
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<certainty>
i can however produce code that behaves intentionally most of the time :D
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<shevy>
adaedra well there are blogs about "the zone"
<adaedra>
The danger zone?
<shevy>
when you are in "the zone", you are assumed to work better or more efficiently than when you are not "in the zone"
<shevy>
the danger zone is when it is time to go to the toilet urgently
<adaedra>
Better != Perfect
<certainty>
of course i'm talking about non trivial code. Trivial code like sum x y = x + y is left out. Under the assumption that it terminates, it will work correctly
<shevy>
now we know how bugs can happen when certainty codes!
<shevy>
"it will work correctly"
<shevy>
"This dragon is only level 5. What could possibly happen to us?"
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<certainty>
shevy: but to answer your question, it depends on the project but on the bigger projects here it takes 15 - 30 minutes to zone in
<shevy>
Anyway, my brain is insanely slow to boot up. I feel dizzy for quite a long while after having awoken.
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<shevy>
hmm
<certainty>
that's not after i woke up
<shevy>
certainty any distractions? like listening to music or so?
<certainty>
i start working roughly 2 hours after i woke up
<shevy>
ok
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<certainty>
shevy: depends on the problem to solve. If it's hard i can't use distractions. If it's relatively straight forward i like to listen to music
* adaedra
look for his headphones
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<ypasmk>
hey guys what is the use of the * in ruby …
<shevy>
ypasmk well it is hard to define what is best but you can multiply stuff with it
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<certainty>
doesn't look too good
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<albipri>
certainty: Do you have any suggestion? I thought that the “codyfauser/ebay” was the better choise but it’s a bit old… 5 years ago the last commit
<certainty>
albipri: nope, i have no experience with these things
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<albipri>
certainty: Okay.. Thanks anyway
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<Astrologos_>
let's say i have an array ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], how could I enumerate it every 2 items? ie to the enumeration should give 'a', 'c'
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<djellemah>
>> %w[a b c d].each_slice(2).map{|i,_| i}
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<dANO>
Hi, I created a script in ruby or I get a variable time and after I use the .change function to change this date my problem is that I get an error: undefined method `change 'for 2015-05-04 14 : 09: 44 0200: Time. Should it require "time" at the beginning of my script or something like that to not read this error?
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<ddv>
dANO: what is there not to understand? Time doesn't have such a method
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<ddv>
dANO: ah you are using rails?
<dANO>
ddv: I'm sorry, I want to post my message in the RubyOnRails chan
<dANO>
Sorry about that
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<t4nk784>
so what exactly is this? I know this sounds like a dumb question, but I was told this is a good place to start learning or understanding ruby and ruby on rails
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<tobiasvl>
learning ruby, yes
<tobiasvl>
for rails, #rubyonrails is better
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<t4nk784>
gotcha that make sense
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<t4nk784>
i started learning ruby on rails but my mind was blown. so i decided grasping ruby better would be best
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<ddv>
t4nk784: learn by doing
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<dudedudeman>
Happy Monday to you and yours
<dudedudeman>
may your rubies be awesome and your code run straight and true
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<dudedudeman>
i almost said rubles?
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<adaedra>
Why do I use p in pry -_-
<mwlang>
Do you take avantage of Ruby’s truthy and falsey evaluations for non-boolean values to enhance code readability? This is something I’ve been re-thinking my position on lately. Traditionally if I know a parameter expects a boolean, that’s what I pass, but last week, I made a slight change to make boolean params optional at the end of the function call and then pass in symbolically named intents like this:
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<mwlang>
in particular, the line “set_property :roles, :b035, :repeatable, :unique” means, “set the property ‘roles’ to the ‘b035’ xml tag. it is repeatable but should only have unique values”
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<ytti>
i use non-false/nil value as truthy value pretty often
<ytti>
i think it's somewhat obvious from context if it helps readability or not
<ytti>
i don't subscribe to absolute coding rules
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<mwlang>
ytti: I think some of my habits stem from my history as I started with compiled languages long before interpreted languages.
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<mwlang>
what’s hard for me to tell is whether the above construct is in fact more readable to the “uninitiated” who comes behind me to read that code.
<mwlang>
on the one hand, if I were passing “true, true” the developer has to look up the implementation of the set_property method to determine why “true, true” On the other hand if I pass “:repeatable, :unique” they may go hunting for those symbols to see what they signify and only later realize they were solely to represent intent in this context.
<ytti>
mwlang, i think in your example it greatly enchances readability
<ytti>
and i would write it same way
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<mwlang>
ytti: thanks your feedback.
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<Raverix>
Hello, I'm getting an error, "Incomplete response received from application" and unfortunately I cannot seem to find a solution that works for me from google, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. This is a working ruby on rails project that works locally, that I'm trying to get running on a new server. Fresh install of everything, so I have a feeling is a mis configuration issue.
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<emilkarl>
yep..
<shevy>
in regards to boolean values, I often initialize a variable to nil on startup, and lateron set it to other values; I usually bundle that into a method called reset()
<emilkarl>
great thanks C0deMaver1ck
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<emilkarl>
will collect return array even if there are no missions?
<mwlang>
shevy: I agree. however, I’m questioning whether I’m taking a step towards simpler code or away in my example?
<adaedra>
missions.collect(&:get_items) may be shorter
<emilkarl>
an empty array.
<shevy>
well
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<shevy>
the simplest code is the one that never has to be written :)
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<emilkarl>
lol
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<mwlang>
Raverix: check that you have a config/secrets.yml file in place.
<shevy>
mwlang I often feel the same when I look at rails code
<mwlang>
Raverix: I often see this one when deploying a rails app the first time on a server.
<shevy>
there are so many special things that one has to know ... class Foo; do_this :bla; do_that :ble; make_love :ok; not_war :yippie; end
<C0deMaver1ck>
emilkarl: yes
<shevy>
yeah. very rails inspired
<shevy>
they change ruby!
<Raverix>
mwlang: I'll confirm.
<Raverix>
mwlang: Thank you
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<emilkarl>
but…concat combines the arrays
<emilkarl>
get items returns an array as well
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<mwlang>
shevy: yeah, I think I’ve been silently influenced by such forces as Rails and indeed, I’ve been deep in Rails’ bowels the last couple of months.
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<emilkarl>
so collect doesnt seem to combines all the arrays into one but instead creating one array of multiple arrays.
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<Raverix>
mwlang: I definitely do not have a config/secrets.yml... what should be in that file?
<Raverix>
mwlang: Looking through it now, I do not have this locally, and it runs, so perhaps it's set up differently?
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<adaedra>
iirc, default secrets.yml ask you to have your secret key as environment variable in production mode.
<mwlang>
Raverix: I don’t think Rails enforces the requirement of the secrets until you run in production mode.
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<mwlang>
Raverix: this is actually one of my gripes about Rails in general…stuff that works in development, stops working when you deploy…secrets.yml’s presence is one such issue, asset pipelines not pre-compiling correctly is another.
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<mwlang>
Raverix: what I saw in your file was that you set the key only on development environment. If the code’s deployed to server, you’re likely running production mode rather than development.
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<Raverix>
mwlang: My vhost has this: RailsEnv development
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<mwlang>
for now, populating the file directly with the keys in all position and then work your way backwards to a “proper” deployment is the way to go. Also, you can check the nginx or apache logs along with the app’s logs to see what specifically is failing.
<Raverix>
mwlang:I've aded your file, and restarted apache, same error.
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<adaedra>
is there a method to swap keys and values in a map?
<mwlang>
Raverix: time to start digging into the log files then.
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<mwlang>
Raverix: btw, you might get more help in the #rubyonrails channel
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<Raverix>
mwlang: Thanks for the tip.
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<cc>
oh
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<adaedra>
If I have a line that may throw, but I want to just ignore the throw, is suffixing it with `rescue true` acceptable or is there a better way®?
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<gambl0re>
if i want to run rspec do i put my .rb files in the same folder as the spec_helper file?
<adaedra>
yep
<adaedra>
this is the test folder that you will pass to rspec
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<gambl0re>
i tried that but its still not working.
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<jhass>
adaedra: well yes, but I think it's an antipattern
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<jhass>
modifier-rescue doesn't allow you to specify the type of exceptions that you expect
<gambl0re>
home/ricky/.rvm/rubies/ruby-2.2.2/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.2.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:54:in `require': cannot load such file -- spec_helper (LoadError)
<jhass>
thus you might swallow (and thus hide a bug) ones you don't expect
<gambl0re>
followed by a long list of error messages
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<adaedra>
jhass: I don't think String#[]= may throw many things I could miss. You can't pass an error to filter to inline rescue?
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<jhass>
but why not guard with if s.size < 123
<jhass>
or >= 123 rather
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<adaedra>
uh?
<jhass>
gambl0re: try from the_oden_project/ruby
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<jhass>
adaedra: well, which exceptions do you expect from String#[]= ?
<gambl0re>
ok
<adaedra>
it's not a size problem, rather a regex match
<jhass>
then use .sub
<adaedra>
oh
<adaedra>
derp
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<adaedra>
Danke schön jhass
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<gambl0re>
rspec ruby/spec/lib/zombie_.rb
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<gambl0re>
that was done from the_odin_project and same error message
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<gambl0re>
the spec_helper and my ruby files are all in the same /lib directory that i craeated manually.
<jhass>
adaedra: small terminology nitpick: since Ruby has throw/catch, saying "may raise" instead of "may throw" is better ;)
<gambl0re>
i did a rspec --init and it created a /spec directory automatically for me
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<adaedra>
jhass: ah
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<adaedra>
gambl0re: spec_helper and test files should be in this folder then
<jhass>
gambl0re: cd ruby, rspec spec/lib/zombie_spec.rb
<jhass>
and if that doesn't work remove the lib dir
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<gambl0re>
spec_helper and my files should be the spec folder?
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<adaedra>
the spec folder contains everything test-related
<shevy>
hmm array.map! can be used to modify each entry
<shevy>
can the same be used for a hash too, but only modify the value?
<gambl0re>
this is what i have now.../home/ricky/the_oden_project/ruby/spec
<gambl0re>
with my spec_helper and ruby files in the /spec folder
<adaedra>
shevy: iirc, Hash#map! doesn't exists.
<adaedra>
>> {}.map! {}
<ruboto>
adaedra # => undefined method `map!' for {}:Hash (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/324060)
<shevy>
aaah ok
<adaedra>
Because Hash#map don't return an hash
<shevy>
was wondering whether I was doing something inefficient compared to using arrays
<adaedra>
So you can't map a Hash in-place
<gambl0re>
folder /lib is deleted..
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<adaedra>
The pattern I see the most is hash.each do |k, v| hash[k] = f(v) end, shevy
<shevy>
yeah, that felt like the primitive variant :)
<adaedra>
gambl0re: can you issue `tree` and gist that to show what's your project structure if it's not too big?
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<gambl0re>
oh its working now...
<shevy>
isn't there a warning when you do that though? like "don't modify a hash as you are iterating over it"?
<adaedra>
Don't think so
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<jhass>
shevy: only if you insert new keys or delete ones I think
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<adaedra>
yeah, as long as iterator stays valid, it's okay I think
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<shevy>
ah ok
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<adaedra>
I leave in less than an hour and the weather is getting worse
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<shevy>
that's ok
<shevy>
you are in France
<adaedra>
and ?
<shevy>
you have good wine
<adaedra>
Lucky me
<shevy>
you have good food - baguette, french cheese
<adaedra>
Oh wait, I don't drink alcoohol
<adaedra>
*-o
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<shevy>
actually, I know more italian cuisine; italy is closer than france is here
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<adaedra>
I can have all you say, I'll still be wet for the short journey to the train station
<gambl0re>
so all my ruby files has to be together with my spec_helper file??
<gambl0re>
and does it have to be in the /spec folder or can i move them to another folder if i want?
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<eam>
is it still necessary to avoid modifying a hash while iterating it, after the insert-order change was made?
<adaedra>
I guess it's usage to have them in spec folder
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<adaedra>
but you can have subfolders in spec
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<gambl0re>
ok thanks....
<adaedra>
but only test files goes in spec – standard code goes in lib/bin/app/...
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<adaedra>
lib is preferred, as it's standard and automatically added by spec to load path
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<mwlang>
gambl0re: you can put your specs anywhere. convention is to put them in the spec folder as that disguishes them from minitest/unitest, etc. which usually go into “test” folder by convention.
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<jhass>
gambl0re: code in lib/my_lib/foo.rb its spec in spec/my_lib/foo_spec.rb
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<gambl0re>
i get it now...
<mwlang>
gambl0re: rake tasks that gome from scaffolded generators generally are already tooled to go hunting for specs in the spec folder, so if you go off the beaten track, you just have to also go modify the tasks and such that call out rspec on those paths.
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<gambl0re>
im trying to follow the rspec tutorial on codeschool and this guy is confusing me..
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<sohrab>
i have an app architecture question. we have a rails api on heroku, and want to add a feature that ports tweets to our twitter handle into the app. i'm wondering whether its better to host the twitter api on a separate server, or should be it part of the app?
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<GaryOak_>
sohrab: there's probably a rails plugin that can handle the twitter stream, through rails
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<sohrab>
GaryOak_: yeah, i think its possible, but dunno if its a good idea to do it on heroku
<GaryOak_>
ooops, I don't have any Heroku experience
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<sohrab>
GaryOak_: they have 'dynos' which are temporary instantiations of the app, and i dont know if its a good idea to use streaming on it. idk
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<GaryOak_>
I don't see why it would be an issue unless Heroku has network limits, twitter streaming isn't a terrible strain on a network
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<havenwood>
sohrab: #RubyOnRails is probably a better place for Rails architecture questions.
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<havenwood>
MilesLemis: hi
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<MilesLemis>
is there a site like codewars for css?
<sohrab>
havenwood: thank you! discussing it in ror room right now actually.
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<havenwood>
MilesLemis: Maybe codecademy.com or codeschool.com? Try asking in the #css channel.
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<MilesLemis>
i have they don't know but thank you :)
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<pocketprotector>
I have a question. I am trying to write some code that examins a hostname, and based on certain hostname criterea, truths are defined. example "hqrhelwww05" "hq" "rhel" "www".
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<xxneolithicxx>
truths = tokens
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<xxneolithicxx>
wheres the question
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<pocketprotector>
right now i am using a bunch of if-elsif-else statements that do basic string checking with hostname.include?("hq"). Is there a better way to do this? it looks pretty poor to have a lot of if statements.
<havenwood>
pocketprotector: Show a snippet of what you have?
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<xxneolithicxx>
sounds like you have make shift server naming standard? we do the same thing at my job except tis well defined. if you know certain tokens follow a pattern its much easier to regex with a few length checks if/else statements.
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<bitrauser>
hi everyone
<xxneolithicxx>
like first two letters might be a datacenter location, followed by two letter os code or something
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<havenwood>
bitrauser: hi
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<pocketprotector>
havenwood: let me see if i can retreive it from my home comp.
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
what is a simple way, to output a Hash in a "sorted" variant, when it is a simple key-> value pair, where value is an integer
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<shevy>
ah
<shevy>
interesting, thanks agarie
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<dudedudeman>
agarie: can you shed a little more light on what you're doing inside the brackets? |_.V|v ?
<agarie>
sure
<agarie>
when you use an enumerable method in hashes, it yields both key and value
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<agarie>
in this case, I don't need to use the key, so I use _ instead (it's more of a convention)
<agarie>
I could've written it this way: sort_by { |key, value| value }
<dudedudeman>
ah!
<dudedudeman>
ok, i can follow along with that
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<agarie>
nice :)
<dudedudeman>
i appreciate it. because there's many times where if i can think of ways to do something, but there's almost always a cleaner, neater way of doing them
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<dudedudeman>
so it's nice to have someone explain their method of doing something every now and then
<shevy>
yeah
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<shevy>
ruby feels a lot like a filter language
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<shevy>
you have all those various methods from Enumerable and stuff... sort select ... hmm and the others
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<dudedudeman>
20 ways to do something, 10 ways to do it quickly, 5 ways to do it neatly
<agarie>
and Pjotr is one of our most active mentors for GSoC
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<shevy>
aha
<agarie>
I met him last year in the GSoC Mentor Summit
<shevy>
\o/
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<agarie>
I currently work for a company in Brazil, but I'm interested in a PhD in the near future
<agarie>
and yeah, he contributes to Bioruby as well
<agarie>
BioRuby/Python/Perl are under an umbrella org in GSoC iirc
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<dudedudeman>
havenwood: thank you kindly!
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<atmosx>
shevy: I spoke with Pjotr a couple of months ago when I was doing my thesis to take some advise over how to visualize some possible protein combinations IIRC.
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<shevy>
\o/
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<shevy>
he is the biomaster of ruby
<shevy>
atmosx do you finally have your degree
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<NinjaOps>
we are all made of Stars
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<atmosx>
shevy: nope
<atmosx>
shevy: I have to wait until Jun 2016 to be able to get the (fucking) degree.
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<ebonics>
i've never really used ruby and i have a ruby application i'd like to use as a web service. i need to interface between php and ruby, possibly via sockets or maybe RPC of some kind? is there some "go to" framework for deploying ruby backend services?
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<wasamasa>
time for phuby on phails!
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<atmosx>
ebonics: ... I can't believe you're asking that question seriously.
<GaryOak_>
ebonics: depending on the complexity/security needs you could just run a subcommand
<maxmanders>
A question of Gem style/structure: I'm developing some company specific tools for working with AWS. Let's say I have a module structure, e.g. foobar::{ec2,rds...}::backup. I'd like to use Thor to provide a CLI for working with difference services.
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<maxmanders>
Let's say I'd execute e.g. foobar ec2 backup scheduler --run or foobar ec2 backup worker --run
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<tek0011>
hey all. I am very new to Ruby, trying to pull some informaiton from registry. Its working, but my only question is how do I set notepadpp back to nil if it doesnt find an entry? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/12461efe50a683113a19
<maxmanders>
I'd have a CLI object in the Foobar::Ec2::Backup module; should that extend a base Thor CLI object in Foobar? Hope that makes sense!
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<maxmanders>
I guess without context - how would I go about structuring a CLI tool that could have different functionality in different modules; given the way Thor works, I'd guess the main bin/ script would exist in the top level module? But how do I go about implementing specific features in a submodule?
<atmosx>
tek0011: line 11:=> unless regvalue.empty?
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<tek0011>
atmosx: is that wrong?
<atmosx>
tek0011: I never use 'and not' but shouldn't be.
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<tek0011>
atmosx: Ill try
<atmosx>
tek0011: sure
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<atmosx>
maxmanders: thor is eomthing like optparser?
<ebonics>
atmosx, what?
<shevy>
atmosx ah ok so soon less than a year to wait :D
<ebonics>
what do you mean asking it seriously
<atmosx>
ebonics: Rails is the top framework for backend out there, what kind of answer did you expect on a #ruby channel? :-)
<ebonics>
atmosx, i thought rails was mostly web shit
<atmosx>
shevy: I have to start studying after August.
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<atmosx>
ebonics: oh wait, you said PHP so I thought it was web-based. sorry my bad.
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<ebonics>
atmosx, it is but i'm not running the service with ruby
<tek0011>
atmosx: line 11? is that right?
<ebonics>
i meman, im not serving pages with ruby
<ebonics>
i just need to get some output from a separate ruby application
<atmosx>
tek0011: no sorry, it's line 10
<shevy>
atmosx what will you start? and for how long?
<shevy>
sorry
<shevy>
what will you *study
<tek0011>
atmosx: I am new enough im still learning syntax. how exactly would that line look?
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<GaryOak_>
atmosx: yeah it's an option parser
<atmosx>
shevy: 5 subjects for 1 final exam (it's called state-exam). Well 2-3 months.
<shevy>
ah cool
<ebonics>
GaryOak_, you mean command line or what do you mean subcommand?
<shevy>
I hope the topic won't be too boring to learn :)
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<atmosx>
2 ~ 4-5 hours per day should be enough, but I don't know if I can pull this out so I'm starting from Sept. 1 to have an extra month ahead
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<GaryOak_>
ebonics: where the PHP script would call the ruby script and return a result
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<maxmanders>
ebonics: I think I'm doing a terrible job of explaining myself!
<ebonics>
GaryOak_, i need it to run separate from the php
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<atmosx>
shevy: it's pharmacology, pharmacognosy, medicinal chemistry (this is one is a killer), social pharmacy and biopharmacy.
<shevy>
atmosx yeah; I already know that I did not learn enough for tomorrow, it's my first try though, I get 3 more after that
<shevy>
cool
<GaryOak_>
ebonics: yeah the PHP would create a new bash shell and run the ruby script
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<maxmanders>
So, with Thor, you can do e.g. `command subcommand action`, e.g. 'aws ec2 describe-instances'. Each of those options are parsed, and not mapped to a particular module/class.
<ebonics>
GaryOak_, that was my worst case scenario hehe
<shevy>
will you have to use USCF chimeira plugin? that 3D modelling/viewing thingy
<ebonics>
i was hoping there was some framework i could wrap the application in to interface with other services
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<GaryOak_>
ebonics: oh lol, I didn't know the specifics, but otherwise you would need some server setup like you mentioned IPC
<maxmanders>
But let's say I wanted to implement all of my 'ec2' functionality in its own gem - would I write all the code in that gem, require that gem in e.g. a 'aws' gem; and then use Thor with the required gem code?
<atmosx>
shevy: haha not me, thankfully.
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<thatslifeson>
sure maxmanders
<maxmanders>
thatslifeson: thanks for the sanity check ;-)
<thatslifeson>
lol, always helps to double check
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<ebonics>
yeah GaryOak_ :P was wondering if there was a framework for that
<ebonics>
a "go to" one, rather
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<maxmanders>
I've written some trivial CLI gems before, but not something as ambitious as I'm planning, with related but disparate functionality in separate gems, all tied together in another gem!
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<ebonics>
maxmanders, idk anything about ruby but docker sounds like a good choice for what you want to do
<atmosx>
maxmanders: that's not as complicated as you make it sound.
<thatslifeson>
^
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<thatslifeson>
pretty straight forward
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<atmosx>
maxmanders: you don't even need a gem or gems, although a gemfile would be handy... you need a an 'aws-script.rb' and a 'Gemfile' to run bundler on to install the gems in your system... that's about it.
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<atmosx>
maxmanders: then you can make a module or class (or not even that if you don't like OO design) and manage your options/modules with optparser or Thor.
<maxmanders>
atmosx: thatslifeson: ah, but you're pros I'm sure ;-) I think the key to getting it right is small, testable bits of code that I can use another script as a 'runner' for
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<atmosx>
maxmanders: just dive into it and you'll see, it's pretty straight forward.
<thatslifeson>
i'm no pro :D
<atmosx>
maxmanders: I'm not :-P I suck at programming.
<maxmanders>
Can't beat a bit of positive encouragement - thanks!
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<atmosx>
haha worry not maxmanders, I'm sure you'll be fine.
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<GaryOak_>
ebonics: there's quite a few 'lightweight' HTTP frameworks you could run to create an API
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<ebonics>
GaryOak_, i don't really want to use http, i literally just need some damn thing that can accept one packet with some information then execute some code :P
<atmosx>
ebonics: could you describe EXACTLY what do you wanna do (and not what do you want to do it).
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<toretore>
ebonics: if you have two processes that need to communicate, they are going to have to agree on a protocol, and that's what you have to figure out first
<wasamasa>
ebonics: just execute a subprocess and maybe grab its output
<picasso>
Hello all, I'm having an SSL problem with a specific website. I've tried downloading new PEM and CRT files with no luck. The site is https://view-api.box.com/ - maybe it has to do with their cert using deprecated SHA1 signatures? Anyway, I have a test program that you can run to see if it works for you: https://gist.github.com/pix0r/7d3d5d10c4bd1e026a76
<toretore>
ebonics: then decide on the transport
<ebonics>
wasamasa, yeah i can but i'd like to be able to manage the process
<picasso>
^ if anyone could try running that sample program i'd appreciate it greatly!
<wasamasa>
ebonics: signals
<ebonics>
toretore, i understand, i just want a framework for ruby RPC
<wasamasa>
ebonics: what could possibly go wrong
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<toretore>
ebonics: how do you know you'll be able to use it from php?
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<ebonics>
toretore, i don't. that's why i'm asking the "go to" because i assume a language like ruby would have some interoperability hehe
<shevy>
FrankD in javascript it should be use; in pure ruby, not sure... but I think there was _why's old page of interactive ruby in a browser; you can also ask on #opal, the guys should know. it's ruby for the browser there after all
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<shevy>
erm
<shevy>
in javascript it should be *easy
<FrankD>
toretore, basically I just need a pipe, using term.js browser-side, so it should decode everything just fine if I send it 'as-is' -- however some things aren't working
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<shevy>
_why had an irb going over the browser, other people have picked up that code... I don't know the name of the projects though
<FrankD>
ie I'm not getting a shell prompt, and stty isn't working (ioctl not working) so I can't set/get column/rows of the terminal
<toretore>
FrankD: you want to send ruby code from the browser to the server, have the server execute it and send back the result?
<FrankD>
toretore, no, sorry, I want to be running bash
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<FrankD>
I need the Ruby server that does lots of other things to be the intermediary
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<FrankD>
sorry, I thought console in a browser was explanatory, I guess it could be interpreted multiple ways :P
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<FrankD>
but let's say specifically forwarding bash and vt100 terminal sequences
<wasamasa>
sounds like a pain to do
<wasamasa>
sure nobody else did solve this yet?
<FrankD>
I haven't found anything.. there's things out there for node :\
<agarie>
when you ask a question like that, it's usually a good idea to be more specific :)
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<agarie>
but don't worry
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<Musashi007>
apologies
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<Musashi007>
you nailed it actually because that was my lack of understanding - i thought ‘duration’ was an integer variable, not a method
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<agarie>
that line is expanded to `exercise_models.map { |exercise_model| exercise_model.duration }.inject { |accumulator, duration| accumulator + duration }`
<gambl0re>
how would i get the sum of an array if the array is empty?
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<bricker>
gambl0re: return 0;
<bricker>
(I don't understand what you're asking)
<agarie>
me neither
<agarie>
but I assume you have an empty array and you want to define its sum
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<apeiros>
gambl0re: ary.inject(0, :+)
<shevy>
gambl0re an empty Array would be this: []
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<apeiros>
that'll give you 0 as a sume if ary is empty
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<agarie>
it depends -- I prefer the version with select/map/inject because I find it easier to reason about
<agarie>
but you might find it harder, or something like that
<weaksauce>
gambl0re look up compact and inject and you can do it in one line
<havenwood>
Musashi007: If it's multiple things make it plural and for each iteration make it singular of the same subject. Like: numbers.each do |number|
<havenwood>
>> [7, 11].each { 'no matter what is here, look at the return value from this statement' }
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<tubuliferous_>
I'm going to pretend I understand what "auto-vivify" means while I look it up...
<weaksauce>
nil[b]=nil
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<weaksauce>
that's what's going on when you do my_hash[a]
<weaksauce>
but why are you trying to do this?
<tubuliferous_>
hmmm...
<eam>
tubuliferous_: it means my_hash[a] has a value of nil, so you're doing nil[b] -- some languages (like Perl) will automatically create the sub-hashes
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<tubuliferous_>
sweet
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<weaksauce>
I'd say to do it differently but that's just me
<tubuliferous_>
how'd you do it, weaksauce?
<weaksauce>
well in eam's case it would overwrite a everytime when you'd want to do something more like my_hash[a] ||= {}
<eam>
well, yes, that's just a single-shot example
<weaksauce>
the details are probably better abstracted in a class
<weaksauce>
i figured eam just wanted to clarify your particular example for tubuliferous_
<tubuliferous_>
yeah...but I'm a noob and I'm not really up on class-writing...
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<weaksauce>
class thing; end
<weaksauce>
Thing
<weaksauce>
Thing.new
<tubuliferous_>
right
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<tubuliferous_>
got it =)
<eam>
tubuliferous_: you can modify the Hash defaults to automatically contain nested hashes as well, but the syntax and behavior can be somewhat confusing
<tubuliferous_>
Yeah, I'll avoid that, eam
<weaksauce>
def scope_lookup(A,B); find_thing_in_db_or_hash_or_cache_or? end
<havenwood>
shevy: I have a super sekret project codenamed Ferret. :O
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<havenwood>
shevy: And I'm having fun learning Elixir.
<shevy>
hmm Ferret
<shevy>
that name inspires confidence
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<Musashi007>
exercise_models.select { |model| model.type == 'standing' }.map { |model| model.duration }.inject { |accumulator, duration| accumulator + duration } So does this select the models of type standing into a map which sums the duration
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<havenwood>
Musashi007: there ya go!
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<Musashi007>
god i am _so_ slow
<havenwood>
Musashi007: Do you really want to be doing that last #inject or do you mean that to be a #map?
<Musashi007>
i need to re-lookup the difference
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<havenwood>
shevy: Are you working on anything fun?
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<shevy>
havenwood hmm not sure... actually no, mostly just making small bug fixes; someone on #kde recently told me that KDE konsole also knows italic and underline, so I added that http://shevegen.square7.ch/screenshot.png
<shevy>
I am still occupied mostly by rewrites that I never finished :(
<shevy>
one day I will no longer have to do any rewrite at all!
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<GaryOak_>
that feel when your multi-threaded ruby app server runs for multiple days under heavy load without memory leaking while keeping the CPU under heavy load
<shevy>
you must have a bug
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<GaryOak_>
shevy: oh god probably
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<shevy>
a bug that made things better!
<shevy>
a divine heisenbug
<GaryOak_>
a reverse bug
<shevy>
yeah
<dudedudeman>
a gub?
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<shevy>
I wonder how people in 100 years will look back at us
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<dudedudeman>
if society will even be around in 100 years?
<shevy>
I think so
<GaryOak_>
computers will be fundamentally different
<shevy>
yeah
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<GaryOak_>
like better architecture
<shevy>
I wonder if the people will think of us as incompetent
<failshell>
dunno if that exists, im looking for a gem that's able to diff 2 text files, while ignoring the N first lines
<shevy>
there is this game called civilization
<shevy>
I surrounded a tank with my chariot archers!
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<GaryOak_>
failshell: just google ruby diff gem
<shevy>
just because I did not invest into research and spent all the money from trade caravan routes on booze and girls instead
<GaryOak_>
failshell: a bunch of different gems comeup
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<GaryOak_>
shevy: will the internet still exist in 100 years, or will the earth become a dead venuslike planet
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<GaryOak_>
as all open air becomes hot enough to boil all the moisture into a gas
<shevy>
GaryOak_ yeah the internet will be around and more important than today
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<shevy>
perhaps there will be more localized subnets to get rid of stupid governments trying to do silly things
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<Eiam_>
shevy: think of it this way.. how do you think of the idiots from 100 years ago? thinking dumb shit like heroin was a good cure for cocaine addiction and so on? =)
<GaryOak_>
something crazy is going to happen that will fundamentally change everything, like distributed finance networks, or that Tesla battery pack thing
<shevy>
Eiam_ you mean -100 years from today? in 1915?
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<Eiam>
shevy: many things that people did 100 years ago we recognize to be pretty stupid. marie curie was messing around with xrays just shy of 100 years ago and did some pretty dumb stuff
<shevy>
oh yeah
<Eiam>
radium girls? 1917.
<shevy>
GaryOak_ I dunno... imagine if some huge breakthrough happens
<Eiam>
so im fairly certain in 100 years our great grand children will think we were gibbering morons
<shevy>
with programming becoming much simpler even than in ruby, while being insanely much faster
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<GaryOak_>
I think the next breakthrough is cheap energy
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<GaryOak_>
that's portable and renewable
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
probably
<GaryOak_>
like fusion power or something
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<shevy>
aha
<shevy>
I thought you meant small sacle
<shevy>
scale
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<GaryOak_>
You could have small scale fusion plants
<shevy>
I am still interested in seeing really intelligent AI
<GaryOak_>
Ahh
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<shevy>
in 100 years that should be doable no?
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<Eiam>
another note, a lot of societies predictions from 100 years ago were.. really bad.
<GaryOak_>
I think that's the next thing, like research bots, that make research much faster
<Eiam>
like, way way off. I wouldn't hold my breath =)
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<GaryOak_>
Most predictions forget to factor in politics and religion
<GaryOak_>
and the fact that a lot of technological advancement happens because of military conflict
<Eiam_>
Yeah nothing like some Unit 731's to really jump technology forward
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<GaryOak_>
Nowadays it's about business interests first, if they can capitalize off of the tech
<GaryOak_>
That's part of why computers took off in the 80's, and why AI will probably flourish
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<Eiam>
businesses are just interested in making money
<mozzarella>
you guys are wrong about everything
<Eiam>
not furthering humanity
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<Eiam>
mozzarella: no u
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<shevy>
mozzarella will exist in 100 years, I am sure about that
<shevy>
most food products will probably still exist in 100 years
<shevy>
perhaps even Soylent Green
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<eam>
GaryOak_: solar + battery
<GaryOak_>
or any other type of energy + battery
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<eam>
well, other types of energy like coal wouldn't quite be next-gen would tehy
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<GaryOak_>
but like riding a bike to power your house or something
<havenwood>
I've heard rumor that at certain hours if you go outside and look up there'll be a massive fusion generator.
<GaryOak_>
WHAT!
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<eam>
I mean any direction you look there's a massive fusion generator
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<Eiam>
portable, dense, cheap energy.. yeah
<shevy>
there will probably be more efficient storage devices, considering the whole notion of miniaturization or however that word is spelled
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<shevy>
GaryOak_ people are way too lazy to do exercise like that!
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<eam>
shevy: well just in the last decade there've been a series of massive improvements in energy storage
<shevy>
yeah
<eam>
remember back before cheap lithium batteries? NiCAD?
<shevy>
we are going down to the molecular level!
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<eam>
NiMH, battery memory? Charge for 8 hours use for 30 minutes?
<shevy>
YES
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<shevy>
THAT MADE ME ANGRY
<shevy>
or even better
<shevy>
charge for hours, leave it alone
<shevy>
use for 10 minutes!!!
<eam>
oh yeah, you gotta charge it 12 hours before using it
<eam>
duh
<shevy>
especially as it got older and older
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<eam>
solar is getting stupid cheap, I might buy an array soon
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<Eiam>
if you wait longer, it'll get cheaper!
<Eiam>
our names.. so close..
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<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
eiam and eam
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<eam>
Eiam: yeah, but as soon as it's cheaper than the utility I'm willing to pull the trigger :)
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