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<jhass> kl: Foo foo = (Foo) Bar.new // casting; int foo = Integer.parseInt("1") // conversion
<jhass> er, new Bar
<jhass> you get the important part
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<siaw> havenn: 2nd edition
<kl> jhass: oh. I never saw the term "conversion" used in that context. I only ever saw the term associated with stuff like, when you take a long and convert it to a double (or other way round, even if lossy)
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<apeiros> same thing really
<apeiros> you create new data in the process
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<apeiros> you do not reinterpret existing data
<kl> hmm. i see now
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<apeiros> that is, if we're talking machine level long/double
<kl> I was
<jhass> dunno, "casting" a double to a long is actually conversion, java just happens to allow to use the casting syntax for it
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<jhass> in java that is
<kl> jhass: yeah. that's why I associated conversion with numbers - it's the most common form I've ever come across
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<apeiros> jhass: ok, my java is rusty. java lets you do float/int conversion using cast syntax? that's fecked up.
<jhass> yeah
<havenn> “The closest Ruby gets to traditional typecasting (and it isn’t very close) is the role-playing conversion methods, described in section 7.4.4.” Excerpt From: David A. Black. “The Well-Grounded Rubyist, Second Edition.”
<kl> apeiros: "casting for numbers' :)
<jhass> apeiros: java's fucked up in many regards anyway ;)
<apeiros> more reason to dislike java.
<apeiros> jhass: yeah. the opposite direction of php.
<jhass> dunno, standard library feels the same way inconsistent
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<apeiros> lol
<apeiros> so not even that…
<apeiros> how very sad.
<jhass> "what's the f*cking naming scheme" and "which of these f*cking variants am I supposed to use?"
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<kl> I'm yet to hear a language that people *aren't* "sad" about
<jhass> have that in both langs
<apeiros> I love how there's like 2000 string and buffer classes…
<kl> Ruby is the closest i have came, although strongly-typed people would complain
<apeiros> kl: I have my beefs with ruby, but overall I'm pretty happy
<apeiros> ruby is strongly typed
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<agent_white> Have no problem with any language as of yet. Can't expect all cars to drive the same right?
<kl> agent_white: I'm not sure that's a useful metaphor. lol
<apeiros> you probably mean static-typed people?
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<apeiros> (strong/weakly typed; dynamically/statically typed)
<kl> apeiros: bah, yes I did. I don't even know the definition of strongly/weakly-typed: I avoid those terms *always* except for typos :)
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<kl> at least static/dynamic has some consensus
<apeiros> you could probably say weakly typed is autocast/-convert :)
<jhass> kl: let me find that lovely php snippet that demonstrates weak typing
<havenn> kl: consensus in what sense?
<apeiros> jhass: oh, the one which checks hash checksums and fails?
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<apeiros> please let it be that one, I was looking for that recently
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<agent_white> kl: /shrug - Haha I mean for people that complain 'x is better than y'... nurrmind!
<jhass> kl: ^
<jhass> apeiros: no, but I have that one too, sec
<kl> havenn: static / dynamic typing is surely quite obvious, unless you have a counter-example
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<jhass> apeiros: https://eval.in/108854
<apeiros> aaahaha, yes
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<apeiros> charliesomme found quite a couple of security bugs based on that one
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<siaw> jhass: i don’t believe that :o
<kl> jhass: um, wtf is going on in the 2nd
<siaw> hahahaaaaa
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<apeiros> kl: scientific notation of numbers
<jhass> kl: same as the first
<apeiros> >> 0e123
<eval-in__> apeiros => 0.0 (https://eval.in/234601)
<jhass> 0e145 is a number
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<apeiros> >> 0e12312312 == 0e3542423
<eval-in__> apeiros => true (https://eval.in/234602)
<havenn> klaas: surely not obvious in the sense of which is preferred? obvious in terms of which is which? dynamic, gradual and soft typing make quite a grey area.
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<kl> apeiros: lawd jesus.
<jhass> kl: and since php is weakly typed, the string becomes a number when it looks like one
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<apeiros> and it seems php prefers the numeric value for ==
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<apeiros> it could very well have been the other way round
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<jhass> my guess it tries until it finds true
<havenn> kl: Matz has said soft typing is a real possibility for Ruby 3.0: http://scholarship.rice.edu/handle/1911/16439
<havenn> "type checking for dynamically typed languages"
<jhass> so "0e20" == "0e20" probably doesn't convert
<kl> jhass: what's going on with the Ruby one? Nothing looks off there - but it doesn't look like anything's really testing it, either
<jhass> kl: which ruby one?
<apeiros> jhass: so anybody volunteers to source-dive? :)
<kl> jhass: oh, don't think you posted it
<jhass> kl: that's just apeiros showing your scientific notation
<jhass> apeiros: into PHP? ew...
<ishikawa91> I am new to irc and am trying to get into the rubyonrails channel. But its telling me I need to register? Can someone help me?
<jhass> ishikawa91: /msg Nickserv help
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<ishikawa91> thank you
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<SHyx0rmZ> PHP Manual: "If you compare a number with a string or the comparison involves numerical strings, then each string is converted to a number and the comparison performed numerically."
<jhass> "numerical string"
<apeiros> I wonder how much performance this costs
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<apeiros> I mean it means php has to test every string for numericality
<SHyx0rmZ> only in comparisons :D
<apeiros> or at least every string which is ever compared using ==
<apeiros> I wonder whether the result is cached
<jhass> SHyx0rmZ: nope, see my first link
<jhass> things like ++ too
<SHyx0rmZ> conversion apparently also applies to switch statements
<SHyx0rmZ> oh my, you're right
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<apeiros> hmmm
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* apeiros wonders whether the higher data rate of youtube's 60fps might actually cause more stuttering… that'd be slightly perverse
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<apeiros> hm, wow, it's actually only around 0.5MB/s
<apeiros> gah, bedtime. when did the clock advance that much? and why nobody told me?!?
* apeiros off, nighty night
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<TheHappyLegend> Hey guys, anyone have a way to make a .rb file into a .exe?
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<mroach> @TheHappyLegend: I did this once before with Ocra. It creates an exe file that is a self-extracting archive containing the Ruby runtime and necessary gems.
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<mroach> That may be an outdated way of doing it. A quick Google search yields 'releasy' which looks more modern. https://github.com/Spooner/releasy/
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<TheHappyLegend> Great ty!
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<sargas> From IO Class Docs, what does this mean? "w" Write-only, truncates existing file to zero length or creates a new file for writing.
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<jhass> sargas: Please do not crosspost without at least telling so. Experience shows that people don't bother to inform the other channels of provided solutions, therefore it is considered rude.
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<havenwood> sargas: Please say in both channels if you cross-post. Check #ruby-lang, waxjar already answered you.
<waxjar> 02:39:47 (waxjar) sargas_: it means if the file already exists, its contents are deleted. otherwise it creates a new file
<waxjar> i noticed you timed out :p
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<sargas> jhass, havenwood: sorry, I was on my phone on the other channel and didn't realize that until now... I just got connection back on my laptop
<havenwood> sargas: aha :)
<sargas> what is the scope of #ruby vs #ruby-lang? I didn't notice there were 2 channels?
<havenwood> sargas: no real difference
<sargas> ok
<jhass> #ruby has more people ;P
<havenwood> sargas: but yeah, 'truncate to zero length' means an empty file
<sargas> could it be that #ruby-lang doesn't require identifying the users?
<havenwood> sargas: neither channel does, though #ruby-lang used to
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<sargas> oh
<sargas> havenwood: thanks for answering, so with Open Mode 'w' I can start writing to a blank file?
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<sargas> havenwood: what if I open a file that already has content in Open Mode 'w'?
<havenwood> sargas: like waxjar said, "if the file already exists, its contents are deleted"
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<sargas> havenwood: oh, I haven't seen his answer... I timed out...
<havenwood> sargas: Ah, he repeated it here.
<sargas> waxjar: thanks for helping
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<sargas> I just saw it, man my internet is messed up today
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<havenwood> sargas: And since "w" is "Write-only" you can only write to the File, no reading as well like with "w+".
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<sargas> havenwood: I see, the "truncate at zero length" was the weird part to understand for me...
<havenwood> sargas: understandable
<sargas> havenwood: From my tests here, "r+" lets me write to an existing file without overriding it, while "w+" overrides the entire thing...
<sargas> good to have both options
<sargas> makes the use of File class a breeze to use :)
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<jhass> I use the helpers, File.read and File.write a lot
<havenwood> yeah, those are handy
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<havenwood> and File.readlines too from time to time
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<sargas> jhass: I finally can understand the IO stuff more fully... specially which mode to use depending on the situation
<sargas> jhass: taking the time to dive deep into Ruby is proving very satisfactory...
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<sargas> jhass: and yes, the File methods are great! I have used them before fully knowing what they did (glad I didn't break stuff)
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<arooni> how do i print out an a list of strings when i have an array of objects where one attr_accessor is a string
<arooni> in a .each loop?
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<benzrf> arooni: mapM_ (print . accessor) theList
<benzrf> if this were haskell, i mean
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<ziggles> How should i choose when to use $global vs GlobalConstant? when my app needs a client that won't change during runtime?
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<jhass> ziggles: I yet have to come across a valid usecase for the former
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<jhass> arooni: just puts item.accessor ?
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<ziggles> jhass: yeah... it's pretty ugly too and i find that Rubocop bitches about it
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<jhass> can't say that often about rubocop, but rightfully
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<waxjar> ziggles: global variable for something that's variable, global constant for something that's (supposed to be) constant?
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<jhass> I guess it's sort of okay to mutate the object that's assigned to the constant
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<jhass> but reassigning a global variable... can't make that thread safe
<jhass> just forget you can even do that
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<Nilium> 206 day streak on GitHub. Hell yeah. ಠ_ಠ
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<sevenseacat> impressive.
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<Nilium> sevenseacat: Not really when you consider that almost all the changes I made over the last week were me just slowly adding doc comments to a repo because I've been completely braindead the entire time.
<sevenseacat> hah
<Nilium> Actually, last few weeks.
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<Nilium> Plus I'm avoiding committing actual code right now to avoid having to update my NDA agreement.
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<Nilium> That is, standard NDA that tries to swallow all personal work regardless of whether it's related to what you do for your employer.
<Nilium> Which meant I had to compile a some two to three page list of exemptions for my NDA >_>
<sevenseacat> oh i hate those
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<Nilium> Could be worse. Mine at least has exemptions and has a clause saying it doesn't apply to anything that's obviously unrelated.
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<Nilium> In unrelated boring stuff, I find it really weird that ASCIIDoc is not more popular
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<sevenseacat> so do i
<sevenseacat> i love asciidoctor
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<mroach> @Nilium What makes it preferable to something like Markdown?
<mroach> I’ll have bucketloads of documentation to do soon
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<Nilium> More flexible, generates more than just HTML.
<Nilium> e.g., manpages
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<mroach> That’s nice. The syntax looks quite clean.
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<mroach> Though I’m considering setting up an internal wiki of some kind.
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<Nilium> Basically, Markdown is ultra-basic in what elements it has, AsciiDoc covers almost everything
<Nilium> Fucking bots
<mroach> Yeah it is pretty basic. That’s been one of my complaints with it
<Nilium> In case anyone can ban the hell out of bots, picassoo is one.
<mroach> It’s ok for scratching out a blog post or something but beyond that you’re limited.
<mroach> Yeah, I got spammed from that one too...
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<Nilium> But yeah, I've started using AsciiDoc for docs and I let Markdown just be my blogpost fodder 'cause I never need more than paragraphs and links.
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<Nilium> Also, git uses asciidoc for documentation, so that's kind of a vote in favor of it for me
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<njs126> Once a good ide for Ruby that is part of CentOS repo?
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<mroach> Ah, nice that GitHub supports it. Sweet as
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<green-big-frog> good morning
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<agent_white> \o
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<newton> with TCPSocket, is there a way to specify socket.puts length when sending?
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<pontiki> perhaps you don't want to use puts, but something like binwrite
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* Nilium is compiling two versions of Ruby at the same time
<Nilium> God help my CPU
<pontiki> hee
<pontiki> try it on two separate VMs at once :)
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<Nilium> Thankfully it doesn't actually take that long to compile Ruby itself
<Nilium> The real problem is the several hundred mb of documentation it spits out
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<Nilium> Though that pales in comparison to generating documentation for wxwindows, which produces gigabytes of documentation if you let it
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<riceandbeans> KDE was the nastiest thing I ever compiled
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<mroach> @Nilium Can you omit that in the compile options?
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<Nilium> Probably
<mroach> @riceandbeans And nastiest thing you ever used am I right or waht? xD
<Nilium> I just don't bother
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<Nilium> I liked KDE 2 and 3.
<mroach> I’m being facetious :p
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<Nilium> I'm being two rubies compiling side by side and genuinely concerned about melting my MBP.
<Nilium> And it is onto the rdoc phase of the compiling process
<Nilium> Meaning the heavy lifting is done
<pontiki> AFAIK, you can omit the docs if you do the standard compile from source thing. i haven't seen options for doing that with the various other installers
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<Nilium> I went with ruby-install this time because it's doing what I'd be doing already
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<Nilium> i.e., downloading from source, running ./configure, make, etc.
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<Nilium> Why the fuck is this running dot..
<Nilium> I do not remember that being a thing
<Nilium> Why do I have dot installed anyway
<Nilium> I'm pretty sure I keep that uninstalled specifically for situations like these
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<pontiki> dot?
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<TTilus> aaas: responding to rly old question (about relation of chruby and ruby-install), chruby docs pretty much explain the thing, but chruby only selects between installed rubies and ruby-install (as you prolly can tell by the name of it) only installs rubies
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<pontiki> and there were several others who gave the same answer to that
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<TTilus> pontiki: either you were there or your backbuffer is way longer than mine ;) (found the question from my awaylog)
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<pontiki> i am always here
<pontiki> :(
<pontiki> captain nosleep, that's me
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<Nilium> I'm always here, but not exactly conscious.
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<Nilium> The upside of having a digital ocean server acting as my IRC connection
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<epitron> hmmm
<epitron> is it possible to make included modules be autoloaded with autoload?
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<Nilium> What do you mean?
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<epitron> well, if i want to extend a base class... but i want that extension to only be loaded if the base class is accessed
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<epitron> for performance
<Nilium> Is there a reason to believe that's actually a performance benefit?
<epitron> well, i extend like 20 base classes
<epitron> and most of them aren't used that frequently
<epitron> i guess you're right though
<epitron> rubygems is stating the whole filesystem
<Nilium> Either way, I don't think so, unless you provide some means of knowing which extension to load for which thing is being accessed as part of a base class
<epitron> that's what's killing load time
<epitron> hmm
<Nilium> It would be easier to just require stuff as needed.
<epitron> it could be method missing
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<epitron> method_missing could touch the not-yet-loaded constants
<epitron> then re-dispatch the message
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<epitron> eih, i guess this is a language redesign kinda feature
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<Nilium> Well, there's also const_missing, but you'd need to know the methods to do that, at which point it's debatable if it's even worth it considering how annoying it'd be to code that
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<Nilium> *to do that either way
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<epitron> autoload makes a magic const, doesn't it?
<mroach> I’ve thought about using my Digital Ocean box as an IRC relay so I’m always on, but the latency is awful ;_;
<epitron> linode
<Nilium> Seems alright for me, but I keep my DO droplet semi-close
<mroach> Er, not relay, just irssi in screen
<Nilium> Ah, yeah, I don't do that.
<Nilium> I set up a ZNC server.
<pontiki> why would the latency be so awful?
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<mroach> Because I’m in Australia and latency to everywhere is awful
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<pontiki> oh well, yeah
<Nilium> That would do it.
<epitron> hahah
<mroach> The closest Linode data centre is in Tokyo
<Nilium> Got any basic server providers in Australia?
<epitron> australia must have cheap shells
<mroach> Yeah there are some. I may grab one for IRC and random crap
<epitron> if not, that's a niche :)
<epitron> start a business!
<mroach> As for proper providers, we have SoftLayer and Amazon data centres here
<Nilium> AWS might work. At least I don't think they'd be too expensive just for IRC.
<mroach> Yeah probably not. SoftLayer is pricy. Cheapest server is $25 + a 20% Australia markup
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<Nilium> The Australia tech tax never ceases to amaze me.
<mroach> Seriously
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<mroach> Oddly, buying a MBP here isn’t expensive
<sevenseacat> yay for the australian tax.
<mroach> I think mine is starting to break which means I have a reason to buy a new one :D
<sevenseacat> yeah it is, what are you talking about
<Nilium> Huh, that's not what I'd heard, but maybe it changed
<sevenseacat> a specced up MBP is like 3k
<mroach> I mean comapred to the price in Singapore or Hong Kong or even the US it’s not out of line
<pontiki> 0.0
<Nilium> I guess, but it's still arbitrarily more for the same thing
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<sevenseacat> seems pricier to me
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<Nilium> Still not sure what I'll do for my next machine. Can't really drop Apple 'cause I like the software I have on here, but it might be time to stop buying laptops.
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<sevenseacat> i'll be ready for a new laptop in about 6 months
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<sevenseacat> atm i have a samsung series 9 which i love, but the cpu is a tad underpowered
<Nilium> I'll be ready by sometime in 2015 since that's when my Applecare expires
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<Nilium> At which point it's only a matter of time before some calamity befalls my laptop
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<mroach> 15” MBP is A$2999 in Australia or US$2499.
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<mroach> $2999 AUD = $2498 USD
<sevenseacat> interesting
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<mroach> I meant to add “*in the US" to that first line
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<mroach> My AppleCare has expired and I want retina, USB3, HDMI, and BT 4.0 LE.
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* Nilium is kind of confused about the exchange rate between USD and AUD
<Nilium> I thought AUD was supposed to be better..
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<mroach> Times have changed.
<pontiki> it was for a while
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<Nilium> Shows how much I pay attention
<mroach> The mining boom is no longer a boom and the US economy is doing decently well so thing are back to normal
<Nilium> Either way, if it ends up being roughly the same as the USD, I'm surprised
<mroach> 1 USD = 1.22 AUD these days
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<sevenseacat> AUD is only about 80c USD these days
<Nilium> Still a lot to of money to me either way, but I have a salary equivalent to $12 an hour, so I kind of have to be stingy.
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<Nilium> I have a feeling nobody at my company would like that I talk about my salary.
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<mroach> Where do you work? I’ll call and ask
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<mroach> :p
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<Nilium> I would discourage that
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<Nilium> Plus it's not like there's a single thing anyone can do to stop me from talking about my pay.
<mroach> We’ve got some $10 VPSs here. Not bad. Now do I want to pay $10/month for IRC...
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<Nilium> Even if it's kind of a weird taboo in the US to talk about it.
<Nilium> Well, you could always run other stuff on the server.
<pontiki> running a bouncer takes like no resources
<pontiki> your other apps wouldn't even feel it
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<pontiki> or even doing the dead simple irssi in tmux/screen
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<Nilium> My server is just server static content via nginx, mail, gitolite, and znc right now, I think.
<mroach> Yeah I know. I already have a server in Singapore but the latency is bad
<sevenseacat> its a weird taboo anywhere to talk about salary i think
<mroach> So maybe I’ll just move it here, put CloudFlare in front of the site so other people don’t take a performance penalty, then I can IRC
<mroach> Yeah it’s pretty not OK to talk about salary anywhere
<pontiki> it is discouraged because that would give the employees and other works more power over the companies
<mroach> There’s really no good that can come of it. People either pity or resent you.
<shevy> you filthy rich
<mroach> Ok that’s a fair point, @pontiki
<Nilium> I prefer to make it known just as a matter of putting stuff into context
<mroach> Then again there tends to be nuance behind pay rates in certain kinds of jobs
<pontiki> there is, for sure
<pontiki> we have no idea how many hours nilium works that makes their salary only $12/hr
<mroach> @Nilium Cost of living is a factor too. For example I get $30/hr here but a pizza costs $25
<Nilium> I get paid for a 40 hour work week.
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<mroach> So if I eat a pizza every hour, which I do, I only take home $40/day
<pontiki> that's the standard, yeah
<Nilium> Working more obviously won't get me more, but I still usually end up with a couple hours more per week.
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<pontiki> we (or well, I, anyway) have no idea what Nilium's work entails
<mroach> Me neither
<Nilium> Hell on earth.
<pontiki> then you're overpaid
<mroach> Also I’m on a shorter-term contract which affects pay
<Nilium> Fixing hell on earth, more like, except fixing anything means I get told not to fix things.
<pontiki> i was gonna say, hell on earth needs absolutely no development, no maintenance, it's here already in full form
<Nilium> Trust me, it needs maintenance
<Nilium> Otherwise hell on earth would come to a grinding halt
<pontiki> do we call you wormwood now?
<pontiki> or are you screwtape?
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<Nilium> I'm probably more in Wormwood's shoes.
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<pontiki> my current rate is about half what it should be
<pontiki> but i didn't, and don't, really give a crap
<Nilium> I don't care too much because I live with my parents and my living costs are close to zero as a result, so I can save all my money.
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<pontiki> still, i didn't really expect to be working for them this long
<pontiki> same as me
<pontiki> i'm their primary care giver at this point
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<Nilium> I'm not, I'm just living with them 'cause I have nowhere else to go right now and can't really afford it
<pontiki> my parents are well into their 80s, and pretty infirm and wotnot
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<shevy> mroach are the pizza good?
<mroach> Sometimes yeah
<mroach> Though I would prefer to find some nice pan pizza
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<mroach> Thin crust doesn’t do it for me the way pan pizza does.
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<shevy> a good italian pizza here costs around 9$
<shevy> which ironically enough is just about comparable to your mention of $30/h, just in relationship e. g. average pay would be around 9$-15$/hour on average
<shevy> so perhaps this is the grand universal pizza rule
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<mroach> The Economst actually came up with the Big Mac Index a while back
<shevy> haha
<mroach> It’s a great way of figuring out purchasing power parity between nations
<mroach> On the other end of the spectrum is the iPhone index since the price doesn’t change country to country so you can see how easily people can afford it
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<mroach> The Big Mac Index works because the food is typically locally sourced, it depends entirely in local labour costs and taxes, and the food is made to a pretty similar standard around the world
<mroach> Since minimum wage is so high here, the cost of eating out goes up so much.
<certainty> moin rubyists
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<hephaestus_rg> hello there
<hephaestus_rg> i'm wondering if anyone knows a card/deck library that's /window 4
<hephaestus_rg> that's serializable
<hephaestus_rg> because i'd like to persist the playing card deck to a json file
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<tucket> Hello, does anyone here have experience with bootstrap?
<tucket> I've followed this tutorial - but I can't see any proof of it working correctly
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<tucket> is this channel active?
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<pontiki> sometimes, tucket
<shevy> always depends on the question
<hephaestus_rg> what do you mean 'proof it's working correctly'
<tucket> i'm surprise no one is responding to a bootstrap question.. fairly common, surely
<tucket> ?
<pontiki> tucket: you might get better mileage in #rubyonrails, though, for your question
<shevy> just a title like "integrating rails and bootstrap" is an ideal question for #rubyonrails rather than #ruby
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<hephaestus_rg> speaking of ruby, does anyone know a good card/deck library that serializes decks to json?
<shevy> I don't think it is common at all here, you are probably the second who asked about it here - in the last 3 months :D
<tucket> pontiki: is there a quick command to change channel
<tucket> #channel rubyonrails
<pontiki> also, tucket, you've not actually asked a question anyone has any hope of answer
<agent_white> tucket: Why not follow the github readme for bootstrap? They've tidied it up quite a bit to get settled into your app
<pontiki> tucket: /join #rubyonrails
<tucket> ty
<tucket> will do
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<hephaestus_rg> i'd like to serialize decks to and from json to save them between starts of my program
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> you asked that a few times already
<shevy> Here is the docu how to use JSON http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.0/libdoc/json/rdoc/JSON.html
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<shevy> so simply go and store the json data somewhere; on startup check that file
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<shortCircuit__> do I need to require minitest for writing a test like this in ruby http://pastie.org/private/ib1nb48crbm2sr39huftxw
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<webgen> hey guys can you help me with nickserv stuff
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<webgen> I want to be able to join #rubyonrails on startup, it requires I have reserved nickname :\
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<certainty> webgen: do /msg nickserv help
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<shevy> you must register webgen https://freenode.net/faq.shtml
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<webgen> thanks !
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<bahamas> hello. how can I find where a method is defined? I have a 'set' method in a file and I want to know what defines it
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<bahamas> the method is not 'required', so I don't even know what module it's coming from
<certainty> bahamas: you might find it using the Method#source_location ... method(:set).source_location
<certainty> ideally receiver.method(:set).source_location
<bahamas> certainty: method(:set).source_location worked. thanks
<bahamas> now to discover what uses that lib
<cleopatra> hello ruby people
<cleopatra> :)
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<cleopatra> mmm
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<bahamas> certainty: can you explain something about ruby? I have a 'set' method in a file. there is no require in that file or anything. how does an external library make that method available, so there is no name error?
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<dionysus69> guys I do identify and it still doesnt log in to rubyonrails channel :\
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<shevy> dionysus69 impossible
<shevy> did you do /msg nickserv identify YOUR_PASSWORD_HERE
<bahamas> can anyone answer the question above about how you can use a method in a file without defining it there or using 'require'?
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<avril14th> bahamas: well, you can meta program it there? Not sure what your question is. You have the method source location, what else do you need?
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<bahamas> avril14th: how do I meta program it?
<apeiros_> bahamas: the only methods that qualify for that are those ruby includes already
<apeiros_> bahamas: otherwise you're asking for the impossible.
<shevy> we can make the impossible happen
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<avril14th> <3
<bahamas> apeiros: the only methods that qualify for what?
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<bahamas> please keep in mind I'm a ruby beginner
<shevy> bahamas a method called set can only work it if it was defined somewhere
<shevy> unless you use method_missing
<apeiros_> or well… I guess you can emulate require using one of the eval variants.
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<bahamas> shevy: this I understand. what I want to understand is what is happening. 'set' is used in a file without being a 'require' in that file
<bahamas> how does this work?
<shevy> wait a moment
<shevy> why would require have to be used there?
<shevy> can't just another file require other files that have it?
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<bahamas> shevy: you mean file A uses 'set'. file B requires 'set' definition and also requires file A?
<shevy> for example
<shevy> not every individual file must carry all dependencies standalone
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<shevy> you could even write .rb files that have only one method each, and then require those individual files
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<shevy> so file foo.rb has: class Foo; def test; end; end and then you have file bar.rb which has class Foo; def bar; end; end ... and if you require both, class Foo will have those two methods
<apeiros_> bahamas: if set was required anywhere in your application, it can be used everywhere
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<bahamas> ok. so that's how 'require' works.
<avril14th> yes
<avril14th> require is "load if you haven't already"
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<avril14th> so if somewhere the file was loaded, then nothing happens
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<apeiros_> and the load is "into the currently running instance", not "into the current file"
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<avril14th> load is everwhere
<bahamas> btw, I see in some files both require "specinfra/helper/set" and include Specinfra::Helper::Set. why is this?
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<avril14th> in your whole program
<avril14th> require is to have a file loaded if needed
<apeiros_> bahamas: the two do entirely different things
<shevy> bahamas you can also simulate require by yourself with eval, as apeiros wrote
<bahamas> avril14th: so it's loading into a global namespace, so to speak?
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<avril14th> yes
<shevy> oh... apeiros_ wrote it... not apeiros ... there is apparently a clone of apeiroses invading this channel
<avril14th> now include / extend / prepend you should look online. It's totally different thing.
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<apeiros_> require -> load a codefile
<apeiros_> include -> add methods and constants from a module to a class/module
<shevy> bahamas every time you use "class" or "module" you add or modify a namespace; class Foo; end <--- Foo is toplevel. module Bar; class Foo; end; end <--- this Foo is a different one residing under the Bar:: namespace
<bahamas> how can I tell which file was actually 'require'd. is there something that gives me the full path?
<shevy> well
<shevy> you could use caller()
<apeiros_> shevy: we're one :-p
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<apeiros_> bahamas: $LOADED_FEATURES
<apeiros_> contains all required files
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<shevy> bahamas you have been using another programming language before right?
<bahamas> shevy: yes, several
<bahamas> python, javascript, lua, haskell, etc.
<shevy> ok, I guess all of them have their ways of loading files
<bahamas> not like ruby. it sounds like ruby's require resembles C's include
<shevy> in ruby you don't have that many ways - require() and load() for the most part
<shevy> nono
<shevy> include works on modules
<shevy> include String # => TypeError: wrong argument type Class (expected Module)
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<shevy> you must require or load external code before you can then use include on any Module defined therein, so require and load come before include's
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<shevy> they probably used include Specinfra::Helper::Set to add up the code that resides under module Set there
<shevy> but before that, they had to require it
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<shevy> python has some fancier way
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<shevy> from matplotlib.numerix import arange, sin, pi
<shevy> pretty cool eh?
<shevy> ruby doesn't have much like that :(
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<shevy> perl is still not dead eam, look:
<bahamas> shevy: so a file called 'serverspec' requires specinfra/helper/set. I require this 'serverspec', but it doesn't make available the 'set' method
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<avril14th> python has the command, ruby has the style
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<shevy> bahamas ok but you know why?
<avril14th> bahamas: if the set method is inside a module, no. All you do when requiring the file is having access to the module which you then need to include or instance use.
<shevy> bahamas because the question is - WHERE is this set() method?
<shevy> if it is not on toplevel, but in a module, you must scope to it
<shevy> OR include the module
<bahamas> yeah. it's in a module
<shevy> >> module Foo; def self.set; puts 'we set bahamas on jamaica!'; end; end; Foo.set()
<eval-in__> shevy => we set bahamas on jamaica! ... (https://eval.in/234711)
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<bahamas> ok, so I need to add include Specinfra::Helper:Set
<shevy> for example
<avril14th> you got it
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<avril14th> but you should read more to understand what's going on. including is a subtle thing
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<bahamas> hm. if I used serverspec in the 'normal' way, I didn't have to do that. I wonder what's different
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<avril14th> the method probably wasn't in a module
<avril14th> so when you loaded the file it was right accessible from the global namespace
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<bahamas> avril14th: you mean the same method is defined somewhere else or what do you mean it wasn't in a module?
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<avril14th> bahamas: one sec
<shevy> bahamas have you looked at the .rb files? I am sure one of them loaded and included that part
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<shevy> it's the only logical thing because otherwise, it could not have possibly worked
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<shevy> for some of my gems, when I am lazy, I create a file called autoinclude.rb which loads the gem and also includes the module automatically
<avril14th> bahamas: start a ruby oncsole, require or load the file https://gist.github.com/muichkine/a9a36d64cbc89d8601f0 and try to access both methods
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<bahamas> shevy: the lib 'serverspec' has a file called 'serverspec.rb'. that file both requires 'specinfra/helper/set' and includes Specinfra::Helper::Set
<shevy> \o/
<bahamas> I require that file somewhere in my files. should that be enough to make 'set' available?
<shevy> I think so
<shevy> I don't know the particulars of that, but you can try for yourself in a test.rb file
<bahamas> if yes, then maybe I'm requiring the wrong one, so I need to see which one I'm requiring
<shevy> test.rb should have content: module Foo; def set; puts 'hi from set'; end; end; include Foo ... and create foo.rb that has: require './test.rb'; set()
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<shevy> or alternative, require_relative 'test.rb' should work... or you can modify the load path so that it works; normally, ruby projects are setup to default to the central ruby loat path
<shevy> on my system this is at /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.1.0/
<shevy> if you do a simple: require 'foo' then it will try to find the file /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.1.0/foo.rb first
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<bahamas> shevy: I have a file that has require "serverspec". if I run this file with ruby file.rb, I can see that the 'set' method is available (because I added a puts method(:set))
<bahamas> if I run the file with vagrant, I get an error about 'set' not being available. do you have any idea what might be happening?
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<shevy> no idea how vagrant works, sorry
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<shevy> if it uses pure ruby then when it works for you in a .rb file, it must work in vagrant too
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<bahamas> shevy: this is the traceback, if it helps https://bpaste.net/show/36fb054be9a9
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<bahamas> I see that my files are 'load'ed
<shevy> yeah that is a crazy path
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<shevy> I'd have absolutely no idea where to start looking what's wrong, I am just glad that my paths are much simpler :)
<shevy> what I suspect is that the include line simply is not done
<bahamas> what do you mean? because I have two different locations?
<shevy> no
<shevy> well that also
<shevy> from /Users/lucian/.vagrant.d/gems/gems
<shevy> but it seems you also have an extra (???) home dir with yet another bunch of gems (?????)
<shevy> I have a system wide installation for gems
<shevy> all my gems are at /usr/lib/ruby/gems/ - no exception ever
<bahamas> now I notice what you mean. it's not loading from the system wide installation for gems
<shevy> oh so you also have a system wide installation
<shevy> it drives me crazy to have things in multiple locations, that's why I try to radically simplify everything
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<shevy> at work I had to use a --home-directory option for gems, as I had no access to /usr/lib*
<shevy> no wait... what was the name...
<bahamas> yeah. it looks like vagrant is searching only in its own locations for gems
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<shevy> gem install --user-install name_of_the_gem_here
<bahamas> since I'm not a ruby user, I didn't notice this
<shevy> I guess there is some way to tell it to use more gem directories
<shevy> but since I always have only one, I don't know
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<bahamas> yeah, I'm looking for a way to specify that
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<bahamas> vagrant comes with its own version of ruby and gem
<shevy> lol
<shevy> am I glad to not know it
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<bahamas> what do you use for vm management?
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<shevy> well I don't really do much with VMs... I guess I used colinux on windows once, qemu for a haiku boot on linux another time... that about sums it up. I couldn't tell you why I would need a VM really either
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<bahamas> I do all my development inside VMs. it's a lot easier to match development and production that way
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<platzhirsch> Morning
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<shevy> hey Platini
<shevy> lol
<platzhirsch> While I won't jump into Ruby coding again straight away, I think it's crucial to hang around here more often
<shevy> I mean platzhirsch
<shevy> are you still in the UK?
<platzhirsch> yes
<shevy> have you become funnier too? you know the monty python effect?
<shevy> try to buy a parrot
<shevy> insist that it is dead
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<platzhirsch> I don't know, I was able to pull off some puns, so yeah.. I guess
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<shevy> oh damn
<shevy> that's the wrong link... they are old men there :(
<platzhirsch> shevy: sorry that I called you rattle snake last night
<shevy> hey
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<shevy> that is the first time I see you here in like 3 months
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<platzhirsch> yeah, since the Android app is now in a good place, I can soon start doing work on our web app/back end/ruby
<shevy> platzhirsch hmm I think I was already in bed at that time
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<platzhirsch> :)
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<platzhirsch> London is a crazy place and I am not exactly on the brightest side in terms of salary, but for my first year of Uni and Mixlr as a startup, that's a pretty amazing place to work right now
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<shevy> do you eat donuts
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<agent_white> I dun think those exist in the UK. Only these things called 'crumpets'
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<shevy> I ate them when I was in London!
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<agent_white> crump'n donuts...
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<avril14th> Dunkin < Krispy Kreme
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<bahamas> shevy. can you explain in more detail how can I see the full path of a required file?
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<shevy> bahamas can you? try to use caller
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<shevy> and $LOAD_PATH and $: I suppose
<shevy> require 'pp'; pp $LOAD_PATH; pp $:; def foo; pp caller; end; foo
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<bahamas> shevy: sorry, I don't understand how to use 'caller'. I tried caller(require "serverspec") and caller("serverspec"), but it doesn't work like that
<shevy> put that in a file: require 'pp'; pp $LOAD_PATH; pp $:; def foo; pp caller; end; foo
<shevy> I don't know what is serverspec
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<bahamas> shevy: thanks. I got some results
<bahamas> if I look for a certain name that was supposed to be imported, it should have a 'caller' too, no?
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<shevy> caller is for methods
<shevy> you can trace back from where methods would have been called
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<shevy> I think you can also use the ruby debugger too
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<shevy> but it's another one of those areas I haven't dived deeper into, for if software becomes so complex that I don't understand, I tend to write my own solution when applicable
<shevy> (if I need something that is)
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<bahamas> is LOAD_PATH cached? I see in it files that no longer exist on my machine.
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<lukbitz> I discovered instance_variable_set or get can break private protection, why use private if everybody can cheat it?
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<avril14th> lukbitz: send can break all protections. It's left willingly so. protected / private are for information and well structure as they enforce simple access, that can be bypassed if needed/done.
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<lukbitz> ab
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<avril14th> ab?
<lukbitz> avril14th: so, security isn't for ruby?
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: we'
<wasamasa> lukbitz: we're consenting adults, not control freaks
<wasamasa> lukbitz: don't enforce java truths onto ruby
<bahamas> why would rake not display the tasks in a file?
<lukbitz> wasamasa: the problem is, if someone else try to get or set some info of my system, this person can edit a important info freely?
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: wat
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: you're mixing up very different things
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: this for instance has nothing to do with ruby's encapsulation: https://xkcd.com/1200/
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<lukbitz> wasamasa: Can't understand. In a perfect world you can think nobody can hack you.
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: besides, it's not like java's encapsulation is impossible to circumvent
<wasamasa> lukbitz: it's just a massive pain
<lukbitz> wasamasa: how you keep your info secure then?
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<lukbitz> why exists 'private'if it is not really private.
<wasamasa> why do people live in societies that can fuck up their lives
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<lukbitz> wasamasa: the fault is not of people.
<wasamasa> lukbitz: it is
<lukbitz> wasamasa: you choose born?
<wasamasa> lukbitz: just like you did choose to discuss something rather unimportant with the wrong mindset
<theotherstupidgu> levels of granularity, ruby fits nice for doing simple small isolated systems that can interface with other systems via a messaging mechanism.
<lukbitz> wasamasa: you really scare me saying these things.
<wasamasa> lukbitz: your english scares me
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<lukbitz> wasamasa: RoR was built above ruby and ruby offers this security.
<theotherstupidgu> i dont know why RoR refuses to di
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<theotherstupidgu> die*
<lukbitz> wasamasa: don't take this personal, I"m talking about ruby.
<chu> Is that a popular view among Rubyists?
<wasamasa> lukbitz: I don't have any idea why you're suggesting I'm taking that personal
<green-big-frog> hi
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<theotherstupidgu> hi
<lukbitz> wasamasa: you're talking about my english.
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<shevy> haha
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<lukbitz> wasamasa: but i understood your concept, there's no security.
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<shevy> lukbitz ruby has a different object model
<shevy> it gives you more freedom than other OOP centric languages
<shevy> you can modify ruby objects at runtime
<shevy> add new behaviour, eliminate old behaviour
<lukbitz> shevy: yes, but let everybody controls your class is a shame.
<wasamasa> lukbitz: why do you think so?
<shevy> that is deliberate
<shevy> you can not steal control over code from a user
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<lukbitz> shevy: I didn't understand, why exists private then if everybody can access your data?
<wasamasa> lukbitz: to structure your code
<shevy> because private in ruby is not private in java
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<shevy> <shevy> lukbitz ruby has a different object model
<wasamasa> lukbitz: public interfaces are for the user to work with, private interfaces are for the programmer to work with
<wasamasa> lukbitz: you are of course free to use the private interfaces as user since the ruby developers were no control freaks
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: however, that has absolutely nothing to do with security
<wasamasa> lukbitz: it's about structuring code
<shevy> what you suggest is a different model where the user of a code is disallowed from accessing objects in ruby
<shevy> and that simply is not the ruby OOP model
<shevy> you want to forbid .send
<borkdude_> is it possible to shift a range with a value, for example (1..10) + 1 so you get 2..11 ?
<shevy> borkdude_ good question
<shevy> NoMethodError: undefined method `+' for 1..10:Range
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> borkdude_ I guess Range itself does not have a trivial way to do that
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<shevy> you could suggest this as a new feature to Range at http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby-trunk
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<lukbitz> shevy: I understand.
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<lukbitz> shevy: so, private is a form to prevent a bad error in the programa and not a way to garantee your software don't will be violated.
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: no
<wasamasa> lukbitz: it's to structure the code
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<lukbitz> wasamasa: right.
<wasamasa> lukbitz: "Use these methods, don't use those methods"
<wasamasa> that's all it says
<wasamasa> I don't even want to know what "violating software" means in that context
<lukbitz> wasamasa: alright, but there's other alternative tool too garantee the security of data?
<shevy> lukbitz in ruby you use private to distinguish between the default (public) methods, which will happen more frequently than those who would be internal (private)
<wasamasa> lukbitz: what the hell is that supposed to mean?
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: is that some sort of security theatre you're playing?
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<shevy> lukbitz there is no alternative to it
<lukbitz> wasamasa: it's about business, that's all.
<wasamasa> lukbitz: so, yes
<shevy> use java
<wasamasa> lukbitz: it's security theater
<wasamasa> lukbitz: if you want to do business with people who are impressed by fat libraries and dead code, use java
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: please don't try making ruby work like java, it's a waste of time
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<lukbitz> wasamasa: right, but try to treat me like a fool.
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<lukbitz> shevy: thanks
<lukbitz> wasamasa: thanks you too sir.
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<shevy> fat libraries and dead code... I have to remember that quote from you wasamasa
<wasamasa> shevy: it's not from me actually, I'll find the link for you
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<lukbitz> avril14th: thank you too
<shevy> oh soahccc... while adding the quote from wasamasa I also found the last one which was from you, last month: <soahccc> I guess ruby just makes you happy... I get angry when looking at PHP or something curly-brace-semicolon-alike
<avril14th> luksauru
<avril14th> *lukbitz
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<lukbitz> wasamasa: just for curiosity, you have something against java :)?
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<shevy> steve is the guy with a million lines of code for his java game right?
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<wasamasa> I bet
<wasamasa> "[…]you use […] Java when you need an especially fat API to impress a client."
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<wasamasa> "And what better language for building big, dead systems than Java?"
<lukbitz> wasamasa: ok, what you use instead of java?
<wasamasa> lukbitz: I have issues with every single programming language I've worked with so far
<wasamasa> lukbitz: so don't you worry
<wasamasa> lukbitz: asides from that, I tend to use programming languages that are well suited for the task at hand
<wasamasa> lukbitz: like, ruby for writing quick and dirty scripts to automate tasks for me
<wasamasa> lukbitz: and for web development at work
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<lukbitz> Right, ruby replaces java so well, like perl.
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<wasamasa> but I've also written java for clients that expected impressive looking loads of code
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<wasamasa> and javascript for clientside web applications
<wasamasa> shevy: steve is also the guy who wrote a javascript parser and interpreter for emacs
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<lukbitz> I have a theory you can't be a one-language-programmer or you will be fustrated or stuck.
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<wasamasa> well, there are people who supposedly get by only writing java :P
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<lukbitz> wasamasa: I want to be a guru of some specific language, but I think it's impossible. Maybe Darwin was right about adapt in the environment you want to work.
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<wasamasa> lukbitz: there are languages simple enough to become an expert at them
<wasamasa> lukbitz: like C or Lisp
<lukbitz> wasamasa: ruby?
<wasamasa> ruby is definitely not simple, it keeps surprising me constantly
<lukbitz> and C is simple?
<wasamasa> it has a tiny standard library and maps down to the machine very well
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<wasamasa> scheme has a smaller specification and a very elegant overall structure
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<lukbitz> The boring of static languages is because they're static, ruby is dynamic, you always are learning.
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<jheg> o/
<jheg> Question regarding initialize method in classes
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<jheg> If I have an Animal parent class and a Human child class
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<jheg> and within Animal I have a initialize method with @name and @gender and I create a new instance of Human that doesn’t have an initialize method do I pass the two args that is required by the parent class when cretaing a new child object?
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<jheg> In that scenario the child class doesnt have any specific states so can just inherit the parent
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<jheg> however am I correct in thinking that the moment the child class does have even just one state of its own I have to then initialize all the states of the parent class in the child classes initialize method?
<jheg> hope that makes sense
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<tuelz> trying to remove hashes in an array that have a nil value with no success
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<avril14th> tuelz: array.compact
<apeiros_> tuelz: empty hashes don't have values, so they don't have values which are nil either
<avril14th> ah no wait
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<apeiros_> uh, worse even.
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<tuelz> apeiros_: ahh, gotcha, so how would I remove the empty hash?
<tuelz> avril14th: no dice on compact
<apeiros_> tuelz: array.reject! { |k, v| # <-- arrays do not have key/value
<avril14th> tuelz: array.select{ |i| i.value.nil? }
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<avril14th> tuelz: array.delete_if{ |i| i.value.nil? } sorry :)
<apeiros_> interesting result you get…
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<tuelz> apeiros_: I know, I just tried in irb and got something different...
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<avril14th> [{:val => 1},{:vvv => nil}].delete_if{ |a| a.value.first.nil? }
<avril14th> >> [{:val => 1},{:vvv => nil}].delete_if{ |a| a.value.first.nil? }
<eval-in__> avril14th => undefined method `value' for {:val=>1}:Hash (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/234888)
<apeiros_> tuelz: no wonder I'm surprised over your result - you do not get that result
<waxjar> array.reject! { |h| h.any?{ |_,v| v.nil? } }
<avril14th> >> [{:val => 1},{:vvv => nil}].delete_if{ |a| a.values.first.nil? }
<eval-in__> avril14th => [{:val=>1}] (https://eval.in/234890)
<avril14th> waxjar version is even better
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* apeiros_ would prefer if people helped tuelz in a way he understands what he actually does
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<apeiros_> because right now they quite obviously don't
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<grn> How can I monkey patch a module in a method? I need a setup method that performs the patch.
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<apeiros_> grn: it sounds like you're doing something horribly bad in a very bad way. how you can do it: use module_eval
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<tuelz> apeiros_: in my app I
<tuelz> 'm getting that result
<tuelz> in irb I don
<tuelz> 't
<apeiros_> tuelz: then you don't do in your app what you do in irb
<tuelz> apeiros_: I know, lol trying to figure out the difference now
<apeiros_> either not the same data, not the same code, or both.
<apeiros_> my bet is on data.
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<avril14th> tuelz: not same code could appear if you do irb on one side and rails console on the other though
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<tuelz> trying to remove all hashes with a value of nil
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<tuelz> which I guess don't actually exist?
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<tuelz> or only exist as emnpty hashes
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<Senjai> You may wish to check out that one
<tuelz> Senjai: thanks
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<waxjar> just a nitpick: an empty Hash is {}, { :key => nil } isn't empty :)
<waxjar> it has a key :key, with value nil.
<tuelz> waxjar: thanks for the clarification
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<Senjai> I also am not to keen on that structure
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<Senjai> Not sure if you have control over that or not
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<Senjai> tuelz: myArray.select { |hash| hash.values.all? { |val| val.present? }}
<Senjai> would be my preferred solution
<Senjai> But again, I would structure the data a lot better if you have the ability to do it
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<tuelz> Senjai: yeah I guess I should've realized the structure sucked about 5 minutes into playing with it
<tuelz> :p
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<Senjai> Is it a structure you made?
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<tuelz> Senjai: yeah, after some manipulaation my code made it that way
<Senjai> Okay
<Senjai> SO you're solving a problem you dont need to solve
<tuelz> not entirely on purpose, just bad forsight
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<tuelz> exactly
<Senjai> tuelz: You should begin by asking yourself if what you're trying to do is harder than it should be
<tuelz> the problem is I should've never made that structure :p
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<druznek> Hi to all :))
<Senjai> more often if you're trying to force a square peg into a round hole
<Senjai> you can do it better
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<tuelz> Senjai: remind me that every 30 minutes and I'll be good :p
<Senjai> Problem #1, hashes don't have to have their own position, you can put hashes in an array, the array will contain the appropriate order
<druznek> Quick question: has Dir.tmpdir been removed from the standard library?
<tuelz> knowing and drawing upon that knowledge are very different things for me >.<
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<Senjai> tuelz: Secondly, if this is like a question with multiple choice answers
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<Senjai> tuelz: I would have each hash have a question key, and an answers key, where answers would be an array of answer objects
<druznek> Senjai, i have already seen the docs, i wanted to make sure. :)
<Senjai> tuelz: Which hints that you should actually have an array of something called Question
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<druznek> was the method moved or just removed?
<Senjai> Where question has a body and has a list of possible Answer's
<Senjai> druznek: Idno mang
<Senjai> druznek: Dir.methods.grep /tmp/
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<druznek> >> Dir.methods.grep /tmp/
<eval-in__> druznek => [] (https://eval.in/234895)
<druznek> []
<druznek> damn
<Senjai> tuelz: ANd that's where OOP comes in, object orientated programming, so its likely that these shouldn't be just hashes :P
<druznek> Ok, thank you Senjai
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<Senjai> druznek: Why do you need it?
<druznek> :)
<tuelz> Senjai: makes sense.
<druznek> I need the location of the tmpdir on the system
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<Senjai> druznek: if unix, /tmp, if windows, %TEMP%
<druznek> and i wanted to make sure that is system independent
<Senjai> iirc
<druznek> yes i know
<Senjai> Also
<Senjai> why do you need the system tmp directory
<Senjai> Just make your own tmp directory local to your project
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<druznek> I think this will be my go to solution
<druznek> I didn't want to deal with the tmp cleanup\
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<Senjai> druznek: Looks like it was just extracted
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<Senjai> you'll have to require 'tmpdir' now
<Senjai> apeiros_: Did I explain the things correctly :P
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<apeiros_> Senjai: tl;dr
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<Senjai> That's okay
<Senjai> just say yes
<apeiros_> it was a splendid explanation
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<druznek> Thank you Senjai :)
<apeiros_> I agree that this data does not look like it wants to be arrays & hashes
<apeiros_> proper classes ftw.
<Senjai> right :P
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<certainty> Senjai: well using /tmp can have advantages. for example on many systems /tmp is the mountpoint for for the tmp partition. Thus it is marked noexec, nosuid etc.
<certainty> that is somethin you don't have if you use your own
<certainty> putting aside all the talk about standards and things
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<Senjai> certainty: I agree :P
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<marcules> hi
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<waxjar> hi
<kaspergrubbe> wup
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<GaryOak_> how's it going?
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<dionysus69> hello guys, I to do this online ordering website and since I am attracted by the enigmatic charm of ruby, I wanted to use RoR for it. Could anyone please direct me to the most up to date/"best" tutorial for RoR? any details I might need to know? I have tried lynda tutorial RoR 4 essentials, it wasnt quite the thing I wanted. Could you please direct me and share your personal experiences perhaps?
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<kaspergrubbe> dionysus69: I quite enjoyed https://leanpub.com/tr4w when I started with Rails a few years ago
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<dionysus69> kaspergrubbe: will take a look, appreciated alot!
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<green-big-frog> hi
<cschneid> Does anybody have a pointer on how .ruby-version and rbenv work together? I have `2.1` in a ruby-version and rbenv doesn't find my 2.1.3 install.
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<soahccc> cschneid: I think it auto detects it? I use chruby and I also don't have to type the whole thing... `chruby 2` matches 2.1.0 or `chruby perf` matches 1.9.3-perf
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<cschneid> soahccc: interestingly there's a `rbenv alias` plugin which solves this. `rbenv alias 2.1 2.1.5` sets that
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<jhass> dionysus69: Please do not crosspost without at least telling so. Experience shows that people don't bother to inform the other channels of provided solutions, therefore it is considered rude.
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<dionysus69> jhass: the only reason I posted here was that the other channel is half as active, no one responded :\
<jhass> no reason to not inform about it
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<dionysus69> jhass: ok sorry, will do in future :)
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<jhass> all there's to expect ;)
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<pimeys_> I'm having a problem with HTTP headers. Currently I'm using mongrel2 as a http server and get the headers as JSON. The headers string is ASCII, but when I parse the json to a ruby hash, all strings turn into UTF-8.
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<pimeys_> What is the best practise: convert the keys and values to UTF-8 or keep them in ASCII somehow?
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<apeiros_> pimeys_: there is no ascii json. json is utf-8.
<pimeys_> of course when you have some non-utf8 characters in ASCII, you convert the string to UTF-8, you can fail pretty hard with some string operations if there's some weird characters.
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* jhass fetches popcorn
<pimeys_> apeiros_: yep, but again mongrel2 is returning the headers as ASCII string, which is JSON
<pimeys_> should I ask from the mongrel people, can it be a problem with mongrel2?
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<pimeys_> that it should handle the encoding of the string
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<apeiros_> *sob*
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<apeiros_> jhass: can I get some of your popcorn?
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<jhass> nah, you're part of the play, no popcorn for the actors!
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<apeiros_> down with the 4th wall!
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<jhass> pimeys_: so, do you have an actual problem? like some code not working?
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<pimeys_> jhass: yes, happends very rarely, but sometimes we have faulty headers
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<jhass> like?
<pimeys_> having weird characters, like every 100M requests
<jhass> example?
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<pimeys_> I have a test case now, which is crashing, when user agent is "User\xF2Agent"
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<jhass> crashing how? why do I need to squeeze every detail out of you?
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<pimeys_> "User\xF2Agent".split
<pimeys_> ArgumentError: invalid byte sequence in UTF-8
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<apeiros_> pimeys_: your string isn't even ascii.
<pimeys_> I know
<apeiros_> lol
<apeiros_> ok
<pimeys_> but sometimes headers have weird characters
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<pimeys_> for some weird reason
<apeiros_> I'm out of this. there be insanity.
<pimeys_> like I said, around every 100M request
<jhass> soo
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<jhass> this probably is just some fuzzer
<jhass> what's your question again?
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<jhass> given we determined that this is not ASCII and not UTF-8
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<apeiros_> thanks banister
<pimeys_> trying to figure out if the headers are ASCII, but mongrel sends them as JSON, should the parsed hash also be ASCII or should we handle the faulty characters after parsing the json using scrub or something
<pimeys_> I know how to fix this, but I'd like to have some sense for the problem before going furthe
<pimeys_> r
<jhass> apeiros_ already said that JSON is defined to be in UTF-8
<jhass> if you get invalid UTF-8 you get invalid JSON
<pimeys_> yep, and headers should be ASCII
<jhass> for this matters, every valid ASCII is valid UTF-8
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<pimeys_> and it seems mongrel2 is still sending the headers as JSON, but the string format seems to be ASCII
<jhass> what's .encoding saying exactly?
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<apeiros_> jhass: you cheater. eating popcorn before becoming an actor. *pouts*
<jhass> ASCII-8bit is ruby's way of saying "random byte sequence"
<jhass> apeiros_: :P
<Hanmac> jhass: "Invalid UTF8, invalid JSON" ;P sounds like some saying from one of the Pirates of the caribian movies ;p
* apeiros_ still considers "ascii-8bit" a misnomer
<jhass> yeah
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<apeiros_> but I guess the intention was to say: "7bit are ascii, 8bit bytes are possible"
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<apeiros_> s/are ascii/are interpreted as ascii/
<apeiros_> after all, binary could also be ebcdic or whatsitsname
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<Hanmac> today will be the last time i could be online at home because my system died and the RAID could not protect me ... i will send in my harddrives to restore data even if it does cost me "much" money
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<apeiros_> Hanmac: :(
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<apeiros_> Hanmac: good luck!
<apeiros_> Hanmac: when do you expect to be back?
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<eam> Hanmac: backups :( raid is for HA, not data protection
<apeiros_> reminds me that I still need an off-site backup
<Hanmac> eam: yeah ... if i still have some money i will buy an NAS next year ...
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<Hanmac> apeiros_ i buyed new harddrives already and will install a total new system at the weekend ... but i try to be online at work ;P
<eam> I just spent a tiny bit on a usb external drive
<pimeys_> hmm, when digging further it looks like it's actually ZeroMQ which is encoding the string as ASCII-8BIT
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<pimeys_> uuh
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<jhass> so, as said don't view "ascii-8bit" as ascii
<Hanmac> eam what does mean HA in your last sentence?
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<jhass> view it as "I've no clue what this is"
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<jhass> true ascii would be US-ASCII
<jhass> iirc
<apeiros_> yes
<apeiros_> ascii = 7bit
<eam> Hanmac: high availability
<apeiros_> binary (in any meaningful modern system) = 8bit
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<apeiros_> so "\xF2" -> *not* ascii.
<eam> RAID is for tolerating a fault and staying live, which is a use case distinct from disaster recovery
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<apeiros_> hm… I just realized that I can throw away redundancy in the offsite backup. so I don't have to buy the same size of disks for it.
<Hanmac> eam my current problem: the raid worked and the data is still there ... its only the LVM metadata that got corupted ... (and so it cant find the logical volumes in the RAID)
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<finges> Anyone have any good resources on how to deal with Gem versioning conflicts. I have 2 gems that require different versions of Rspec.
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<jhass> there's not much you can do, find the version that require compatible versions and/or get upstream of both to support the newest version
<jhass> which gems are we talking about?
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<finges> rspec-puppet and serverspec 2
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<bricker`work> finges: yeah you'll just have to downgrade one of the gems probably. Bundler is just doing its job :)
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<finges> rspec-puppet is getting close I think to pushing to rspec3. Serverspec v2 only supports rspec 3
<finges> Yep... I suspected as much.
<bricker`work> finges: or, better yet, fork rspec-puppet, add rspec 3 support, and then open a PR with them.
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<jhass> if you use bundler and there's a branch somewhere that supports 3, you can try using that
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<pipework> finges: If rspec-puppet has tests, try just bumping the rspec version constraint in the gemfile to allow for rspec 3 and then run the tests.
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<shevy> pipework!
<shevy> there you are
<shevy> where have you been?
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<pipework> shevy: Trying to prevent myself from sobering up, why?
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<shevy> people have been forgetting about the importance of good documentation while you were gone
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<godd2> yea it's all your fault pipework
* pipework promises never to almost sober up ever again.
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<pipework> I'll do my part.
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<shevy> \o/
<shevy> also people
<shevy> write more gems
<shevy> we need to dethrone cpan
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<godd2> shevy im doin my best. I already have 2 up
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<godd2> we only need, what, 48,000 more gems or so?
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<GaryOak_> can anyone actually write perl code, or do they just use a library?
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<eam> GaryOak_: perl's pretty easy to work with
<eam> if you can write ruby you can write perl
<GaryOak_> I haven't even looked at, but only heard so much stuff surrounding it, I guess similar to the ruby community
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<hdrv> godd2: and now we only need 39,998! good job ;)
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<sandelius> hello my fellow rubyists. Is there a javascript ninja here that could help me translate this ruby snippet into javascript? https://gist.github.com/sandelius/37725e6248e00d80e1ec
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<Hanmac> eam what do you say about that cruelity that while the LVM metadata is real data is more or less there, but not available for me? ... i think karma does go some very good stuff for me next year to equal that shit out ...
<havenwood> sandelius: http://opalrb.org
<Hanmac> *the lvm data is gone*
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<eam> Hanmac: bummer :(
<sandelius> havenwood yeah tried it but it put a lot opal javascript in the compiled version.
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<havenwood> sandelius: so you want a to_url function in js?
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<sandelius> havenwood no I'm just fiddleing around and find more reasons why I should avoid node and js :)
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<sandelius> havenwood we get soo much from Ruby and it would be nice to see how javascript would do this.
<sandelius> havenwood It's node hysteria at my work and I'm trying to calm the boys down :)
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<havenwood> sandelius: JavaScript is far from my forte. I think ##javascript is probably the best place to ask, they shouldn't have trouble with that Ruby.
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<Pumukel> Hi, did anyone ever used unicorn combined with mozilla-circus instead of piping the sockets throug nginx?
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<Pumukel> I search for a documentation or something of the configuration for unicorn to be able to use unicorn as flexible as possible with circus
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<Hanmac> so i will shutdown my pc and deassable it ... we will see each other in the next live ... *plays a farwell song*
<pontiki> it's been lovely, Hanmac
<pontiki> we shall miss you both, and await your return in the summerland
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<AxonetBE> what are you usign as replacement string in an url? I was using for example /wsdl/:marketplace/:feed_id/:order_id/:action.xml"
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<jhass> AxonetBE: Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ help
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<Pumukel> which is the right ruby channel to get answers on unicorn?
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<pontiki> Pumukel: this and #rubyonrails would be my choices. however, it doesn't necessarily mean anyone in either place has the answers you're seeking
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<all-liquid> guys is ruby available on Windows platform?
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<shevy> godd2 good, you are a busy beaver but the others here are slacking
<GaryOak_> all-liquid: yes http://rubyinstaller.org/
<all-liquid> GaryOak_ nice:) thanks man
<godd2> all-liquid yes I develop in winders
<shevy> godd2 I am trying to finish most of my rewrites before 2014 is over; in 2015 I will dive into C and rails so it'll be busy (programming is only and ever a hobby for me)
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<all-liquid> godd2 https://bitnami.com/stack/ruby/installer and this http://railsinstaller.org/en is what I've got, im doing right so far right?
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<godd2> all-liquid Ive only ever done it the RubyInstaller way, but that should work too
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<all-liquid> godd2 thanks for heads up man
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<sandelius> How cannot people jump the node train and miss out on ruby stdlib or even python. Not even usable loops in javascript. This makes me angry!
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<godd2> yea! screw javascript! *goes back to opal development*
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<miah> i find the ruby stdlib a bit lacking; especially when it comes to unix'y stuff
<eam> miah: +1 to that
<waxjar> what do you miss? :o
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<miah> minitar is a mess
<miah> the ssh gem is unmaintained
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<eam> waxjar: the object model fights with you if you do anything complex
<sandelius> miah then we have stuff to do this weekend ;)
<eam> there's no good 1:1 map for basic posix functions
<miah> there are for a few
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<eam> here's a concrete example: I was doing descriptor passing over a unix domain socket
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<miah> those are handy; but ya
<miah> few and far between
<eam> there's sort of a half-assed collection of stuff in UNIXSocket for passing a fd, but it returns it as a generic IO
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<miah> interesting
<eam> so you have to muck around with a ton of crap to map it around to a different type
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<eam> all I really want is to be able to use a descriptor directly
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<miah> i was having a really hard time getting unixsocket stuff working when i was trying to build a tool to speak to syslog-ng (and haproxy)
<miah> but its been a while and i dont recall the exact issue
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<bitcycle> Hey all.
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<eam> the right way to do things is to implement a 1:1 interface of the underlying api, then throw an object layer on top for simple use cases
<pontiki> hi
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<eam> but most of the ruby stuff is *only* the object layer and you have to write ffi if your use case doens't fit it
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<bitcycle> Could someone help me understand how to pass all arguments to a base class from a class that inherits from Base?
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<godd2> bitcycle super *args ?
<miah> eam: ya that seems to be the case
<pontiki> you mean via super, bitcycle ?
<miah> use ffi for everything
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<godd2> on line 17, the Dog constructor is calling the parent method of the same name (initialize) with the "super" method.
<godd2> oops, I forgot to inherit from Animal. refresh to see the change
<godd2> I always forget one thing
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<unholycrab> i want to load a required gem by its source code, instead of doing apt-get install rubygems; gem install somegem. is this a good idae?
<unholycrab> i would rather package it all together and require gem by its absolute path
<miah> why require by absolute path?
<miah> i mean; require 'foo/bar' is gonna work
<pontiki> gem install is better than using apt-get install, but should not need the absolute path for require
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<miah> you can use bundler, or a dependency in your .gemspec to add dependencies.
<pontiki> ^
<miah> otherwise you're gonna have a bad time
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<unholycrab> i guess im just trying to avoid installing packages on a host
<unholycrab> thanks miah
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<miah> you can 'bundle package'
<miah> ship your app, with its vendor/cache
<unholycrab> yeah there we go
<miah> untar
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<miah> bundle install
<miah> and its magical
<unholycrab> this is probably what im looking for
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<unholycrab> man this channel is good im becomming such a pro now
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<miah> <3
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<hfp> Hey all, I'm a bit confused how to install Ruby on a server. I am trying to setup a dev/staging VM and I need Ruby on it to run Adhearsion (VoIP framework). I was thinking going with rbenv, but it seems it installs only for a specific user and not system wide?
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<pipework> hfp: You probably need to read the README.
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<pipework> I know that RVM and ruby-install/chruby support installing and using rubies system-wide.
<hfp> pipework: Ok, maybe I misunderstood then
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<jhass> unholycrab: also check bundle install --deployment
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<jhass> hfp: depending on the OS there might be packages with recent versions
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<louism2wash> Hey guys, If I clone a project that has it's gems cached in directory in the project do I still need to run 'bundle install' or does the project know to reference the vendor/cache directory to look for gems?
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<jhass> both
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<jhass> vendor/cache caches the gem files
<jhass> it does not cache the installed versions
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<jhass> but if the cache is fully populated, bundle install will make no network connect
<jhass> also make sure to use bundle install --deployment on the server
<jhass> bundle help package and bundle help install have more info
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<miah> if you want it to be local packages only you need to pass --deployment or --local
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<miah> but ya; read the docs =)
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<epitron> i wonder why "rails new" doesn't also do "git init; git add .; git commit -m 'First commit'"
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<miah> because people may use something other than git
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<epitron> but rails is opinionated! :)
* epitron adds that to his ~/.railsrc
<miah> i know; and i avoid it like the plague
<ReinH> epitron: It's opinionated about things it can control.
<ReinH> It can't control whether or not you have git installed.
<epitron> gem install git
<epitron> :D
<bitcycle> godd2: Hey, just got back from lunch. Thanks for that example! super(*args) is what I was looking for, and that will send _all_ stuff to the constructor of the base class, right?
<epitron> i wonder how much slower a pure-ruby git would be
<shevy> bitcycle depends on what args is
<ReinH> epitron: A rough guess? 100x slower.
<epitron> hahah
<godd2> bitcycle only if the class sending the args has *args in its method call
<ReinH> epitron: I'm not joking...
<epitron> yeppp
<ReinH> git is extremely fast even for C
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<epitron> mercurial is at least 10x slower than git
<epitron> and that's only in PYTHON
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<bitcycle> godd2, shevy, hmm... in python there's *args and **kwargs that are builtin to the language syntax. Is there such a thing in ruby? I just assumed that args was a thing.
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<shevy> you can not rename args in python?
<godd2> bitcycle ** works for keyword arguments in ruby
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<bitcycle> godd2: so, def foo(**kw_args_hash) would work?
<epitron> foo to the power of kw_args_hash
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<shevy> you use weird names man
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<epitron> sorry
<epitron> foo (to the power of kw_args_hash)
<shevy> >> def foo(**kw_args_hash); end
<eval-in__> shevy => :foo (https://eval.in/235057)
<godd2> bitcycle I haven't used ** yet, I just know it's there. lemme find an article on line that will walk through it
<epitron> i still don't really use ruby kwargs either
<epitron> i think i used them once or twice
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<bitcycle> epitron: I read an article once upon a time that talked about ruby not supporting the **kwargs syntax, and that it said that you should just pass a hash as a single argument and parse the hash.
<epitron> i guess, if you break your code up into lots of little methods, you don't need methods with so many options that you need to start naming them
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<junix659> i just installed something using gem as a user, and deleted it from my homedir, now after I installed the same program as root, when I execute this as a user it says it can't find the program (tmuxinator) what did I do wrong? I can't find the path n my profile
<epitron> bitcycle: that was before they added kwargs
<bitcycle> epitron: tell me about it. Legacy code can be a pain to work with.
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<epitron> kwargs are relatively new
<bitcycle> epitron: I'm using ruby 1.9.2p290
<godd2> keyword args are great for code that you intend to be used by other developers
<epitron> ah
<epitron> then you'll have to use hashes
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<epitron> def method(options={})
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<godd2> setting defaults on an options hash can be a hassle
<epitron> method :opt=>value, :opt2=>value2
<epitron> the pattern i used to use was: options[:opt] ||= default
<bitcycle> godd2: does the hash class in ruby have a getter that allows for a default value when the key isn't present?
<epitron> just a bunch of those at the top of your method
<godd2> bitcycle yes. you pass a block to Hash.new
<epitron> or you an go, "defaults = { ... }; options = defaults.merge(options)"
<bitcycle> epitron: ah, that's right. cool.
<epitron> or you just pass a value
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<epitron> Hash.new(5)
<shevy> >> hash = Hash.new; hash.default = "We go fishing."; hash[:yo]
<eval-in__> shevy => "We go fishing." (https://eval.in/235062)
<epitron> that'll make a hash that returns 5 instead of nil
<shevy> bitcycle ^^^
<bitcycle> Hey all. Thanks for the help in understanding ruby classes and super.
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<epitron> BYE BYE
<godd2> >> hash = Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = 7 }; hash[:a]
<eval-in__> godd2 => 7 (https://eval.in/235063)
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<epitron> >> hash = Hash.new {|h,k| h[k] = h }; hash[:whee]; hash
<eval-in__> epitron => {:whee=>{...}} (https://eval.in/235065)
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<epitron> INFINITE HASH
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<godd2> I wonder what the Hausdorff dimension of that hash is
<epitron> haha
<pipework> epitron: Well, that's not as nice as this.
<epitron> i used to know how to calculate that
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<pipework> >> Hash.new {|h,k| h[k] = h.class.new(&h.default_proc);h }
<eval-in__> pipework => {} (https://eval.in/235067)
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<pipework> >> Hash.new {|h,k| h[k] = h.class.new(&h.default_proc);h[:lol][:wat][:now] }
<eval-in__> pipework => {} (https://eval.in/235068)
<haha> hello
<shevy> that nick makes me laugh
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<Guest72086> :D
<shevy> that nick makes me sad
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<shevy> now you are one among many
<godd2> was it any different before?
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<Guest72086> well, innovative user names are hard to be unique
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<Guest72086> What is the way to do what we used to do in C, press Y to enter again. I have a hash like items = {rice: 100, milk: 20} and I would like the user to enter the item and quantity, multiple times and calculate the resultant price.
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<epitron> is there a way to implement mkdir_p with Hash.new{} ?
<epitron> i think i tried that at first
<epitron> i ended up having to do recursion
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<epitron> i don't think you can take a flat structure and apply it recursively to a chain of methods
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<epitron> YOU HAVE A CHALLENGE PEOPLE
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<Guest72086> o/
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<Zleec> is this the channel for rails stuff?
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<godd2> Zleec no, you want #rubyonrails
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<Zleec> godd2 thanks
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<Guest72086> ok gn8
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<pipework> Ah yes, all hail the good nate.
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<eguneys> how can I do this http://pastebin.com/mMYQs4fL
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<mozzarella> do what
<eguneys> build a hash while omitting nil values
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<godd2> epitron I got the first part: https://gist.github.com/nicklink483/6eaa693f10aa74b70076
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<godd2> it creates well enough, but it doesn't update correctly
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<mallu> I'm trying to install minitest-chef-handler gem. One of the dependency is chef. How can I tell the gem to use currently install chef?
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<havenwood> eguneys: You can probably simplify things. But I'll just throw this out there: %w[display_name reputation age].map.with_object({}) { |meth, hash| value = user.public_send(meth) and hash[meth] = value }
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<havenwood> though I guess `each_with_object` instead of `map.with_object` >.>
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<havenwood> just just: hash = {}; ...; hash
<havenwood> or just*
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<waxjar> note that'll also omit "false" as a value, not just nil
<havenwood> apparently trying to eat a hot dog and code is too much for me to do at once
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<havenwood> but i finished the dog :)
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<havenwood> %w[display_name reputation age].each_with_object({}) { |meth, hash| value = user.public_send(meth); hash[meth] = value unless value.nil? }
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<havenwood> seems #each_with_object should really be named #map_with_object
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<waxjar> hmm, you're not mapping over the original collection in the sense of #map and #map!
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<havenwood> waxjar: aren't you?
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<havenwood> waxjar: just instead of reducing by shoveling onto an Array, you're supplying the initial object and doing the reducing step manually
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<havenwood> waxjar: but the returning of the initial object seems more map-like than each-like to me
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<havenwood> waxjar: wtb transducers :P
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<havenwood> i'd like #map to take an optional argument for alternative initial object, then another optional reducing step
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<havenwood> so the verbose expression of current behavior would be: map [], :<<
<waxjar> that seems more like a #reduce/#inject to me than a #map
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<havenwood> waxjar: i like the way they're doing it in Clojure 1.7
<waxjar> #each_with_object is more of a #reduce as well, except you don't have to return the accumulator at the end of the block
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<zenspider> alternative initial object?
<zenspider> that doesn't make sense
<havenwood> zenspider: so instead of shoveling onto an array, have something other than an array be the initial object
<zenspider> initial object? you mean collection, no?
<waxjar> for #map i'd except just a transformation of each element, not of the container itself
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<godd2> zenspider transducers return transducers so you can shovel onto anything you want
<zenspider> map totally works on ANY enumerable, so you're not confined to shoveling onto an array
<zenspider> godd2: don't tell me that. tell havenwood :P
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<havenwood> zenspider: just using clojure terminology. it works off of any source collection that mixes in Enumerable. but all those Enumerable reducing methods reduce to an Array.
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<havenwood> zenspider: No matter what you're mapping from, you're mapping to an Array.
<zenspider> this is true
<zenspider> I haven't had it be a problem that I recall. I don't remember if the current version does, but it would be nice if it at least respected subclasses
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<havenwood> So the idea is, same old map, just an option to map to something other than an Array with a reducing step other than :<<.
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<havenwood> Cognitect made a RubyGem that'll let you do it but the syntax is awkward and they don't take pull requests: https://github.com/cognitect-labs/transducers-ruby#readme
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<zenspider> not sure why you keep using terms like reducing when you're not reducing...
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<havenwood> zenspider: That's just what the Clojure folk call it. The reducing step.
<havenwood> I'm probably using it inartfully given this is #ruby. :P
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<zenspider> it's not called reduce/reduce. it's called map/reduce. for a reason. they're math terms and they make sense.
<godd2> zenspider aparently they are all kinds of folding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fold_%28higher-order_function%29
<havenwood> zenspider: but within a map is a reduce
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<havenwood> whatever, i should be using Ruby terminology
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<zenspider> havenwood: I disagree
<zenspider> hrm... I've not seen haskell's foldt and foldi. what does the t and i stand for?
<waxjar> i think most (all?) the Enumerable methods can be implemented in terms of a reduce
<zenspider> tree?
<godd2> interleave perhaps?
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<zenspider> waxjar: sure they can. or map. or each. or whatever. that's part of the beauty
<waxjar> but once something's called map, it shouldn't behave like reduce anymore :P
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<zenspider> interleave? increment?
<zenspider> λ> putStrLn $ foldi (\x y -> concat ["(",x,"+",y,")"]) "0" (map show [1..13])
<zenspider> (1+((2+3)+(((4+5)+(6+7))+((((8+9)+(10+11))+(12+13))+0))))
<zenspider> trying to make sense of that one
<zenspider> looks like it is doing one more group each time
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<zenspider> 1 + 2 + 2/2 + (2/2)2 ... I dunno if that's the pattern
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<zenspider> nor do I have any clue when I'd want to do that
<zenspider> foldt looks interesting, still not sure when I'd want it
<zenspider> but I can come up with some BS example for it, I'm sure
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<zenspider> foldi :: (a -> a -> a) -> a -> [a] -> a
<zenspider> foldi f z [] = z
<zenspider> foldi f z (x:xs) = f x (foldi f z (pairs f xs))
<zenspider> I _think_ that's going the way I (poorly) described
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<godd2> zenspider it's probably more useful with monads
<zenspider> I know more ML than I know haskell, but they're pretty close in this regard
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<akaiiro> hello guys
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<akaiiro> is there a way to make this regexp simpler?
<akaiiro> ([12][1-9A-HJ-NP-Za-z]{26,33}\,)*([12][1-9A-HJ-NP-Za-z]{26,33}\z){1}
<shevy> hmmmmm
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<pipework> akaiiro: Maybe bring it to ##regex or something like that.
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<shevy> that's an example for a regex that has gone cancer
<akaiiro> LOL!
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<akaiiro> yes
<godd2> akaiiro well "simpler" could just mean that you construct the regex ahead of time giving various pieces names so that it's easier to understand
<shevy> what should it match against anyway?
<godd2> looks like serial numbers?
<akaiiro> bitcoin base58 addresses
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<CrazyM4n> There's a ##regex? I'd like to think that they just talk about regex golfing the whole time
<godd2> ah then probably not. those are generated cryptographically so the regexes are gonna be horrendous
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<shevy> hehehe
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<akaiiro> Bitcoin address is an identifier (account number), starting with 1 or 3 and containing 27-34 alphanumeric Latin characters (except 0, O, I)
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<akaiiro> mmmmm
<godd2> [^0OI]
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<zenspider> godd2: that matches too much
<zenspider> but while a 2-pass regex might be easier to read, it'll be 2x slower
<godd2> I know, but he can exclude from an existing range
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<CrazyM4n> How about /.*/
<CrazyM4n> That should match it
<CrazyM4n> :P
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<akaiiro> I have a field that can hold a list of those
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<akaiiro> so it could be something like
<godd2> akaiiro you also have to consider what is surrounding your target search. if what you're regexing over only has addresses, then you dont have to worry about much
<akaiiro> 1FicJjxAbzUb9zULjBVxqobQWYToq4VmTW,1FicJjxAbzUb9zULjBVxqobQWYToq4VmTW,1rBauUTxko6FBiLspFMGEe1FWdLW49DjfR
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<zenspider> akaiiro: you might want to just have a single regexp for the hash itself, deal with the comma separation separately.
<godd2> >> "1FicJjxAbzUb9zULjBVxqobQWYToq4VmTW,1FicJjxAbzUb9zULjBVxqobQWYToq4VmTW,1rBauUTxko6FBiLspFMGEe1FWdLW49DjfR".scan /[^,]+/
<eval-in__> godd2 => ["1FicJjxAbzUb9zULjBVxqobQWYToq4VmTW", "1FicJjxAbzUb9zULjBVxqobQWYToq4VmTW", "1rBauUTxko6FBiLspFMGEe1FWdLW49DjfR"] (https://eval.in/235110)
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<zenspider> at the veriy least, you can nuke {1} immediately
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<zenspider> I'd also write it as (pat)(,pat)*
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<zenspider> I suspect yours can have some wierd backtracking characteristics
<zenspider> tho I've not dabbled in that shit for quite some time
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<pipework> Regexp.union is really useful.
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<akaiiro> ok, all check those options :)
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<bl4ckdu5t> If I'm to display IP address of remote user from a jekyll blog, how can I do this?
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<bl4ckdu5t> I know of the request in rails but I think that's just rails
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<zenspider> bl4ckdu5t: that's pretty standard to CGI in general, so I think you have it in sinatra or anything with an http request/response
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<pipework> bl4ckdu5t: In a jekyll block, those are typically static, so you'd need to use JS to determine the IP address.
<bl4ckdu5t> zenspider: I just tried request.path and I saw nothing
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<bl4ckdu5t> pipework: I never knew js could do that
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<rpag> JS and a third party service can
<pipework> You'd have to either provide a service or use one. There's ifconfig.me/ip for a service.
<bl4ckdu5t> ok thanks
<pipework> s/block/blog/
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<zenspider> I totally overlooked the jekyll part. :)
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<dmarr> Anyone know why i'd see this with gulp-ruby-sass: Encoding::CompatibilityError: incompatible character encodings: ASCII-8BIT and UTF-8
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<zenspider> dmarr: because they're incompatible? you're prolly reading in binary and passing through utf8 regexps?
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<dmarr> hmm its possible. feel like it might be an enviroment thing, my coworkers are running the same task with the same version of ruby and don't get this error
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<godd2> zenspider mapping is just reducing into a collection.
<godd2> >> [1,2,3].reduce([]) {|acc, i| acc << i*2}
<eval-in__> godd2 => [2, 4, 6] (https://eval.in/235112)
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<godd2> >> [1,2,3].map {|i| i*2}
<eval-in__> godd2 => [2, 4, 6] (https://eval.in/235113)
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<godd2> when havenwood was referring to the "reducing step", he just meant the << in my first example
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<pipework> >> [1,2,3].each_with_object([]) {|item, arr| arr << item * 2}
<eval-in__> pipework => [2, 4, 6] (https://eval.in/235114)
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<pipework> >> [1,2,3].each_with_object([]) {|item, arr| arr << (item * 2)}
<eval-in__> pipework => [2, 4, 6] (https://eval.in/235115)
<pipework> Oh good, I was worried that really took 40s
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<godd2> pipework if you click on the link, it says it took 0.056 seconds
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<pipework> godd2: Oh neat.
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<pipework> godd2: It'd require actual benchmarking, but I think the each_with_object approach would be fastest.
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<zenspider> dmarr: environment can def be part of it
<zenspider> dmarr: eg: echo $LANG
<zenspider> mine is en_US.UTF-8
<zenspider> yours might be C
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<zenspider> godd2: that's _one_ way of doing it, yes. so not "just"
<dmarr> mine is en_US.UTF-8
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<zenspider> dmarr: ok. my original desc might be backwards. maybe the code is reading in via your env but has an internal encoding of binary
<zenspider> test with LANG=C ./script.rb
<zenspider> (or just look at the IO code)
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