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<zenspider> imperator: is there anything I can add to clarify for someone who doesn't breathe lexers/parsers but maybe wants to get into it?
<zenspider> ... excluding adding a whole section on formal language theory... that is.
<zenspider> tho I suppose I could link off to resources...
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<chris2> zenspider: ... if they are constants
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<chris2> makes them look like real ones
<chris2> zenspider: and note that this is not like lex in that longest match doesnt win, but first match does
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<imperator> zenspider, probably just link off to resources
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<zenspider> chris2: good point about first vs longest... I'll add that
<zenspider> (aside: has anyone played shadowrun returns yet?)
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<imperator> rpg? card game? computer game?
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<zenspider> imperator: computer game based on the old rpg
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<brownies> hello
<brownies> let's talk about doing math in ruby.
<brownies> just how bad of an idea is it?
<imperator> ?
<brownies> if i were to, say, multiply some things and then add some things and then square root it all, about 5000 times, would that do anything crazy like run out of memory?
<imperator> what happened when you tried?
<brownies> in a little loop
<brownies> eh... it's all very suspicious
<imperator> what is?
<brownies> i'm running a Rails migration that adds a column and then sets its value by doing a fancy statistical calculation
<brownies> so i'm looping through about 5000 rows to individually calculate their values and set them
<imperator> ok
<brownies> and the migration gets killed by vagrant after about a thousand
<brownies> so, vagrant issue? ruby issue? stupid bug in my code? i don't even know... i've never seen a ruby process just echo "Killed" and then stop
<imperator> that's a bit vague
<brownies> yeah =/
<brownies> i don't even know where to begin
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<imperator> is there any kind of logging to indicate -why- it failed?
<brownies> well, i'm logging in the migration when it starts working on each row
<imperator> because it sounds like a db/code problem, not a ruby problem
<brownies> i'd agree with you, but it makes it a little further down the rows every time i run the migration... presumably because it doesn't recalculate for rows that already have it set?
<imperator> got a pastie of your migration?
<brownies> so it works through some rows, starts slowing down (which is weird!) and then eventually just the process is killed, somehow
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<brownies> hm... let me see if i can clean it up
<imperator> keep in mind that this isn't a rails channel
<brownies> yeah, i wandered over here because i suspected it was an issue with doing math in Ruby
<imperator> i very much doubt it
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<brownies> cleaned up some code and added a ton of logging and made some speed optimizations... giving it one more try
* brownies headdesk
<brownies> that fixed it
<brownies> i barely know why.
<brownies> i changed all of my #update_attribute calls to be #update_column calls so that callbacks would be skipped... and that did it.
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* brownies still suspects it was some kind of memory issue
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<imperator> if it was, it was a rails issue
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<charliesome> puma, the great threaded ruby web server
<charliesome> 127.127.0.0.1 - - [27/Sep/2013 17:40:36] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 - 1.0016
<charliesome> 0.0.1 - - [27/Sep/2013 17:40:36] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 - 1.0021
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: wat
<charliesome> lol at the logging breaking
<yorickpeterse> haven't experienced that yet with our Puma app
<yorickpeterse> instead it ended up in some reactor crash loop and kept spamming the logs
<yorickpeterse> though that was fixed at some point luckily
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<tbuehlmann> I switched back to thin for development, puma had weird thread issues for me where I needed to restart the server sometimes
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<charliesome> webrick all tha way
<maloik> any of you use puma in production ?
* yorickpeterse raises hand
<yorickpeterse> granted it's a prototype app
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<charliesome> despite my complaining, puma does look pretty nice
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<charliesome> it's about time we had a ruby web server that acknowledged that it's not 2005 anymore and we're not stuck with 1.8's green threads
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<maloik> I've got it on a little vds of my own but I don't even have apps on it yet
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: nah, except we're now stuck with a GIL and somewhat-ok threads (at least in MRI)
<charliesome> the GIL is not /that/ bad
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<charliesome> you need need give or take N workers on a server with N cores
<yorickpeterse> it's fucking dumb, don't lie to yourself
<charliesome> sure
<yorickpeterse> and processes don't scale
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<yorickpeterse> "herp derp memory cheap"
<ljarvis> u dont scale
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: ur mum m8
<charliesome> but in the broad scheme of things, the gil is not really all that bad
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: ill smash ya
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: are you doing crack?
<yorickpeterse> I mean in theory the idea behind a GIL makes sense, but I'd rather have a proper API so you don't need one in the first place
<ljarvis> with yorickpeterse's mother?
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: fuck off
<ljarvis> nou
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: yes it would be really nice to have no GIL in MRI
<yorickpeterse> it would be just, like, jruby/rbx!
* yorickpeterse runs
<charliesome> but I still maintain that it's not that bad, and threads in MRI are still useful today even with a GIL
<yorickpeterse> They are up to a certain level
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<charliesome> anyway brb
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<andrewvos> what are people whining about today?
<yorickpeterse> I think charlie is spending too much time in the MRI codebase
<yorickpeterse> we're losing him!
<andrewvos> too much time? > 0
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<andrewvos> My approach to the MRI codebase is to pretend it doesn't exist.
<ljarvis> the mri codebase still beats a hell of a lot of other languages
<ljarvis> well, some other languages
<yorickpeterse> Python's code didn't look that bad
<ljarvis> ok like a couple
<yorickpeterse> I mean sure, it's better than PHP
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* yorickpeterse is doing some hardcore maths here
<yorickpeterse> calculating the total amount of money we'd have to pay for clearing an SQS queue of size X using spot instances
<yorickpeterse> all based on pretty raw numbers
<yorickpeterse> YAY
<yorickpeterse> it's actually pretty interesting
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, 21 cents to clear around a million items in 3,5 days
<yorickpeterse> that's less than expected
<canton7> quite often I find that larger instances are cheaper than smaller ones on the spot market
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<yorickpeterse> I'm pretty sure this is the exact opposite
<yorickpeterse> errr wait, do you mean larger spot instances?
<yorickpeterse> or larger regular ones vs spot?
<maloik> what is spot? :o
<canton7> all on the spot, larger ones are are sometimes cheaper than smaller ones
<canton7> well, quite often cheaper
<yorickpeterse> Ah
<yorickpeterse> Hm, that's interesting
<canton7> worth keeping an eye open for
<yorickpeterse> maloik: spot instances are instances you basically bid on using a price
<yorickpeterse> you only get them if the price is right (heh)
<canton7> amazon's AWS stuff
<yorickpeterse> ^
<maloik> so... they sell the stuff that would otherwise be left unused ?
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: you at bubble confi?
<ljarvis> -i
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: no
<yorickpeterse> I'm at $WORK
<ljarvis> ow
<yorickpeterse> How so?
<ljarvis> you going to the gh drinkup?
<yorickpeterse> WAIT WAIT
<yorickpeterse> You in Amsterdam?
<yorickpeterse> And there's a drinkup?
<ljarvis> no lol
<ljarvis> yes
<yorickpeterse> hmpf
<ljarvis> you should come to arrrcamp
<maloik> I second that motion
<ljarvis> so we can talk smack about each others mothers
<ljarvis> and other productive stuff
<ljarvis> like drink beer
<yorickpeterse> tbh I don't like 2 track confs
<ljarvis> 2 track confs?
<yorickpeterse> yeah, two talks at the same time
<maloik> yorickpeterse: generally everything is split up between the more technical (often ruby) stuff and the more front-end or inspirational talks
<ljarvis> ah
<yorickpeterse> then again the idea of wearing a pirate hat is tempting
<yorickpeterse> Hm, I have to check how many holidays I have left since 2 weeks later there's also dotRB
<maloik> work won't let you go ? oO
<maloik> I mean fair enough if you don't get to attend ALL THE THINGS, but a couple a year is justified, no ?
<yorickpeterse> Sure they would, but it's a bit easier if I actually have holidays left
<yorickpeterse> otherwise I have to bring my recruiter hat and drag two devs back
<ljarvis> lol
<maloik> yea and then you wouldn't be able to wear a pirate hat :/
<ljarvis> ^
<yorickpeterse> well I could stack them
<yorickpeterse> Then I can go around saying I'm a pirate recruiter
<maloik> pirate recruiter or recruiter pirate ?
<yorickpeterse> both
<maloik> oh.
<yorickpeterse> I mean it would be pretty badass to have an actual pirate write code
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<maloik> my headphones don't fit when I wear my hat :(
<yorickpeterse> get earbuds m7
<yorickpeterse> fuck
<maloik> and the leather doesn't breathe well so it kind of gets disgusting to wear it day in day out
<yorickpeterse> m8
<maloik> earbus? hell no
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<yorickpeterse> 0.000023 cents per message for 7 instances, notbad.jpg
<yorickpeterse> and since it's dollars that basically means it's free
<yorickpeterse> ok now to make some food for 14 co-workers and fail miserably at it, brb
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<bougyman> nice
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<ljarvis> call for a pizza
<ljarvis> easy
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<maloik> calling? that requires speaking to a human being
<maloik> better order online
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<ljarvis> good point
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<maloik> rage,ArgumentError: invalid byte sequence in US-ASCII
<maloik> this error was the reason I reinstalled my mac (was overdue but still)
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<maloik> and now I'm getting it again, wtf
<maloik> colleagues arent
<charliesome> reinstalling os x to fix an encoding issue in ruby seems like swatting a fly with a ballistic missile
<maloik> except the fly survived
<maloik> :(
<maloik> so more like a cockroach
<maloik> but in all seriousness, wtf could be going on? I have both LANG and LC_ALL set to utf8, so does the server and so do my colleagues
<maloik> so what could I be missing ?
<apeiros> charliesome: aimed at another continent, too
<charliesome> maloik: where is the error popping up from?
<maloik> capistrano, in this case when installing haml (doubt that's relevant)
<charliesome> capistrano installing haml?
<maloik> capistrano running bundle
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<maloik> any ideas charliesome ?
<charliesome> no clue
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<gnufied> so, why is capistrano being run locally on osx?
<gnufied> I would check if declared environment variables are indeed picked
<maloik> what do you mean being run locally ?
<gnufied> the error is on server
<maloik> right
<gnufied> it has nothing to do with local osx instal
<gnufied> install*
<maloik> to which my colleagues can in fact deploy
<maloik> and we all connect via ssh to the same user
<gnufied> okay. so can you run random "echo $LANG"
<gnufied> from cap script
<gnufied> and echo $LC_ALL
<gnufied> before it reaches bundle install step
<maloik> lets see
<gnufied> and see, if the value is indeed what you set it to be
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<yorickpeterse> well that worked out miles better than expected
<maloik> lang is utf8, lc all is empty (as it is when I ssh onto the server)... double checking with colleague now
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<maloik> he's got lc_all set as well, which is weird
<maloik> well its weird that mine is empty rather
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<maloik> gnufied: happen to know if they should be set in zshrc or a different file ?
<maloik> I vaguely remember there's a difference in login and user shells or something like that so perhaps I'm doing it in the wrong one and it's not being used in the ssh connection
<gnufied> set them in .bashrc
<gnufied> and .profile
<gnufied> or .bash_profile
<gnufied> unlikely that ssh connection will use zsh shell
<gnufied> unless that user you are connecting as , is configured to use zsh
<maloik> that's what I thought
<maloik> let's see
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<maloik> neither seems to set them correctly, ugh
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<maloik> ugh so now they are all utf8 in my capistrano script and it's still not working
<maloik> what the fuck.
<yorickpeterse> lel Capistrano
<yorickpeterse> also, some distros set LC_* in /etc/locale.conf
<yorickpeterse> http://hastebin.com/qugahoqape.txt dat mix
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<maloik> nope that doesnt seem to be it either
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<gnufied> you will have to hire me for mode debugging that this. :-)
<gnufied> more*
<gnufied> I am sure it is fixable though
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<yorickpeterse> that's what he said
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<yorickpeterse> oh jesus, whoever came up with #try needs to stop coding right now
<yorickpeterse> what is this, fucking PHP?
<yorickpeterse> if/else too mainstream? ugh
<gnufied> :P
<gnufied> so try is supposed to be a maybe monad
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<yorickpeterse> THERE'S NO MAYBE IN COMPUTING
<yorickpeterse> TRUE OR FALSE, NOT "PERHAPS"
<yorickpeterse> I can already see this becoming a pattern: maybe-driven-development
<gnufied> wat?
<yorickpeterse> I guess I'm just not cool enough for it, I prefer an if/else
<gnufied> well tbh, andand is maybe monad. But i find underlying ideas to be similar.
<gnufied> and I like andand as l liked Option[] values in Scala
<gnufied> in scala option values meant, I had to never deal with null pointer exceptions
<yorickpeterse> ok so to clarify:
<gnufied> admiteddly try() is shallower cousin
<yorickpeterse> this is the kinda shit I hate: some_collection.where(:foo => Something.where(...).first.try(:id))
<yorickpeterse> there's no point in building useless objects when something in the very first step already yields nothing
<yorickpeterse> Though I firmly believe it's lazyness that drives this, the idea of "fuck this, less code YAY"
<yorickpeterse> "CODE IS A CODE SMELL" etc
<yorickpeterse> now back to actual coding
<gnufied> that code is too terse for its own good
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<yorickpeterse> totally unrelated, this is pretty good stuff http://youtu.be/WnLs2u0Ht6E
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<maloik> ugh, found a solution at last
<maloik> forced capistrano to use utf8 before each command
<maloik> makes no sense that my colleagues could deploy just fine but whatever
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<tiutalk> hiho :)
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: I'll pass on arrrcamp, forgot that's already next week
<yorickpeterse> and I have a lot of stuff to do next week
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<banisterfiend> anyone understand what this guy is talking about? http://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/1n9jnk/providing_superlike_functionality_to_method_mixins/
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