15:02 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: nice article on hacking BMWs. and look at who wrote it :) http://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2015-5-Sicherheitsluecken-bei-BMWs-ConnectedDrive-2536384.html

15:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL MUUHAAAHHAAAAHAA >>freundlicherweise erwies sich die Combox als sehr kooperativ: Wenn sie eine ansonsten gültige NGTP-SMS erhielt, in der lediglich die VIN falsch war, so antwortete sie mit einer Fehler-SMS, ebenfalls im NGTP-Format. Die enthielt als Absender die korrekte VIN des Fahrzeugs.<<

15:22 <DocScrutinizer05> only question: where from a hacker gets the IMSI/phone-number?

15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> no problem for near field, but hey, we want to rule whole highways, right?

15:23 <wpwrak> hehe :)

15:23 <wpwrak> already like this it's pretty bad

15:24 <DocScrutinizer05> we want to shoot down cars at other end of the country by simply DNS-poisoning a few servers and using the regular internet and phone network

15:27 <wpwrak> i wonder, when he visited bmw, whether they counted the cars they had on site after he left. just to be sure :)

15:36 <DocScrutinizer05> haha

15:36 <DocScrutinizer05> :-P

15:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what else is possible except the rather boring unlocking of doors

15:37 <DocScrutinizer05> "tune" the engine controller? 30° early ignition

15:37 <DocScrutinizer05> breaks? steering?

15:38 <DocScrutinizer05> gear?

15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly ASP is most "funny" - 'please break 100% on both rear wheels only"

15:39 <wpwrak> naw, the left wheels only :)

15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or that

15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> though I guess a car is amazingly stable and steerable as long as one "line" of wheels stil has full contact to road

15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> sure it will tend to the left, but you can compensate easily with steering

15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe not much worse that strong side winds

15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> than*

15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> fullblock of both read wheels though, and then a gentle 5% break on only one of both front wheels

15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> s/read/rear/

15:42 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: "fullblock of both rear wheels though, and then a gentle 5% break on only one of both front wheels"

15:44 <wpwrak> i'd count on the element of surprise to cause most of the damage. "controllable" doesn't mean that a driver will :)

15:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you ever tried full stop on bike with only read wheel?

15:45 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll inevitably see own rear wheel pss you on either left or right side

15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> you also know how ralley drivers driver turns? hand break to block reag wheels

15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> rear*

15:53 <wpwrak> on the other hand, there are plenty of accidents with car and road in perfect condition, nice weather, good sight, no other traffic nearby, yet ... boom

15:53 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHXwlJtNgU watch rear wheels!

15:55 <wpwrak> if you want to explore the full extent of human frailty, i'd recommend avherald. that's all trained professionals, be it pilots, atc, mechanics, etc., subject to strict controls and regulations. yet a good number of incidents / accidents are just "human error"

15:57 <wpwrak> you may want to check the videos before you recommend watching them ;-))

15:59 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVmSAZJdkhQ

16:01 <wpwrak> yeah, i don't like it when my cars do that. you can't complain about the braking efficiency, though :)

16:02 <wpwrak> yeah, 02:00 looks more familiar :)

16:02 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWIB9qZwyUE

16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbrake_turn

16:09 <DocScrutinizer05> the higher the cruising speed the better it works

16:10 <DocScrutinizer05> and when you even could break only one of both front wheels too... simply awesome

16:10 <wpwrak> the the more spectacular the failure when something goes wrong :)

16:11 <wpwrak> you could hack into your ABS ;-)

16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> you can bet on _something_ "going wrong" when you do this via remote control

16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ASP >> ABS

16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maybe control over ASP is not _that_ simple even on BMW

16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know of any data buses those ASP/ABS controlers expose to rest of system

16:13 <DocScrutinizer05> for good reason those are autonomous and sealed

16:13 <DocScrutinizer05> at least they were, a 10 or 20 years ago

16:15 <DocScrutinizer05> nowadays though... who knows. Designers might want to show APS-intercet per wheel in headup display, needs a data bus from ASP controller to somewhere else. That's it then

16:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I rejected ~ 15 job offers in automotive industry during last 8 years

16:18 <wpwrak> nowadays they're probably cloud-based, with monthly subscriptions - BaaS, braking as a service ;-))