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<wpwrak> some people have a peculiar sense of humor: www.screwschina.com (and yes, they make screws and are located in china, but ...)
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<eintopf> wpwrak: but what? You wouldn't use screws from china?
<eintopf> I mean a screw is screw
<eintopf> s/is/is a/
<qi-bot> eintopf meant: "I mean a screw is a screw"
<larsc> just make sure you don't get screwed
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<eintopf> larsc: ah, I think, I understand.
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<wpwrak> eintopf: i was just looking for information on small screws. the sort i'll have to put into anelok to make the case a bit more robust
<wpwrak> lessons learned: you can google all you want for "torx t5 screw" or such, the best you'll find are fiendishly overpriced cell phone replacement screws (something like USD 2 apiece)
<wpwrak> what you really want to look for is called "self-tapping" screws. and of these, it's the "thread-forming" kind (and not "thread-cutting", although some make take the terminology loosely)
<wpwrak> and the size won't be given in the size of the opening (T5 or such) but in the diameter of the thread, i.e., M1, M1.6, and so on.
<wpwrak> the small cell phone type screws still seem elusive - western sites seem to prefer large sizes. M3 and bigger.
<wpwrak> but at least i have been able to gather enough information to know what i'll have to do to make such critters fit. turns out that it's not too bad. i need for M1.6 are few slots in the PCB that are at least 2 mm wide and 2.2 mm deep.
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<eintopf> i know these smartphone screws, I bought some tool set from china
<eintopf> with plastic pieces which looks like a plectrum from guitar
<eintopf> and the small torx scredrivers
<eintopf> s/scredrivers/screwdrivers/
<qi-bot> eintopf meant: "and the small torx screwdrivers"
<eintopf> wpwrak: you should not but some gamebody screws. These screws with some triangle hole. I hate these screws
<eintopf> s/gamebody/gameboy
<qi-bot> eintopf meant: "wpwrak: you should not but some gameboy screws. These screws with some triangle hole. I hate these screws"
<wpwrak> i've heard apple also have some fun ones: a little smaller than T1, so a T1 piece won't fit :)
<eintopf> my brother knows how to deal with such screws, you need a hammer and a four edged screwdriver. Than attach the screwdriver and hammer on it.
<eintopf> but you could also drill it
<eintopf> anyway, I would not do the hammer method on electrical devices
<eintopf> for cars, okay... that might works
<wpwrak> i think i'll not add compatibility with the drill and hammer method to the design specs of anelok :)
<eintopf> simple: use a normal screw without buying the special wpwrak repair tool set
<eintopf> thats what they company try to do with that
<eintopf> s/they company/the companies/
<qi-bot> eintopf meant: "thats what the companies try to do with that"
<wpwrak> naw, torx isn't all that special :)
<wpwrak> small phillips would be an option too, though. torx is better but since the forces in use there are relatively small, phillips should do
<eintopf> and torx is included
<eintopf> wpwrak: but you want a case for anelok? You said for me some time ago, that when you using a case you need to get some certificates
<eintopf> for selling
<wpwrak> (WORKZONE) they you're prepared for whatever the future may bring :)
<wpwrak> cases can complicate things, yes, since they make it less credible that what you're selling is a "kit"
<wpwrak> but there's no much of a choice - you can't sell a bare pcb to end users
<eintopf> (WORKZONE) the cheapest thing 4 ever. It's from ALDI. In austria it's "hofher"
<wpwrak> for the "alpha" units (small quantity, quite kit-like) we're probably fine without certs and such
<wpwrak> (workzone) yeah, and nobody even specifies what's inside it :)
<eintopf> so you selling the kit and the end-user need to build it together?
<eintopf> :S
<eintopf> okay, doesn't matter, were I need to subscribe to get an anelok? I will give you money ;)
<eintopf> okay, let do that next month
<wpwrak> well, that's what i may want to do with the "alpha" units. they'll be intended for developers anyway, not for "normal" users
<wpwrak> i must have described that on the list some time ... checking ...
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<wpwrak> slight changes: making "alpha" units myself probably won't be necessary. also the number of "alpha" units may be a bit larger then than just ten.
<eintopf> ah, ok.
<wpwrak> also, Y-Box almost certainly won't be necessary. so this could be replaced by another anelok. (to act as radio peer)
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<xiangfu> wpwrak: your last code works just fine here.
<wpwrak> kewl. so i need to try harder to break something :)
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<xiangfu> happy chinese new year.
<kyak> xiangfu: and happy long holidays :)
<xiangfu> YEAH.
<larsc> party party party!
<DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: _whitelogger__ isn't registered
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<whitequark> siiiiiigh
<whitequark> hm, actually, I can register _whitelogger now without logger downtime
<whitequark> since it has the __ at the end
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<whitequark> .
<whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: i registered it
<whitequark> are you happy now
<DocScrutinizer05> well, I'd be even more happy when it was in #neo900 too ;-)
<whitequark> it's not in #neo900?
<whitequark> still joining i guess
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry, it is, now
<whitequark> i've fifty channels and freenode throttles me to 1 msg per 0.8s
<whitequark> so join takes a WHILE
<DocScrutinizer05> [2015-02-18 Wed 17:10:43] *** ChanServ gives _whitelogger permission to talk.
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<DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: not ülanning to annoy you, just a hint: often hidemail in nickserv isn't what you want for bots
<DocScrutinizer05> some even add metadata:
<DocScrutinizer05> [2015-02-18 Wed 17:17:42] [Notice] -NickServ- Email : Tim@Rikers.org
<DocScrutinizer05> [2015-02-18 Wed 17:17:42] [Notice] -NickServ- Metadata : url = http://apt.rikers.org/
<whitequark> well /now/ i can't do anything about it
<DocScrutinizer05> :-)
<wpwrak> xiangfu: happy new year ! :)
<whitequark> since i can't impersonate the bot without shutting it down
<DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: that's actually not an obstacle. Just autheticate against bot's account ;-)
<whitequark> won't that kick the bot out?
<DocScrutinizer05> /ns id _whitelogger MyPassWord
<DocScrutinizer05> no
<wpwrak> whitequark: if you stand up, turn to the west, and say three times aloud "NSA, NSA, NSA", maybe they'll help you with the impersonation
<whitequark> .
<whitequark> hm, right, doesnt kick it out
<whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: ok done
<DocScrutinizer05> :-)
<DocScrutinizer05> pleased to help
<DocScrutinizer05> loggers (and generally bots) with proper accountability have way higher acceptance
<DocScrutinizer05> chanops know where to complain when bot ever starts to misbehave
<whitequark> right
<DocScrutinizer05> /ns info _whitelogger now looks great
<DocScrutinizer05> clearly no rogue/spam-bot
<arossdotme> what do you think of external gps antennas?
<arossdotme> arr is it china's newyear...
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<kristianpaul> how so arossdotme ?
<arossdotme> how so?
<arossdotme> gps or china newyear?
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<kristianpaul> gps
<kristianpaul> eveything need wiring and for gps like an extenal antenns is most likelly to gibe you problems
<arossdotme> well i my case shall i get one sold by http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?linux_pda.htm
<arossdotme> would it be helpful for car use?
<arossdotme> it's just the postagge is £10+ so i'd prefer to only make one worder :D
<arossdotme> one order
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<kristianpaul> that link redirects here
<arossdotme> i can't give you the dirct link
<kristianpaul> cars should have built-in antennas, my personal opinion
<kristianpaul> what is your apllication?
<arossdotme> it's in the open moko section
<arossdotme> car nav?
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<arossdotme> bost maybe, if i'm ever one one
<arossdotme> on one
<arossdotme> boat
<kristianpaul> and is your receiver just gps or also glonass? perhaps beidu as well :D ?
<arossdotme> would it make a difference woods when walking?
<arossdotme> it's gta04
<kristianpaul> ahhhhhh
<arossdotme> ;)
<kristianpaul> we shall ask wpwrak or DocScrutinizer05
<arossdotme> oh
<kristianpaul> not sure what gps receiver it uses
<arossdotme> i think no glonass
<arossdotme> hmm
<kristianpaul> for walking you probably need a IMU on board a well i bet
<kristianpaul> you need meter or centimet accuracy?
<kristianpaul> centimeter*
<DocScrutinizer05> the gta04 has no glonass afaik
<arossdotme> left or right accuracy :P
<arossdotme> * do i turn left or right accuracy
<kristianpaul> left or rigght? use a compass ! ;-)
<kristianpaul> a digital ine of course
<arossdotme> he ha
<arossdotme> or a map
<arossdotme> but you get the idea
<arossdotme> or waling in a city
<DocScrutinizer05> gta04 using the gta02 active GPS antenna internally
<arossdotme> walking
<arossdotme> yea
<DocScrutinizer05> which is supposed to work sufficiently fine when no interference from device and no broken cable
<arossdotme> so how much benefit is there from the external one..
<DocScrutinizer05> usually zilch
<arossdotme> ok, i'll save my £10 then
<DocScrutinizer05> external antenna my have higher gain when yiu use a huge one
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<DocScrutinizer05> may*
<arossdotme> what about the one i linked too/
<arossdotme> t?
<arossdotme> in the openmoko section
<kristianpaul> put the gt04 in your gap, thats a better antenna
<arossdotme> so if the gta04 head has 40%~ I';M OK
<arossdotme> opps caps lock
<DocScrutinizer05> you'll need external antenna when the device is in an unfortunate location with no free sight to sky
<arossdotme> 40% sky
<arossdotme> hmm
<kristianpaul> i meant cap sorry
<arossdotme> cap=hat>
<arossdotme> t?
<arossdotme> ?
<kristianpaul> even better
<kristianpaul> yes arossdotme
<arossdotme> ok
<arossdotme> hmm
<arossdotme> i guess these gps antentor cables don't like being moved/bent a lot?
<arossdotme> best fitted and left permanently?
<kristianpaul> bent... hmm
<arossdotme> flexed
<arossdotme> packed up
<arossdotme> into storage bag
<kristianpaul> i have one of those antnna is magnetic attached, so far gold behavior after packing
<kristianpaul> but im carefull
<arossdotme> and even then i was thinking of using my diy lunch box computer for my car computer, so what would be using a usb gps. it's advantage is it has a bigger screen
<arossdotme> what=that
<kristianpaul> oh usb gps need for sure an extension
<arossdotme> yea
<kristianpaul> but works decently with its antenna
<arossdotme> but a gps antentor would be of so much use
<arossdotme> woundn't
<arossdotme> DocScrutinizerthx
<arossdotme> arr hmm what to do
<kristianpaul> buy buy buy (-:{
<arossdotme> :)
<DocScrutinizer05> there's a bazillion of external GPS antennas available in the intarwebs
<DocScrutinizer05> as long as the plug matches, they usually shall "just work"
<DocScrutinizer05> I mean, nasically it's just... an antenna
<DocScrutinizer05> basically*
<DocScrutinizer05> (ok, it has an amp built in, but those are standard pretty much)
<DocScrutinizer05> you'll usually need a adapter
<arossdotme> hmm
<arossdotme> mmh
<DocScrutinizer05> the pulster one comes with right plug it seems, maybe worth the 13 bucks more
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<arossdotme> i guess i might be usefull to have just in case
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