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<kyak>
eintopf: congratulations! you can both automatically tune PID controllers and generate C code (even for 8 bit MCUs). You can even automate conversion of your model to fixed-point arithmetic and generate pure integer code if that matters
<viric>
I've no idea. For quenelplus I clicked the first google link
<pcercuei>
ok, then it's probably true :)
<ysionneau>
but yes quenelplus sounds like a "gorafi" like website
<ysionneau>
(which is all fake articles)
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<viric>
here some media broadcasted about people claiming it's a fake.
<viric>
so, not the press opinion. Just referencing someone else :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
why would somebody involved with a conspiracy commit suicide without at least publishing their reason to do so?
<viric>
well, these days I read a bit how Inquisition worked
<viric>
and threats always involved people around the target
<viric>
full families
<viric>
I don't know if it can be applied here.
<DocScrutinizer05>
and nevertheless even Galileo mumbles "and though it moves"
<viric>
That's also theater.
<viric>
:)
<viric>
After Galileo come 300 years of Inquisition to write the fiction about Galileo and the Inquisition
<viric>
but you can make as if Inquisition wasn't that bad.
<wpwrak>
yeah, the inquisition is a good example to follow. after all, it worked pretty well.
<DocScrutinizer05>
when that policeman would have published "they threatened my family" and then commits suicide, guess about the motivation of $whomever to actually provide prove of such claim by actually hurting any of the allegedly endangered persons
<viric>
if it worked during centuries, it means it worked well
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/prove/proof/
<qi-bot>
DocScrutinizer05 meant: "when that policeman would have published "they threatened my family" and then commits suicide, guess about the motivation of $whomever to actually provide proof of such claim by actually hurting any of the allegedly endangered persons"
<viric>
maybe next suiciders should contact you, how to do it well
<wpwrak>
no, look at the results. how many women lie with the devil these days ? i think rosemary was the last documented example. how many wizards and witches are in your town ? see ? :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
it maybe worked in pre-information age
<viric>
in all ages most people think they have enough information
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm a fan of Occam's razor here
<viric>
the occam's razor of "I don't need more information"
<viric>
You already took judgement before knowing anything
<viric>
that has been clear along all the conversation :)
<viric>
and defending that you already know enough.
<viric>
and then you come to the "current proverbial knowledge" of occam's razor :)
<viric>
next you are going to tell me that you are using "scientifical method" :)
<wpwrak>
i see that somebody has been honing his discussion techniques ;-)
<viric>
haha
<DocScrutinizer05>
viric: you're astarting your usual idiotic trolling like "you took judgement" and "you refuse to read info" etc
<viric>
I'll rest with the doubt, be happy with the certain.
<viric>
by now I have no need to decide one side or the other.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I will not accept advice/instruction from you what to think. Since YOU have no knowledge about what I think, it's YOU who takes justice about _my_ mind without _any_ proper info
<viric>
I only meant to help you know what picture I was building of you :)
<ysionneau>
please, kiss each other :(
<DocScrutinizer05>
aka Trolling
<viric>
I'd trust you more if you weren't so sure :)
<viric>
but that's only my view. don't worry.
<DocScrutinizer05>
when somebody doesn't applaud to viric's conspiracy theories, viric starts bashing them by claiming they wwere idiots
<wpwrak>
corollary, since we cannot know the structure of other people's minds, we cannot be sure about the frame of reference their thoughts and expressions of them are based upon. ergo, communication is impossible and futile :)
<wpwrak>
dead figments of my imagination, i think i'll stick with solipsism for a while ;)
<wpwrak>
deaR even
<viric>
hehe
<ysionneau>
well, at least writen communication indeed is very difficult and often leads to misunderstanding
<kyak>
viric: what are your usual news sources (web sites)? preferrably those you have in offrss, in english (or russian)
<viric>
kyak: hm it'd take time to list
<kyak>
viric: do you have them in offrss?
<viric>
but I like when people throw doubts, and others are forced to counterback the doubts
<viric>
kyak: not anymore, because they are very few sites that provide a useful RSS that is not a "click here to read"
<viric>
there are
<kyak>
viric: basically i'm asking because i'm failing to find an "other side" in foreign media
<viric>
here Willy Toledo, an actor, came up saying that some filmations are fake
<kyak>
there is one opinion, and only one
<whitequark>
viric: try reading conservative US sources
<DocScrutinizer05>
viric, the guy who badmouthes Aristotelian Logic a "scientific tool"
<kyak>
ok, foxnews would be the "other side" to cnn or, say, bbc?
<DocScrutinizer05>
as if science was something rogue
<viric>
eh?
<whitequark>
kyak: to nytimes or gawker, say
<DocScrutinizer05>
ysionneau: here the right wing assholes already asked for re-establishing communication data mass storage
<DocScrutinizer05>
ysionneau: and I heard LePen already suggested death penalty
<ysionneau>
yes
<ysionneau>
death penalty ... 2 days ago
<DocScrutinizer05>
no doubt we will see a lot of shit coming from this mess
<ysionneau>
and what's "fun" is that our mainstream media all said they were concerned about possible attacks against muslims (which happened) and with LePen rise in popularity (which is a right concern)
<ysionneau>
BUT, I saw no concerns about "new anti freemdom laws" ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep, exactly
<ysionneau>
even though, this is very clearly a threat, like LePen rise
<ysionneau>
but no one (mainstream) is talking about it ...
<wpwrak>
does any country in northern africa or the middle east need "liberating" ? i'm sure suitable connections will be found before too long
<wpwrak>
heck, maybe it was the north koreans again
<ysionneau>
yeah let's throw some democracy somewhere
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-/
<DocScrutinizer05>
so right
<kyak>
wpwrak: it's funny, but some ukraine media already blaimed Putin :)
* DocScrutinizer05
feels depressed
<ysionneau>
:/
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<ysionneau>
one of the few having the "guts" to say that they don't fully backup what Charlie Hebdo did
<ysionneau>
and to say that the participated in the etablishment of a shitty climate around islam
<ysionneau>
even though, of course, no one say that killing anyone is the correct response
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<ysionneau>
they contributed to islamophobia
<DocScrutinizer05>
quite possible
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'd outlaw *all* religion. Period
<ysionneau>
ahah
<DocScrutinizer05>
alas can't be done ;-)
<ysionneau>
I'm not sure I would do that :p
<ysionneau>
but I'm not a fan of those stuff either
<ysionneau>
but that we like it or not, it's now part of our culture :/
<ysionneau>
we need to deal with it
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah
<arossdotme>
DocScrutinizer05, remmber that link myinovationspace.com ? the writings on there talked about social groups (i think they do, i forgot precisely as i'm going by my chats with the guy who wrote them and not what i remmber reading in the books but anyway)
<DocScrutinizer05>
but actually religion is not the cause of all that mess, not at all. The religious mind just provides a convenient easily manipulated audience for some fascistoid asshats, labeling their crude ideas with islam, Christianity, marxism, whatsoever
<arossdotme>
well....
<viric>
DocScrutinizer05: in any case, I shouldn't have make any fun of the discussion. I only meant that I wasn't convinced by your analysis. Nothing more.
<arossdotme>
looks like you beaten me too it
<arossdotme>
I was going to say $religion is just branding, a theme for a social group
<DocScrutinizer05>
pretty identical :-)
<viric>
ysionneau: Valls, the catalan minister... for what I remember, his sister in Barcelona was quite ashamed of him
<viric>
ysionneau: and I remember when Ràdio Arrels interviewed him in Catalan, he refused to use Catalan, and spoke always in French. Once asked, he said that he couldn't speak anything but French in France, for respect to the citizens
<arossdotme>
but diff $relogion
<ysionneau>
good, he indeed is quite a shame for a left wing political man
<ysionneau>
he's not left wing at all...
<viric>
ysionneau: the interview went on with catalan questions and his french answers
<ysionneau>
well, for this I have no opinion
<viric>
ysionneau: he used catalan, but only in Catalonia, outside France.
<ysionneau>
it sounds .. weird to react like that
<ysionneau>
if I know how to speak English and I have an English speaking person in front of me, I think I will speak English...
<ysionneau>
not to exclude the english speaking person :o
<viric>
It was a Catalan radio, with all public and people in the radio always speaking catalan
<viric>
yet in France.
<viric>
good that the radio is not banned at least. But they allowed it only after "la vergonha"
<arossdotme>
*and english speaking person mentally acknowledges that he only speaks one language while the other person speaks more than one.... :)
<arossdotme>
;)
<arossdotme>
and feels kind-a guilty
<ysionneau>
yeah, I should have chosen another example
<ysionneau>
this one is special
<ysionneau>
I don't speak Catalan :p
<arossdotme>
no it was a ok example
<arossdotme>
I was just acknowledgeing my err appreation for those that speak eng as well as $native-lang
<arossdotme>
appreciation
<ysionneau>
well english is usually a must-have, nowadays
<arossdotme>
so why was he doing this
<arossdotme>
?
<ysionneau>
Valls? Dunno, he's just ... ok let's stay polite.
<arossdotme>
polite?
<arossdotme>
i thought you just said...
<viric>
France had a very strong politics against non-French
<viric>
by always showing the non-French as unpatriotical, unpolite, ...
<viric>
it started with the fight against nazis
<viric>
If you weren't ultra-french, you were shown as enemy of the country.
<arossdotme>
hmm, need to look up catalan it seams... guilty
<DocScrutinizer05>
without laws ruling it, radio stations tend to play the songs their audience wants to hear. Forcing them to play songs they wouldn't play otherwise is basically manipulation / patronizing of their audience, the French people
<viric>
DocScrutinizer05: they play the songs they are payed to play
<ysionneau>
it's hard to really know what people want to hear
<ysionneau>
that's very manipulated
<ysionneau>
people want what they are said to want
<DocScrutinizer05>
viric: at least here in Germany radio stations *pay* for each song they play
<viric>
There comes Sony Inc., and pays a lot to French radios to spread their things
<DocScrutinizer05>
google GEMA
<viric>
many bands are commercial products
<ysionneau>
if you show a chart with top10 songs to people, that you totally made up, then this top10 chart will quickly become the truth
<ysionneau>
people will start wanting those songs
<pcercuei>
DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I run into it a lot on youtube
<pcercuei>
that's so annoying
<viric>
DocScrutinizer05: why you think there is a 50% rule?
<viric>
French music is shitty compared to USA music?
<viric>
and the law goes against good taste?
<viric>
or USA music is also shitty, and French would prefer music in many tongues?
<viric>
Or maybe they would enjoy mainly Czech music.
<viric>
I agree more with ysionneau view
<arossdotme>
i find a lot of music i like on jamendo.com is by french artists
<arossdotme>
a lot or a good portion of the music i like....
<viric>
arossdotme: are them on the radio stations?
<arossdotme>
err no
<arossdotme>
i don't bother with radio
<arossdotme>
internet radio, maybe
<arossdotme>
libre.fm if that counts
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<DocScrutinizer05>
viric: I think there's such 50%(?) rule because a 10 dozen news reported about it, several years or even decades ago. For the rest of your weird speculations, please check your own communication methods and statements instead of bashing others for allegedly "taking judgement"
<DocScrutinizer05>
and this reference to 50% rule is not a "view", just for a sidenote
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's jsut that: a reference to a well known proven fact, though maybe obsolete
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<viric>
DocScrutinizer05: Sorry, I meant why you think that the government set such a rule
<DocScrutinizer05>
I don't know
<DocScrutinizer05>
but i'm quite sure I despise it
<DocScrutinizer05>
I can't think of a reason that would justify such rule. IOW no matter what's the problem, there's for sure a better solution than such rule
<DocScrutinizer05>
a suggestion for wording: "what do you think why government set such rule?"
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<viric>
hm may be. I'm not very good at English :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
oooh figure the confusion and thus risk those individuals introduce to traffic ;-)
<ysionneau>
I checked and indeed WHO is putting transsexual and travesti as behavioural disorder
<wpwrak>
that's what mindless rule-centric bureaucracy does for you :) that could so happen in .de as well ;-)
<wpwrak>
and i wonder if it's an outright "ban" or just additional requirements. e.g., a doctor's certificate or such.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: indeed, exactly
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<DocScrutinizer05>
you can even spend a 8 years in psychiatry here, when you say your bank does illegal stuff and the bank says "No, this guy must be paranoid". Even when the bank later on says "duh, there actually happened illegal stuff" you stay in psychiatry
<DocScrutinizer05>
just because you're already there, a Doctor can't fal when diagnosing mental disorder ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
fail*
<wpwrak>
catch 22 :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
nah, catch 22 was exactly the opposite, no?