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<nicksydney> A Guy In China Built A Remarkably Accurate Copy Of The Batmobile [PHOTOS] http://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-batmobile-replica-2014-6
<nicksydney> only in China :)
<wpwrak> hmm, he should have used matte paint. too many highlights
<nicksydney> now it's a matter of time before this will appear on eBay with FREE shipping :)
<wpwrak> FOB somewhere in the hinterlands of china
<nicksydney> tax free :)
<nicksydney> once i have my own place :)
<wpwrak> you mean after kicking out wife and kids ? :)
<nicksydney> wpwrak: hahahaaa.....before i do that they will kick me out :)
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<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: btw, here are the schematics: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/anelok-20140601.pdf
<DocScrutinizer05> thanks
<DocScrutinizer05> uh, NC
<DocScrutinizer05> 100uF, what you're using?
<wpwrak> flat ones :)
<wpwrak> i only have 1 mm
<wpwrak> well, a bit of wiggle room. but not a lot.
<DocScrutinizer05> you're puzzling me, U3 table on page 2, but no U3
<wpwrak> actually ... i should move them a bit since they're too tall. better than the huge 220 uF i had first, but 1.8 mm is still too much. it's these: www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=399-5620-1-ND
<wpwrak> ah yes, s/U3/U2/ :)
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<DocScrutinizer05> C13 is either 4u7 or 10u on table, but 1u on page3. And I doubt you'll change that one accordng to some U3
<wpwrak> or no, i don't have to move 'em. they're already at a safe spot.
<wpwrak> ah, i see what happened. i renumbered but forgot to update the table :(
<DocScrutinizer05> C9, C18, C27. fun!
* DocScrutinizer05 waits for C36
<wpwrak> didn't want to renumber AGAIN ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> suggestion: number all components on sheet 1 like 100, 101 etc, generally 100+N. On page 2 200+N and so on
<wpwrak> i tried that but didn't like the enormous numbers
<DocScrutinizer05> aaaw
<DocScrutinizer05> it#s awesome, no searching, no renumbering
<wpwrak> maybe in a future version, when i add a dozen more components or so :)
<DocScrutinizer05> goes a looong way to make stuff easier and clear to see
<DocScrutinizer05> you can even tell from BOM which components belong together
<DocScrutinizer05> I guess you never coded BASIC with a silly interpreter that needed line numbers, eh? ;-)
<wpwrak> oh, i did. and RENUM wasn't the most reliable command ...
<DocScrutinizer05> the better ones of those critters came with a renumber(range, new-start-number, increment) command
<wpwrak> there's no language too basic to not get referential integrity wrong ...
<DocScrutinizer05> hehe
<wpwrak> yes. and sometimes it was subtly broken :)
<DocScrutinizer05> oh dear, those were the times...
<wpwrak> i still fondly remember the 3-pass pascal compiler. pascal/z i think. you learned the true meaning of patience in those days ...
<DocScrutinizer05> "WUT? Too slow? you b***ard! Here take those hex codes instead of your crappy basic!"
<DocScrutinizer05> I knew complete Z80 opcodes by heart back when
<wpwrak> i don't think i reached the terminal stage of that
<DocScrutinizer05> 0xC3 must be a jump, 0xCD a subroutine call, and 0xC9 a return
<DocScrutinizer05> DJNZ, awesome
<DocScrutinizer05> felt lke 3rd generation ;-P
<wpwrak> but wasn't NOP 0x90 .. ah no, that's already x86
<wpwrak> indeed. very cisc :)
<DocScrutinizer05> we all frowned at 8088 back when. It been generally attributed as being braindead
<DocScrutinizer05> segment register dressing, OMG!
<DocScrutinizer05> adressing*
<DocScrutinizer05> meh
<wpwrak> it's funny to find the 8088 mentioned in an 8080 manual :)
<DocScrutinizer05> 8086, 8088, I can't even recall what's been the diff
<DocScrutinizer05> the 8086 been 16bit or sth?
<DocScrutinizer05> even maybe 24bit addr bus?
<DocScrutinizer05> 20?
<wpwrak> 8088 and 8086 are the same except for the bus width. 16 bit, both. 8088 had an 8 bit data bus.
<DocScrutinizer05> aaah yes
<DocScrutinizer05> right, the double fetches
<DocScrutinizer05> Zilog also built a successor of Z80, can't recall the name. Maybe Z800 or Z8000
<wpwrak> Z8000
<DocScrutinizer05> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/8088#Verwendung has it to the point
<wpwrak> ;-))
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<nicksydney> reading DocScrutinizer05 and wpwrak feels like 2 old mates who were separated apart during World War 2 :)
<DocScrutinizer05> well, it was OM-war 1
<nicksydney> sounds pre-historic :)
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<nicksydney> wpwrak: have you ever used busybox ?
<nicksydney> trying to make sense the syslogd inside busybox
<kyak> what's with syslogd?
<nicksydney> kyak: tried configuring it to read kernel logs but can't seem to work .. is it possible to use it to read kernel logs ? like how dmesg is doing ? planning to use syslogd to do log rotation for the kernel logs (busybox syslogd)
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<kyak> nicksydney: i'm not sure.. in openwrt, syslogd handles messages from system (which you can read with logread). Kernel logs are left for dmesg
<DocScrutinizer05> ksyslogd
<nicksydney> kyak: hmmmm.....maybe syslogd in busybox is different than the standard Linux syslogd i presume
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: in busybox it's called syslogd .. no ksyslogd
<kyak> nicksydney: it sure is.. syslogd is just a part of busybox binary
<DocScrutinizer05> I for the life of mine couldn't figure how busybox provides syslogd
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: from the code i read it open an xsocket to /dev/syslog and wait for some incoming...but when tried to use echo or cat'ing to it ..doesn't work..throws an error
<kyak> it seems that klogd may help
<DocScrutinizer05> I'd for sure rather use proper syslog-ng instead of that messybox crap
<nicksydney> kyak: klogd doesn't do file rotating
<kyak> on small capability devices you often can't use "proper"
<DocScrutinizer05> neither does syslogd
<DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ll `which syslogd`
<DocScrutinizer05> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27360 2009-08-17 12:02 /sbin/syslogd
<DocScrutinizer05> _not_ integrated into busybox, despite it's a 100% busybox based system
<DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ll `which busybox`
<DocScrutinizer05> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 355592 2012-08-24 19:20 /bin/busybox
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: so it's ARM compiled ? using glibc ?
<DocScrutinizer05> 27k for the real thing vs 355k for messybox. Sure it's not directly comparable to memory footprint and resource demand
<kyak> DocScrutinizer05: and now ls -la /sbin/syslogd
<kyak> /sbin/syslogd -> ../bin/busybox
<DocScrutinizer05> I'm not a fool
<DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ls -la /sbin/syslogd
<DocScrutinizer05> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27360 2009-08-17 12:02 /sbin/syslogd
<kyak> you surely are not :)
<DocScrutinizer05> btw you should see from missing "l" and "-" instead
<DocScrutinizer05> resp -rwxr-xr-x
<DocScrutinizer05> michael_lee: sure
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry
<DocScrutinizer05> nicksydney: sure
<nicksydney> i need to use busybox because it's part of Android so need to use something that can be compiled with bionic
<DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# file /sbin/syslogd
<DocScrutinizer05> /sbin/syslogd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
<michael_lee> welcome
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry, when i hear "android" I skip to anothr channel
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: haahha....i figure as much :)
<nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: can't help it ..it keeps life chugging along :)
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<kyak> let's see how long is the effect of word "android" on DocScrutinizer05 …
<kyak> oh no, i just reset the timer :)
<nicksydney> hahah
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<nicksydney> AllWinner A33 Quad Core SoC is Pin-to-Pin Compatible with AllWinner A23 - http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/06/03/allwinner-a33-quad-core-soc-is-pin-to-pin-compatible-with-allwinner-a23/
<nicksydney> it's cool that ARM SoC from China always comes out with pin-to-pin compatible
<nicksydney> US / Europe SoC player must learn and apply to their product make it easier for OEM :)
<wpwrak> (busybox) who hasn't ? :)
<wpwrak> newsflasgh: Allwinner releases new A11, pin-to-pin compatible to PDP-11 :)
<nicksydney> wpwrak: (PDP-11) they skip that generation :0
<nicksydney> there are the new millenia
<nicksydney> 9 Year Old Girl Lands 540! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD_yjW64buU ... let's see who can beat her :)
<nicksydney> Cavium Thunder X ups the ARM core count to 48 on a single chip -- http://semiaccurate.com/2014/06/03/cavium-thunder-x-ups-arm-core-count-48-single-chip/ ... WHAT !???
<wpwrak> sigh, is it coremania time again ?
<wpwrak> first the GHz race, now coremania ...
<nicksydney> wpwrak: seems like it...too many cores and not enough Linux :)
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<wpwrak> then you have one core run "flunky hen" while the rest are busy executing sophisticated ultra deep sleep-power-down code ...
<nicksydney> wpwrak: this is how i feel when i did my first PCB etching https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CLPG15HXkv8 :)
<wpwrak> let's make that "fluffy beak"
<larsc> that's probably a server chip
<nicksydney> wpwrak: oh c'mon....can't be that bad...perhaps few cores running Android :)
<nicksydney> hahaah
* nicksydney counting timer to see if DocScrutinizer05 going to run or chime in :)
<wpwrak> that look at 00:01:38 ;-)
<nicksydney> damn didn't know there is such thing as colourful snake...just blow me away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPSFYGdoQyc
<nicksydney> California Red-Sided Garter Snake
<nicksydney> How much do Y Combinator founders earn? http://80000hours.org/blog/341-how-much-do-y-combinator-founders-earn ... i guess i'm worth only $1000...how much you are worth ? :)
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<larsc> if you have healthy kindeys and stuff I think we can find a better offer for you
<nicksydney> I don't understand iOS people think that "Terrific to see the Extensions API so that apps can finally talk to each other." is such a great thing.....perhaps they have not heard about Linux :)
<ysionneau> Android has that since the beginning, that's crazy
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<nicksydney> ysionneau: true !
<ysionneau> (intent system)
<nicksydney> ysionneau: oh well iOS people are spoilt brat anyway they won't listen or compromise !
<wpwrak> damn. standard package 1 unit ? no reels ?
<ysionneau> I wonder what's so special with this fpga
<ysionneau> number of RAM or CLB are not so high
<ysionneau> is it the IO number?
<ysionneau> 1200 balls seems high number
<nicksydney> interesting to see how many layers PCB is needed to completely route all the pins...my guess is 8 or 12 layers :)
<sb0> ysionneau, it's basically for people who have a lot of money. US military, NSA & telcos.
<sb0> ysionneau, the cost per CLB ratio in virtex/spartan is much higher than the virtex/spartan performance ratio (in other words: virtex is still slow). they are just targeted at different markets...
<ysionneau> so Virtex is not that much better
<ysionneau> but it's really crazily more expensive
<nicksydney> http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2014/06/02/intel-president-integrated-smart-connected-devices-fuel-next-era-of-computing - 130 new Intel-based Android and Windows tablets are debuting in the market from global OEMs and ODMs this year, and more than a dozen are launching during the Computex timeframe.
<nicksydney> don't know should be happy, excited, sad or cry ?
<sb0> it's like first class seats on planes. costs 3x-20x the price of an economy ticket, but the flight is still slow and to a few exceptions (like beds) not that much more comfortable
<sb0> (and yes, flights are slow. the concorde went in the right direction, but unfortunately was stopped)
<sb0> airlines puts the costs of flying the plane into a few customers, xilinx pretty much does the same with the virtex series
<sb0> *most of the cost
<ysionneau> :/
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<wpwrak> btw, if anyone (nicksydney ? :) want to review the latest anelok schematics, they're here: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/anelok-20140603.pdf
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<kristian1aul> where os the diff??!! ;)
<kristian1aul> s/os/is
<qi-bot> kristian1aul meant: "where is the diff??!! ;)"
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<wpwrak> kristianpaul: yeah, sorry. since nobody is maintaining the command-line options anymore, we lost schematics differences :-(
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<larsc> get rich quick, now is your chance
<whitequark> sb0: I thought airlines got most of their cash from cargo
<larsc> on passenger flights?
<whitequark> in general
<larsc> I think what sb0 was trying to say that if everybody flew econemy they'd loose money on those flights
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<DocScrutinizer05> lol, time to go kickstarter with pink Neo900
<dos1> "Kickstarter Just Opened the Floodgates to Even More Frauds and Scams" -> "time to go kickstarter with pink Neo900"
<dos1> sounds worrying :P
<wpwrak> i think we should mention the levitation sensor that detects the presence of antigravity fields
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