<DocScrutinizer>
vbus=3.3V --- see definition of OTG session. >>small world and it smells funny, I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money"
<DocScrutinizer>
A small world and it smells bad, I'd buy another if I had --- Vision Thing
<wpwrak>
(otg) ah, tell me ? does 3.3 V do something "magical" >
<wpwrak>
s/>/?/
<DocScrutinizer>
nah, I think ~4V do sth magical
<DocScrutinizer>
then also 0.8V and some dunno Volt do something
<wpwrak>
nice. the goal is then to have one codepoint every 100 mV ? :-)
<DocScrutinizer>
there are like 3 thresholds for VBUS voltage, 3V3 is clearly outa range
<wpwrak>
yeah, i was thinking more of the non-standard but common case that you just LDO those 5 V down to 3.3 V. your logic probably works at 3.3 V anyway
<DocScrutinizer>
The ISP1704A minimum threshold for the VBUS valid comparator is 4.4 V. Any voltage on VBUS below this threshold is considered invalid.
<wpwrak>
wow. fancy signaling indeed.
<DocScrutinizer>
The session valid threshold of the ISP1704A is between 0.8 V to 2.0 V.
<DocScrutinizer>
The session end comparator determines when VBUS is below the B-device session end threshold of 0.2 V to 0.8 V. The B-device uses this threshold to determine when a session has ended.
<wpwrak>
so a "B-device" has its own power ? or can it sensibly buffer power received from the other device ?
<DocScrutinizer>
B has no own power
<DocScrutinizer>
that's the def of B afaik
<wpwrak>
then it has to buffer .. or run on a very very low voltage :)
<DocScrutinizer>
(unless it's OTG and wants to initiate HNP)
<DocScrutinizer>
(we exploited HNP for hostmode on N900 before we got our shit sorted)
<DocScrutinizer>
>>I've seen the best of man go past; I don't wanna be the last<<
<grvrulz>
hello everyone! I'm pl'anning to buy a nanonote. I was wondering if one can change the keymap to dvorak, coz i'm used to it and cant use qwerty efficiently.
<DoctorJeep>
it's linux
<wolfspraul>
grvrulz: hi welcome!
<grvrulz>
wolfspraul: hi :)
<wpwrak>
grvrulz: the physical layout, not really. (that is, you can cut the existing one into pieces and glue them together in a different way, but that's messy at best)
<DoctorJeep>
o/ wolfspraul
<wolfspraul>
changing the software should be easy, and if you need help we surely will do it together, and feed it back into our images
<wolfspraul>
yeah, changing the hardware (physical keys) - I'd say 'no'
<wpwrak>
grvrulz: and wolfgang already answered the logical layout ;-)
<grvrulz>
wpwrak: I cud use stickers
<wolfspraul>
they will come off
<wpwrak>
ah, maybe that works
<wolfspraul>
my very first business as a 15-year old was to sell stickers to change keyboard layouts from German into Russian :-)
<wolfspraul>
I had a nice cutting tool made, but the problem was the glue
<DoctorJeep>
glue improved a lot since
<wolfspraul>
oh don't let me stop you
<grvrulz>
does it follow the debian pattern of settings? I mean i should find the keymap setting in some rc file?
<wolfspraul>
unfortunately I don't know exactly where they are, and xiangfu who might know is offline over the Chinese holidays
<wolfspraul>
but some googling may help, as we had this discussion several times
<wolfspraul>
lemme see :-)
<wolfspraul>
ok if you google for 'nanonote change keymap' you find a number of sites talking about it
<grvrulz>
wolfspraul: i found some.. I'll go buy it n start hackin then
<grvrulz>
wolfspraul: DocAvalanche wpwrak : thank you for the help :)
<wolfspraul>
oh he left so quick
<wolfspraul>
and now even xiangfu is there :-)
<wolfspraul>
xiangfu: happy holidays!
<DocScrutinizer>
isn't it fun? Nokia rolls out a N9 with an OS that'S actually good ol' maemo but hey think they need to call it meego. Then 1 day later intel announces meego is dead ;-P
<wolfspraul>
did you read about Tizian yet?
<DocScrutinizer>
sure I did
<wolfspraul>
and the latest twist, metemi or something?
<DocScrutinizer>
tizen
<wolfspraul>
ah
<DocScrutinizer>
melt-me err meltemi - a meamo-lite
<DocScrutinizer>
or QtMoko
<wpwrak>
i actually have a good feeling about all this
<DocScrutinizer>
hahahahahahaha
<DocScrutinizer>
rotfl
<wolfspraul>
free software is setup to benefit from chaos
<wpwrak>
it shows us just how visionary we were at openmoko ! radical gui u-turns every ~6 months. see, now also the big guys are doing it. we were pioneers !!
<DocScrutinizer>
well chaos there's plenty
<wolfspraul>
if the chaos is driven by clueless management with still too much money, please please, by all means: SPEND IT! :-)
<DocScrutinizer>
wipes away a tear from laughing
<DocScrutinizer>
wolfspraul: I actually think you're the first one to have a good feeling abut all that madness - it's quite exhilarating
<wpwrak>
let's see ... how many GUI iterations did we have ? first, there was ... om2007 (?) with the big round black button with an orange wheel that wasn't a scroll wheel. with all the textures and fancy rendering one could possibly imagine. nimble as a beached whale.
<wpwrak>
that one was hard to kill. eventually, o-hand did it. and they made something very lean (good) and not comprehensive for mere homo sapiens. alas, our user base wasn't given the time to evolve into this one ...
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, seems GUI is big problem in all Linux base system. :)
<wpwrak>
next up was Qtopia, closely followed by an external parallel Android port
<DocScrutinizer>
andridiot \o/
<DocScrutinizer>
but back when it was actually cool to see it running on OM hw
<wpwrak>
and then, finally raster's e*. i actually don't remember why qtopia was binned. maybe lack of control.
<wolfspraul>
never ask why
<DocScrutinizer>
aka OM2008 ?
<wolfspraul>
(I also don't know, but too clear memories about the reasoning (or lack thereof) behind decisions makes my mind refuse to go there :-))
<wolfspraul>
right DocScrutinizer ?
<DocScrutinizer>
I think it must still ripe on some 5 ..7 devices here
<wolfspraul>
the only man to stand up in a room of 30+ people and declare something along the lines of "for this nonsense you don't need me"
<wpwrak>
raster's stuff may have been great ... if he had been given a bit more artistic freedom. he may have his set of crazy ideas, but he also sees pretty clearly what works and what doesn't. alas, his task was to implement what clearly doesn't work ...
<wpwrak>
wow ;-)
<DocScrutinizer>
wolfspraul: (nonsense) seems I was right, no?
<wolfspraul>
oh yes, totally
<wolfspraul>
not only factually (engineering-wise), but also on the impossibility of finding any remedy, i.e. leaving was indeed the best remaining option
<wolfspraul>
hardware development and manufacturing is indeed a tricky beast
<wpwrak>
ah, sweet memories :) well, i have to hit the sack. got a major barbecue today, with something like 17 people.
<DocScrutinizer>
I'm afraid I'll need my sunglasses if I stay any longer
<Artyom>
kristianpaul look at the http://gnss-sensor.com/ Very interesting idea. They implement acquisition and tracking inside hardware (FPGA for example) without external cpu. The same approach as I've already pointed you on http://code.google.com/p/cu-hw-gps/
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: (labsw) thanks ! where is the strangeness ? at a fist glance, it looks quite reasonmable
<wolfspraul>
hmm
<wolfspraul>
maybe the strangeness is in my iceweasel
<wolfspraul>
lemme try chromium
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: looks the same. maybe this is on purpose now?
<wolfspraul>
the columns seem mixed up
<wpwrak>
looks good in konqueror .. let's see with firefox ...
<wpwrak>
looks good there, too
<wpwrak>
or do you mean the order of he columns ? (i.e., you'd expect "labsw" to come before the others, or such)
<wolfspraul>
zoomed out but you see all sheets and get the idea
<wolfspraul>
is that how it's supposed to be?
<wpwrak>
oh, that looks wrong indeed
<wpwrak>
seems that these browsers suppress columns with just the vertical bar inside
<wpwrak>
do they get any of the other schhists right, atusb for example ?
<wpwrak>
ah, found it ;-)
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: schhist/schhist2web: > was missing in IMG tag for unchanged.png (vertical bar) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/41a65ca
<wpwrak>
please update :) konq and firefox are just a little too good at fixing HTML bugs :)
<wolfspraul>
k will try, great!
<kristianpaul>
click
<kristianpaul>
32 channels, wow
<kristianpaul>
64 bits specialized procesor :)
<kristianpaul>
Artyom, is this place where you work? ;)
<qwebirc68379>
hi I would connect nannote openwrt to my ubuntu laptop
<qwebirc68379>
I am using swat
<kristianpaul>
but i agree, implement acquisition and tracking as hardware/firmware is a way to go
<qwebirc68379>
ping is fine
<kristianpaul>
hello qwebirc68379
<qwebirc68379>
using squid proxy
<qwebirc68379>
hello to all
<qwebirc68379>
the squid.conf has been modified
<qwebirc68379>
as indicate con qi-hardware wiki
<qwebirc68379>
indicATED
<qwebirc68379>
On nn
<kristianpaul>
where is indicated?
<qwebirc68379>
I set up export http_proxy
<kristianpaul>
are you installing debian on the nn?
<kristianpaul>
yes, export should work
<qwebirc68379>
no
<qwebirc68379>
but I am using the same gearings for openwrt
<qwebirc68379>
The Debian installer loads all installation data over the internet. Configure your Desktop PC to allow the Nanonote's Ethernet-over-USB interface access to the internet. A simple way to do that via NAT-forwarding is described here. As an alternative to NAT, you could install the squid proxy on your Deskotp (which is somewhat safer security-wise). On the Desktop, type:  sudo apt-get install squid  Then uncomment the follow
<kristianpaul>
what are you looking exactly? configure a http proxy in you nanonote so opkg could work?
<kristianpaul>
opkg and others programs of course
<qwebirc68379>
I did it
<qwebirc68379>
here you are the output
<qwebirc68379>
just wait for a while
<kristianpaul>
output of?
<kristianpaul>
Sorry, i'm lost, what are you trying to do?
<qwebirc68379>
ssh on nn
<qwebirc68379>
the set up http_proxy on nn
<kristianpaul>
ok, what about telnet first?
<qwebirc68379>
no I did not
<kristianpaul>
ok
<qwebirc68379>
I did it a just a ping
<kristianpaul>
ping from ... to .. ?
<qwebirc68379>
from both sides
<qwebirc68379>
from unbuntu to nn
<qwebirc68379>
from nn to ubuntu
<qwebirc68379>
and it works fine
<kristianpaul>
and it works OK ?
<kristianpaul>
good
<qwebirc68379>
No it does not
<qwebirc68379>
that is why I am here
<qwebirc68379>
first step sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.100 up
<qwebirc68379>
on ubuntu
<qwebirc68379>
once squid has restarted with squid.conf wiki-modified
<qwebirc68379>
second step on ubuntu laptop ssh -l root 192.168.254.101
<qwebirc68379>
the on nn terminal I type export http_proxy=192.168.254.100:3128
<qwebirc68379>
is it correct
<qwebirc68379>
?
<qwebirc68379>
ping 192.168.254.100 works fine on nn
<kristianpaul>
Okay, if the proxy is not in your laptop you could try to setup a brower in that ubuntu, and make sure it work there first
<qwebirc68379>
so in other words what could I do on ubuntu
<qwebirc68379>
?
<qwebirc68379>
what program do I use?
<qwebirc68379>
is there a guided interface?
<qwebirc68379>
This is the output of squid
<qwebirc68379>
2011/10/01 16:35:16| WARNING: Netmasks are deprecated. Please use CIDR masks instead. 2011/10/01 16:35:16| WARNING: IPv4 netmasks are particularly nasty when used to compare IPv6 to IPv4 ranges. 2011/10/01 16:35:16| WARNING: For now we will assume you meant to write /32
<qwebirc68379>
even with squid3 does not work on nn
<qwebirc68379>
only ping works
<qwebirc68379>
I do not know what to do
<kristianpaul>
qwebirc68379: first make sure your proxy works in nother not device, no the nanonote
<kristianpaul>
sorry i nevr had setup a quid proxy from scratch so i cant help too much on it :)
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: after updating eda-tools, eeschema now gets stuck in the X server with "File <--plot=ps.sch> not found."
<wolfspraul>
maybe we updated the kicad patches as well and the server is behind? will check tomorrow. the joys of updates ;-)
<qwebirc68379>
kristianpaul
<qwebirc68379>
now it works
<qwebirc68379>
with export http_proxy=192.168.254.100:3128 no " or ' no http://
<kristianpaul>
oh, ok :)
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: sounds as if you had fallen back to an unpatched version
<qwebirc68379>
I would know if it is possible to use a lighter openwrt festival (probably flite) with russian cyrillic words?
<qwebirc68379>
it is the latest openwrti
<qwebirc68379>
I updated it yesterday
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: there's only one change to the patches since your last one: from march 14, 984a6de70ac5d9247a022875b622a5453c08e49e
<wpwrak>
i don't see it affect --plot, though. and i've used --plot=ps recently. (well, the makefiles i used recently use --plot=ps somewhere deep down :)
<wolfspraul>
ok I will check
<qwebirc68379>
Is it possible to use gftp to tranfer file to qtdict on nn?
<qwebirc68379>
I would add some russian dictionarie...