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<ceene> wpwrak: that is ok
<ceene> if you want to, you can add something along the lines that export from altium to kicad is very feasible
<ceene> just to make sure all people understand there's no strong need for altium in the future
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<ceene> which software do you do the interactive schematic with, by the way?
<ceene> it's pretty cool!
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<DocScrutinizer05> check git, it's in there somewhere
<DocScrutinizer05> https://neo900.org/git/?p=misc;a=blob;f=block/README;h=b8a0e48985963cb5b580f783fa652c1a4bf59ea4;hb=HEAD
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<bencoh> /59/59
<bencoh> woops
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<wpwrak> ceene: thanks ! i put it like this: "In any case, there is a tool (altium2kicad) for converting design files from Altium to KiCAD that seems to be quite good."
<wpwrak> ceene: the block diagram is generated by a nasty collection of perl scripts, lorded over by an evil makefile. and yes, it;s all in here (scripts and neo900-specific data): https://neo900.org/git/?p=misc;a=blob;f=block/
<wpwrak> it is designed to be reusable, though. e.g., i'm also using it here: https://gitlab.com/anelok/anelok/tree/master/doc/2015/block
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<wpwrak> ceene, ahycka: by the way, i generated gerbers for the outlines of LOWER and BOB: it's the .gbr files in https://neo900.org/stuff/werner/tmp/pcbmod/
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<wpwrak> the generation process lives here: https://neo900.org/git/?p=misc;a=tree;f=pcbmod
<ceene> that's very much appreciated indeed
<ceene> that's all the space we have to fit components on lower
<ceene> i don't understand what's BOB, though
<DocScrutinizer05> BOB is the small BreakOut Board with the uSD tray and flash LEDs etc on it
<ceene> there are three boards then?
<ceene> for the final product too?
<DocScrutinizer05> in original N900 PCB it's attached via that nasty flex PCB
<DocScrutinizer05> yes
<ceene> ok
<ceene> i haven't opened n900
<ceene> i expect not to :)
<ceene> oh, cool
<ceene> that's very useful too
<DocScrutinizer05> the "L-shaped" (black) thing is BOB
<ceene> yeah, i see
<ceene> it's then folded over main board, is that right?
<DocScrutinizer05> yes
<DocScrutinizer05> have to rush, catch a train o/
<DocScrutinizer05> BBL on Friday the latest
<ceene> go, don't miss it!
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: stays available, I'm occasionally available via DocScrutinizer51
<ceene> this picture in particular is fantastic
<ceene> is there a need to replace n900's BOB?
<wpwrak> yes, ours is quite different
<wpwrak> also, we won't do the FPC-in-PCB-sandwich trick. humble pedestrians that we are, we'll use connectors :)
<wpwrak> there are some details about BOB and the LOWER-BOB connection in the Hackerbus document: http://neo900.org/stuff/papers/hb.pdf
<wpwrak> so we need our own BOB a) because the n900 BOB is part of (their) main PCB, and b) also because we change things, e.g., we add the hackerbus
<ceene> hackerbus goes on the bob?
<wpwrak> yes, since this is one of the few places that are accessible without major cuts in the case
<ceene> there'll still be the need to cut the case?
<DocScrutinizer05> to access HB and SIM2 yes
<ceene> ok
<DocScrutinizer05> also possibly a tiny bit to fit tzhe micro-AB jack
<DocScrutinizer05> though prolly not
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway SIM2 and HB access are optional
<ceene> yeah, i see
<ceene> seems nice :)
<wpwrak> oh, AB ! how did i miss that. do we _really_ want that ? they suck in the most horrible ways
<DocScrutinizer05> huh?
<wpwrak> i tried AB for anelok, but found that all that prevents a reversed plug from going in is the little piece of plastic
<DocScrutinizer05> errr
<wpwrak> i.e., the shell won't block the plug
<DocScrutinizer05> BBL
<wpwrak> sure. bon voyage !
* wpwrak adds Micro AB extermination to his to do list
<DocScrutinizer51> right after "make a note travel back in time to convince Nokia's BoD not to ever talk to Elop"
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<wpwrak> fair point ;-)
<wpwrak> or make a dvd with the best of nokia's downfall, travel back in time, buy 100 m of strong rope (you don't need to bring that from the future as well), and deposit all this at the cantina at nokia hq, just before lunch time. then let the employees to the convincing :)
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<DocScrutinizer51> great! train WLAN blocks SIP and IRC
<Venemo> DocScrutinizer51: they usually block everything but port 80, sometimes they even block https and icmp ports
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