00:14 <Arch-TK> DocScrutinizer05: will the neo900 have two serial "ports" or whatever the name is to the baseband?

00:14 <Arch-TK> DocScrutinizer05: for internet and sms/call handing at the same time?

01:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Arch-TK: yes

02:21 <DocScrutinizer05> though for such concurrent tasks there's also a mux scheme on UART as well as multiple virtual channels in USB

12:33 <Arch-TK> I see.

12:33 <Arch-TK> Very interesting.

12:33 <DocScrutinizer05> mux scheme named mux07.11 iirc

12:34 <Arch-TK> DocScrutinizer05: I'm not sure about the speeds of this serial interface, would the usb interface throttle the connection?

12:34 <DocScrutinizer05> USB genuinely supports multiple virtual data channels

12:34 <DocScrutinizer05> no, USB is fast enough

12:34 <Arch-TK> Good.

12:34 <DocScrutinizer05> UART isn't

12:35 <Arch-TK> I see, so in a pinch, it would be best to use the USB interface for internet connection and the UART for calls / sms (should be fast enough right?)

12:36 <DocScrutinizer05> yes

12:36 <Arch-TK> What happens when for example a call is incoming as I am currently already engaged in a call? How do modern smartphones handle this scenario (I seem to remember they are able to tell you someone else is calling you while you are in a call, but they could just do what a landline would, i.e. reject/busy)? Multiple serial interfaces again?

12:36 <DocScrutinizer05> though USB has enough reserve to handle both data and management

12:36 <Arch-TK> Cool.

12:37 <DocScrutinizer05> (2nd call) depends on carrier policy and modem config

12:37 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, afk. busy

12:37 <DocScrutinizer05> bbl

12:37 <Arch-TK> Ok

12:38 <DocScrutinizer05> see P*S8 AT reference manual

12:39 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.seapraha.cz/download/phs8-p_atc_v02003a.pdf

12:40 <Arch-TK> thanks

12:40 <DocScrutinizer05> 4.7 AT+CMUX Multiplex mode

12:40 <DocScrutinizer05> for example

12:41 <Arch-TK> On an unrelated note, I imagine the new expected date is 2Q2016 and no longer 1Q2016

12:41 <Arch-TK> Or is the project still (somehow) on track for 1Q

12:41 <DocScrutinizer05> yes

12:42 <DocScrutinizer05> no

12:42 <Arch-TK> Ok. (Sorry for asking two questions which are opposites, I've been told off for this on IRC before :P)

12:42 <DocScrutinizer05> bbl, late

12:43 <DocScrutinizer05> o/

12:43 <Arch-TK> \o

18:12 <Arch-TK> DocScrutinizer05: is there any resource (or can you tell me) regarding how the n900 implemented that fancy alarm clock where even the turned-off phone would turn on to sound the alarm clock?

18:12 <Arch-TK> DocScrutinizer05: and will this be possible to do in the neo900?

18:14 <DocScrutinizer05> it uses RTC and of course it will work exactly same way on Neo900

20:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Nikolaus has no timeslot for us, for next 9 months. :-/

21:04 <edwin> how much time would've been required? if he's working on a 9 month long project I maybe a few weeks of delay won't matter

21:51 <DocScrutinizer05> won't fly. We need a new hw house

21:52 <Arch-TK> DocScrutinizer05: This is for the board layout?

21:53 <xman> Oops, what did I miss "new hw house"?

21:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I know how layout works, but I'm not an expert. We can't do this on a "whenever I got a few hours free time" basis, nor on a "let's start to practice this, we know how to do it in theory"

21:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Arch-TK: yep

21:53 <Arch-TK> DocScrutinizer05: Board layout seems to be one of those things where everyone can do it but only a few can do it well.

21:53 <DocScrutinizer05> xman: Golden delicious aka Nikolaus has no timeslot for us for the next 6-9 months

21:54 <DocScrutinizer05> Arch-TK: yes, exactly

21:54 <xman> Oh no, that sucks. It was great that they seems to be a good fit.

21:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I can review layouts and spot problems. however I am not a professional layouter

21:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I possibly can do proto_v2 layout, but that doesn't help when I fail on final layout, or it takes lots of time and board spins

21:57 <Arch-TK> Obvious solution: Make a kickstarter for a potato salad and use the excess money to pay a professional layouter...

21:57 <Arch-TK> Right... I'll see myself out...

21:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd hope we have enough funds to pay a professional layouter

21:58 <Arch-TK> What about this "investor" any more news?

21:59 <DocScrutinizer05> Nikolaus isn't for free either, if he finds time to work for the project

21:59 <DocScrutinizer05> so finding a new hw house to get the layout done might be even more economic in the end

22:00 <xman> How hard is it to find a hardware shop for these things?

22:01 <DocScrutinizer05> the problem is mainly to find one and transport all the discussed but never documented knowledge

22:01 <DocScrutinizer05> xman: I guess we'll find out rather soon ;-)

22:01 <xman> Heh, yeah … fingers double cross.

22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks

22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> isn't it a poor joke how next problem arises as soon as one gets solved? I wonder how long a single person can cope to try and handle this

22:03 <Arch-TK> life.

22:03 <xman> Yeah, I hear you and appreciate you and the others taking on this challenge.

22:04 <xman> Which is why I hope to help if I can with the PR/Design stuff. Got 2 more project that need to finish first and of course make a living too.

22:44 <FIQ> https://twitter.com/RichFelker/status/693074027951316992 hooray for systemd

22:46 <FIQ> and EFI for that matter

22:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ~systemd

22:57 <infobot> systemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel, or see https://devuan.org http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

23:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ~nosystemd

23:19 <infobot> well, nosystemd is https://devuan.org http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/