<ocdtrekkie>
I am not sure I have ever seen something so dystopian as what I watched today.
<ocdtrekkie>
For the first time, I am actually literally terrified of where we are headed.
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<ccx>
?
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<TimMc>
ocdtrekkie: spill
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<ocdtr_web>
The Google I/O crud. Smart Compose and particularly Duplex. An insane point where they introduced that their AI is going to call people pretending to be human five minutes after bragging about how few voice recordings they now needed to fully emulate someone's voice.
<ocdtr_web>
I am actually unsure how they operated their supposedly real demo without violating the law, given that recording a phone call requires two-party consent in California. Presumably they either staged it or went to a friendlier legal jurisdiction to do it.
<ocdtr_web>
Perhaps sought consent in advance. But nonetheless, it's hard to see how that service could even be legal in much of the United States, considering you would arguably have to record the call to be sending the audio to Google's AI for it to process.
<jemc>
perhaps trying to stretch the legal definition of what it means to "record" a call
<jemc>
something about streaming vs retention
<ocdtr_web>
They also state nothing about their plans on retention, but generally Google improves their models via new recorded data.
<ocdtr_web>
It is hard to see how they intend to operate this product without recording the calls outright.
<ocdtr_web>
I wonder if they might "stream only" calls involving states with two party consent, and record any data between people in one party consent, since they can surely fit "permission to record all your calls" into their Terms of Service.
<ocdtr_web>
Or arguably, Google can consent to record a call between Google's AI and another caller, in a one party consent state.
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<ocdtr_web>
But between that and Smart Compose, which pushes Gmail users into letting the AI write their emails for them, it seems like we're increasingly moving into a space where not using Google products isn't enough: I need to cut myself off from people using Google products.
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<LostInTheSauce>
Hello, I have a question about DNS entries for sandstorm install
<ocdtr_web>
Fire away
<ocdtr_web>
(Though I cannot guarantee I know the answer)
<LostInTheSauce>
My site keeps failing the self-test
<LostInTheSauce>
I have a wildcar dns entry but I just can't get it to work
<LostInTheSauce>
I see the errors in the javascript console
<LostInTheSauce>
and I can do a lookup of the self-test url, but for whatever reason it keeps failing
<drebs>
hello,! I'm haviing trouble debugging email sending errors in sandstorm, maybe some of you might bring some light!? :)
<drebs>
first, i'm a bit confused on where to find logs for my sandstorm installation
<drebs>
should they be in /opt/sandstorm/var/log/sandstorm.log ?
<drebs>
when i test email sending in sandstorm admin page, the error shows up there but not in the logs
<drebs>
oops, now it showed. Good first result of rubber ducking ;)
<drebs>
well, not sure, actually, the error when sending email is different from errors i see in the .log file
<drebs>
OK, so this is the error I see when testing email sending:
<drebs>
Error while trying to send test email: {"code":"ECONNECTION","errno":"EBUSY","syscall":"getaddrinfo","hostname":"mail.gandi.net","host":"mail.gandi.net","port":465,"command":"CONN"} [other-email-sending-error]
<drebs>
it used to work correctly until some days ago, and testing with swaks from command line in the same server using the same account works fine.
<drebs>
Can someone give me a clue on what might be wrong here?
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<TimMc>
drebs: That's pretty weird. Doesn't ring a bell...
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<ocdtrekkie>
Someone else had more or less the same message on the 27th, though they had ECONNREFUSED and drebs got EBUSY