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<Messbro>
hey! can i use sandstorm in de_DE?
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<phromo>
Any known installation issues on Ubuntu Xenial? Installation suceeds but services never start.
<phromo>
had a look at the chat logs and looks like a lot of people have installation issues. I guess sandstorm is too betaish yet. I'll be back in a couple of months and see if things have stabilized.
<mrdomino>
it's gotten me thinking about how to actually do a sandstorm chat server with a good UX
<mrdomino>
in particular i want you to be able to start a direct message with a user by creating or finding a sandchat grain shared with only that user
<mrdomino>
there is also some temptation to embed sandchat grains into other grains so they show up as chat moles
<mrdomino>
but that seems all but totally crazy to me
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<kentonv>
mrdomino: these are things we've thought about a bit
<kentonv>
eventually I want the Sandstorm UI to have a way to choose a user and create a grain with them, in such a way that the UX is appropriate for the "private message" use case
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* mrdomino
nods
<mrdomino>
the private message case seems doable from my naive perspective
<mrdomino>
the chat-mole-in-another-grain case seems like a total bitch, but maybe you could just drop an iframe in place and it'd be fine
<kentonv>
we'd like to support embedding, where one grain can be embedded in an iframe within another grain. However, I'm not sure that solves the chat mole case, since you don't want every single app to have to implement embedding of chat moles separately.
<mrdomino>
right
<kentonv>
it solves the opposite case: you could have a chat grain with an embedded document or something else that you're working on with people in the chat
<kentonv>
which might cover a lot of the same use cases, perhaps
<mrdomino>
interesting, right
<kentonv>
if we want chat moles inside other apps, probably Sandstorm has to provide some explicit support for that. But focusing on embedding the other way might be a good place to start, and see how far that takes us.
* mrdomino
nods
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<funwhilelost>
What about a "split view" app - similar to the way the Collections app brings multiple grains together.
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