drbrain changed the topic of #rubygems to: RubyGems 2.0.2: http://bit.ly/rubygems-2-0-2 – Latest status: http://twitter.com/rubygems_status and http://status.rubygems.org
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<roidrage> samkottler: ping
<samkottler> roidrage: hey, I'm about to get on a call - will you be around in 30?
<roidrage> of course :)
<roidrage> didn't even think you'd be up this early :)
<samkottler> roidrage: I work with a bunch of europeans :P
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<samkottler> roidrage: yo
<roidrage> samkottler: heya! so i've set up our gems redirect proxy and so far so good
<roidrage> i'm automating it currently, and i need to make sure we have the right certificates available
<samkottler> roidrage: that's awesome!
<roidrage> but so far, adopting the nginx config seems to work okay
<samkottler> roidrage: cool
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<roidrage> it's just http as rubygems barfs on the missing certificate
<roidrage> but it's a start. it basically redirects everything directly to s3
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<nicek> hi
<samkottler> roidrage: what's your plan for telling users to use your proxy?
<roidrage> i don't have one yet :)
<samkottler> nicek: hey, what's up?
<roidrage> i suspect with the source now being a direct url there's no easy way to sneak it in
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<roidrage> the general downside is that the source is tied into the Gemfile.lock
<roidrage> need to figure that out
<roidrage> i also started adding support for retries to bundler to mitigate the issue on that end as well
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<roidrage> samkottler: but if you have any suggestions, let me know :)
<samkottler> roidrage: I like the idea of retries, especially if they are local
<samkottler> so for example, if a gem install times out, it'll get re-executed n number of times
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<roidrage> yeah
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<samkottler> where n is some number low enough that bundler doesn't DDoS rubygems.org :)
<samkottler> 3 probably feels like a good default
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<karmi> samkottler: Any idea about adding "vagrant" to the Gemfile for rubygems-aws? Getting `already activated` errors without it...
<samkottler> karmi: that will break with newer versions of Vagrant because it's no longer distributed as a gem
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<karmi> samkottler: I know, but for older ones, it might be a good thing.
<karmi> samkottler: would it then "shadow" new vagrant versions installed from the package?
<samkottler> karmi: that'll cause some issues :(
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<roidrage> samkottler: yeah, i prepared some code for that, need to wrap it up in a nice pull request :)
<roidrage> samkottler: do you have any thoughts/ideas on where the current ssl config for nginx falls short?
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<dwradcliffe> karmi: where are you getting an error?
<karmi> dwradcliffe: hey! without `bundler exec`?
<dwradcliffe> karmi: I'd suggest removing the gem and installing from package
<samkottler> roidrage: I haven't hadn't had time to really dig into it yet, unfortunately
<roidrage> okay, cool
<roidrage> i'd love to help out with the ops part on rubygems.org at some point if there's interest
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<samkottler> roidrage: that'd be awesome! it's definitely a WIP right now
<dwradcliffe> roidrage: ++
<karmi> dwradcliffe: Sure. Can't do it now, though, I depend on the gem version in a cookbook I work on.
<karmi> dwradcliffe: need to be able to require "stuff", no way to do it easily with the packaged Vagrant version
<karmi> roidrage: hi! I'm working on adding Elasticsearch currently.
<karmi> So, `dbmaster` fails now with:
<karmi> * Error: /var/lib/pg_data is not accessible or does not exist
<roidrage> karmi: hey! elasticsearch to rubygems.org for search?
<samkottler> karmi: would you mind sending the email you sent earlier out to the rubygems.org list? there are some people on there who would probably like to help out
<karmi> roidrage: yes! It's been done half a year ago :) https://github.com/rubygems/rubygems.org/pull/455, now we need just to install it
<dwradcliffe> karmi: haven't had time to refactor yet :(
<karmi> samkottler: I guess in this stage I need a realtime advice...
<karmi> samkottler: I've spent a lot of time debugging it already, and these are just bits and pieces
<samkottler> karmi: that address being hardcoded is technical debt
<samkottler> it should just be in the node attribute
<dwradcliffe> karmi: I have a branch that attempted to fix some of this
<samkottler> a node attribute**
<karmi> OK. I was wondering about some general issues in the whole setup… could be a bit improved here and there.
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<samkottler> karmi: yeah, we built it in 2 sleepless days so there is definitely some debt :)
<karmi> I can imagine :)
<karmi> Some time ago, me and my colleague prepared a demo full-stack Chef install, it uses Chef Server, but some ideas could be lifted from it, such as restoring from backup etc, https://github.com/karmi/chef-hello-cloud/
<karmi> dwradcliffe: samkottler: what about the `/var/lib/pg_data is not accessible or does not exist` error?
<karmi> That's the path set in the `rubygems_db_master` role. I guess it should be created by the pg recipe?
<samkottler> karmi: yeah it should be when running on vagrant, in production that's an EBS volume
<karmi> samkottler: OK, but why I get the error then...? :)
<karmi> roidrage: You'd be interested in helping with the Elasticsearch integration?
<karmi> roidrage: Lots of stuff to be decided IMHO, such as if to plan for backup/recovery, how to do it, etc etc.
<dwradcliffe> karmi: can you post a gist of the error context?
<roidrage> karmi: my personal experience with ES is rather limited :)
<samkottler> karmi: I can help you with ES
<karmi> dwradcliffe: Sure thing, http://hastebin.com/rigajufixi.txt
<karmi> samkottler: Great! Also, I'd love to use it as an example of improving the docs/setup, so other people in future have it easier.
<samkottler> karmi: I said it *should* create /var/lib/pg_data, not that it does ;)
<roidrage> samkottler: is there a mailing list worth joining around rubygems.org?
<samkottler> it's very low traffic
<dwradcliffe> karmi: I've seen that before. If you ssh in and restart postgresql does it restart ok?
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<karmi> dwradcliffe: will try
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<karmi> dwradcliffe: Sadly, no luck:
<karmi> vagrant@rubygems-org-dbmaster:~$ sudo service postgresql restart
<karmi> * Restarting PostgreSQL 9.2 database server
<karmi> * Error: /var/lib/pg_data is not accessible or does not exist
<karmi> Doesn't matter if I kill the process etc, it won't start, `cap chef:dmaster` fails on it as well.
<dwradcliffe> karmi: does the dir exist?
<karmi> dwradcliffe: No :) But I'm surprised by that — though I must be doing something wrong, this prevents the stack installation for everybody then.
<dwradcliffe> karmi: well I'm not 100% sure the whole stack install works right now
<karmi> dwradcliffe: We should fix it then :)
<dwradcliffe> haha yep
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<karmi> dwradcliffe: hmm, see https://github.com/phlipper/chef-postgresql/blob/master/recipes/data_directory.rb — the "chef-postgresql" cookbook has been updated and now it should create the dir
<dwradcliffe> karmi: ha, I was looking at the same thing
<dwradcliffe> karmi: can you try updating to the latest version of that cookbook?
<karmi> Also, I usually used (and fixed) https://github.com/opscode-cookbooks/postgresql, the level fragmentation in Chef cookbooks is terrible…
<karmi> * level of fragmentation
<karmi> dwradcliffe: yeah, will look into it
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<karmi> dwradcliffe: it's pinned in Cheffile, ref: "0.8.0", I think going with "master" would be safe enough?
<dwradcliffe> yeah just yank the ref
* dwradcliffe will brb
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<karmi> dwradcliffe: samkottler: Also, the vagrant vms use Chef 10.x, I think it would be wise to use a Chef-Solo Vagrant provider integration to upgrade it to newer version?
<karmi> samkottler: About using node attribute in the dbmaster role — which IP would you use? node.ipaddress? node.network.xxx ? what about using private IPs in EC2?
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<dwradcliffe> karmi: did the updated cookbook fix the problem?
<karmi> dwradcliffe: partly. the dir is indeed created, PR sent
<dwradcliffe> cool
<karmi> dwradcliffe: the problem is setting the listen addresses etc now
<dwradcliffe> karmi: merged
<karmi> dwradcliffe: cool
<dwradcliffe> I wouldn't just copy/paste, but you can do something similar to set the attributes in a recipe
<karmi> dwradcliffe: yeah, that's a way to some solution
<karmi> dwradcliffe: though the values set in the databag will override this
<karmi> dwradcliffe: random other stuff I bumped into — the "user" and "sudo" cookbooks will wipe out any default user/sudoers/sshkey you have on the target machine. so eg. to test deployment against EC2 I had to run a databag for me. this feels wrong to me.
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<karmi> dwradcliffe: Also, why use Capistrano for the deploy, with all the overhead it comes with? Why not simply git fetch, reset, app restart?
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<dwradcliffe> karmi: we don't currently use capistrano for the app deploy
<dwradcliffe> it's part of the chef process, although we have been talking about changing that
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<karmi> dwradcliffe: I abandoned cap based deploys long ago. Git etc makes it more lightweight.
<karmi> dwradcliffe: Right now stuck on migration fail again — I think it's something about database.yml not being symlinked/copied
<karmi> dwradcliffe: And this is too hard to debug with Cap.
<dwradcliffe> karmi: I'm open to talking about changing that but probably not right away. There are bigger problems to deal with first.
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<karmi> dwradcliffe: I see that. On the other, I feel there's currently high barrier for anybody to just jump in and help — the whole process/setup has many moving parts, missing info, etc
<dwradcliffe> karmi: yep. You're absolutely right.
<karmi> dwradcliffe: Manually massaged the /releases etc, and now finally got there: "FATAL: no pg_hba.conf entry for host "33.33.33.10", user "postgres", database "rubygems_staging", SSL off"
<karmi> dwradcliffe: I think there's also some mismatch between staging/production — cap tries to run db:migrate with production, but the db is set to _staging, etc
<dwradcliffe> hmm, that's possible
<dwradcliffe> I'll have to dig though the code later
<karmi> dwradcliffe: Also, for switching IPs on vagrant/other vs EC2, I usually just did:
<karmi> host = database.attribute?(:cloud) ? database[:cloud][:local_ipv4] : database[:ipaddress]
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<autojack> is there a convenient way to check the version of a given gem, within Ruby, if I'm not actually using/requiring that gem in my code?
<autojack> or am I just going to parse `gem list`?
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<samkottler> autojack: Gem.available?("<some regex>")
<samkottler> although that method might have changed since I last used it, which was admittedly a while ago
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<autojack> hmm, let me try.
<autojack> that just gives me true/false
<autojack> what I'd expect from a method name ending in ?
<autojack> but there must be a way. from what I've read, the gem CLI tool is just a thin wrapper around the rubygems lib. if that can tell me the versions of stuff, there must be a way to do what I want in code.
<autojack> I'll look at the Gem api.
<autojack> if I can find it.
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<autojack> I give up. if anyone has a solution, let me know, meanwhile I'll be parsing command line output.
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<drbrain> autojack: ruby -rpp -e 'dep = Gem::Dependency.new "rake", "> 9"; pp Gem::SpecFetcher.fetcher.spec_for_dependency dep'
<autojack> hmm
<autojack> I was just looking at Gem.source_index.search
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<drbrain> there is no such method anymore
<autojack> ah, OK.
<autojack> I have an ancient rubygems on this box.
<drbrain> SourceIndex was for the first generation index
<autojack> nod
<drbrain> but it wasn't removed until RubyGems 2
<autojack> ah, OK
<autojack> I don't think we're using 2 anywhere yet.
<autojack> NoMethodError: undefined method `spec_for_dependency' for #<Gem::SpecFetcher:0xb79ae4a0>
<autojack> guessing that's not here in 1.x
<autojack> so maybe I should stick with my way.
<drbrain> You'll still need to use SpecFetcher
<drbrain> SourceIndex won't work
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<autojack> how so? I got it to give me an array of spec tuples. I think.
<autojack> version is in it.
<autojack> oh I see, it's a specification. I get it.
<drbrain> the indexes for SourceIndex aren't updated anymore
<drbrain> at least, not on rubygems.org
<autojack> I'm just trying to get the version of a gem that is already installed locally.
<autojack> but I'm getting way past the "burned too much time trying to find a clever way to do this" point.
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<drbrain> oh, locally?
<drbrain> Gem::Specification.select will do that
<drbrain> (or find)
<autojack> sorry, it's not making sense to me what I do with the Specification object I get back.
<autojack> Gem::Specification.select 'foo' just says select is a private method.
<drbrain> what version of RubyGems are you using?
<autojack> heh, on this particular box, 1.3.7 (cringe)
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<autojack> the reason why is basically, "we're a bunch of assholes"
<autojack> so yeah, I know.
<autojack> the actual reason why is "we have a bunch of projects that still use a version of bundler that dates to the late jurassic period."
<drbrain> ah, that's why
<autojack> nod
<drbrain> (not the asshole part, the 1.3.7 part)
<autojack> I didn't want to waste peoples' time based on that, I should have been more clear sooner.
<drbrain> I can't remember how to do this in 1.3.7 :/
<autojack> well
<autojack> the way the actual gem command does it
<autojack> specs = Gem.source_index.search name ; spec_tuples = specs.map do |spec| ... you can guess the rest.
<autojack> it only takes me two lines to parse the CLI output.
<autojack> so I dunno.
<autojack> tempted to just go with that and fuck it.
<drbrain> considering you'd need to rewrite the API stuff when upgrading off 1.3.7 anyhow, I'd go with parsing output
<autojack> yeah I'm starting to think that.
<autojack> this doesn't need to be performant, so shelling out is not that gross.
<autojack> but it's a good reminder, as if I needed any more, that we REALLY need to get in there with a sword and upgrade stuff off old bundler.
<autojack> the problem was that the bundler people removed the local/cached gems feature for awhile.
<autojack> and we needed that.
<autojack> they added it back in though, and all our new projects are using a recent bundler.
<autojack> thanks for the help though, sorry for wasting your time.
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