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<Intelo> Hi
<Intelo> Ruby is nice at smart short syntax. Is there any other language that is similar to this?
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<leah2> perl ;)
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<Intelo> hm
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<apotheon> Perl is "good" at very hand-wavy short syntax.
<apotheon> I wouldn't exactly say it's nice at smart short syntax.
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<havenwood> Intelo: Elixir is lovely, with some Ruby inspirations
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<havenwood> Intelo: Clojure can be quite concise. Learn to love the parens. :P
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<apotheon> havenwood: I find traditional lispy parentheses less cluttered-looking than Clojure's pseudo-heteroiconic delimiter types.
<apotheon> havenwood: . . . but then, I've never really used Clojure, so maybe it'd grow on me.
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<Intelo> havenwood: hey :) how are you? THanks for reply, but I seek a general purpose smart language. I have little experience with java and javascript (for your context)
<havenwood> Intelo: Whatcha mean by "smart" there?
<Intelo> havenwood: I heard the name Elixir and Clojure first time and guess they are not so famous yet?
<Intelo> havenwood: smart: general purpose language that has nice syntax like ruby, well performant and featureful
<havenwood> Intelo: They're fairly new langs, from 2007 and 2011.
<havenwood> Intelo: They've risen in popularity fairly quickly. See: https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2020/07/27/language-rankings-6-20/
<havenwood> Intelo: Kotlin or Swift might fit that bill?
<Intelo> hm
<havenwood> Intelo: <3 Elixir, and they've got a great we framework called Phoenix.
<Intelo> or rust?
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<havenwood> Intelo: Doing systems programming?
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<havenwood> Intelo: If so, yes.
<Intelo> havenwood: no, general purpose. Systems + web + desktop (least)
<havenwood> Intelo: Give Phoenix a try: https://phoenixframework.org/
<Intelo> What had been done to make ruby faster?
<Intelo> Is it fast as python/
<havenwood> Intelo: At doing what?
<Intelo> I saw the link
<Intelo> havenwood: don't know; the performance
<havenwood> Intelo: It's hard to summarize what all has been done regarding performance unless you give some constraints.
<havenwood> Intelo: A ton of various things have been done.
<Intelo> last time I worked on a ruby based app. It consumed a lot of memory and was still slow
<leftylink> alphabetically...
<Intelo> compared to a node or java app
<leftylink> and then blatantly non alphabetical
<Intelo> havenwood: ^
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<havenwood> Intelo: You ported the specific app to Java or Node? Often poor DB queries are the culprit, which perform identically in all three of those languages.
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<Intelo> havenwood: Ruby is considered as favorites of programmers rather than marketing hype (mongo) or large ecosystem advantage (node.js)
<Intelo> havenwood: I have experience in java so I can tell with that same app if ported would perform better but java is toooo time consuming
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<havenwood> Intelo: Here, H20 MRuby with 700K JSON requests serialized per second: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r19&hw=ph&test=json
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<Intelo> havenwood: checking; btw, is there any langauage you would prefer over ruby?
<havenwood> Intelo: Ruby is definitely fast enough for the web. You may have to spend a bit of that time saved on writing efficient code.
<Intelo> is ruby general purpose?
<havenwood> Intelo: Yes, Ruby is general purpose.
<Intelo> havenwood: is there any langauage you would prefer over ruby?
<havenwood> Intelo: I don't have a specific language, unless you tell me what for. But there are a cluster of langs I like very much.
<havenwood> Intelo: Elixir is very compelling for the web.
<Intelo> hm.
<Intelo> havenwood: whats that cluster?
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<apotheon> probably starting with Ruby and Elixir
<apotheon> may also include Clojure
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<havenwood> Intelo: Ruby-like languages like Ruby and Crystal. Lispy langs like Clojure, Racket, and Scheme. Functional langs like Elixir, Clojure, F#, and that one other lang. :P
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<havenwood> Intelo: I've actually not done any Rust, but I don't typically do any systems level stuff.
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<apotheon> "that one other lang"
<apotheon> Haskell?
<apotheon> Standard ML?
<havenwood> I leave it to the reader.
<apotheon> har
<apotheon> SML, then!
<havenwood> Haha
<apotheon> It's a great language.
<apotheon> okay, that's enough outta me
<apotheon> off to meatspace