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<thoraxe>
so i have an array of models m where each Model has a slug attribute (m.slug). I have another array of slugs (["foo","bar"]) and I want to find any of the models in m that have a slug that's in the slugs array
<thoraxe>
i'm guessing this is some weird combination of map (on slugs) and select (on m) but my search fu is failing me
<thoraxe>
i could do each on slug but that seems naughty
<riceandbeans>
Hey, what's the proper term for methods that are !
<riceandbeans>
I know what they do by convention
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<riceandbeans>
I just.....I was wanting to explain them to someone today because I was asked and I was like..you know...I don't actually know what they're called but this is what they mean and gave examples to illustrate
<riceandbeans>
ie, "FOO".downcase!
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<havenwood>
soulisson: Yeah, like most things it's tough to get to a level of mastery.
<soulisson>
I'm reading about it and there are already things I don't understand like the concept of convention over configuration
<havenwood>
riceandbeans: "[B]y convention, a method with an exclamation point or bang is considered dangerous."
<havenwood>
soulisson: If you show me a Rails app that's done conventionally, I already know where to find everything without even looking first at the code.
<soulisson>
ok
<havenwood>
soulisson: You can add someone to a project and they know what drawer to look in for the code.
<havenwood>
soulisson: It's harder to master, but then you can get up to speed quickly.
<soulisson>
thanks a lot
<havenwood>
soulisson: Roda is my favorite minimalist framework in Ruby. Unlike Rails, you start with nothing and cherry pick plugins to build a framework with fewer conventions.
<havenwood>
riceandbeans: There's a #downcase! that modifies the receiver because a #downcase method that returns a new object already exists, for example.
<havenwood>
riceandbeans: If you have a method and want to make another method that's very similar but "more dangerous," add a bang!
<havenwood>
riceandbeans: Oh, you said you already know what they do by convention...
<havenwood>
I just got that now.
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<havenwood>
riceandbeans: I don't know of a fancy name like "predicate methods." I just call them "bang methods."
<havenwood>
I think just "bang methods" or maybe "dangerous methods."
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<riceandbeans>
havenwood: lol, dangerous methods
<riceandbeans>
havenwood: I explained it as one does the op as by val vs by ref
<riceandbeans>
like, ! is by ref, no ! is by val
<riceandbeans>
Then I saw their eyes light up and like OH I GET IT NOW
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<alexpp>
Hi guys!
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<alexpp>
Need a help
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<alexpp>
Got a script:or22='style.css'rep22='stylea577.css'Dir.glob("/home/alex/SITE/*.html") do |file_name| text = File.read(file_name) replace = text.gsub!(or22, rep22) File.open(file_name, "w") { |file| file.puts replace }endIt's works fine, but second applying somehow makes affected html empty
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<alexpp82>
Hi guys! Got a script: or22='style.css' rep22='stylea577.css'Dir.glob "/home/alex/SITE/*.html") do |file_name| text = File.read(file_name) replace=text.gsub!(or22, rep22) File.open(file_name, "w") { |file| file.puts replace } endIt's works fine, but second applying somehow makes affected html empty. Could please some1 help me?
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<alexpp>
I don't have to use ruby. It's just seems more readable than sed.
<alexpp>
Tried to make it with SED and failed...
<leftylink>
ah. a shame.
<leftylink>
that is unfortunate
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<splud_wurk>
I have an installed gem "rawline (0.5.3)" that has been in my config for aeons. Another dev needs this for something that uses it, but cannot locate it at this time.
<splud_wurk>
is there some invocation of 'gem' that can package up that gemset from my system to share to the other dev? Or specific files I'd grab?
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<splud_wurk>
Hrm, I guess the gem cache will do.
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<leitz>
Is there a need for junior mentors to mentor newbies?
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<ratah>
leitz: Good question! www.rubymentoring.com seems to be available if you wanna start a new project ;)
<ratah>
Remember you heard it here first
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<leitz>
ratah, have you checked the domain? :)
<ratah>
leitz: why? :)
<leitz>
Parked.
<ratah>
oops :)
<leitz>
Sorry, I'm overly concise. The domain is parked.
<ratah>
i couldnt resist im sorry
<leitz>
That means the idea is open.
<ratah>
it was available just now though
<ratah>
i figured grabbing it would be a nice testimony to my love for ruby
<leitz>
ratah, hey, that would be an awesome thing for me! I need mentoring for the things I'm trying to learn.
<ratah>
word
<ratah>
yeah i keep seeing all these pros going on about their ruby mentoring programs, but ive yet to see a decent site where they can all unite
<leitz>
In the past, I've helped people learn things when I was only a little further along than they were.
<ratah>
nice!
<leitz>
I haven't seen too many/any ruby mentors.
<ratah>
maybe because there isnt a real site for them. i know of a lot on stackoverflow and in this channel
<leitz>
I have seen "buy my course", and that's fine. One of the things I most wish for is a mentor who will look at my code and tell me the top two or three things I need to work on.
<leitz>
I'm self taught, and have a lot of gaps.
<ratah>
most of them have moved on from irc, but are still mentoring in their spare time, like ryan bigg etc.
<leitz>
For example, adam12 gave me a lot of good insight into the adapter pattern. That's my next big push in my code.
<ratah>
leitz: oh yeah, i'd love for that too. actually yeah
<ratah>
"how do i hire someone to just look through my final code real quick, where do i find them" - question that's crossed my mind many times
<leitz>
One of the challenges I've struggled with is the gap between "book code" and "real code". Most projects are pretty involved, and if you are just learning, there's a steep curve. I have a couple projects that are small, but growing. If someone wanted to, I could help them learn what I know, and they could then go on and be better than I.
<ratah>
yeah if it wasn't for adam12 i sure wouldnt be where i am right now :)
<ratah>
for sure!
<leitz>
ratah, did you just buy rubymentoring.com?
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<ratah>
i guess mentoring is sorta in the intersection between actual consulting and just giving quick tips on irc. the mentorer doesnt really have to get involved, just skim through the code and give quick pointers
<ratah>
leitz: sorta ;)
<leitz>
ratah, care to expand? I'm hyped about the idea, and don't mind pitching in, if I can.
<ratah>
leitz: it seemed like a nice idea. plus the domain seemed kinda lonely there it stood on its own
<ratah>
i figured making a quick craigslist-style from-the-scratch message board would be ideal for something like this
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<apotheon>
leitz: You want code reviews, basically. Right?
<leitz>
Makes sense. At least for a start, you could point to a github page.
<ratah>
perhaps walk around various ruby/rails conventions wearing a tshirt in big bold letters saying "RUBYMENTORS.COM"
<leitz>
ratah, should we get .net and .org?
<ratah>
leitz: i'd love to have a helping hand if you're able
<ratah>
sure!
<ratah>
* RUBYMENTORING.COM
<leitz>
apotheon, less a detailed "fix this", more a "you need to work on object messages as a fundamental tool".
<apotheon>
sure, a more learning-oriented code review
<apotheon>
Good code reviews should come with explanations for why, and address structure instead of just minor tweaks
<apotheon>
.
<apotheon>
hmm
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<apotheon>
I should add mentoring-related features to the plan for something I'm doing.
<leitz>
apotheon, I think so, but I've been a solo programmer for most of my SysAdmin career. There are a *lot* of things I don't know.
<leitz>
What I don't want is a high burden on the mentor, though.
<leitz>
ratah, we have .org and .net.
<ratah>
excellent :)
<ratah>
this is a great idea imho
<ratah>
let's make it happen!
<apotheon>
One of the problems I see with howtos and books is that they don't tend to teach much about managing one's project. There are things particular to any given language and how projects should be organized in that language that are difficult to learn outside of actually working on code with someone who knows more about it than you (i.e. getting a job with a senior dev whose job includes teaching
<apotheon>
you).
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<apotheon>
leitz: I think getting code reviews on feature branches could be a reasonably low-burden way to get help from a more experienced developer.
<apotheon>
. . . and I've actually enjoyed code reviews at times.
<apotheon>
Reviewing others' code can also help keep one sharp.
<apotheon>
I'm not sure if others ever enjoy reviewing code. I seem to enjoy things others don't, such as refactoring badly structured code to make it better.
<apotheon>
s/badly/poorly/
<leitz>
apotheon, one of the mistakes I've struggled with is learning something I'm not ready for. I have Amazon Prime, and I'm not afraid to use it! But that means (few) dozen books on the shelf when I need to internalize basic object creation and messaging.
<apotheon>
ratah: I like the idea of a Craigslist-like thing, but I'm not sure what draw that would have for the people offering their mentoring.
<apotheon>
ratah: Do you have ideas for how to draw mentors' interest?
<apotheon>
leitz: What have you read already?
<ratah>
apotheon: Apart from the name, not really. Not right now at least
<ratah>
If we can get a solid brand and platform up and running though, I'm sure the rest will come to us
<leitz>
apotheon, um, "yes". Seriously, I have gone through most of the "usual" Ruby books, or have them next to me. Pickaxe, POODR, Way, Head First, RSpec, CLosures, Text Processing, Sinatra, Microscope, Cookbook, Metaprogramming, Best Practices, Design Patterns, Eloquent, Refactoring, CLI.
<apotheon>
leitz: My usual advice to people looking for some help with learning is to read Eloquent, and write useful command-line stuff in that rather than in sh or (heaven forfend) Bash while doing it, then go through Sinatra Up And Running and build a simple web application, if what they really want to learn is Ruby, and not Rails.
<leitz>
apotheon, I forgot the O'Reilly book in the WC and Well grounded on the nightstand. :)
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<apotheon>
leitz: Doing something with the knowledge as you acquire it is key, of course. I offer to help along the way, too, but usually people just don't really stick to it when they say they want to learn to program.
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<leitz>
apotheon, I'm actually doing just that; a CLI tool for role-playing games, and I'm spliting out the merchanting game itself into Sinatra.
<apotheon>
leitz: You might have actually read more Ruby books than me, if you've read all those.
<apotheon>
What CLI tool are you writing?
<leitz>
"Read...more like skilled some, read some."
<leitz>
There are currently three branches, but "add_chargen" will go away. I've gotten the basics of it done.
<leitz>
Need to get back to a12_adapter, where adam12 was giving me good code on the adapter pattern.
<leitz>
apotheon, also read and loved "99 bottles".
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<leitz>
Hmm...phpmentoring has died.
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<apotheon>
Was it any good?
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<leitz>
apotheon, yes. Mentors listed themselves, and the areas they felt they could mentor in. A mentee could list themselves, and what they were looking for help in. The github page was self-editable, IIRC, and I found an excellent friend to help me figure out stuff.
<leitz>
If you've ever seen my PHP code, you'd agree than it needs work. ;)
<apotheon>
It's right up there with most professional PHP code, then.
<apotheon>
Learn better programming practices elsewhere (e.g. Ruby community), then go back to PHP and be hated for not being as chaotic with your code as most PHP devs.
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<leitz>
Nyah, I'd rather do Sinatra. Doing Go helped my Sinatra code, too. Of course, most of my Ruby/Perl/Shell looks a lot like Python, too.
<leitz>
apotheon, here's one of the big questions i have. In that code, there's "chargen" the CLI app, "character" the base object, "character_tools" module for modifying a character, without putting everything into character, and character_builder, a Factory.
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<leitz>
They work, but is it an expandable design? I need to modify characters based on their careers, and create families of characters with the same last name. bargen and crewgen need rework, they stamp out a bunch of characters to populate bars and a starship crew. Well, they will when I de-Sinatra them.
<leitz>
apotheon, a well considered assist beats a quick, but unhelpful, one. :)
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<apotheon>
leitz: I've been looking through code a little, in moments between other things. The CLI wrapper you linked is simple, and still easily modified however you need, I think, so there aren't any big problems there at this point.
<apotheon>
leitz: CharacterBuilder immediately makes me think it could benefit from some dependency injection, though, which also might help with testing in the future.
<apotheon>
Stuff like what you're doing with generating appearance and other stuff could be handled by refactoring to iterate over lists, possibly over collections of callbacks or something along those lines, allowing for a more modular and customizable design.
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<phaul>
char is not char but represents a game character? I would say using the variable char is very misleading
<apotheon>
Oh, yeah, that too.
<phaul>
char for most peope represents a letter 'a', 'b' etc
<apotheon>
Be careful about namespace clashes like that.
<apotheon>
leitz: If you have any questions about some of the terminology I used, or about what I meant by a turn of phrase, let me know.
<apotheon>
I'm going to get back to some other stuff I'm doing, but I should be intermittently available throughout the day.
<apotheon>
(I'm in a timezone where it's kinda early morning.)
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<apotheon>
I wrote a sprawling RPG-management tool in Ruby a long time ago, so I'm kinda sympathetic with the obvious intentions of this software.
<leitz>
phaul, I agree on "char"; I thought I had expanded my variable names. One of the lessons from "The Practice of Programming".
<phaul>
Do you have a class that represents characters?
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<leitz>
phaul, it should be "character", in lib/ftl_tools/character.rb
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<AndreYuhai>
Hey there, I am trying to schedule some scripts to run regularly, which gem would you suggest? I am not using Rails by the way which confuses me a lot since everything on the Internet mentions rails.
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<leitz>
I'll fix the "char" after work. Have to keep time separate.
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<phaul>
leitz: I see. Consider making pretty printing characters as an instance method of that class. In general if you call many instance method on an object in one place that's a smell. Usually means that the logic wants to be moved inside the class
<phaul>
This concept is also known as feature envy
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<leitz>
phaul, one of the growth areas is that there are several ways to "display" a character, and I need to migrate an old concept into ftl_tools.
<leitz>
There are three "programs", that seem to be gems. FTLTools, the one I'm doing now, is CLI tools and base stuff like the "Character" class. "FreeTrader" is a web based game that uses FTLTools, and "SomeUnknownName" progam will be a web based character storage a retrieval for my fiction characters.
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<phaul>
It's usually best to avoid control arguments like method there for branching in what to do. One way to overcome thatcan be inheritance, where each sub type can have their ownbehaviour
<phaul>
now, many in the community are strongly against inheritance in all cases, but I disagree with them :) But take my advices with pinch of salt
<phaul>
Inheritance is good for this exact case as long as you don't create deep chains with large classes
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<phaul>
localized inheritance is better than one code doing many things in this case csv, wiki or txt
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<leitz>
In the Presenter case, it handed it off. Maybe an adapter, once I learn them better.
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<phaul>
leitz: try the reek smell detector tool. It might be overwhelming at first with so many complaints coming from it, but it does give some good advice
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<leitz>
phaul, only 119 total warnings. :)
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<kwerle>
I would like to wrap WithMethod class’s self.foo method with a module such that th module could call super and have it incorporate the original method results.
<_phaul>
you could do WithMethod.singleton_class.prepend ExtensionTwo
<kwerle>
So I would like to do something with a module using a method like ModuleTwo and have the result of WithMethod.foo -> “Two foo”
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<adam12>
Yeah; _phaul has it right with the prepending into the singleton class.
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<adam12>
Obviously you wouldn't need to do the singleton class prepend if it wasn't a class method.
<kwerle>
I hate to ask - can you tell me why it works differently when you extend a class without the method than when you extend the class with the method?
<_phaul>
extend goes above the class in the inheritance chain
<_phaul>
try WithMethod.ancestors. you are stil calling the method from the class
<kwerle>
That makes sense. Got it. Thanks so much!
<_phaul>
or actually you would need to see the singleton classes ancestors. but otherwise correct
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<adam12>
I wouldn't hate to ask, either.
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