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Frankenstein >
what qualifies something as an expression? just if it yields a result?
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havenwood >
Frankenstein: yes, return value
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Frankenstein >
neat
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Frankenstein >
so i get how the `if` in `1 if true` is a statement but not an expression, but wouldn't the whole thing still count as an expression, since it returns 1 or nil?
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Swyper >
so class names are supposed to be uppercase right?
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Swyper >
like their file names?
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Frankenstein >
They don't have to match their filenames, but the class name has to be a constant
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Frankenstein >
which iirc requires starting with an uppercase
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baweaver >
&>> class not_capitalized; end
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baweaver >
Frankenstein: So because your name is so apropos, let's have some fun
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baweaver >
&>> something = Class.new; something.new # :D
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baweaver >
In all seriousness though they should be constants
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baweaver >
Now as far as if there's a valid use for doing that? Yes, but with modules
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baweaver >
May be best to start with part one depending on how far along you are in Ruby, but you'd probably enjoy it Frankenstein
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Frankenstein >
oh you moved to dev.to?
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baweaver >
Ah wait, no, I made it into a constant
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Frankenstein >
yeah, i'll check that out
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<
Frankenstein >
thanks, always enjoy your articles
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baweaver >
Medium code highlighting was lackluster
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baweaver >
Thank ya kindly
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baweaver >
Have you seen the conference talks yet?
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Frankenstein >
yeah, i wrote some shell articles on medium and it was a pain
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Frankenstein >
not the new ones no :c
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baweaver >
I'm back at RubyConf this year
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Frankenstein >
nice
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baweaver >
So if you're there feel free to say hi
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baweaver >
I'll be in a bright red blazer with a wizard hat on, because fun
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Frankenstein >
haha nice. i'd definitely like to attend this year
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baweaver >
You should, tickets are going fast though
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Frankenstein >
oh dear
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Frankenstein >
oh, neat. i love all of the little quirks 2.6 introduces
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baweaver >
This is havenwood. He finds bad things in Ruby and shares them with me
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havenwood >
baweaver: I need to get a RubyConf ticket already! Looking forward...
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baweaver >
Oi, the hotels are selling fast, better hurry on that
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baweaver >
Also we work together, but not on the same team
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Frankenstein >
where do you order tickets?
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baweaver >
top right of rubyconf.org
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Frankenstein >
oh, was looking at ruby-lang.org
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Frankenstein >
thanks, i'll look into that
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baweaver >
We'll both be there
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baweaver >
Come find me for lemur stickers
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baweaver >
speaking of, I should order those
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phaul >
tbh, this statement vs. expression distinction is just yet an other completly confusing part of ruby
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phaul >
we can do x = 'yes' if true but we can't p('yes' if true).
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phaul >
but useful nugget of wisdom, so thanks for the link havenwood
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baweaver >
phaul: :D
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phaul >
hi baweaver
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baweaver >
I'm about to do something very bad
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baweaver >
&>> p(('yes' if true))
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baweaver >
and that's a wrap
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baweaver >
Stupid little trick for some other fun areas too
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baweaver >
&>> [ [1, *(2 if false), 3], { a: 1, **({b: 3} if true) }]
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baweaver >
phaul parens are scary, they let me do bad things to Ruby
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baweaver >
havenwood: join us in doing bad things to Ruby
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phaul >
baweaver: nice
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phaul >
I was only aware of parens causing confusion in method calls like foo (1) vs foo (1, 2). but apparently there is a lot more to it :)
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phaul >
jeremy's docs now explain the wrap btw.
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sarna >
hi! which tutorial/book would you recommend for a person to pick up Ruby quickly? I have some experience with other languages
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Frankenstein >
there are some books in the topic
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sarna >
oh, I missed that in the UI. sorry :)
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sarna >
btw, can I connect a repl to a running ruby program? like you can do with Erlang/Elixir and some Lisps
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Frankenstein >
yeah
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sarna >
I've seen it, but it looks like you have to insert binding.pry in your code?
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sarna >
where you want it to stop
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Frankenstein >
oh, if you just want to launch a ruby repl whenever thats a little trickier
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sarna >
yeah, that'd be nice
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Frankenstein >
no clue how to do that, sorry
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Frankenstein >
maybe launch it in another thread, but i have no idea how well that plays. i don't do much multithreaded work, let alone in ruby
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sarna >
are the books from ~2011 still good for learning? I have no idea how fast Ruby iterates
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Frankenstein >
which one is from 2011
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Frankenstein >
baweave_r (who knows quite a lot about ruby) made changes to that list last year, so if he didn't remove it i would assume it was fine
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sarna >
Eloquent Ruby is from 2011, the pickaxe book is from 2013
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<
Frankenstein >
im sure the core language is still the same
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<
sarna >
nice, thanks :)
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<
Frankenstein >
yeah, glancing over the code in the preview thats still valid 2.6 code
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caen23 >
hi, i've been programming in python for a few years and i'm looking to learn ruby. i was wondering what resources would be adequate. looking at the book list, it seems the recommended ones are "the well grounded rubyist", "eloquent ruby" and "programming ruby". my only concern is that these seem to be quite old (e.g., "eloquent ruby" appeared in 2011). are they still good resources for learning ruby 2.6 in
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caen23 >
2019? thanks!
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Frankenstein >
baweave_r (who knows quite a lot about ruby) made changes to that list last year, so if he didn't remove it i would assume it was fine
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<
doubleohzero >
I can't join #ror for some reason...
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doubleohzero >
What is the difference between `allow(Rails).to receive(:env) { "production".inquiry }` and `allow(Rails).to receive(:env) { OpenStruct.new(:production? => true) }` since the latter does not work?
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_phaul >
it's not spelt #ror though
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ruby[bot] >
Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
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_phaul >
my 2 cents - or pennies. anyways. that's the ror channel name
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doubleohzero >
_phaul: thank you
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phaul: thanks
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