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<Alec>
This is a real longshot but there are 600 of you here and the chat is dead.
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<Alec>
There's this book called "Functional Analysis: Vol 1" - "A gentle introduction" by Dzung Minh Ha - great book but not applicable to probably anyone else here - unfortunately it's long out of print and the versions I can find are hyper-expensive (>£150 damaged book that'll take weeks to get here) - I have reason to believe a PDF of it exists, the publisher's website may be dead and has these weird locked PDFs and I'm Linux, Printer and those A4-k
<Alec>
indles so it wont work.
<Alec>
I've got a copy in storage, so one book in like 45-50 boxes 50cm x 45cm x 50cm boxes all books - they're going to want me dead if I take them up on their "access items" thing,
<Alec>
If anyone can find a PDF of this I owe you massively; so much so it becomes economical for me to kill you before you have an heir who may inherit the debt, or you and your heir.
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<Alec>
I've been after this for months, it should go without saying I'm desperate to be posting here. I've even tried a few "specialist forums"
<Alec>
I'll stop now though
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<mozzarella>
you have access to a locked pdf?
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<Alec>
mozzarella: no but I could get it if it was guaranteed (within reason) I could read it (there are "test PDFs" in the link, according to what it says if I can read those I can read what I buy)
<Alec>
I wish the author hadn't chosen such a shitty and tiny publisher (jackpot on both!) because the book is actually *extremely* good - just no one has bloody heard of it, I found it by dumb luck in the library.
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<Alec>
Also the author is dead so no appealing to him (hence the "vol 1" over 10 years ago)
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<siery>
Hey! Is there somebody still using rake to handle your dependencies? Why are there so strng effort on runing bundler if ruby have such a nice task handler already?
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<dviola>
siery: they kind of do different things, right? bundler is supposed to only manage dependencies and nothing more, rake is more like a general purporse make-like tool
<dviola>
I guess there is nothing stopping someone from writing a Rakefile that will call git clone for all the libs they use
<dviola>
now whether that is a good idea or not, I don't know, bundler also does other things like locking the versions of gems you use, etc
<siery>
dviola: Right, but I see that people prefer using bundler more then rake. I been wandering if there is some reason to this, because bundler is much more complicated in my opinion. I know that bundler can handle pushing gems to the server, right? I am new to ruby, so just wander what wold be better to use for the game I'm writing. Do I need to use bundler to push gems to the rubygems repo?
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<dviola>
siery: maybe because of Rails, since it default to using bundler and creates a Gemfile in your project's directory
<dviola>
siery: bundler and the Gemfile is how you install most gems in Rails, etc
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<siery>
But this is not the only interface (besides browser) to publish your gems to rubygems?
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<siery>
I guess you can just do it with gem.. so that's probably a stupid question.
<dviola>
not sure about that, but I don't think you need bundler for that
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<dviola>
nice question though
<dviola>
siery: stay around and someone else might be able to answer your other questions, I have to go
<siery>
dviola: Thank you. I just ask cause that will mean I can just create a task in rake like :push to automate my commits and still use just one interface for handle all my package related work.
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<plp_>
but i want them only accessible from instances of the class
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<plp_>
and from the class instance itself
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<apeiros>
plp_: you… don't expect us to read a whole thread to understand what kind of solution you might have found in it, do you?
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<plp_>
right. sorry. they pretty much just suggest adding attr_accessor, attr_reader, or attr_writer for the class instance var
<plp_>
but that exposes the class instance vars not just to the instances of the class
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<konsolebox>
plp_: how is an instance var accessed besides "instances of the class"?
<konsolebox>
i'm getting an idea of what you really want, but i'd rather have you clarify it first
<plp_>
class instance vars not instance vars
<konsolebox>
plp_: maybe you need to demonstrate it with a code
<plp_>
not really sure how to word it better
<konsolebox>
bpaste.net
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<konsolebox>
or gist
<plp_>
since the terms can be pretty confusing
<plp_>
sure
<konsolebox>
i agree, hence it needs code
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<apeiros>
plp_: you want to keep the class state private except for instance of that class, as I understand it
<apeiros>
*instances
<apeiros>
and I think there's no clean way to do that. @@class_variables do that, but sadly they're shared beyond class + instances. they're also shared across descendants.
<apeiros>
what you could do is this:
<apeiros>
class Foo; class << self; attr_reader :class_state; private :class_state; end; private def class_state; self.class.send(:class_state); end; end
<apeiros>
now you have a private instance method to access the class state. it uses send to bypass the privacy setting of the class method.
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<ruby[bot]>
plp_: we in #ruby do not like pastebin.com, it loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting. Please use https://gist.github.com
<plp_>
woops
<apeiros>
konsolebox: ^ guess that was @ you
<apeiros>
plp_: anyway, check my suggestion. it only slightly deviates from what you already have.
<plp_>
yeah, it was for konsolebox
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<plp_>
i didn't know you could use private that way
<plp_>
oh wait
<plp_>
misread your code
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<konsolebox>
plp_: i think apeiros's suggestion is the best solution you can have. you can't restrict the class's singleton method for itself, and allow the instance to have special access to it.
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<apeiros>
plp_: that way? you mean `private def foo`? it's only since def returns a symbol instead of nil. sometime around ruby 2.1 I think?
<apeiros>
I prefer it over awkwardness in indenting :)
<plp_>
apeiros: i misread your code haha
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<plp_>
i thought you didn't put "end"s
<apeiros>
ah
<plp_>
didn't notice the line was wrapped
<plp_>
anyway
<apeiros>
I should add a !unroll command or somesuch to ruboto so it creates a gist with ; replaced by newlines and proper indent.
<plp_>
thanks!
<apeiros>
yw
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<plp_>
part
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<KaffeeJunky123>
I have a method that will read user input in a bunch of different units and I've been looking for an easy way to deal with the different units. Basically I just need to be able to call the right input verification function for the unit, is using a hash with unit=>Proc a good solution for this kind of problem?
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<apeiros>
KaffeeJunky123: sounds sane, yes
<apeiros>
alternatively have a Verification base class, let unit based classes inherit from it and then have a unit => class hash.
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: but that would require a good amount of additional lines
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<apeiros>
maybe. depends on the complexity of your verifiers. it might save you some lines if you have a lot of repetition which can be saved through inheritance.
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<apeiros>
anyway, you know the problem domain best, so you'll have to decide what fits your problem better. a unit => proc hash is certainly very versatile anyway. it might make sense to start out that way anyway.
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: It's a simple application that calculates ml amounts for different compounds of an e-liquid for vaping
<apeiros>
aaahaha, ok. nice :)
<KaffeeJunky123>
well, the way it is now you'll have to load it in irb
<apeiros>
print_amounts I'd probably make the arguments kwargs. that way invocations of it are much easier to read and understand what the passed values are about.
<apeiros>
`input = gets.chomp` this can raise in case of ctrl-d (ending input)
<apeiros>
`ml.to_i` this will not prevent invalid input
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: so I should wrap it in a try and handle exceptions
<apeiros>
>> "hello there".to_i
* apeiros
pokes ruby[bot]
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: I'm doing ml.to_i.to_s == ml for verification
<apeiros>
maybe once pure thc vapes are available and legal.
<apeiros>
gist contains a couple of ideas. make use of them as you see fit.
<apeiros>
btw., to get stuff aligned, if you use sublime text, there's a plugin "valign". makes that really simple.
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: pure thc? why would you want to get rid of the other sweet stuff?
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: I use nvim most of the time, trying to migrate to spacemacs thou
<apeiros>
because I only take that stuff for the inebriation
<apeiros>
alcohol's effect is limited and the side-effects at the level I'd need it are unpleasant
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: states that have legalized it should have high quality thc e-liquids
<apeiros>
I'm not US based :)
<apeiros>
and while possession is largely legal here, selling isn't
<KaffeeJunky123>
well, you can always make your own extract based liquid
<apeiros>
I'd have to grow weed myself. I don't see doing that in the near future.
<apeiros>
also we're OT :) (there's #ruby-offtopic for that)
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: I would've suggested taking this conversation to a more private place
<apeiros>
lol @ your real name btw. :) glasnost!
<KaffeeJunky123>
What! I have been uncovered
<KaffeeJunky123>
I really should start to learn more about rubies OOP features
<apeiros>
btw., `Integer(ml, 10) rescue false` is quick and dirty and I absolutely don't recommend on using this pattern
<apeiros>
it can hide severe bugs as it indiscriminately suppresses all exceptions below StandardException
<apeiros>
(talking about the suffix `rescue false` part, just in case)
<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: I'm doing Integer(ml, 10)&.to_s == ml
<KaffeeJunky123>
is that any better
<apeiros>
depends on what you want to allow. will fail e.g. for "00123"
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<apeiros>
ask me again in april next year. I'll tell you the name of a gem then :D
<KaffeeJunky123>
Are you working on a unit realted gem?
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<KaffeeJunky123>
apeiros: I think I have a bug in the calculation somewhere
<apeiros>
KaffeeJunky123: no, on a validation & adaptation gem. it's part of a bigger project, though.
<KaffeeJunky123>
yay I found the bug, now it looks like it's actually working
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<Demos[m]>
totally off topic: does anyone know of a font like fira code but not monospace?
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<apeiros>
Demos[m]: I use deja-vu for coding, I use the monospace variant, but iirc it has non-monospace variants too. no idea whether that's "like fira" (no idea either how a font would qualify as that)
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<Demos[m]>
it has ligatures that make like ==> into a joined arrow
<Demos[m]>
I use Noto Sans UI (or Noto Sans Display on windows, not sure why the name differs)