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<leitz>
Has anyone gotten an "mjit_init_p: undefined symbol" error when compiling 2.6?
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<leitz>
Note sent to ruby core.
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<Naeblis>
Hi. I received a programming assignment with a Ruby-specific test suite, I haven't been able to get the test suite running, as I keep getting what seem to be syntax errors? Details here: https://bpaste.net/show/34408a9f320d
<Naeblis>
Perhaps a versioning issue? Since this test was distributed to people, I'll safely assume it was tested at least once. Maybe something specific on my system is causing this to fail?
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<havenwood>
Naeblis: Change `it` to `context`.
<havenwood>
Naeblis: Show your specs?
<Naeblis>
I did try that, but that resulted in yet another error
<havenwood>
What's the new error?
<Naeblis>
havenwood what is "spec"? Sorry I'm not too familiar with Ruby world
<havenwood>
Naeblis: Just another word for tests.
<havenwood>
But if you call them specs, when they ask "do you have specs for this project" you can say, "Yes."
<Naeblis>
New error: NameError: undefined local variable or method `stop_all_commands' for RSpec:
<Naeblis>
Ah gotcha
<Naeblis>
This is a programming assignment for a job interview, so I'm not sure if I should. :)
<Naeblis>
I've finished the assignment itself, just wanna get their test suite working
<havenwood>
Naeblis: It looks like you're running the tests correctly. I'm not sure why their tests don't run successfully.
<leitz>
Naeblis, thank you for being honest about why you're looking at the code. Some people aren't that honest.
<havenwood>
I've done a lot more testing in Minitest than in RSpec. I'm a tourist in RSpec land.
<Naeblis>
leitz :)
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<Naeblis>
hmm, I'll share some generic code, omitting the things that relate to the problem itself. That would perhaps make things more clear.
<Naeblis>
and other rspec-* things, all with 3.7.x
* Naeblis
misses python :\
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<leitz>
Python is cool. I prefer Ruby but it's more personal preference.
<leitz>
I've tried to go back to Perl twice; both times I became physically nauseaus.
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<Naeblis>
I've done non-trivial things in Go, Java, Ruby, Lua and so on.
<Naeblis>
Keep coming back to Python
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<Naeblis>
it's how my mind thinks now
<leitz>
Go is pretty cool but I'm self-taught and not smart enough for it. C is much the same for me.
<Naeblis>
everyone can learn :)
<leitz>
My Ruby code looks a lot like my Python code though. :)
<Naeblis>
I'm self taught as well
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<leitz>
Ruby is the first language that inspires me to want to come home and code more. Other languages don't inspire me the same.
<leitz>
My theory is that the more I code the better I get. So I code Ruby to generate more code, and hopefully get better.
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<Zarthus>
make it your job and that too will go away
<leitz>
I'm currently working on Sandi Metz' POORD again.
<leitz>
Zarthus, speaking from experience? I don't doubt you.
<Zarthus>
not ruby-specific experience, but experience in general - sure :P
<Zarthus>
though I do (some) ruby at my job.
<leitz>
Well, I work on Linux for a living. Have for a couple decades. Until systemd I didn't really expect to change; I love Linux.
<Zarthus>
Using an operating system is different than writing code. One is a tool to achieve your hobby with, the other is a hobby and a profession :P
<leitz>
Linux is my profession.
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<Zarthus>
how so? Sysadmin?
<leitz>
I get to look at the coders and suggest they learn to code; I'd be out of a job. :)
<leitz>
Yup.
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<Zarthus>
good thing is ruby and being a sysadmin mix relatively well together :P
<Zarthus>
bad thing is your colleagues might disagree.
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<leitz>
Yeah, I caught a lot of gruff from Ruby folks when I asked about 1.8.7. Got tired of it after several months. Ruby and systems don't mix; the community drops support for what pays the bills.
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<apeiros>
it's indeed a bad thing when you have colleagues who are wrong
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<leitz>
Not sure I'm clear on that. Ruby as a community doesn't seem to want to support Ruby on servers, since servers use old versions of Ruby.Work pays the bills.
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<apeiros>
huh?
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<apeiros>
who claims such nonsense? you can easily have the newest ruby on servers.
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<leitz>
I claim it; there's nothing in Ruby (newest) that warrents the effort to install and update bunches of servers.
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<apeiros>
those two claims are vastly different ones.
<elomatreb>
Esp. the very recent versions are very worthwhile for server use because of their performance gains
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<leitz>
If I use the default OS Ruby then the community harasses me for it. Literally; saying over and over "you should upgrade" and ignoring me saying "I can't".
<apeiros>
but yes, if you use EOLd products, you don't get support. that's not unique to the ruby community, though.
<apeiros>
yeah, no, saying "upgrade" is not harassment.
<elomatreb>
And ruby maintenance is very genereous compared to other projects, e.g. 1.8.7 was supported for like 5 years?
<leitz>
True, it's not unique to the Ruby community. Ruby 2.2 is EOL and that's what's on the latest version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
<apeiros>
and that's somehow the ruby community's fault?
<leitz>
It's harassment when I keep saying I can't and they keep telling me to.
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<elomatreb>
Aren't you paying Redhat for backport support? People here are here on their free time
<apeiros>
leitz: I've not seen such a thing. and I'm here like almost all the time.
<apeiros>
and if different people tell you the same thing on different occasions, then that's still not harassment.
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<apeiros>
that's just a community having a similar shared opinion on how to handle that kind of thing.
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<leitz>
Fault? Not really. It's the community's choice. The issue isn't "bad", but I find it difficult (impossible) to talk a large organization into using Ruby on servers.
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<apeiros>
wtf? how is it the communities choice that RHEL chooses an EOL ruby?
<havenwood>
Around here it seems the large organizations are all already using Ruby. I guess that varies regionally.
<apeiros>
*community's
<leitz>
apeiros, I'ld have to go look in my logs. It did happen here. Enough to push me away from Ruby for a while.
<apeiros>
go blame RH if they can't be arsed to use a halfway recent ruby.
<leitz>
havenwood, I can't disagree with you, but my *guess* is that unless the organization uses a Ruby based application (Rails, Puppet, Chef), they are less inclined to install Ruby on hudreds or thousands of servers.
<apeiros>
on top of that, even if they don't include a sane version, toolset is around to easily install one.
<apeiros>
whether it's hundreds or thousands doesn't really matter. at that point you either automated, or you failed.
<leitz>
apeiros, yes, it can be installed. I have 2.6 on my CentOS 6 box. However, I haven't seen a benefit to the effort at scale.
<elomatreb>
Arguably the problem here isn't ruby, but the promises that OSes make about stability that really don't hold true
<apeiros>
and from what stuff I've seen on larger server installations, automating ruby install would be one of the less complex issues.
<elomatreb>
Because even if you backport ruby fixes, the library you may depend on probably won't receive this treatment
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<leitz>
elomatreb, agreed. 1.8.7 is the default on RHEL 6. There are several gems as well.
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<leitz>
For me the biggest issue wasn't the lack of Ruby code fixes but trying to wade through "you should upgrade" and seldom getting answers to Ruby questions.
<apeiros>
yeah, sorry, but I find that more than understandable.
<leitz>
Far as I can tell the Ruby Core folks are working on 3x3 and that seems like a huge challenge.
<apeiros>
nobody wants to waste time with potentially solved problems. especially not on their free time.
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<leitz>
Understood. The questions I had weren't about Ruby code itself but about what I was doing wrong *with* it. If that makes sense.
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<leitz>
My Ruby skill is still pretty limited, and I was staying with the standard library. I wasn't able to produce enough of a killer app to make it worth the effort to upgrade.
<leitz>
Even showing 6 short lines of Ruby code that replaced two 1000+ character regex's wasn't enough.
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