#ruby on 2018-06-23 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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06:49 <coderfrank> Hi! Im womdering if someone from ruby-lang.org has noticed that the url certificate doesnt work? It works fine for https://www.ruby-lang.org.

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07:53 <zenspider> coderfrank: assume not and file a ticket at bugs.ruby-lang.org please

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09:17 <waheedi> question, if I'm inside a for i in limit

09:17 <waheedi> would changing i value or limit value affect the current loop?

09:18 <waheedi> like i want to change where is the index currently at

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09:22 <apeiros> waheedi: why don't you just try that in irb (or pry)?

09:22 <waheedi> I'm doing it :)

09:22 <waheedi> thanks for the advice

09:22 <waheedi> :)

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12:54 <FernandoBasso> I have a file 'dev.rb' with some methods defined like def obj.foo. I do irb --simple-prompt, then load 'dev.rb' and when I try to do p obj.foo, I get 'undefined variable or method obj'.

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12:55 <FernandoBasso> What the poop?

12:55 <apeiros> local variables can't be accessed across files.

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12:57 <FernandoBasso> Right. I thought by loading them into irb, they would 'be local inside irb', or something in that vein.

12:57 <apeiros> no. neither load nor require do that.

12:57 <apeiros> you'd have to eval it in the current binding. but I'd use a different approach.

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12:58 <FernandoBasso> Which approach, then?

12:58 <apeiros> depends on what you're doing. most likely I'd not use local variables.

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12:58 <FernandoBasso> apeiros, Just following some book examples.

12:58 <FernandoBasso> Not any real project.

12:59 <apeiros> alternatively: binding.pry as the last line of the file and run the file via `ruby yourfile` (don't forget the `require 'pry'` part)

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13:01 <FernandoBasso> Are you talking about pry irb alternative?

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13:02 <apeiros> yes

13:02 <FernandoBasso> Looks nice indeed. Thanks.

13:03 <s3krit> pry is one of the most useful tools you'll find for debugging and working in ruby

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13:09 <FernandoBasso> :)

13:10 <FernandoBasso> Any chance it would one day replace irb as the default?

13:10 <FernandoBasso> (default installed with ruby, I mean)

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13:21 <FernandoBasso> ri require and ri require_relative and require source return nothing here.

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13:21 <apeiros> FernandoBasso: sounds like you have not installed the docs then.

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13:22 <FernandoBasso> I did 'rvm docs generate' when I installed ruby'

13:23 <apeiros> for the same ruby you're using now?

13:23 <FernandoBasso> Yep. I have only 2.4.1 installed

13:23 <apeiros> then something is off. what does `which ri` print?

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13:24 <FernandoBasso> Running that command again. Let's see.

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13:24 <FernandoBasso> /home/fernando/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.1/bin/ri

13:24 <apeiros> and `ri require` says nothing found?

13:25 <apeiros> hm, something's off then. I'd rerun the docs generate command.

13:25 <apeiros> not sure what it could be.

13:25 <FernandoBasso> I said that. But I ran 'rvm docs generate' again and it is shows some entries now.

13:25 <apeiros> (it is "Kernel#require", but plain "ri require" should print info on that too)

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13:30 <FernandoBasso> This channel has been proving much more useful than books.

13:30 <FernandoBasso> :D

13:30 <FernandoBasso> Thank, apeiros.

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13:31 <FernandoBasso> (but I can't spell, so, probably I can't read books either)

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14:24 <FernandoBasso> In irb, false.instance<tab><tab> shows instance_methods, and when I do false.instance_methods, I then get NoMethodError.

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14:30 <apeiros> FernandoBasso: is there a question?

14:31 <FernandoBasso> I don't understand why tab says such completion exists, but then the NoMethodError.

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14:32 <apeiros> I doubt irb queries the expression for callable methods, given that it might be arbitrarily complex. so you get suggestions which don't match.

14:32 <apeiros> consider `really_expensive_method_call.foo<tab>`

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14:33 <jeydurai> ERROR: While executing gem ... (Errno::EACCES) Permission denied @ rb_sysopen - C:/Ruby25-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.5.0/gems/mongo-2.5.3/spec/support/certificates/ca.pem

14:33 <jeydurai> What is this error?

14:33 <jeydurai> This came out when I tried to install module using gem command

14:34 <FernandoBasso> apeiros, All right. Thanks.

14:35 <jeydurai> Can you someone help me?

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14:44 <havenwood> jeydurai: Have you looked at that files permissions?

14:44 <jeydurai> I got the admin rights

14:45 <jeydurai> I in fact opened the command app using "run as administrator" option

14:45 <jeydurai> I still get the same error

14:45 <jeydurai> I never ever came upon such problem

14:46 <jeydurai> It isn't for one module. If I try to install anything, this only happens

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14:46 <jeydurai> But, I have been able to install modules in Python

14:48 <havenwood> jeydurai: File.readable? filename

14:50 <havenwood> jeydurai: stats = File.stat filename; {owner: Etc.getpwuid(stats.uid).name, mode: stats.mode.to_s(8)}

14:50 <jeydurai> irb(main):002:0> File.readable? "C:/Ruby25-x64/lib/ruby/gems/2.5.0/gems/mongo-2.5.3/spec/support/certificates/ca.pem" => false

14:51 <havenwood> jeydurai: I suspected.

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14:52 <havenwood> jeydurai: "ca.pem" isn't readable, so trying to read it causes a permission error.

14:52 <jeydurai> This isn't happening to Ruby and the same is the case in Perl as well. But, in Python it just works

14:52 <jeydurai> Windows, I have never faced this problem

14:53 <jeydurai> How do I install modules then

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14:57 <havenwood> jeydurai: Are you the same user you installed that gem with? The gem's file mode is correct, so you've somehow managed to make it so you can't read a world-readable file. Maybe the parent directory's ACL was messed with? I'd try WSL if I found myself in Windows land. It seems they have it working better these days.

14:58 <havenwood> jeydurai: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10

15:00 <havenwood> jeydurai: You didn't show the result of the owner and mode. Look at those.

15:00 <havenwood> jeydurai: File.stat filename

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15:01 <jeydurai> irb(main):006:0> File.stat "C:\Ruby25-x64\lib\ruby\gems\2.5.0\gems\mongo-2.5.3\spec\support\certificates\ca.pem" Traceback (most recent call last): 3: from C:/Ruby25-x64/bin/irb.cmd:19:in `<main>' 2: from (irb):6 1: from (irb):6:in `stat' ubygems.5.0gemsmongo-2.5.3 pec upportrtificates.pem)by25-x64lib

15:04 <havenwood> jeydurai: Anyhoo, do you know how to change file ownership and permissions in Windows? Make it so you that directory is readable to you.

15:04 <jeydurai> No no

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15:05 <jeydurai> I have been able to install ruby. why not the gems

15:05 <jeydurai> Can you help me out?

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15:06 <jeydurai> If I am not mistaken, I am wondering why I am not able to install gems while I had been able to install ruby itself?

15:06 <havenwood> jeydurai: You understand it's a permissions issue being unable to read a file?

15:07 <jeydurai> So, how do I give permissions?

15:07 <havenwood> jeydurai: You're on an OS I don't use. If you switch to one I use, I'd be happy to help. ;-P

15:07 <havenwood> jeydurai: That's something worth figuring out for the OS you use.

15:07 <jeydurai> This is the laptop my organisation gave

15:08 <havenwood> jeydurai: Did you read the WSL link I posed above?

15:08 <havenwood> jeydurai: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10

15:08 <jeydurai> Yeah yeah, it gives instructions on how I can use Linux inside windows

15:08 <jeydurai> I am not allowed to do such things in my office

15:08 <havenwood> jeydurai: It's a native Linux kernel, available for Windows.

15:09 <havenwood> jeydurai: They allow you to install Ruby but not use Linux? Hah. I guess you should learn PowerShell?

15:10 <jeydurai> I had been using Ruby all the time in last 6 years without any problem. I switched my employer. Here, there are a lot of restrictions

15:10 <havenwood> jeydurai: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/johan/2008/10/01/powershell-editing-permissions-on-a-file-or-folder/

15:10 <havenwood> jeydurai: They've probably borked your permissions.

15:11 <havenwood> jeydurai: If they change the ACL, and make it so you can't read things, you'll get this sort of error. Maybe get yourself a laptop? Ask IT to allow you to use WSL? Learn PowerShell? I dunno!

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15:12 <havenwood> jeydurai: I've not encountered gem files that randomly become unreadable, but I don't use Windows locked down by despots.

15:12 <jeydurai> I will do that. Now atleast I know where the problem is. Thank you so much. Can I have your contact (email) so that I can get in touch one to one?

15:12 <havenwood> jeydurai: Glad that gives you something to go off of. You can find me here.

15:12 * havenwood brews coffee

15:12 <jeydurai> Oh! that's good too

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17:45 <unknown2> anyone knows what is nil?

17:46 <Zarthus> Do you have programming experience, unknown2?

17:46 <unknown2> in python

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17:46 <Zarthus> it's comparable to None

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17:46 <unknown2> I'm new at ruby

17:46 <unknown2> ahhhh

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17:55 <usuario> hallo

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17:58 <gizmore> usuario: holas

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18:07 <gizmore> havenwood: my framework will be based on rack in terms of request / response. means that even cli and chat bindings will use http response codes and somehow cookies will work

18:07 <gizmore> i bet this is a bad idea

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18:10 <Mike11> gizmore: are you working on a ruby web framework?

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18:10 <gizmore> Mike11: a ruby application framework. it shall cover httpd,chat,cli,exe,websocket,and more?

18:11 <gizmore> you write one method for all bindings

18:11 <gizmore> a method has params

18:11 <gizmore> and returns a response

18:11 <gizmore> all vartypes extend GDT (own datatype)

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18:11 <Mike11> oh, interesting, is that even possible?!

18:11 <gizmore> we will see

18:12 <gizmore> yes. but how nice will it be

18:12 <Mike11> do you have some work on progress / design paper?

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18:12 <Mike11> work in* progress

18:12 * elomatreb has visions of CORBA/SOAP

18:12 <gizmore> https://github.com/gizmore/gdo6 (PHP) https://github.com/gizmore/gdo (Ruby)

18:12 <gizmore> the PHP has websocket and http more or less working nicely

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18:13 <Mike11> gizmore: I'll take a look, good luck :)

18:13 <gizmore> the Ruby is 2-4 weeks old

18:13 <gizmore> but Ruby is test driven!

18:13 <gizmore> the PHP is hax

18:13 <gizmore> i still say my gdo6(PHP) is better than laravel in some terms

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18:15 <Mike11> I am taking a look the PHP first, I assume it is more complete

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20:08 <gizmore> >> class ::Object; def to_s;to_s;end;end

20:08 <ruby[bot]> gizmore: # => :to_s (https://eval.in/1027145)

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20:38 <apeiros> gizmore: nice infinite recursion you wrote there

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20:39 <gizmore> apeiros: i expected to cause some exception

20:39 <gizmore> apeiros: thx for all your support here over the years

20:40 <gizmore> apeiros: you are just 2 points away from havenwood

20:40 <apeiros> lol, you've got a scoring system? :D

20:41 <gizmore> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBbRSq4W_1o

20:41 <Zarthus> that song starts off really loud

20:41 <Zarthus> my eardrums have been sufficiently destroyed.

20:41 <apeiros> reminds me that one of my laptop speakers is still blown out

20:42 <gizmore> apeiros: of course i value friendships by probable outcome. (see GDO::Base)

20:42 <gizmore> this is not ruby-talk

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20:43 <gizmore> als deutscher darfst du nicht stolz auf dein land sein

20:44 <apeiros> o0

20:44 <gizmore> als deutscher darfst du nicht stolz auf dein land sein

20:44 <gizmore> darfste nicht

20:44 <apeiros> I saw it the first time

20:46 <gizmore> >>"a"

20:46 <ruby[bot]> gizmore: # => "a" (https://eval.in/1027149)

20:47 <gizmore> >>class Object; def to_s; "a"; end; end;

20:47 <ruby[bot]> gizmore: # => :to_s (https://eval.in/1027150)

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20:48 <Zarthus> $ gem install pry; pry

20:48 <gizmore> >>['a'].select{|b}

20:48 <ruby[bot]> gizmore: # => /tmp/execpad-558ccea606e7/source-558ccea606e7:2: syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting '|' (https://eval.in/1027151)

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20:51 <gizmore> >>['a'].select{|b| b}

20:51 <ruby[bot]> gizmore: # => ["a"] (https://eval.in/1027153)

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20:53 <gizmore> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7F4WSo0B6M

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