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<sparc>
oops ok
<havenwood>
sparc: How about from your shell?: /bin/false; echo $?
<sparc>
That says 1
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<sparc>
$ /bin/false; echo $?
<sparc>
1
<havenwood>
oh, i just got 127 because i didn't have a /bin/false >.>
<havenwood>
and 1 since i did
<havenwood>
(false as shell builtin in zsh)
<sparc>
interesting
<havenwood>
command -V false
<havenwood>
#>> false is a shell builtin
<sparc>
maybe I can work around it
<havenwood>
actually, it's a shell builtin in bash too
<havenwood>
it just may also be in /bin/false
<havenwood>
in addition
<sparc>
yups
<havenwood>
or not
<sparc>
I have both, i'm just specifying the full path to /bin/false, because I don't know if %x is going to send the command through a shell
<sparc>
thanks for the info!
<sparc>
it's good to know other platforms are working well
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<b100s>
hi2all; is there reason to use return? e.g. `def foo return 'foo' end;` or `def foo 'foo' end`.
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<havenwood>
b100s: If you're not returning early, nope.
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<Furai>
Hey, is there a way to tell bundler to install all the stuff locally? the same as "bundle install --path vendor/ruby"? Maybe add it somehow to the Gemfile? I did some quick googling but couldn't find definitive answer. Forgive me if, but I don't understand much of it yet
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<dminuoso>
Furai: You can specify --path I believe
<dminuoso>
Furai: Im not sure what you are asking, since that's precisely what you already mentioned.
<Furai>
Can I specify that path in Gemfile?
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<Furai>
So I can just do `bundle install`?
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<apeiros>
Furai: depending on what you want to do, check `bundle help package`
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<apeiros>
"Copy all of the .gem files needed to run the application into the vendor/cache directory."
<dminuoso>
Furai: whats wrong with --path as a CLI flag?
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<Furai>
I'm new here, I thought that process like that makes sense: you checkout repo, do `bundle install` and you're done. No need for any extra parameters. By default it seems it wants to install the gems globally, at least on linux. I thought it could be avoided by specifying where to install policy per project, somewhere in Gemfile or something.
<Furai>
I might be just thinking of this whole thing backwards.
<apeiros>
Furai: oh, by locally you mean "for the current user"?
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<apeiros>
that will depend on how you installed ruby. if you installed ruby to have gems for all users, then bundler will do that too iirc. I haven't had a non-user ruby in a long time so I'm not entirely sure.
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<havenwood>
Furai: I don't like that this is the case, but Bundler's --path is a "remembered" flag. Once set, it'll persist in your .bundle/config as the BUNDLE_PATH.
<havenwood>
Furai: Bundler will install to $GEM_HOME if you don't pick a path, so you can just set that where you'd like.
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<Furai>
Ok, thanks. Maybe I shouldn't have installed ruby + bundler system-wide.
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<Furai>
Anyway, thanks a lot for help and clearing out the confusion on my end.
<apeiros>
as dminuoso & havenwood said, you can tell bundler to install gems not system-wide.
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<havenwood>
Furai: It's normal in dev to install gems from multiple projects to GEM_HOME, then use prefixing `bundle exec` or setting RUBYGEMS_GEMDEPS=- to use just the gems specified in the Gemfile.lock for a particular project.
<havenwood>
Furai: You don't have to have them in different locations to ensure you get exactly the right versions for the project.
<havenwood>
Furai: It's true you checkout a project and just run `bundle install` or just plain `bundle` is the same.
<havenwood>
Furai: Then to make sure you're using exactly and only the gems from the Gemfile.lock, prefix commands with: bundle exec
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<dminuoso>
Furai: Think about responsibilities. It may make more sense to defer this to the user.
<dminuoso>
Furai: That is, if the user wants to install them locally thats their decision. Dont pin a specific installation path to your project.
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<arne>
when asking nokogiri for a value of an attribute
<arne>
i get an escaped version of that attribute
<arne>
why doesn't it unescape it?
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<arne>
i mean if i write a xml doc with nokogiri i would like to get the same value out that i put in, don't i?
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<havenwood>
the lazily calculated size seems right on all of em
<headius>
that seems like it should be fixed to use size
<headius>
like if there's a size defined, why would count return anything else
<Zarthus>
regarding 32 bit vs 64 bit integers, i bet they use a signed int in c code
<Zarthus>
or is it short
<havenwood>
headius: maybe to sanity check your size? that's the only reason I can think of. otherwise it totally makes sense to just optimize it to the know size
<havenwood>
known*
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<havenwood>
I will report back if Rubinius ever finishes.
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<headius>
I mean if it's intended as a verb it makes sense to iterate, right?
<headius>
if it's a noun it should just be .size
<eelster>
Zarthus: the size of `int` in C isn't standard. You can find out how big it is on your system by compiling and then running this program https://hastebin.com/fahapazohu.c
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<eelster>
Or you should probably use "%lu" instead of "%d" in the specifier, but it doesn't really matter as the number isn't going to be that large, but that's bad practice on my part.
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<headius>
havenwood: I'm unclear why it overflows though
<headius>
I think in our case it's a bug
<headius>
we are *always* 64-bit integers internally...not 32, not 31, not 62
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<headius>
yeah ok
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<headius>
our count aggregates with an int...now should I change it and have some weirdo report it as a bug?
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<Zarthus>
personally i'm just really wondering how you ran into this issue
<havenwood>
hahahaha
<havenwood>
Zarthus: I was iterating over my worries.
<havenwood>
Zarthus: It got out of hand.
<headius>
hah
<headius>
self.worries.count
<havenwood>
^
<Zarthus>
-2.x million worries isn't that bad
<headius>
if you use rubinius at least you'll never know how many there are
<headius>
ba dum dum
<Zarthus>
haha.
<havenwood>
Rubinius is using over 3GB of RAM. I might call it...
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<Zarthus>
you think it's actually cloning the array for each step?
<headius>
I holy
<headius>
I mean
<headius>
holy
<Zarthus>
that means it's going to go up in a spiral
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<headius>
maybe they're aggregating all the values into an array to be summed later
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<michaelmeep__>
Why does it require rails?
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<apeiros>
how do you figure it would?
<michaelmeep__>
N/m, was looking at the wrong gem
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<Eiam>
it doesn't, libmagic is uh, a well known thing
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<Eiam>
that has nothing to do with ruby or rails
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<michaelmeep__>
I initially gem install filemagic (which oddly requires rails) instead of gem install ruby-filemagic
<Eiam>
`file` is a macOS thing
<michaelmeep__>
Initially ran*
<Eiam>
but it does look to use magic tests so
<apeiros>
Eiam: huh? since when?
<Eiam>
apeiros: browsin the man page, it looks like an apple addition ?
<apeiros>
Eiam: well, it runs just fine on my linux boxen
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<Eiam>
nah I was wrong
<Eiam>
HISTORY
<Eiam>
There has been a file command in every UNIX since at least Research Version 4 (man page dated November, 1973). The System V version introduced one significant major change: the external list of magic types. This slowed the program down slightly but made it a
<Eiam>
lot more flexible.
<apeiros>
`open` is an apple thing, though afaik there are *nix variants by now
<Eiam>
HISTORY
<Eiam>
First appeared in NextStep.
<apeiros>
tbqh, I still think abandoning the metadata part of files was a stupid move by apple
<apeiros>
that's one thing they did *a shitload* better than all other OSes
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<Eiam>
wasn't it just resource forks
<Eiam>
metadata under another name?
<Eiam>
and now its xattrs instead
<apeiros>
yeah, and files are just bytes
<Eiam>
kappa
<apeiros>
your "just" is asinine :-p
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<apeiros>
but yes, resource forks was the way the used to store metadata. and xattrs is not the same. that's bound to the FS, not the file. it's not transported.
<Eiam>
all data is just bytes under another name!! jet fuel can't melt steel beams!
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<Eiam>
apeiros: xattrs are transported to many modern places.. box & dropbox support them
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<Eiam>
i did an analysis a year ago cause I had to and most places I looked had default support for xattrs or were heading in that direction..
<apeiros>
so if you have special tooling maybe. that's great, so 0.001% of all ways to transmit files support it. awesome :-p
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<headius>
yay file
<apeiros>
but yeah, great, so only ~20y after having dropped metadata, we finally get a part of it back
<Eiam>
cp, ditto... =p
<headius>
magic numbers that aren't so magic
<Eiam>
headius: I like to think of magic numbers as being magical to people when they first discover their existence
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<headius>
0xCAFEBABE
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<headius>
name that magic number
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<Eiam>
more of a deadbeef kind of guy myself
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