#ruby on 2016-10-22 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2016-09-27 09:16 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules & more: https://ruby-community.com || Ruby 2.3.1; 2.2.5; 2.1.10: https://www.ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on https://gist.github.com || Rails questions? Ask on #RubyOnRails || logs @ https://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby/

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00:00 <atmosx> dar123: ... I was about to paste teh same page: http://sequel.jeremyevans.net/

00:00 <atmosx> sequel is really, really good and very well documented

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00:03 <dar123> atmosx: thanks, i will check that out

00:03 <lupine> sequel is pretty good

00:03 <lupine> overkill for really simple stuff though

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00:05 <apeiros> -.-

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00:10 <SeepingN> really REALLY simple stuff maybe

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00:11 <SeepingN> even sqlite can make things much easier without all the complicated database setup

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00:57 <lupine> well, if I was just inserting records, for instance, I might just shell out to psql

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01:07 <porfa> hello guys.. can anyone gelp me out on regex? blabla = “285/30 ZR19 (94Y)“

01:07 <porfa> how do i remove everything but whats inside the ( )’s ? i want to keep 94y

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01:15 <vktec> porfa: What language?

01:15 <vktec> Oh,w ait

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01:15 <vktec> I thought this was #regex :P

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01:16 <vktec> porfa: You have two ways of doing this. You can either delete everything that's not in parens or match everything that is

01:16 <vktec> I recommend the latter

01:16 <lupine> /$(.*)$/ ?

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01:17 <vktec> porfa: /$.*$/.match(blabla)[0]

01:17 <vktec> No, wait

01:17 <vktec> lupine is right

01:18 <vktec> porfa: /$(.*)$/.match(blabla)[1]

01:18 <lupine> /$(.*)$/.match("285/30 ZR19 (94Y)")[1] => "94Y"

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01:18 <lupine> woo, I can regex in my head

01:18 <vktec> :)

01:18 <porfa> thank you guys

01:18 <vktec> np

01:19 <porfa> i made another way

01:19 <vktec> Okay

01:19 <vktec> porfa: For more complex regex things, #regex might be a better place to get help. Just for future reference :)

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01:21 <porfa> i actually tried to make a funny, but i failed… when you said “: I thought this was #regex “ i wrote down /part brb, regex.

01:21 <porfa> i forgot to put in #ruby

01:22 <porfa> i need a rest :(

01:22 <porfa> thank you guys, seriously

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01:28 <vktec> np :)

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03:49 <tanishafied> Hi

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03:50 <tanishafied> is there a repl in ruby ?

03:52 <elomatreb> tanishafied: Ruby ships with a REPL called "irb", but there are better ones. "Pry" is an example

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11:22 <cariveri> Hi . What does "... do |name1, name2|" mean? where does the value of those variables come from?

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11:25 <hanmac> cariveri: block parameters ... they are coming from inside the function you leave out with "..."

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14:50 <porfa> hello guys

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14:52 <porfa> how can i check the lenght of an item inside an array? for ie ["385", "65", "R22", "5", "158K", "runderneuert", "Karkassqualit", "t", "NV"] i want to check the lenght of the fourth element, so i can perform something else acoordingly to the result

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14:54 <ciawal> do you know how to check the length of a string?

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14:56 <porfa> ciawal yeah i just put .lenght in front of it..

14:56 <ciawal> after it

14:56 <ciawal> do you know how to get the fourth element from the array?

14:57 <porfa> yeahs bllblaba[3]

14:57 <porfa> wow, thank you so much :|

14:57 <porfa> haha

14:58 <porfa> i get it now, thank you… sometimes i gotta slow down a break it down better

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15:13 <hanmac> porfa: before you do array[3] you might check if the array does have four or more elements (depending on your input)

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15:54 <bovis> In what cases do you prefer to use modules as mixins? In what cases do you want them as just namespaces for constants or methods?

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15:56 <bovis> I keep running into the problem where something like instantiation.send(method_name) is cluttered because I mix in like three modules to a class.

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16:08 <Papierkorb> bovis: What does #send have to do with mixins?

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16:09 <Papierkorb> bovis: Mixins are really useful if you want to further describe an object rather than defining what it is - if that makes sense.

16:10 <Papierkorb> bovis: So, multiple includes are in themself not bad

16:11 <bovis> Say I have a User class that has print, add, and delete methods. If I instantiate a User class and allow the user to chooses "print" as the action they want. instantiation.send(string). The string then has open access to any method that matches the string.

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16:12 <bovis> The mixins then muddy the waters, because the user could choose a method name that isn't print, add, or delete.

16:13 <bovis> To me, it screams, Make Smaller Classes. Or just dump the mixins if possible.

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16:15 <Papierkorb> bovis: making smaller classes is still a good idea. However, mixins isn't your issue

16:15 <hanmac> allowing the user to input method names is always some bad idea ... (if you want security)

16:15 <bovis> In the above case, "print" is fine, because it's what I want the user to do. But I have a color mixin, for instance, and the user calling "color" wouldn't be destructive necessarily, it just wouldn't do any good.

16:15 <Papierkorb> bovis: your issue is that you don't whitelist the allowed methods to call

16:16 <bovis> Right now, I just check user input against an array of allowed phrases ("print", "delete" etc.)

16:16 <bovis> It seems overkill or just bad design

16:17 <Papierkorb> bovis: Whitelists are neither overkill nor bad design

16:17 <Papierkorb> bovis: That's what you usually do when you, for whatever reason, want to let the user choose a method to call

16:18 <bovis> So I'm doing the right thing with the array? Somehow, I figured it would be better to continue working with .send and just shortlist the Class in question, maybe bringing in mixin utilities to the User class by just calling the outside methods explicitly.

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16:20 <bovis> *outside module explicitly

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16:20 <Papierkorb> bovis: In this case, always whitelist

16:20 <bovis> ok

16:21 <Papierkorb> bovis: Keeping classes reasonably sized is always a good idea too. Third, use #public_send over #send

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16:21 <Papierkorb> bovis: Use #public_send over #send whenever possible generally

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16:24 <bovis> I wasn't aware of #public_send. In what cases would you use #send? Other than just: when I need a private method... When would you want a private method?

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16:26 <elomatreb> The main benefit of #send is bypassing access controls. You generally avoid that, although it's sometimes done in tests (Another example is instance_variable_get/set)

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16:29 <bovis> ok

16:29 <porfa> “ n�” instead of “nã” < do theese look the same to you? my irb displays the first instead of the second, how do fix this?

16:30 <bovis> different to me, an unrecognized character after "n" in the first example

16:30 <porfa> but it’s just ã

16:30 <elomatreb> Welcome to the magical world of encoding problems

16:31 <porfa> nokogiri is giving me that instead of ã and i don’t understand why

16:31 <porfa> hahaha

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16:32 <apeiros> � means that there's an illegal sequence

16:32 <apeiros> and that in turn means that you (most likely) told ruby/nokogiri that your string was utf-8, while it really wasn't.

16:33 <apeiros> and "told" can be implicitly, by relying on defaults.

16:33 <elomatreb> (Or it assumed it was UTF-8, which is generally a good thing)

16:33 <apeiros> na, I prefer "you told". programmers have to be aware of defaults.

16:33 <porfa> i did

16:34 <porfa> Nokogiri::HTML(open(url_pneucity).read, nil, 'utf-8') if i didn’t have that, some urls with special characters did no open at all

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16:38 <apeiros> porfa: websites tell you in two ways which encoding they're using. the http headers and the meta tags

16:39 <apeiros> (not that they're necessarily telling the truth, though)

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17:09 <bovis> Is either `ls` or %x{ls} preferred to run a unix command? Example here ls.

17:10 <elomatreb> I generally avoid the % literals (except for string arrays) unless they are useful to avoid having to backslash-escape

17:12 <bovis> elomatreb: What are the downsides of the literals?

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17:13 <elomatreb> bovis: None, they are just very ruby-specific and can be confusing for programmers from other languages. You have to remember what "x" does as opposed to other modes

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17:14 <elomatreb> backticks being "execute command, return standard output" is very common in many scripting languages

17:14 <bovis> good reasoning

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17:17 <konsolebox> bovis: there's difference when it comes to having multiple lines: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9998518/ruby-backticks-break-command-into-multiple-lines

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17:21 <bovis> konsolebox: looks like either method has the ability to take multiple carraige returns

17:22 <konsolebox> bovis: yes i noticed it

17:23 <konsolebox> bovis: but i'm not sure why the other answer had to say that it needs \. maybe ruby's behavior has changed

17:23 <bovis> konsolebox: yes, the answers look contradictory...

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17:24 <bovis> konsolebox: irb seems to accept \, but not without

17:25 <bovis> ^^ using ` `

17:26 <bovis> with %x, the multiple lines don't give irb trouble when omitting the \

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17:32 <konsolebox> in shell, when writing command-substitution commands, i use $(), and i'm not a fan of the deprecated backticks, so i prefer %x(), which aligns with it

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17:37 <bovis> konsolebox: why are the backticks deprecated if, like elomatreb said, they are common in other languages?

17:38 <elomatreb> bovis: I think konsolebox meant deprecated in shell syntax, right?

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17:44 <konsolebox> yes, i meant the shell syntax.

17:45 <bovis> oh ok

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19:05 <cevett> pardon my being green, im running into an issue with rake where it can't find a gem when it kicks off rake rspec, but when i run rspec outside of rake it sees it just fine

19:05 <cevett> so rake fails because it can't 'require' a certain gem

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19:05 <cevett> the require statement is in my spec_helper.rb

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19:07 <cevett> https://gist.github.com/chrisevett/ff3e8ecbcfa0f3f8145ec8f7ccdaeda2

19:07 <cevett> thats the spec_helper.rb

19:07 <cevett> here's the Rakefile

19:07 <cevett> https://gist.github.com/chrisevett/e62e2cd5042ce1e8451d55d1698584fa

19:08 <cevett> and the error

19:08 <cevett> https://gist.github.com/chrisevett/82dedcb80e39d513d6f998bfe8e68fc4

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20:14 <cevett> ^ if i invoke rspec using the cli in the rake tasks the tests execute fine. I'm going to settle for that solution for now

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20:30 <Batholith> If you have an array of strings, how do you make it so that it's just one big string? So in other words, concatenating them all.

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20:30 <Batholith> Join, found it!

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22:07 <dtscode> if anyone would mind taking a look at this, I would really appreciate it. thank you! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40197417/irb-fails-to-run-ruby-gem-function-while-ruby-is-successful?noredirect=1#comment67660742_40197417

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