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<agent_white>
\o
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<ruby-lang947>
Hi there! I want to use get the current date, including hour. In IRB I use Time.now and get the desired format (i.e. 2016-08-19 09:00:25 +0300), but when running that method in a Sinatra script only returns the "2016-08-19". How might I be able to get the full date? || also, what is the best time function in Ruby for storage?
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<dminuoso>
ruby-lang947: What you see is just an inspect representation.
<dminuoso>
ruby-lang947: Time.now will give you the exact time regardless.
<ruby-lang947>
but I send the value returned by Time.now to my Sqlite database, and the hour part doesn't show there as well.
<ruby-lang947>
it's stored in "Y-M-D" format.
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<dminuoso>
How do you "send the value" to your sqlite database?
<ruby[bot]>
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<ruby-lang947>
no, I use Sinatra.
<dminuoso>
ruby-lang947: It's an ActiveRecord question, it's best asked there.
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<dminuoso>
Regardless of whether you actually use rails or not.
<ruby-lang947>
I see, but for the record
<ruby-lang947>
what might cause this issue?
<dminuoso>
Just don't mention the "sinatra" part and make it look like a AR question. :)
<ruby-lang947>
haha
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<ICantCook>
ruby-lang947: Time.now.iso8601
<ruby-lang947>
NoMethodError: undefined method `iso8601' for 2016-08-19 09:20:01 +0300:Time from (irb):1 from /usr/bin/irb:11:in `<main>'
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<ICantCook>
wow
<ICantCook>
what is: Time.now.class ?
<mihael_k33hl>
I'm a bit new to ruby and its documentation, and I was looking into File Modes, and it says that in File::EXCL, it creates an error/exception but it doesn't explicitly say what error it would create so I could 'rescue' or catch it.
<mihael_k33hl>
File Constants*
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<ICantCook>
ah, @ruby-lang947: you need to:
<ICantCook>
require 'time'
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<ruby-lang947>
I see. I'll try that.
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<mihael_k33hl>
Is there any documentation stating what exception errors methods are throwing?
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<mihael_k33hl>
Like when calling the File.open(filename, ::File::CREAT | ::File::EXCL) {} What error or exception does ::File::EXCL throw? I can't seem to find any documentation of it. I can try running it but it's a bit frustrating doing that step on every step of the way.
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<eam>
mihael_k33hl: most of them mirror the underlying unix api
<eam>
ruby docs are kinda bleh, you could try reading the source
<mihael_k33hl>
eam: what do you mean by source?
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<romen>
Hi! I'm trying to extend Ruby with a wrapper to a C crypto library. I need to handle BIGNUMs to mantain their multiprecision nature, but all the docs I find seem to hint that every NUM2*() func will just try to map to the larger C fixed variable type. Is there another way to access the underlying binary words? (How about the underlying 62 bit per-word and FIXNUM-flags?)
<dminuoso>
romen: Are you trying to access the interal objects data from C or Rubyland?
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<romen>
dminuoso: I need to read and modify the rubyland BIGNUM from C (so that I can pass it to the C function of the library I'm wrapping)
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<dminuoso>
romen: Alright, so what exactly is your question?
<romen>
(the library expect the mp integer as an array of 64-bits words)
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<dminuoso>
romen: Are you wondering about how to access the internal data, or the format?
<romen>
dminuoso: I'm trying to find a way to access the binary words; the docs only speak of the NUM2*() functions, but it looks like they just try to cast down to a C integer variable of the appropriate size which is not what I want, as I will handle integers with more than 256bit representation
<dminuoso>
I still don't exactly understand what your problem is.
<romen>
dminuoso: how to access the data? what is the used format? are there defined macros/functions that are already taking care of LSB/MSB ordering and flags-stripping?
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<dminuoso>
romen: bignum is one of the few places I have avoided like the pest. Sad reality is the only documentation you have is the soure, luke.
<romen>
dminuoso: (I only have this old blog post as reference, but cannot find official doc about this stuff!)
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<romen>
ok, thanks!
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<dminuoso>
romen: Look at rb_uint2big in bignum.c
<dminuoso>
romen: That should be a good starting point.
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<romen>
this is already a good hint! thanks dminuoso !
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<mihael_k33hl>
I'm looking at a code snipper, and I"m trying to figure out where in the docs do it say that this is the specific Error/Exception that this particular method throws. http://pastebin.com/t9pZz4D9
<catphish>
sadly there's no nwrite, or i could just copy the lesser of nread and nwrite
<zenspider>
what would nwrite do?
<dminuoso>
catphish: for writing you can just use write_nonblock anyway.
<catphish>
zenspider: would tell me how many bytes can be written without blocking
<dminuoso>
catphish: as many as you want.
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<dminuoso>
catphish: with write its in _your_ control.
<catphish>
dminuoso: really? i dont see how that's possible, but i'll consider it
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<zenspider>
I think you would be fine with read_nonblock and write_nonblock and you need not use nread... if you need more sophistication you can use IO.select
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<dminuoso>
catphish: you can write as many bytes nonblocking as you want with write_nonblock
<dminuoso>
catphish: The problem in the other way is just that you might try to read more than is currently available. Writing doesn't have that problem - just think about it.
<catphish>
i am thinking about it, and i don't see how the write buffer can be unlimited
<zenspider>
nwrite doesn't make sense
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<catphish>
if it was, there'd be no need for write_nonblock
<dminuoso>
catphish: if it doesnt fit you get EWOULDBLOCK/EAGAIN
<catphish>
exactly!
<catphish>
then i'm left with data i've read but can't write, which is what i'm trying to avoid
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<zenspider>
have you even read the documentation on write_nonblock?
<zenspider>
it's pretty clear
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<catphish>
as far as i can tell, it writes as much data as it can
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<catphish>
then returns immediately having written some or all of the data
<zenspider>
so... that's a no?
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<catphish>
what am i misunderstanding?
<dminuoso>
catphish: It's not how you deal with sockets.
<zenspider>
... the reading part, apparently
* zenspider
goes back to porting benchmark-ips to racket
<dminuoso>
catphish: What you are looking for is something like ioctl/FIONWRITE
<dminuoso>
But I think its poor style.
<catphish>
yes, FIONWRITE is what i want
<catphish>
ie "nwrite"
* zenspider
sighs
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<catphish>
i've read its "poor style" but without any particular reasoning why
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<catphish>
i guess usually one uses a userspace buffer, i might end up going that way, i just hoped i could simplify by using "nread" and "nwrite"
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<catphish>
zenspider: please stop being offensive and actually explain what you think i'm misunderstanding
<dminuoso>
catphish: Basically you should not care at all.
<dminuoso>
catphish: Either the call succeeds if there is one byte available in the send buffer, its completely full, or an error occured.
<catphish>
basically i want to avoid reading data i then can't write, the problem with write_nonblock is that afaik it can do a partial write
<catphish>
meaning i've read some data but only written part of it
<zenspider>
catphish: I already did. you don't bother to understand or read, so why should I type at you more? dminuoso is ALSO explaining this. seems like a waste of time to me
<dminuoso>
catphish: Read the documentation on write_nonblock again.
<dminuoso>
Or any POSIX manual.
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<catphish>
dminuoso: ok
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<catphish>
the ruby manual says explicitly "Note that this doesn’t guarantee to write all data in string. The length written is reported as result and it should be checked later." that was my concern
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<catphish>
so again, i believe i understand it, and believe i am likely to end up in a situation where i've read more data than i can write, but i guess i'm missing something since you both think i'm wrong here
<leitz>
If a class has a public method defiend with "def my_method", and called by another method in that class. That works. Trying to figure out the syntax for calling the method from outside of the class.
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<dminuoso>
leitz: You call it on objects of that class.
<catphish>
leitz: assuming it's an instance method, you would normally call it on an instance of the class
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<dminuoso>
catphish: In a nutshell you just have a loop, and write() to your file descriptor, skipping by the amount of bytes written in each pass - until you have nothing more to write.
<dminuoso>
Does that make sense?
<zenspider>
leitz: just like you call a method on a string: `"blah".chars`... you call a instance method on an instance of that class (or subclass)
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<dminuoso>
catphish: The special case where you would get EWOULDBLOCK you can handle by waiting for a short bit - or just trying again.
<catphish>
dminuoso: that makes perfect sense, just means i have to read data without knowing i can write it, and store it in a userspace buffer and wait until the write socket is available again
<zenspider>
leitz: you might want to try going through something like the ruby koans or some other tutorial
<dminuoso>
catphish: No you dont wait until the write socket is available again.
<leitz>
I figure it's one of those simple things I'm just forgetting.
<dminuoso>
catphish: If you want to wait, you might as well use blocking IO
<dminuoso>
The entire point of non blocking IO is that you don't want to wait if it cant be completed.
<catphish>
dminuoso: i'm pretty sure you do, otherwise you just keep blindly doing writes that are never going to success
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<dminuoso>
catphish: You just need a single byte for write to succeed.
<zenspider>
leitz: are you Leam? you're on ruby-talk, yes?
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<leitz>
zenspider, yes. I looked for this question before and my mailer can't find the old conversation.
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<dminuoso>
catphish: What possible scenario do you have, where you cannot expect the output buffer to have a single byte available over an extended period of time?
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<catphish>
sure, so what i will do if i run into a write_nonblock what writes less data than i have, i will remove the read socket from my epoll, put the write socket in the epoll instead, then carry on when it becomes writable
<dminuoso>
catphish: It sounds to me like you are trying to do blocking reads/writes using non-blocking read/writes.
<zenspider>
so in that case you'd do something like char = Character.new, and then could access char.species
<leitz>
In essence trying to make a method useable as a class and instance method. Per the Culttt URL
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<catphish>
dminuoso: not at all, i'm doing event driven writes
<catphish>
not really the same as blocking
<zenspider>
leitz: that usually doesn't work too well
<zenspider>
sometimes it makes sense, but often not
<dminuoso>
leitz: Burn the following into your mind: Methods in Ruby always belong to a class.
<catphish>
anyway, that's all fine, just means i need to maintain a userland buffer, was hoping to avoid that, but its not a big problem
<dminuoso>
leitz: Once you grasp that, it should become clear why what you are tryiing to do does not make much sense.
<leitz>
zenspider, what I'm trying to do with this is use lower overhead. I need to create a list of dozens of first names, but not the entire Character object.
<zenspider>
leitz: why do you care? have you measured it? is it a significant problem? Chances are: no and no
<zenspider>
dozens? that's nothing
<dminuoso>
leitz: Also: By chosing ruby you have already signed the "I give up significant performance for an elegant and expressive language" contract. Don't start with premature optimization now too.
<tildes>
leitz: maybe you need a service object to generate first names? doesn't sound like the class dedicated to characters should also create name lists
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<zenspider>
that's a million (shitty) random strings in < 0.5 seconds
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<tildes>
leitz: some object oriented programming reading / videos / tutorials / whatnots could help with figuring out how to organize code
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<leitz>
yup to all the above. I am learning OOP. Just pulled the name genearation out of a module into its own class. However, it just returns a full name; first and last.
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<leitz>
Which may be a design problem. :)
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<tildes>
leitz: you can always share the code, how you use it, what you expected it to do, and the error / behaviour you get instead
<dminuoso>
leitz: It's simple: If you have a class variant, i.e. state that you need to preserve throughout the lifetime of your object - make it a class.
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<tildes>
leitz: also, what kind of resources you are using to learn OOP / Ruby / programming?
<dminuoso>
If not, use a moduel.
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<leitz>
tildes, the gist was what I'm working on now, and it has the link to the actual method call.
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<tildes>
leitz: and where is Name?
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<leitz>
dminuoso, working on that as well. The Name class does nothing but provide a full name. Now I need to break up the first and last names.
<leitz>
So I can split name and take the 0 element and get a bunch of first names. What I really want, besides better code, is better coding skills. Having the reinforcement of Class vs Instance methods, when my brain is stuck on that issue, helps.
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<leitz>
tildes, also, on your resources question, the humorous answer is "most of the books". Reading is easier than understanding. :)
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<tildes>
leitz: it's not a very accurate answer :)
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<tildes>
leitz: sometimes it's helpful to focus on a limited number of resources, those that serve your current situation best
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<tildes>
leitz: and yes, learning takes time
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<leitz>
tildes, understood. I'm currently using the Pickaxe book and the Ruby Way. Have read Practical Object Oriented Design, which is what's inspiring me to change my code. I'm also using Text Processing with Ruby as that's one of my big targets.
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<leitz>
In this case, Name is now a class instead of a few methods in CharacterTools. The next step is to build a test file with names, one per line. Then I can make Name check for SQLite and the names.db. If not found, Name defaults to the test lists of names.
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<leitz>
The goal is to minimize the add ons someone needs to run the program. And to learn.
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<Ch4mp>
why it print only the last line regardless of number
<Ch4mp>
the battle continues, has more than 50 HP and fires back! DMG taken: 6
<Ch4mp>
the battle continues, has more than 50 HP and fires back! DMG taken: 85
<Ch4mp>
it doesnt matter which number
<Ch4mp>
it prints the last statement
<tildes>
leitz: out of your reading list I only know the Metz book, which I did like, and have read twice
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<tildes>
leitz: Black - The Well-Grounded Rubyist is a good one
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<Ch4mp>
nobody can help me? so many people here
<jhass>
Ch4mp: have some patience, 4 minutes is nothing on IRC
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<Ch4mp>
well it's an easy code :)
<jhass>
so
<dminuoso>
Ch4mp: case does not work the way you think it does.
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<jhass>
^
<dminuoso>
Ch4mp: Use if/elsif/else
<leitz>
tildes, I think that's on my list to get. However, I'm also trying to read some of the ones I have already. :)
<jhass>
Ch4mp: well we should also fix your understanding of case, what do you think it does?
<tildes>
leitz: yup, and you've got a few there already :D
<Ch4mp>
if there are more "ifs"
<Ch4mp>
better to use case
<leitz>
tildes, the Metz book is great, but I'm at the very beginning of being able to understand it. By the way, there's another half dozen or so unlisted books on the shelf. Just Ruby specific. More on better coding in general.
<leitz>
Amazon likes me....
<Ch4mp>
but its the same as if .. isnt?
<jhass>
no
<catphish>
Ch4mp: that's only true in specific cases when you are doing lots of ==
<catphish>
case doesn't do the same as "if"
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<catphish>
look at some examples of how case is used
<catphish>
and you will probably see your mistake
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<tildes>
leitz: more practical experience and time will help with the Metz book methinks
<jhass>
Ch4mp: case A; when B; when C; end is the same as if B === A; elsif C === A; end
<Ch4mp>
oh now it works!
<tildes>
leitz: one quick way to improve your code is to start using rubocop
<Ch4mp>
yay
<catphish>
Ch4mp: also, you're treating dmg as if its HP ;)
<dminuoso>
leitz: If your book was written by Metz, chances are you got ripped off.
<Ch4mp>
yeha il study more about it
<dminuoso>
:o)
<jhass>
so rewriting your case statement, you have if (dmg < 30) === dmg; elsif (dmg == 0) === dmg; else; end
<Ch4mp>
thanks
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<catphish>
nice error from google's webservers! <title>Error 404 (Not Found)!!1</title>
<catphish>
oops wrong channel
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<leitz>
Do you normally put your rdoc generated docs in your remote DVCS repo?
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<leitz>
No big deal, it just make my project report as 93.5% HTML. Since my repos are part of my resume, I don't want to be catagorized as a web frontender.
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<leitz>
team2016, Ruby is fairly easy to get started with. The more you want to do the more you learn. As a scripting language there's a pretty fast feedback loop and you can test commands in irb.
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<team2016>
leitz: thanks anyway what i can do with ruby?
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<ljarvis>
team2016: you should do your research
<ljarvis>
as anyone would with any language
<team2016>
ljarvis: what you mean?
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<ddffg>
A new pilot program inside Amazon is creating technical teams consisting entirely of part-time employees — including managers — in the the company’s latest attempt to compete for tech talent and build a reputation as a flexible place to work.
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<leitz>
team2016, quite a bit. Not as much OS level stuff but very good for a wide variety of tasks. I'm mangling XML and creating a character generator for a game. Figure out what you'd like to do with code and go try stuff. Ruby has strengths and challenges, but you really want to code in a language you enjoy.
<leitz>
The more you enjoy it the more you'll code, and thus the better you will become.
<leitz>
Sadly, work calls...
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<team2016>
ok thanks leitz
<team2016>
but guy is gone
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<team2016>
lol
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<catphish>
would anyone be able to explain what i did wrong here? i copied an example of how to use connect_nonblock but it raises an exception saying it would block: http://paste.codebasehq.com/pastes/ev46hembv6xlv861tf
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<catphish>
oh, actually, i didn't copy the example, the example catches the exception i'm receiving
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<catphish>
the error is intentional, never mind :)
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<mikepjb>
ls
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<Drumphet>
heh
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<agent_white>
Mornin'
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<bonhoeffer>
i'm swapping out rvm for rbenv -- but after rvm implode the ruby version for rvm is still not getting loaded -- any options?
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<bonhoeffer>
ruby -v shows ruby 2.0.0p481 -- but i just installed 2.3.1
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<chrisseaton>
I've been looking at #allocate today - I think that Class#new ignores any monkey patching when it calls #allocate - does this mean it's always usless to define your own #allocate, as #new will never call it?
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<mustmodify>
What do your tests say?
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<chrisseaton>
That if you define your own #allocate, it will be ignored by Class#new and it will call the original one for the built class immediately prior in your class hierarchy
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<dardak>
can some one explain me this:
<dardak>
@bins << (1..9).sort_by{ rand }
<chrisseaton>
I had thought that the whole point of #allocate was so that you could override it and implement for example free-list allocation
<chrisseaton>
dardak: do you want the whole thing explained from scratch or some particular part of it
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<dardak>
no
<dardak>
just get to know
<dardak>
why to use binary operator
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<chrisseaton>
do you mean <<? That's another way to write push
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<dardak>
so will be the same with "="
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<dminuoso>
chrisseaton, I think your findings are correct. A while ago I tried implementing some nasty hacks trying to coerce a Module into a Class. What you just described sounds familiar.
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<dardak>
I mean
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<dardak>
with ".push"
<chrisseaton>
dardak: no, this pushes an item onto the end of the array, = assigns the variable to the randomised array
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<dardak>
Ah ok
<dardak>
thx
<dminuoso>
chrisseaton, dardak: note that push accepts multiple arguments, while << only accepts one. So there is a small difference. :)
<chrisseaton>
yes, and you can model multiple arguments with multiple <<, like array << 1 << 2 << 3
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<dminuoso>
Yeah but you can't do arr.<<(1,2)
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<dardak>
Thx so much guys!
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<foxxx0>
i have an array of hashes looking like these: https://paste.foxxx0.de/o6ge4x/ and i want to calculate a hash with all the quota_ attributes summed together for each attribute
<foxxx0>
having trouble finding an elegant solution
<hightower>
adam12, the get_process_mem dude reads from /proc, but certainly great to have the code done, instead of having to ponder about it
<hightower>
thanks++
<adam12>
Yeah - I'm exploring this in another language right now and for Linux impl, I'm reading from proc :( I am not sure if there is another way.
<team2016>
where i can start ruby?
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<adam12>
hightower: you could also look into one of the process managers that tracks memory and sees if there is a better way they've found - bluepill, god, etc.
<hightower>
team2016, run 'irb'
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<team2016>
hightower: what you mean?
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<ag4ve>
how do I get ruby (not sure what exactly) to use an international repo instead of rubygems?
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<ag4ve>
I'm trying to use chef-sugar, I've modified the url in Gemfile to our internal server and it's still trying to hit rubygems
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<adam12>
ag4ve: You have your own gem server? like geminabox?
<youch>
team2016 you can start an interactive ruby prompt by running irb from the command line
<team2016>
irb
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<youch>
team2016: from your shell's commandline, im guessing your shell is bash. not here
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<team2016>
ok thanks youch anyway python vs ruby, what most people use between both?
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<youch>
team2016: python is probably used more commercially for a wide range of applications, but its really up to your personal prefernce on which language you like more
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<team2016>
ok thanks youch
<youch>
you can find endless threads on that question with a cursory google search, and none of them will really give you an answer as to which is better
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<ag4ve>
I haven't (don't intend to do much modification) to that repo since this is nothing I'd commit upstream and I'd like it to be easy to merge in updates, so other than changing the source, that's what I've got
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<mordocai>
Cross post from #rubyonrails, but long story short: What profilers do you use to track down ruby level(so not database/io) performance issues? Can you point to an up to date guide o using it with rails?
<mordocai>
s/guide o/guide to/
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<mordocai>
baweaver: Ah yeah, I actually already own that but forgot (I bought it before it was technically out). Thanks for the reminder
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<bonhoeffer>
i'm trying to work with an object: session = Capybara::Session.new(:selenium) and want to have a block work in this scope, what is the best construct to avoid prefixing everything with session?
<dminuoso>
kiba_, depends on what you are trying to do. mechanize gives a low level touch, but capybara gives everything including JavaScript.
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<dminuoso>
kiba_, an alternate solution would be to drive your browser through Watir.
<kiba_>
dminuoso: I am trying to download a forum thread, index it for the meta data, and then graph data such as posts per day.
<havenwood>
kiba_: say more about what you're doing?
<kiba_>
I just did.
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<dminuoso>
kiba_, do you have the need for any JavaScript interaction?
<dminuoso>
If not, I recommend plain mechanize.
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<kiba_>
Not at this time. I don't believe so.
<kiba_>
spidr seems cool, but it's also less popular
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<kiba_>
I am going with mechanize.
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<zenspider_>
mechanize is a sane choice. there's a spider in the examples dir
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<kiba_>
I only plan to download a thread
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<kiba_>
on a forum somewhere.
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<kiba_>
twenty minutes into a project, I barely got started on writing some code.
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<kiba_>
Oh well. Twenty minutes isn't a long time, and it's pretty expected that I will spend a lot of time reading documentation when trying to do unfamiliar things.
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