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<bradland>
as in, will it make people hate me later if i use it now?
<bradland>
like hashie
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<jhass>
as far as questions in #ruby goes, it's my new rails
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<jhass>
people drop in, claim it's plain ruby and then you slowly figure out why it's behaving so strangely
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<jhass>
same for chef and a bit for puppet, though puppet users usually give away that they're using puppet right in the question
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<jhass>
or maybe I mistake facets for that facter stuff
<jhass>
it all confuses me
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<bradland>
i'm in the same boat. i hardly understand ruby. more extensions just make me more confused.
<Nilium>
I just don't try to figure out Rails-related problems.
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<jhass>
but for that you have to figure out it's Rails(or Chef or Puppet)-related first!
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<Nilium>
It's usually obvious when you see active record mentioned anywhere, which it usually is
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<shevy>
anyone knows if there are any major changes in ruby upcoming?
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<zenspider>
facets?!?! that isn't dead/banned/murdered&buried yet?
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<bradland>
shevy: depends on your definition of major
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<shevy>
bradland hmm. I kinda want to see like just an overview of what is going on
<shevy>
like the status of refinements
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<starless>
How can I spawn a bunch of threads that run a long method that returns some data such that (1) I can access that data from the spawning thread and (2) I can efficiently process the data from each thread as they finish?
<starless>
I'm assuming continuously checking if each thread is alive is not the best way to accomplish (2).
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<waxjar>
google for symbol to proc in ruby for a detailed explanation, there are plenty of articles on it :)
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<starless>
waxjar: but this will block on the threads sequentially, won't it?
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<waxjar>
yeah, but they'll all finish close to each other, since they're running in the background :)
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<Scient>
ruby keeps on segfaulting for me when installing from source... with /usr/local/lib/ruby/2.2.0/psych.rb:370: [BUG] Segmentation fault at 0x00000014333fe0
<Scient>
basically no matter WHAT I do
<Scient>
same for 2.1.5
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<starless>
waxjar: well, they're doing networking operations, so I expect some stagger. but thank you anyway!
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<Scient>
anyone got any clue a bout this?
<waxjar>
just to clarify, it'll stall the main thread until all threads are done, but they're executing concurrently :)
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<starless>
waxjar: yep, but the thing is the main thread then does work with their data, and it's relevant to the performance of my program that the data is processed as soon as it's ready (as opposed to perhaps waiting for the first thread when the last is done)
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<jhass>
starless: sounds like it's independent of the other results, why not do that processing inside the thread then?
<jhass>
why do you have to pass it back to the main thread
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<jhass>
or in other worker threads for that matter
<starless>
the main thread is writing to a stream, and that stream can't be shared between threads for obvious reasons
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<jhass>
it can, you just need to lock it with a mutex
<Scient>
cant really find anything on this segfault either
<Scient>
great...
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<jhass>
starless: check the monitor mixin in stdlib, very useful to write a thread safe wrapper around things
<starless>
jhass: I suppose I could do that. And I'll look into monitor as well. Thanks.
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<waxjar>
i think i remember reading IO#write is safe to use from threads, but i might be wrong
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<Scient>
anyone got a clue about the segfault? has maybe seen it before?
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<jhass>
waxjar: per call safe maybe, but then you need to make sure to only do a single call
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<jhass>
often you want to synchronize over multiple calls when it comes to IO
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<jhass>
Scient: you should tell when you crosspost ;)
<Scient>
not really if im not getting any response here :)
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<jhass>
no response in IRC terms means 12-24 hours ;)
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<jhass>
also you probably should make a gist with the full output
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<Scient>
well.. it segfaults in psych, what else is there to see really :P
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<jhass>
things you may overlook, libyaml versions, silly loaded libraries, stuff like that
<jhass>
there must be something unusual in your system when it comes to a release like that and works on thousands of machines flawlessly
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<sevenseacat>
no problem with ruby 2.1.5 or 2.2.0 here :)
<Scient>
i cant really see why it would fail there specifically
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<sevenseacat>
even knowing your OS might be a good start
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<Scient>
i mean it installs fine.. and then when it starts installing gems, specifically bundler, it shits the bed
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<jhass>
Scient: you can never provide too many details, so that argument is void anyways
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<Scient>
fell back to 2.1.5 from scratch, after a blanked package update and disabling ffi
<Scient>
seems to work, idk
<Scient>
fuck .20
<Scient>
2.2.0 that is
<Scient>
jhass: sure, but if there is zero response, im not really going to scramble for extra info
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<jhass>
or maybe there's zero response because of the lack of that extra info
<Scient>
i guess thats too bad then
<jhass>
and as said, it's not unusual to take up to 12 hours until somebody pops in that has the response
<sevenseacat>
too bad for you :P
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<Scient>
yeah im not up for waiting 12 hours
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<Scient>
thats just not reasonable
<Scient>
thats my point
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<Scient>
no response at all = fuck it
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<Scient>
its not like im not going to get it work, it might save some time if its an issue that someone has encountered before - especially if its somewhat of a corner case (based on going thru bug reports)
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* sevenseacat
gets popcorn
<Scient>
:9
<jhass>
sevenseacat: you have to thrive it forward for that, I'm having enough of the whining
<Scient>
im not whining
<Scient>
you are
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<Scient>
pretty annoying to be honest
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<Scient>
you respond with nothing. at. all. then you start something about "cross posting" and having to wait 12-24 hours and whatnot
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<Scient>
so why not just keep ignoring me, obviously im not going to wait and you are not being of any help for me
<Scient>
plus, i have it solved now
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<jhass>
yes you're right. I'm annoying and you know everything better than me. Sorry for responding to your request of help.
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<sevenseacat>
so you should be! bad jhass!
<Scient>
if only you would responded to the request of help
<Scient>
jesus
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bops jhass on the nose with a newspaper
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<jhass>
you still have a newspaper?
<Scient>
this is why i avoid asking anything on irc besides on a couple of specific channels
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<Scient>
there is always someone who will treat you like a 5 year old and act all self righteous in the process
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<Scient>
fuck that. for real.
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<Scient>
if you dont know the answer, say so. if you want more info, say so.
<Scient>
just dont start shit about nothing
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<jhass>
mh, yeah, IRC is really nothing I can recommend if you're offended that easily
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<zenspider>
Scient: I dunno about whiny as I only have so much backlog, but you sure are coming off as entitled to me. You didn't seem to provide enough details and now you're upset that you're not getting a solution on a silver platter.
* Scient
facepalms
<zenspider>
yup. keep up the righteous indignation. I'm sure it'll work for you... somewhere.
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<zenspider>
starless: may I see?
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<Scient>
funny how everyone is suddenly here and "ready to give advice" now
<starless>
zenspider: yeah, lemme just try one more fix.
<starless>
zenspider: I had a multiprocess implementation and I'm trying to make it multithreaded and now it's megafucked
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<zenspider>
Scient: ok. I can confirm the whiny part now. I'll stop with you, so you can have the last word since you seem that type.
<zenspider>
starless: why go from multiprocess to multithreaded? need more sharing?
<Scient>
smart move
<zenspider>
multiprocess is beautiful from a thread safety perspective. :)
<starless>
zenspider: yeah, I know. I'm just gonna roll back, actually.
<zenspider>
well... let's take a look first
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<starless>
alright...but be warned; I know there's a better way to do this
<zenspider>
haha. fair warning
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<shevy>
sevenseacat don't eat popcorn, it's not good for a cat!
<sevenseacat>
but so tasty
<zenspider>
really? I had a cat that would eat popcorn periodically... tho he preferred tortilla chips
<shevy>
really??
<shevy>
hmm I am a bit scared to try
<sevenseacat>
i had a cat once that liked vegemite. true story.
<shevy>
she is like 14 years or so soon, can't scare an old cat like that
<zenspider>
vegemite? damn... sodium deficiency ?
<sevenseacat>
dunno, but she loved it
<eam>
cat food is mostly corn anyway right
<shevy>
ah that sounds ok, vegemite is bread-like or? I've seen some cats eat parts of bread sometimes, depends on what type
<shevy>
eam beef!
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<sevenseacat>
it was one of those things where the cat always hangs around trying to eat human food so we were all like 'you think so, cat? try this'
<sevenseacat>
<cat> omnomnom
<eam>
shevy: not sure I call those parts of the animal "beef"
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<eam>
based on "vegemite" I'm pretty sure sevenseacat isn't from the USA in which case food might actually not be corn-based
<eam>
but that's all we eat here, humans, cats or otherwise
<sevenseacat>
correct, we dont live on a diet of corn here in australia :P
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<bufferloss>
I like corn
<eam>
just dingos and drop-bears
<sevenseacat>
they taste like chicken.
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<starless>
zenspider: is my code at least readable?
<eam>
I've never eaten a dingo :(
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<zenspider>
starless: yup. reading through it now. what's the original problem?
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<starless>
zenspider: well I had a pretty stable build that worked fine. I wanted to optimize so I wanted to go from multiprocess to multithreading
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<zenspider>
hard to beat multiprocess on a good OS.
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<zenspider>
unless you're spawning a shit-tonne
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<starless>
zenspider: Guess I'll be rolling back, then
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<zenspider>
starless: don't think you _need_ to, but I see nothing wrong with a multiprocess design for this type of tool as long as you're not trying to exhaust system resources.
<zenspider>
at that point, you'd need the spawner to maintain a pool of active processes
<zenspider>
same with threads at that point tho
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<starless>
zenspider: well, I'd really only be rolling back because I had a stable build
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<starless>
it was damn reliable
<zenspider>
*nod* what were you trying to optimize?
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<bufferloss>
starless, you know that MRI ruby has a global thread lock right?
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<starless>
bufferloss: so? I have race conditions up the butt right now
<bufferloss>
starless, threads vs forking won't solve that
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<jhass>
bufferloss: not around most of the IO stuff
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<starless>
zenspider: I just got it in my head that threads would be faster than processes; I originally did processes so I could have a different PWD for each repository, but then I realized you could tell git which dir to work in
<starless>
bufferloss: yes it will. watch.
* starless
rolls back.
<starless>
bang, it works
<zenspider>
haha
<bufferloss>
starless, that doesn't fix your inability to program concurrency correctly
<zenspider>
throwing around "global thread lock" without specific context means roughly nothing
<bufferloss>
starless, all it does is basically make your system non concurrent
<starless>
says the guy who suggested the global thread lock
<jhass>
bufferloss, I'm not following what you're getting at either
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<starless>
he just wanted to take this opportunity to insinuate that I can't write multithreaded programs
<bufferloss>
which you can't, obviously
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<jhass>
bufferloss: seriously, shut up
<starless>
well thanks, you've been very helpful
<bufferloss>
any time
<boombadaroomba>
jhass, i still like you
<starless>
I can't resist saying that I fucking implemented sync primitives last semester
<starless>
implemented.
<bufferloss>
semester... I see, you're in school, that explains a lot
<zenspider>
starless: don't take the bait. he's a cock. simple as that
<bufferloss>
but apparently you already know all the things about concurrent programming, which is why your system works so well
<jhass>
time for everybody to learn their clients ignore feature
<starless>
my system /does/ work. but the strain of refactoring from two totally different designs was too much
<zenspider>
apeiros/apeiros_ : oi
<starless>
anyways, you're right, zenspider
<starless>
sorry for feeding the troll
<jhass>
zenspider: 3am here, doubt it
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<bufferloss>
starless, yeah, that's not uncommon, better you learn these things the hard way when you're in school so that you program it right when you get in to the real world
* sevenseacat
hands around popcorn for the rest of the class
<shevy>
starless haha I even have difficulties unifying two different classes... one is called "Mounted", the other "Mountpoints"... both essentially just show mounted devices, though slightly differently
<bufferloss>
mmmm, popcorn
<zenspider>
bufferloss: where "the hard way" means dealing with dickheads like you? I'm pretty sure he has better resources availabel
<zenspider>
available...
<bufferloss>
zenspider, nope
<shevy>
so refactoring two different designs sounds like having to tweak a lot of files - at least I only have two .rb files here
<bufferloss>
hard way means race conditions, which he already has
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<zenspider>
well THAT shut down the dialog in here...
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<eam>
just in case it wasn't incredibly obvious, the GIL isn't relevant between *processes*
<eam>
only between threads (and then, only sometimes)
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* sevenseacat
has no opinion or comment on multithreading and related issues
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<eam>
sevenseacat: none?
<sevenseacat>
none.
<eam>
well what can we talk about then
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<shevy>
about cats
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<eam>
shevy: if you run cat it's a separate process
<shevy>
my cats are always running
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<weaksauce>
aww man I missed the concurrency debate... shucks
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<shevy>
hmm
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<odigity>
yeah, I found it. pretty disappointing. I was expecting some kind of fancy duration object that I could call methods on to get the year component...
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<odigity>
ruby and activesupport have spoiled me. I assume I can find exactly what I need most of the time :)
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<withnale_>
Is there a way to get the name of the class of the current method? When subclassing, object.class gives you the name of base class, but if I run a method in the superclass, I want to know the superclass name programatically...
<zenspider>
withnale_: why?
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<withnale_>
I need to merge some class objects from the superclass into the subclass.
<zenspider>
"if I run a method in the superclass, I want to know the superclass name" ... specifically that... why?
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<zenspider>
"merge some class objects"? that means what?
<withnale_>
There are some objects assocaited with @options in the superclass.
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<withnale_>
i.e. associated with the class not the instance.
<zenspider>
really sounds like you're doing some hinkey shit. or you're just doing a shitty job describing your problem
<withnale_>
I'm using someone elses framework so I don't want to change the underlying methods that access/work with it
<zenspider>
what do you have so far?
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<withnale_>
At the moment in the superclass initialiser I am doing self.class.options = MySuperClass.options.merge(self.class.options)
<withnale_>
I'd prefer not to have to specify MySuperClass by name.
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<ponga>
n
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<zenspider>
withnale_: there's nothing wrong with specifying it by name, but self.class.superclass is always the superclass
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<withnale_>
but that's not quite the same. If there was another level of subclassing in between, it would use that. Is there no way to get the classname of the current method?
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<zenspider>
withnale_: you're going about this the wrong way
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<zenspider>
also: you suck at describing problems... which usually means you're not clear on what you need
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<withnale_>
As I said, I'm using an existing framework, which is why I'm describing the 'tiny' problem I'm trying to solve. The superclass I mentioned inherits from another class, which itself includes mixins - which are both generated elsewhere. Hence the desire to have a one liner fix in the initialiser rather than reimplement all the associated methods.
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<withnale_>
Personally, I think I've described it pretty well. No worries. I can live with the workaround. Just thought there would be an easy method call that gave me the name of the actual class the methods was in rather than the base class.
<withnale_>
nvm!
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<zenspider>
include Enumerable doesn't seem to define #to_a if there is one in the ancestry? or am I misinterpreting? How do I make this work? https://gist.github.com/839ca494cfbd65bddd20
<arup_r>
withnale_: I just joined.. can you tell me what you are looking for? And avoid people who will demotivate you..
<zenspider>
I'm looking at enum.c and there's nothing special about the method
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<arup_r>
>> class A; def meth; 12 ;end;end ; A.new.method(:meth).owner
<shevy>
now I begin to understand why "rescue Exception" may instead be used ;)
<shevy>
also got two more to add to that list!
<shevy>
Zlib::BufError
<shevy>
OpenURI::HTTPError
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<Timgauthier>
shevy did you get my ping the other day?
<shevy>
especially that zlib error confuses me, the others at least seem related to network-connection
<shevy>
Timgauthier the php horror link?
<Timgauthier>
ya
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<shevy>
yeah you make me sad
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<shevy>
but at least you are married so that makes me happy
<certainty>
shevy: gzip compression in http?
<shevy>
certainty oh that can be, interesting
<shevy>
certainty I don't trust my computer
<certainty>
:)
<certainty>
the question is which exceptions are you willing to handle at the level you're looking at
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<certainty>
and able to handle
<certainty>
in a meaningful way
<shevy>
hmm. that script checks a remote homepage for activity. as in, which users logged in. This dataset can then be lateron demonstrated to see peak activity per day and such
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<ddv>
shevy: a lot of different exceptions can be thrown with networking errors, I gave up and used StandardError
<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
hmm. StandardError is better than Exception in this case?
<ddv>
shevy: never use Exception directly
<shevy>
I mean, I now have 5 different exceptions ... I can understand that different errors may require different responses, but yeah... I am tempted to replace those 5 different lines just with one rescue instead
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<shevy>
I don't think I have used StandardError before
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<waxjar>
rescue from StandardError, if you rescue from exception you'll catch things you can't handle
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<waxjar>
like signal exceptions, parse errors, etc.
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<djellemah>
shevy: this is a legal rescue clause: rescue Errno::ECONNREFUSED, Errno::ETIMEDOUT, Errno::ENETUNREACH, Zlib::BufError, OpenURI::HTTPError
<certainty>
+1 for StandardError
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<ddv>
djellemah: it will throw even more exceptions, trust me
<shevy>
djellemah oh I know that you can stack them; the problem is, what do you report to the user? 5 different reasons in detail?
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<ddv>
shevy: report 1 reason, networking error/failure bla bla, for you the developer maybe more specific errors
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<ddv>
shevy: service not available, try again later or something like that?
<ddv>
if problem persists contact shevy <3
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<certainty>
shevy: generally (if applicable) it's good to distinguish 3 types of consumers for error messages. you have to adjust the content accordingly, those are 1) enduser 2) administrator 3) developer
<certainty>
they all demand different details
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<djellemah>
shevy: Hash of exception class to user-friendly error message, or a case inside the rescue. And then re-raise.
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<sieve>
jhass: Im struggling to find an example of this on the google
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<jhass>
sieve: my example was not enough?
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<jhass>
try docs for Kernel#system, Kernel#` and Processs::Status then
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<bradland>
sieve: are you talking about docs for the global $? or just examples in general?
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<bradland>
i'm not sure if this is the definitive name, but when i'm looking for info on Ruby's $ variables, I google "ruby special globals" (sans quotes)
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<sieve>
bradland: Examples of how I can capture the exitcode of a command that is being run in the script and then make that the exitcode of the script.
<sieve>
bradland: so we can make a curl wrapper script for monitoring applications
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<sieve>
bradland: exit $?.exitstatus
<jhass>
exit $?.exitcode
<jhass>
oh status :P
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<jhass>
I can never remember
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<sieve>
jhass: both exitstatus and exitcode give me : metrics-curl.rb:74: syntax error, unexpected tIDENTIFIER, expecting end-of-input
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<jhass>
yeah
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<bradland>
damn, yeah
<jhass>
you're probably still doing $.
<jhass>
the variable is called $?, not $
<bradland>
one of the easiest ways to find this kind of thing out is to fire up a pry session
<bradland>
ls $?
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<sieve>
jhass: you are wise
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<sieve>
jhass: I was missing the question mark
<sieve>
jhass: but now I have "metrics-curl.rb:74:in `<main>': undefined method `exitstatus' for "$":String (NoMethodError)"
<jhass>
was it exitcode then?
<jhass>
check Process::Status for a more reliable resource on the names there ;P
<sieve>
and see error: metrics-curl.rb:74:in `<main>': undefined method `exitstatus' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
<jhass>
well, reading $? and then writing $. still doing it after being pointed out it's $? not $ and then after being pointed out again writing ?$ instead, not sure how that's unique to ruby tbh
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<sieve>
jhass, sorry, I was flustered
<strixd>
lol
* sieve
takes a cup of camomile tea
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<jhass>
so, nil means it was reset in the mean time
<jhass>
or the command wasn't called yet when it reaches your code
<jhass>
since that's in a class I guess the later
<jhass>
(I don't know sensu)
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<sieve>
Ah, so this should be in the class then with the output bit. ok, that makes sense
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<bradland>
sieve: fwiw, if i'm writing full blown classes as wrappers for shell utilities, i tend to use open3
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<bradland>
globals are fine for scripts, but open3 (and friends) provide a lot more fine grained control over what is captured and where it is stored
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<sieve>
bradland. Ill keep an eye
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<sieve>
jhass: thanks for your patience!
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<alex88>
joast: inspect worked, however it also adds double quotes around the string, another solution? use a regex and replace \n with \\n?
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<Timgauthier>
why /n ?
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<alex88>
Timgauthier: /n?
<arez>
is there a way to replace multiple characters and not do gsub().gsub().gsub()
<Timgauthier>
\n
<Timgauthier>
i suck at keyboard
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<alex88>
Timgauthier: since I want the string to be in one line and with \n escaped instead of actual newlines
<Timgauthier>
i gud wit maus
<Timgauthier>
why not add the \n programattically?
<Timgauthier>
i didn't read everything
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<jhass>
arez: if it's single characters, check String#tr
<alex88>
since dotenv parses VAR: "\n" in some way and VAR: \n in another
<shevy>
arez you could perhaps use an array
<shevy>
%w( all patterns to get rid if ).each
<shevy>
or a hash, with key -> value connotation to apply the pattern you desire
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<jhass>
arez: if it's not single characters, there are other methods and ways to call gsub, but you would need to be a bit more detailed
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<arez>
jhass: no thx it worked
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<jhass>
alex88: curious, how does it parse it differently?
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<jen__>
Can anyone point to reference on how to install Ruby on my server? I need to do bundle exec ruby
<jhass>
jen__: there are a myriad of ways
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<jhass>
what's your distribution?
<roolo>
jen__: Tell us something about your server
<jhass>
and what do you need it for?
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<alex88>
jhass: seems that without quotes, it replaces \n with \\n
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<jhass>
and yo want that?
<alex88>
in the ENV variable, and so settingslogic gem picks it up with the \n correctly
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<alex88>
jhass: the dotenv file is generated with the erb thing that I was talking it before
<roolo>
jen__: Check file Gemfile if there is something about some particular Ruby version
<alex88>
so doing <%= @var.inspect %> doesn't work as it outputs \n as char, but it also wrap things around quotes
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<alex88>
jhass: ended up using value.split("\n").join('\n')
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<jhass>
avril14th: that does a lot more than just that though
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<jhass>
jen__: that's no problem, just answer the questions when you have time
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<jen__>
jhass: we’re trying to install a bundler and it’s going to take a bit more than IRC. I’m afraid I’ll need to hire someone to get this ruby script running. Anyone interested in doing this for me, please PM me.
<jhass>
jen__: it's no open source app you're installing?
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<jen__>
it’s a Google Adwords API used for offline tracking
<Jinxed->
Does ruby have an easy way to communicate with a serial ASCII device?
<jhass>
jen__: doesn't answer the question though
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<jhass>
Jinxed-: nothing in stdlib I'm aware of, but there should be several gems iirc
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<shevy>
Jinxed- I guess there is ports-related where you can grab or send raw characters
<shevy>
I also think there is something in stdlib but I don't remember the name. I remember reading it in the old pickaxe book
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<arez>
can I use interfaces or abstract classes in ruby or other kinds to force methods on classes?
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<apeiros_>
arez: you can use respond_to?, but it's generally not done.
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<certainty>
arez: you mean like template methods?
<arez>
certainty: hmm, like interfaces in java
<arez>
I wanna type check if some object is an abstract from e.g. a Car Class
<certainty>
arez: well you can not force it at the type level or something but you can create a base-class that implements the methods that define your interface with raise NotImplementedError
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<certainty>
not exactly pretty
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<certainty>
but as apeiros_ said, in ruby we're not so much concerned about types. we just care about how a a thing quacks (which methods it responds to)
<arez>
certainty: yes, I saw that on stackoverlow, but it's really not pretty
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<arez>
certainty: kay, so I think I will use respond_to
<jhass>
arez: try not doing it at all for a while
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<jhass>
just assume whatever you have responds to the method
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<jhass>
let it run into the NoMethodError's
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<certainty>
the rationale being that you most likely will raise an error that says the same if you implement it in the case of respond_to? returning false
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<certainty>
(i suspect)
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<arez>
certainty: I think I go with the respond_to so I can make sure it's implemented, thx guys
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<jhass>
arez: really, just try it for a while without
<certainty>
chicken typing ftw :D
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<jhass>
you only save effort for now and if you really don't like that can just spend that effort later then
<jhass>
' is too in \W and no reason to list it twice
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<jheg>
great stuff thanks
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<ghormoon>
hi, is it normal, that webrick server doesn't react to sigterm? am I doing something wrong or should I just always sigkill it?
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<shevy>
ghormoon it reacts to sigterm here just fine I think
<shevy>
sigterm is ctrl-c?
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<shevy>
oh wait
<shevy>
I use sigint
<shevy>
Signal.trap('SIGINT') { exit }
<shevy>
how do you trigger sigterm?
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<jhass>
plain kill / killall / pkill
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<ghormoon>
yup
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<jhass>
for example Ctrl+Z, kill %1
<ghormoon>
neither kill or stopping the service works (well, stopping the service works as after timeout it sigkills, but that's not correct :))
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<jen__>
roolo:
<jen__>
hi
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<roolo>
jen__: Hi
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<jhass>
ghormoon: maybe just use another appserver :P
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<jhass>
unicorn and puma can be recommended
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<dipnlik>
hi. i have a gem that has really big fixtures (400mb+ currently). one of the consequences is that when I bundle other projects that include this gem, it takes a long time downloading these unneeded fixtures. any ideas to solve this issue?
<jhass>
dipnlik: include a rake task that downloads them, but don't bundle them into the gem
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<jhass>
dipnlik: and maybe make it a file task and have your test runner task have that as a requirement
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<jhass>
honestly, I probably wouldn't have put them into the repository
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<_blizzy_>
well.
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<dipnlik>
jhass: they were put in the repo because they weren’t so big, but now we need to remove them
<jhass>
well, git never forgets, so that part is probably lost
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<jhass>
but for the .gem I'd go the rake task to download it way
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<theRoUS>
i'm building a gem and all the documentation is in markdown for yard. when i install it, however, 'gem install' does *not* say anything about building the yri docs. is there a step i'm missing somewhere? haven't found clews online yet..
<theRoUS>
thanks!
<dipnlik>
jhass: good idea, definitely. will look into that. thanks!
<dipnlik>
jhass: would you store them in S3?
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<jhass>
if you have no other own or rented hardware where it fits, that's a good option, yeah
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<jhass>
theRoUS: no real need to build yard docs on gem install, just gem install yard and yard server -g
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<theRoUS>
jhass: mostly curious because i see *other* gems doing it on install.
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<Fire-Dragon-DoL>
Are there any way to let ruby sleep() sleep forever but terminate cleanly when Ctrl+C is sent?
<Fire-Dragon-DoL>
terminate cleanly: not raise
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<yxhuvud>
jheg: I don't see how downcase could return nil, so I don't see how that is possible unless someone has defined method_missing on nil or some other atrocity. What can return nil however is gsub!, but that would usually emit a stack trace and not a nil.
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<jheg>
hmm thanks yxhuvud i’ll look into it further
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<jhass>
dipnlik: oh, you should tell if you crosspost
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<dipnlik>
jhass: didn’t know that rule, sorry
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<jhass>
at least inform other channels of provided solutions ;)
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<shevy>
we want to learn too!
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<odigity>
I just called .last on an exclusive date range and got the last date, even though it should have been the day before that, because it's an exclusive range
<odigity>
.max does return the correct date -- the one I expected .last to return
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<odigity>
havenwood, that's really ugly. but thanks for the tip. I just tested it, and I can achieve the result I want with r.last(1)[0]
<odigity>
havenwood, I'm stuck in a terrible position. I've decided to use the postgres daterange type to represent a membership period, which can be unbounded for a lifetime membership, which I'm representing with the infinity value. however, postgres only supports date ranges with infinity ends if the range is exclusive on the upper bound. which then gets loaded by rails, and then I run into the ruby Range problem in the opposite direction
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<havenwood>
odigity: does lifetime membership support immortals? that could get expensive.
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<odigity>
havenwood, :)
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<pipework>
havenwood: What if they heroku'd that shit? Made it like a gym membership, where if you don't use it, it doesn't cause problems for the gym?
<havenwood>
odigity: 120 years is a safe bet for 100% mortality, at least these days
<eam>
it's super odd that postgres would support daterange intervals of that length
<eam>
seeing as how they're unmeasurable
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<odigity>
havenwood, called .last(1) on a range with infinity crashes ruby :)
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<odigity>
so annoying!
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<odigity>
havenwood, I'm going to have to monkey-patch in my own method that checks for infinty
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<pipework>
odigity: Just reverse the range and call .first. :P
<havenwood>
pipework: hehe
<odigity>
pipework, I assume you're joking, so I don't think that can work
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<pipework>
odigity: Yes, I'm joking.
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<odigity>
this is really terrible. I don't understand why no one else is stumbling on this
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<pipework>
They usually don't have problems with infinite ranges and trying to get the last item in them?
<odigity>
eam, I think the Range object is supposed to be agnostic to the type of range, and just use the <=> and succ methods. it knows no other way
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<eam>
odigity: interally it constructs an Array when asked for the last element
<weaksauce>
eam it's like writing bubble sort... don't
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<odigity>
eam, so basically, Ruby doesn't have what I need yet. I need to moneypatch in my own pair of methods for getting first/last dates of a date range with support for infinity
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<pipework>
odigity: Rather than monkeypatch, why not just not monkeypatch and just introduce an object?
<eam>
odigity: or just don't deal with infinite time periods
<eam>
the time related structures will be rendered meaningless even just a few hundred years out due to definition issues
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<pipework>
Or alternately, don't deal with getting the last of ranges.
<eam>
not to mention, lifetime memberships won't ever last that long :D
<odigity>
I obviously wouldn't be doing this if my application didn't necessitate infinity membership periods and accessing the last date
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<havenwood>
odigity: 120 years ;)
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<eam>
120 we can beat
<odigity>
pipework, if I introduced a new object, I'd have to override Rails to use it when loading and storing that field
<eam>
1200 oughta do it though
<odigity>
magic values are bad design. infinity is the correct way to express the data
<pipework>
odigity: Or you'd not have to override anything and provide your own object somewhere without overriding things.
<eam>
odigity: the thing is there's not really any such concept
<pipework>
Most of the time, there's a way to do that.
<eam>
because time itself has a limited definition
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<pipework>
eam: It's the lifetime of the universe.
<eam>
it's not though
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<eam>
and there are periods in between which aren't yet defined
<havenwood>
eam: If you have to be 18 to enter into the contract, 120 gives you age 138. Of course not future-proof but nobody is quite that old right now.
<eam>
havenwood: we don't know the time 120 years into the future
<eam>
it's currently undefined
<pipework>
Maybe consider either extending a class, or placing your own object in between what you get from rails and your application code that tries to call #last on infinite ranges.
<eam>
havenwood: 120 years from now UTC may differ by up to 5 minutes :)
<havenwood>
eam: If we achieve biological immortality, I'd expect the courts would modify lifetime warranties to something somewhat shorter.
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<pipework>
So the customer will be upset that their 120 year membership will be 5 minutes short?
<havenwood>
eam: Good point!
<eam>
pipework: 120 years is probably no big deal, but infinity means an infinite amount of skew :)
<pipework>
eam: Sounds like an infinite amount of rather unnecessary time wasted on discussing a pretty simple problem to fix either way.
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<eam>
not to mention we don't really have any rules for adjusting solar time if either the earth or the sun cease to exist
<eam>
since that's what we sync UTC relative to
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<shevy>
eam is hyper-active today
<pipework>
I'm not sure anyone will care in that case.
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<eam>
I just ate a huge bowl of ice cream and fudge
<shevy>
we could move to other suns!
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<shevy>
don't tell me all the energy is just going to dissipate away
<pipework>
shevy - star snuggler extraordinaire!
<shevy>
yay
<shevy>
let's reboot life
<havenwood>
and when bulge dragging tidally locks the earth to the moon...
<eam>
pipework: ultimately I'm just forming an argument that "a long ways out" is just as valid as "infinity"
<eam>
just add a thousand years
<havenwood>
no more spinny
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<pipework>
eam: What if a lifetime doesn't start today, but started infinitely prior to now?
<pipework>
Shouldn't the range be -Infinity..Infinity ?
<shevy>
cells originate from cells!
<shevy>
so there must have always been cells!!!
<pipework>
shevy: Cell phones aren't that old though.
<shevy>
see this part I don't understand
<eam>
pipework: the way we measure time is relative to our current time, so we can't accurately enumerate values after a certain point
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<shevy>
what is the difference between normal Infinity and -Infinity
<pipework>
eam: My lifetime started before now.
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<pipework>
shevy: a sign
<pipework>
One keystroke.
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<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
but aside from that
<pipework>
One heads in one direction of a one-dimensional plane infinitely, the other in the other?
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<shevy>
I never understood the difference between 0/0 and 1/0
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<eam>
ok uh, while we were talking I left (0..Float::INFINITY).to_a running and damn near crashed my laptop
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<shevy>
so now we know
<pipework>
eam: So don't enumerate, silly.
<shevy>
chuck norris > eam's laptop
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<centrx>
SSLv3 disabled
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<jen__>
sorry, I just lost connection…did someone say something?
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<centrx>
jen__, One possibility is that your old version of Ruby (1.8) is trying to connect with SSLv3 but SSLv3 is disabled on the site you are trying to connect to
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<jen__>
ah.. centrx
<jen__>
let me check on this.
<jen__>
would this be in WHM?
<centrx>
Or possibly you need to setup Faraday to handle the site's SSL certificates
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<jen__>
is there a way to disable cert checking for this connection?
<jen__>
we have SSLs installed for specific domains
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<centrx>
I don't know
<jen__>
this is a good start..centrx
<ellisTAA>
can someone take a look at this and tell me why it isn’t working?
<jhass>
ellisTAA: try to find variable names describing what the data represents
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<jhass>
jen__: that error says that the certificate of the host your script is connecting to couldn't be verified. That's either because Ruby (or more specifically the library making that http call) can't find your systems CA bundle or because it uses a self-signed or otherwise invalid certificate
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<jhass>
jen__: side not: Ruby 1.8.7 is EOL, there will be no updates for it, regular nor security wise
<jhass>
*note
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<jen__>
we tried installing 2.2 but quite a bit of errors
<shevy>
try 2.1.5 :)
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<jhass>
1.9.3 has no EOL date yet, so might be a compromise if it works there
<centrx>
jen__, You have to get off 1.8 sometimes and update the syntax/fix incompatibilities
<centrx>
jen__, Especially as you are doing networking things, it's a security risk
<jen__>
guys I know nothing of ruby...
<jhass>
oh wait, actually 1.9.3 will EOL this month
<jhass>
I thought I saw a news for it, but couldn't find it, thanks
<waxjar>
good to know :)
<nunayerBeezwax>
hey, have an ActiveRecord validations question... we want to write a custom error message, by writing on the model "validates :name, presence: { :message => 'custom message'}"... the "custom message" does display to the page, but ActiveRecord adds "Payments credit card Name" to the front of it, and i can't figure out how to kill that. i want to fully define the message, and not have ANY default stuff added... anybody?
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<jen__>
trying to install ruby v 2.2.0 do I need to manually remove 1.8.7?
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<jen__>
sorry for these rather silly questions
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<ecksit>
hey, i am attempting to use an instance variable in order to create a connection and then reuse it - https://gist.github.com/jacobbednarz/6e714cbfc75995587b0b - however i cannot access `@client` from any other methods? can someone tell me why?
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<crome>
ecksit: show some example code where you try to access it
<crome>
and the error you see
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<ecksit>
it doesn't error as such, it's just not returning the value i expect (which is the value from the build_connection method)
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<ecksit>
it is returning nil instead of that block value.
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<crome>
put a debugger in there and see what that faraday block does
<ecksit>
it builds as expected
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<crome>
interesting
<crome>
you assign @client twice but that's not the problem
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<ecksit>
oh of course. let me fix that
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<ecksit>
updated to remove the assignment in the initialise
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<crome>
I would keep the assignment there and remove it from the method
<crome>
you pass in options anyway
<ecksit>
ok
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<crome>
I don't really see why the accessor would return nil, though
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<crome>
what do you see if you inspect the class instance?
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<jen_>
I am a front end coder, this backend stuff is not for me!
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<shevy>
this sounds strange
<shevy>
1.8.30
<shevy>
how can this be jen_
<shevy>
oh I see
<shevy>
you did not mean ruby
<shevy>
you meant "rubygems"
<havenwood>
jen_: RubyGems ships with Ruby but has a different version from Ruby. I think you're right though that you want RubyGems 1.8.X for Ruby 1.8, if you really must use Ruby 1.8 which is past End-of-Life.
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<havenwood>
jen_: What do you get from the command line for: gem which rubygems
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<fedora_newb>
http://pastebin.com/txKmXdkA I cant seem to install redis-dump and not sure what to do, new to ruby here :)
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<jen_>
hi havenwood I was on the phone. Let me check
<jen_>
I need someone to help me with this via TeamViewer.
<jen_>
pls PM me.
<jen_>
this is all over my head.
<jen_>
Never played with Ruby
<havenwood>
jen_: Oh dear. Okay, so the `~/.profile` file doesn't seem to be getting sourced (if you're needing to manually source it). So you can source it from a dotfile that is getting sourced (.bash_profile or .bashrc) or move it to one of those files.
<havenwood>
jen_: I'd suggest also asking in the #rvm channel.
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