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<KLVTZ> patrickholmes: mac osx 2.0.1 i believe on base install
<KLVTZ> mac has ruby 2.0.1 on base install that is
<KLVTZ> at least that's what it was at when i installed yosemite
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<bradland> on my yosemite install, it’s /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/2.0/usr/lib/ruby/2.0.0/irb.rb
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<bradland> however, Ruby --version outputs ruby 2.1.3p242 (2014-09-19 revision 47630) [x86_64-darwin13.0]
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<Areessell> `which ruby`
<Areessell> I'm on Yosemite and `/System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/2.0/usr/bin/ruby --version` outputs `ruby 2.0.0p481 (2014-05-08 revision 45883) [universal.x86_64-darwin14]` for me
<patrickholmes> hyosimetie
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<patrickholmes> yosimite
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<patrickholmes> irb 2.0.0
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<Areessell> Ok?
<Areessell> Soo, yeah. 2.0
<bradland> doh
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<bradland> forgot the ./ when execing
<apeiros_> patrickholmes: why do you ask?
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<bradland> I get this as well: ruby 2.0.0p481 (2014-05-08 revision 45883) [universal.x86_64-darwin14]
<patrickholmes> ei was wondering what was the diffrence between irb and latest ruby you can get off the internet?
<Areessell> Oh, security patches and stuff. You can find a list of updates online
<bradland> i only rely on the system ruby for things that are in Core and Stdlib
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<bradland> as in, i’ve been known to ship some basic utility scripts to end-users who are competent enough to type `munge somefile.txt` in to a terminal
<patrickholmes> can u referme to a link were i can download everything i need for the latest ruby …..anybody?
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<bradland> i recommend using a Ruby manager like RVM or rbenv
<patrickholmes> awere can i find that manger
<Areessell> I use this new fangled contraption that actually searches all of the interconnected websites out there
<patrickholmes> manerger
<bradland> i’m with Areessell. you should google them.
<patrickholmes> Manager
<patrickholmes> Okay
<bradland> the likelihood of yet another RVM vs rbenv debate breaking out goes up with every word we type.
<bradland> and nobody wants that :)
<Areessell> Clearly RVM
<Areessell> =p
<bradland> shot heard ‘round the world....
<bradland> lol
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<shevy> there is no winner if two losers fight one another
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<patrickholmes> What Willthey supply me with
<Areessell> Ruby
<bradland> patrickholmes: the purpose of a Ruby manager is to allow you to run multiple versions of ruby
<bradland> which is a common desire amongst ruby developers
<bradland> ruby comes with something called rubygems
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<bradland> rubygems allow you to download packages of code
<patrickholmes> ok….
<bradland> if you don’t use a ruby manager, all this gets installed to your system in a way that is difficult to remove if you want/need to start over or change at some point
<Areessell> Why even go through explaining this?
<patrickholmes> and i chance download these gyms with I RB
<Areessell> See?
<bradland> hahaha
<patrickholmes> **cant
<bradland> no, IRB is not for installing gems
<bradland> IRB is called a REPL
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<bradland> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read–eval–print_loop
<Areessell> So, I can talk to computers with this REPL? That's what I'm trying to do
<patrickholmes> ok i get it
<bradland> heh, my IRC client links to the Wikipedia page for “Read”
<bradland> hahaha
<dtordable> code
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<dtordable> compile
<dtordable> try
<dtordable> it fails?
<patrickholmes> thank you very much
<dtordable> code more
<bradland> getting oriented is the hardest part
<dtordable> compile a bit
<dtordable> try
<bradland> you don’t know what to ask yet
<bradland> but it will come
<dtordable> and so
<dtordable> lol
<shevy> patrickholmes of course you can also install gems through irb; system 'gem install NAME_OF_GEM_HERE'
* bradland smacks shevy
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<Areessell> I prefer system "rm -rf /"
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<Areessell> That install all Rubies
<bradland> erm
<shevy> that is a lie
<bradland> srsly
<bradland> that’s not cool
<dtordable> rm -Rf is with capitalised R
<dtordable> lol
<bradland> i mean “haha” and all, but not cool
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<bradland> Ruby is beginner friendly.
<bradland> try to remember that
<shevy> can't talk now, have to watch Takeshi's castle \o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfpkrBmpnUA
<bradland> aaaaand there goes 20 minutes of my life
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<shevy> I am just in for the comments
<shevy> "naughty ninnie"
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<shevy> oh it is written with trailing y ... ninny
<shevy> they should redo that and take prominent japanese folks
<shevy> like matz!
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<Wolfram74> so I did a benchmark-ips run, and I'm not sure how to interpret this output http://dpaste.com/1F9JC9M
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<Wolfram74> is the iterations / 100 ms compared with iterations / second different because of ramp up time?
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<bradland> Wolfram74: i wouldn’t think so, because I would assume that both measurements are calculated using the total execution time and total number of iterations, rather than the first 100ms, which would be impacted by ramp up time.
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<bradland> also, i have no idea why they don’t convert directly
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<Wolfram74> but the ratios are clearly different, because i/100ms has ratio of like, 3, 3.5
<Wolfram74> while the other is closer to 5.
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<bradland> it’s a simple mean calculation
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<bradland> can you post the contents of 1.rb ?
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<shevy> How can I redefine an output like this? #<Foo::Bar:0xb81d2f3c
<shevy> I'd want it to be #<Bar:0xb81d2f3c for debugging purpose
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<bricker`work> shevy: Dumb way: super.sub("Foo::", '')
<shevy> ah, in def inspect?
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<shevy> wheee
<shevy> that works
<shevy> seems not dumb but clever or?
<bricker`work> shevy: :)
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<bricker`work> shevy: it's just not very flexible but whatever... if it works then it's not dumb I guess :)
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<shevy> #<Axe:0xb7e96d78 @weight=0, @name="axe", @description="A fine long wooden axe.\n">
<shevy> #<Sword:0xb7e96abc @weight=0, @name="sword", @description="A longsword.\n">
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<apeiros_> you can let inspect return whatever you want
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<apeiros_> I have https://gist.github.com/apeiros/e492ba06a5454d89ea02 in my lib/patches/object.rb to make custom inspects a bit easier to write
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<Vesta4> Hi. Is it possible to install ruby and rails without an internet connection? I'm running Ubuntu in VirtualBox and can't hook up to the internet through wi-fi.
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<apeiros_> Vesta4: should be possible. I couldn't tell you how, though.
<shevy> ah
<apeiros_> but I'd bet there are guides. plenty of prod machines which are not allowed to have net or compilers
<shevy> so those strange 0xb numbers come from (object_id << 1).to_s(16) ?
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<apeiros_> shevy: yes
<shevy> cool
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<KLVTZ> Vesta4: you can't connect via virtualbox to the internet?
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<Vesta4> apeiros_ - I've been looking online for guides, but haven't found anything (or, the google results are not things that I understand, being a little green to ruby and ubuntu)
<KLVTZ> Vesta4: have you selected a NAT connection in the hardware section of your vbox?
<Vesta4> KLUTZ - I've been working in the vbox channel for a couple hours now trying to figure it out. No luck.
<Vesta4> Yes.
<KLVTZ> Hmm, are you on a regular connection. Laptop and connecting to a wirless router?
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<apeiros_> Vesta4: https://rvm.io/rvm/offline might help
<KLVTZ> sorry if my questions seem redundant in comparison to the other channel, just trying to get a better idea
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<Vesta4> Yeah, no problem.
<KLVTZ> Couldn't he grab the source package and then scp the stuff onto the vbox?
<apeiros_> Vesta4: rvm is one of the popular tools used to install ruby. especially concurrent rubies of different versions.
<KLVTZ> so long as you have a broadcast address
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<Vesta4> In fact, I'm only installing on ubuntu in a vm because I couldn't get rails to work on windows 7, and people here strongly suggested the vm approach.
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<Vesta4> I'll take a look at that offline link.
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<KLVTZ> what issues where you facing in windows 7?
<KLVTZ> God, it's been forever since I worked in W7, made the switch to ubuntu and man, my dev environment became so much easier lol
<shevy> don't tell that to jidar KLVTZ ;)
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<Vesta4> The second step on that "RVM in offline mode" is "Download the rvm tarball: curl -sSL https:yada.yada/yada -o rvm-stable.tar.gz"
<Vesta4> I understand that I'll need to download rvm and get it onto the offline machine, but I'm not sure what the Windows equivalent of that curl command is.
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<shevy> yeah the RVM guys probably assumed that nobody uses windows
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<shevy> if I have class Person; end ... can I use a module called Gender, and if I include it, I could also add an instance variable called @gender into class Person?
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<bricker`work> shevy: sure, why not?
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> cool
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<godd2> shevy just make manual getters and setters in the Gender module
<godd2> and every instance of Person will have those available
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<godd2> apparently attr_accessor works just fine inside modules
<shevy> cool
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<shevy> that reads like openstruct
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<aaas> is there a way to push an element into a hash of arrays without initializing the key value? my attempt: https://gist.github.com/jpmorris/682695cab58d05490616
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<godd2> aaas try my_hash = Hash.new {|h, k| h[k] = []}
<godd2> that will instantiate a new array for a key if you haven't asked about it yet
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<godd2> a better name for those vars is Hash.new {|this_hash, unseen_key| this_hash[unseen_key] = []}
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<aaas> godd2 thanks that works....i guess my Hash.new([]) .....actually what would that do then?
<rpag> >> h = Hash.new([]); h[:foo] << 1; h[:bar] << 2
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<rpag> bot seems dead, try that in irb :)
<godd2> aaas that makes all new keys point to the *same* array
<godd2> not a new empty one for each
<aaas> ah ok thanks again
<havenwood> rpag: bot is on Christmas break
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<godd2> I heard he was in timeout
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<rpag> havenwood, well deserved break imho
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<epitron> i'll give it a break when i see it again
* epitron punches his palm a few times
<epitron> WELL DESERVED
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<godd2> If we do Secret Santa, be sure to buy epitron a few anger management therapy sessions
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<shevy> epitron will be the santa?
<shevy> spanking included?
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<shevy> when I have a string like this string = "win+\xDF"
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<shevy> and the encoding is #<Encoding:UTF-8> - how can I put it into something like 'ASCII-8BIT' ?
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<shevy> string.encode!('ASCII-8BIT') fails with in `encode!': incomplete "\xDF" on UTF-8 (Encoding::InvalidByteSequenceError)
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<shevy> "\xDF" should be ß
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<shevy> >> puts "\xDF"
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<shevy> damn
<shevy> so YAML.load_file will always become UTF-8 even when syck is used
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<shevy> seems it worked somehow
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<parabolize> shevy: String#b converts to the correct encoding but the puts doesn't look correct. Same for String#force_encoding('ASCII-8BIT').
<parabolize> >> "\xDF".b.encoding
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<parabolize> "win+\u00DF".b does work
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<Algebr> Anyone around that is familiar with xcodeproj?
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<shevy> odd
<parabolize> shevy: also "win+\xC3\x9F".b or 'win+\xDF'.gsub('\xDF', "\u00DF").b
<shevy> what is that .b() ?
<shevy> ruby changes faster than I can keep up learning new stuff ;P
<parabolize> it converts strings to ASCII-8BIT. No idea why it gets its own function.
<shevy> yeah that is odd
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<unclestoobing> Hi everyone
<unclestoobing> quick question - I'm starting to learn ruby and was just wondering about the best path forward. Anyone have a recommendation on the best way for me to start to learn? Thanks!!
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<_seanc_> There are a few sites that offer lesson: codecademy.com/en/tracks/ruby,rubymonk.com, and tryruby.org are the ones I know of.
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<Algebr> I would say give yourself problems that are slightly above your current level, hard but achievable given effort.
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<unclestoobing> okay thank you for the feedback!
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<parabolize> shevy: I don't think the conversion to UTF-8 is finished. 0x80.chr converts to ASCII-8BIT. That ASCII-8BIT string won't convert to UTF-8 with String#encode('UTF-8'). My understanding (Based on The Well Grounded Rubyist) is anything after 0x7F should automatically convert to UTF-8.
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<parabolize> err.. bad example. 0x80 isn't defined in either. Use 0xA1. 0xA1.chr.encode('UTF-8') #=> UndefinedConversionError: "\xA1" from ASCII-8BIT to UTF-8
<parabolize> pretty sure that should work..
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<Karunamon> what would be the best way to conditionally call .strip on a hash value without having to repeat the name three times?
<Karunamon> h["thing"] = h["thing"].strip if h["thing"]
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<Karunamon> reads really ugly
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<hephaestus_rg> is there a good guide for making my ruby class serializable to and from json?
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<Hanmac> Karunamon: do you want to call it on all values or only on a single one? and if its a single one, can you garant that the value exist?
<hephaestus_rg> so that i can do JSON.parse(string_version) and object.to_json
<Karunamon> only on a single one, and no, they may be nill
<Karunamon> @hanmac
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<Karunamon> which precludes the use of .strip!
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<Hanmac> Karunamon you can do that: but not much shorter h["thing"].strip! if h["thing"]
<Karunamon> hanmac, thanks. Wasn't sure if there was a more clever way
<deryl> shevy oh brudah! I got news for you! No More Windows Needed!
<deryl> gotta love AWS :)
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<Hanmac> Karunamon: if you are using rails or one of its spawns you can use h["thing"].try(&;strip!) or something like that i never use for myself
<deryl> totally forgot about aws!
<Karunamon> hanmac: would self be in the right context here?
<Karunamon> h["thing"].strip! if selef
<Karunamon> *self, that is
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<Hanmac> Karunamon: that try does that for you
<pen> :D
<waxjar> hephaestus_rg: you should mention which json library you're using, i imagine they don't all work the same :)
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<hephaestus_rg> waxjar: i'm just using the 'json' lib
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<waxjar> in the standard library?
<hephaestus_rg> yeah
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<hephaestus_rg> on second thought, it wouldn't really make sense for JSON.parse to be able to manufacture arbitrary objects
<hephaestus_rg> so i'll just use MyClass.from_json(json_string)
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<waxjar> hmm.. annoying that it's not documented. i'm guessing you have to implement #as_json and return an object that can be serialized to json
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<waxjar> http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.5/libdoc/json/rdoc/Time.html serves as a nice example (<3 toggle source)
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<TheRinger_> anyone know why the hell this ain't working.. been on this for awhile now.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/9601775/
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<TheRinger_> anyone awake
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<waxjar> TheRinger: you'll be helper better if you provide some context; expected input, expected output, any error messages, etc
<waxjar> *helped
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<TheRinger_> here is the error message #<CLSearch:0x00000004195830>
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<waxjar> TheRinger_: that's not an error message, that's the representation of your CLSearch instance
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<waxjar> your program executes without errors :)
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<TheRinger_> ok, must just not be finding anything at that xtag
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<kasisnu> Hey. I'm trying to setup bundler for a friend on windows. Ruby 2.15 was installed with the installer at http://rubyinstaller.org/downloads/.
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<kasisnu> Now "gem install bundler" dies with an ssl error. Couldn't find gem.
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<kasisnu> I've manually added the cert file and the environment variable for it. Could I get some debugging pointers?
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<marcules> monring
<marcules> *morning
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<dtordable> shevy!!!!!
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<ponga> hi all
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<i5um41ru> where to find the ruby's library files? puts $LOAD_PATH show nothing
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<workmad3> i5um41ru: which library files?
<i5um41ru> ruby library/class default location
<workmad3> i5um41ru: so stdlib stuff?
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<i5um41ru> the full path location, i want place my own library there
<i5um41ru> under linux/debian
<workmad3> i5um41ru: why not do the normal thing of creating a gem and installing it?
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<workmad3> i5um41ru: otherwise, you could put files in site_ruby/<version> for your ruby install, which should be on the load path
<i5um41ru> I'm new in ruby, actually i'm learning mysql connected to ruby . Btw, how to access ruby command line interface? ruby?
<workmad3> 'ruby' is the interpreter, 'irb' is an interactive command-line ruby prompt
<workmad3> ok, then I'd suggest you use rubygems ;)
<workmad3> also, please make use of the 'mysql2' ruby gem for connecting to mysql
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<i5um41ru> i use dbi when connecting ruby to mysql
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<i5um41ru> i don't know much about ruby yet, btw where to start?
<i5um41ru> thanks workmad3 finally i know where is default library/class of ruby located by typing 'puts $LOAD_PATH' in irb :)
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<certainty> moin
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<ponga> hi certainty
<ponga> oink
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<majeure> :)
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<Timgauthier> merry christmas!
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<gr33n7007h> ho ho ho!
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<gr33n7007h> bah humbug
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<gr33n7007h> Is there a simpler approach to removing commented lines #=> File.readlines('/usr/share/wordlists/nmap.lst').reject{|l| l.start_with?('#') }
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<certainty> that's pretty simple no?
<godd2> simpler? maybe not. more effiecient? yes. don't forget that readlines reads the entire file into memory
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<gr33n7007h> Yes, more effecient, not simpler
<gr33n7007h> my bad
<godd2> as for simpler, *personally* I would name the block variable line, not l
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<apeiros_> File.read(path).gsub(/^\#.*\n/, '')
<godd2> while not technically simpler, it would read better (to me)
<apeiros_> not simpler, but shorter
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<apeiros_> oh, results in a string, not an array of lines.
<godd2> gr33n7007h also, don't forget that if that file was a ruby file, you'd have a bug
<godd2> # can show up at the start of a line and that line isn't a comment
<gr33n7007h> godd2, ah, got ya
<godd2> also, it doesn't remove comments which start after some code, but you may not worry about those
<gr33n7007h> apeiros_, yes thanks, thats better just added a split to the end
<certainty> letting it appear elsewhere complicates things of course as there might be legal places for that token without it being considered a comment character
<gr33n7007h> certainty, it's just a wordlist :)
<gr33n7007h> but I get your point
<certainty> i see i see. And i suspect none of the words can start with a #?
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<gr33n7007h> well I say wordlist it's actually numbers only :)
<certainty> then you could probably reject everything that is not a number
<certainty> where a number can be complicated to recognize
<certainty> depending on the number you accept
<certainty> numbers
<certainty> the point is. maybe whitelisting fits the bill better here
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<certainty> i don't know i'm just thinking out loud
<godd2> I suspect that gr33n7007h created the file and knows that the only exception is a possible # in the beginning of the line
<certainty> :)
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<godd2> but yes your method is good for extension (what if a word cant start with something else?)
<certainty> fun fact. the parser that is used in nagios to parse the configuration used to explode when the comment character didn't start at the very beginning of the line. By explode i mean it generated a parse-error
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<godd2> An error to be dreaded for the ages
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<certainty> it's annoying at the least
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<Daneel> bye bye
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<mostlybadfly> Girlbye
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<gr33n7007h> Errno::EIO: Input/output error - /dev/sr0 why am I getting this error?
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<shevy> gr33n7007h seems scary
<shevy> perhaps the hdd is dead?
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<shevy> what is sr0 actually, is that the cd-rom drive?
<gr33n7007h> Trying to play a prank ejecting the cdrom drive :)
<shevy> do you have some dvd mounted gr33n7007h
<shevy> cool
<shevy> I have this error on some external hdd discs sometimes
<gr33n7007h> CDROMEJECT = 0x00005309; cdr = File.open('/dev/sr0'); cdr.ioctl(CDROMEJECT) but getting the error?
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<shevy> often it meant that it will die sooner or later :(
<livcd> hey guys...can i use File.rename to rename a dir too ?
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<shevy> livcd I just tried it; yes it works
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<gr33n7007h> livcd, You could also use FileUtils#mv
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<shevy> yeah but File.rename has one advantage
<shevy> he wont have to require something extra
<gr33n7007h> true
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<livcd> thx
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<livcd> i am getting a ENOTDIR but that must be a chef's thing
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<gr33n7007h> livcd, then it's not a directory
<shevy> hehehe
<shevy> livcd that error sure enough sounds like ERROR-NOT-DIR :)
<gr33n7007h> livcd, test it with File.directory?
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<clop2> is there any sort of foreign function interface for invoking javascript code from ruby?
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<shevy> clop2 perhaps opal has something like that?
<shevy> http://opalrb.org/ they are on #opal
<Hanmac> clop2: better question is WHY you want to do that when ruby is so much nicer?
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<DefV> main question is what are you trying to achieve
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<clop2> I'm trying to avoid "repeating myself" and reimplementing things in both javascript (client side) and ruby (server side)
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<clop2> opal looks neat, thanks, i didn't know about it
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<bradland> the problem is that the way things are achieved in javascript rarely match up with the way things are (typically) achieved in ruby
<bradland> which is to say, most javascript makes bad ruby, and vice versa
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<shevy> opal!
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<DefV> just like with "code that runs both on iOS and on Android", my advice would be "don't do it"
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<bradland> ^^^ exactly
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<bradland> opal is for Ruby —> JS. for JS —> Ruby you’ll want something like therubyracer: https://github.com/cowboyd/therubyracer
<shevy> weaklings
<bradland> because i’m not one to prevent someone from shooting their face off
<certainty> haha
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<DefV> :-)
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<soahccc> Anyone experienced with portaudio? I would like to loop over all devices (instead of using the default one) but it all just uses ffi somehow and I don't understand how to understand this :D
<bradland> FWIW, this is how sprockets (the Rails asset pipeline) works; by using a JS runtime for compressing JS files.
<bradland> We’re still on Rails 3, and I know it’s changed in 4, but we use therubyracer for our JS runtime.
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<livcd> gr33n7007h: shevy it is a directory
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<bradland> whoever decided to show only the FQDN in the safari 8.0 address bar is a FUCKING moron
<bradland> sry /vent
<ponga> bradland: whoever works for developing safari is fucking moron from the beginning
<ponga> i only use it for the sake of Keychain
<shevy> livcd that is weird, then that error must be wrong
<ponga> perhaps i should just swift from safari to firefox on ALL my devices
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<bradland> livcd: use FileUtils.mv instead
<bradland> it doesn’t care
<livcd> shevy: File.rename(<is_dir>,<is_a_new_name>)
<ponga> bradland: we should at least get the option to toggle on/off aye??
<ponga> fucking MORONS
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<bradland> ponga: looks like it can be turned back on under Settings > Advanced
<bradland> salvation
<bradland> i know where i am again
<livcd> ponga: there is an option
<ponga> for fuck's sake thanks all guys
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<ponga> i never attempted
<ponga> now im saved
<bradland> i thought for sure i was going to have to use `defaults write`
<mostlybadfly> Hi ponga
<ponga> i was outcast in ocean of web lol
<ponga> hi mostlybadfly!
<ponga> good to see in ruby
<mostlybadfly> Yep!
<mostlybadfly> I do more than cook :)
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<bradland> soahccc: so is this ruby library (ffi-portaudio) just a wrapper?
<bradland> sure looks like it
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<soahccc> bradland: there is also ruby-portaudio which is a little wrapper around the ffi wrapper but this doesn't really help that much
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<bradland> soahccc: yeah, i’m digging in to the portaudio docs, and it looks to me like you’re probably going to want to approach this a little differently, because while you’re writing Ruby, you’re not working with a Ruby API.
<bradland> this means that the docs are structured for the native language (C).
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<bradland> i wouldn’t expect the normal convenience of Enumerable-like objects that you can iterate
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<soahccc> I was afraid that this is the case
<bradland> you’re going to want to understand how someone who uses portaudio would accomplish that task, then “port” that over to Ruby
<bradland> it’s going to look really ugly, because the wrappers look really thin
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<bradland> was just browsing that same file :)
<soahccc> I have no idea what line 508 does but probably exactly what I want
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<soahccc> so I just need to do that for all devices :) easy in theory
<bradland> line 508 writes a sine wave with the frequency 440 Hz to the device
<bradland> which will generate a hum
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<soahccc> Fancy math ;) I just need any sort of noise. I want a little helper tool which plays a sound to all devices and does something visual so that I can sync up several sources more easily
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<bradland> that class is the wrapper for Devices within ruby-portaudio
<bradland> so if there were a collection of devices, that’d be where you’d find it
<bradland> i’m not seeing it though. it looks like the lib grabs the default input/output, and that’s it
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<soahccc> I found the part which I now need to translate, yay http://portaudio.com/docs/v19-doxydocs/querying_devices.html
<bradland> yeah, there are two methods you’ll need to work with
<bradland> PortAudio::Device::count
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<bradland> and PortAudio::Device.new(index)
<bradland> lemme throw up some code real quick
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<soahccc> haha, I hear the math now :D
<soahccc> alarm like
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<soahccc> bradland: I might be wrong but if I'm lucky I can just do count.times { ... }
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<soahccc> PortAudio::C.Pa_GetDefaultInputDevice() is 6 while my C.Pa_GetDeviceCount is 10
<bradland> i think the index is zero based
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<bradland> i have nooooo idea if this will work
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<bradland> but in that class, @devices should contain a PortAudio::Device object for each device on your system
<bradland> brb
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<shevy> bored bored bored
<shevy> I don't wanna code
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<certainty> shevy: then leave office and head home
<certainty> you've got my permission
<certainty> now go tell your boss
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<j2p2> coming into work to CI failures is fun~
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<certainty> now go fix it
<certainty> you have my permission
<j2p2> but it’s almost christmas :(
<j2p2> :p
<certainty> :)
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<shevy> certainty hands out a lot of permissions today
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<certainty> shevy: it's christmas time you know
<shevy> and
<shevy> no sorry
<shevy> I meant to type:
<shevy> yes
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<soahccc> bradland: well looping works but if I try to play something on all of them at once coreaudio crashes :(
<bradland> hahaha
<bradland> sorry, hate to laugh
<bradland> but, that’s kind of funny
<bradland> welcome to systems programming
<bradland> everything is covered in infected blood and nails
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<bradland> not sure what your goals are, but i would loop over the devices, playing whatever test you need to play, and `sleep 1` inbetween
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<soahccc> bradland: well the purpose was to sync stuff where a delay doesn't come in handy :) I wonder why there is no app for that (or I'm just to stupid to find it)
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<soahccc> Or there are just to many ios apps for virtual clapperboards
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<bradland> playing to multiple audio devices simultaneously in a way that doesn’t have audio-sync issues is actually a “hard problem"
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<bradland> as in, most generic computer audio systems can’t do it
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<bradland> our ears are very sensitive to phase sync issues
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<bradland> that’s why we can hear intonation (or lack there of)
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<bradland> normally, the splitting of the audio signal is handled after the audio generation device
<bradland> can you tell me a little bit about what you’re trying to do?
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<soahccc> hmm but I guess it will be more accurate than my guessing in FCP :D
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<bradland> based on what i know so far, you want to play audio on multiple devices, but i don’t know what the devices are, and why you want to do that
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<bradland> some context can help tremendously in problem solving
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<bradland> and i fancy myself a master problem solver :)
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<soahccc> bradland: Thinking about it, it wouldn't even help - my idea. If I record stuff I have a lot of individual tracks which are not started at the same time due to me hijacking the sound from several applications. Playing a sound on my devices wouldn't help there :(
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<bradland> i’d start by mixing your audio to a single track
<bradland> check out Audacity
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<bradland> soahccc: another cool utility for these types of projects is called Soundflower. it’s a virtual audio bus. you can direct your applications send audio to Soundflower, then record off of Soundflower’s output, and everything will be mixed to one track.
<soahccc> it's intentionally separated... On windows I couldn't find a way but on Mac there is Audio Hijack Pro. I would be screwed if I just had a single track. Sometimes I even get audio from others to be synced somehow
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<bradland> so you’re trying to capture audio from the device?
<bradland> because it sounded like you were trying to write to the device
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<soahccc> yeah that was the idea but it turns out that it wouldn't work since I capture resp. "hijack" the audio before it hits any device
<bradland> so it sounds like you have multiple audio recordings (in files?), and you want to “sync” them so they all start at the same time. is that correct?
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<bradland> yeah, you have to break this problem down in to parts
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<bradland> the capture part
<bradland> the storage part
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<bradland> the sync/mix part
<bradland> the final output part
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<bradland> for the capture part, you can use Audacity to capture system audio on Windows
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<soahccc> I guess what I want is an (proper) virtual equivalent to a clapperboard. I would need an application that would start all the recordings (even remotely) at the same time. I guess I just do it as I did it ever since... Moving the tracks around till it fits. We have some tricks but they are weird
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<dtordable> shevy: hello, sir
<soahccc> bradland: I was able to do some trivial tasks on windows with VirtualAudioCable but due to the fact that some applications don't stick to original default device or/and don't have options to specify devices it's a pain in the arse. If you find me an equivalent to Audio Hijack for windows I will love you! :D
<shevy> dtordable go learn ruby man
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<bradland> soahccc: i see, so you need an audio/visual cue on the system so you can sync the various audio/video streams later.
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<bradland> why do you need the audio to play on devices though? are you recording in the room with a camera?
<bradland> FYI, Rogue Amoeba (the authors of Audio HiJack) recommend this app: http://www.highcriteria.com
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<bradland> FYI, no one does this: “I would need an application that would start all the recordings (even remotely) at the same time.”
<bradland> they don’t do it because you can’t fix the speed of light problem
<dtordable> shevy: I have to learn how to hand write first!
<soahccc> bradland: no, in that case it would be simple by using a clapperboard. The idea was to play a "piep" on all outputs and inputs just everywhere make a "piep" and in addition a visual thing on the screen(s). With that method I could even sync any (face)cams by pointing it onto the screen while syncing.
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<bradland> ok, that makes sense
<bradland> but why do you need it to play on “all outputs”
<bradland> do you have multiple sound cards in these systems?
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<soahccc> bradland: well even the internet lag will be more accurate than me, don't you think? And this page has a patent for reducing the "lag" to 5µs or something => http://www.uhrzeit.org/atomuhr.php
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<bradland> heh
<bradland> beware of anyone promising to reduce your latency
<bradland> you can’t fix the last mile
<soahccc> bradland: that was my mistake, since I'm capturing multiple applications (+mic) the device doesn't help me here
<bradland> right
<bradland> you want the piep to appear in all recordings (audio and video)
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<bradland> problem is, you can’t “play” to an application
<bradland> unless that application allows you to provide an auxiliary input
<bradland> for example, if you’re using audio hijack to record audio from an application, the “piep” won’t appear in that application’s audio stream, no matter what device you play it on.
<bradland> your capture looks like this
<bradland> [app] -> [audio hijack] -> [system] -> [device]
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<bradland> if you play a piep to the device, you’re already downstream from your capture, so it won’t show up in the recording
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<soahccc> yep so I think I have to do it manually :( But we have tricks. In case of games we smash the space key so that a jump can be synced with the noise of a dying keyboard in the mic input :)
<bradland> yep, you’re pretty much stuck with those kinds of hacks
<bradland> sadly
<soahccc> it's not perfect but it helps a lot
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* soahccc needs an epic piep reaching through all layers, applications, dimensions and universes
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<shevy> soahccc ruby
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<shevy> we should rewrite everything in ruby
<soahccc> bradland: at least I had an introduction into some ffi stuff :) Thank you nevertheless
<shevy> h->n_buckets = new_n_buckets;
<shevy> hh.n_buckets = new_n_buckets;
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<shevy> oh wait I misread
<shevy> h->n* is not the same as hh.n*
<bradland> soahccc: haha, yeah. now you know enough to pray you never have to use it again :)
<shevy> kh_##name##_t hh;
<shevy> that is weird as hell
<soahccc> bradland: SOAP all over again :>
<dtordable> shevy: a question: the book of ruby by Huw Collingbourne is a good start in the ruby issue?
<shevy> dtordable I don't know that book. I read the pickaxe back when I started with ruby
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<shevy> dtordable once you know ruby, books are helping you less
<dtordable> aha
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<bradland> soahccc: just because i can’t leave well enough alone, check this out: https://gist.github.com/bradland/1fb12c1bb67697b8cb4e
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<bradland> to run that script, you’ll need the ffi gem, and the portaudio.rb lib in a subdirectory named lib/
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<jmacdonald> hi. if you had to write a 1 page report that just pulled some data out of a db and displayed it in a table or soething.. would you just write a CGI using ruby or is there a preferred framework?
<jmacdonald> or cgi.rb?
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<jmacdonald> traditionally i'd use php, but i'd like to centralize on ruby.
<bradland> it should cycle through all devices with output channels and play that modulated 440 Hz wave
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<bradland> jmacdonald: if performance is of ZERO consequence, you can use CGI
<bradland> otherwise i’d use sinatra
<jmacdonald> yeah, its inhouse stuff. billing reports and whatnot.
<jmacdonald> tks
<shevy> jmacdonald cgi is simple
<jmacdonald> shevy i'm aware :)
<jmacdonald> i write cgis in bash often enough :P
<shevy> omg
<shevy> bash
<jmacdonald> yeah... it happens.
<shevy> it's about time you switch to ruby
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<shevy> jmacdonald why not php though?
<bradland> i can’t believe shevy just asked that
<bradland> in #ruby no less
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<bradland> your lack of snobbery disappoints me, shevy
<jmacdonald> shevy : cause i know php and barely know ruby. so for now i want to just use 1 tool to get better at it
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<jmacdonald> i did the same with python for some system scripts, but now since i'm doing a lot in Chef, i really just want to use one.
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<jmacdonald> well, bash and ruby. bash ain't going anywhere.
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<alicanyilmaz> Hi guys
<shevy> bradland he may have a use case for php
<shevy> I am not other people :-)
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<bradland> i’m totally kidding
<bradland> :)
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<shevy> I abandoned php for ruby
<shevy> well actually, it was either python or ruby
<bradland> my problem is, i never abandon anything
<shevy> my brain does not work that way
<bradland> i left VBScript for Ruby
<bradland> ha!
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<soahccc> bradland: yeah I modified the portaudio similary. I had to skip device 0 and 1 though since it crashed coreaudio, this way even simultaneously works (as accurate as it gets)
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<bradland> yeah, it seems the device list requires some “curration” in order to work reasonably
<bradland> i don’t even recognize some of the devices on my system, haha
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<dtordable> bradland, shevy I'm abandoning python for ruby!!!!
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<bradland> … believe it when i see it :P
<dtordable> bradland: in around 10 years hahaha
<bradland> hahaha
<apeiros_> weee, arduino time!
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<bradland> apeiros_: i may be receiving one for xmas
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<apeiros_> bradland: bought one ~6mo ago and didn't touch it :(
<bradland> are there any cool ruby tools for interacting with the device, or should i stick to the native tools?
<apeiros_> luckily my bro is over here for christmas and he's much into building stuff like that. so we tinker a bit together :D
<bradland> nice
<shevy> dtordable you don't even use python
<dtordable> shevy: you're now my friend lol
<shevy> you are too lazy to have friends
<dtordable> why? because I don't learn ruby???
<shevy> because you don't learn at all
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<dtordable> shevy: I have to learn how to hand write first
<dtordable> lol
<shevy> you won't
<dtordable> shevy: I know some characters already!!!!!!
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<dtordable> but I need things like the x character
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<dtordable> lol
<shevy> it's lost
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<dtordable> shevy: ok... later in this afternoon I begin with Ruby (the language)
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<shevy> you won't
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<dtordable> oh thanks
<atmosx> Hello
<dtordable> well then I won't
<shevy> yo atmosx
<atmosx> what does 'price sack' mean int he context of an e-shop?
<shevy> we knew that dtordable no need to repeat it a million times
<atmosx> does anyone know? I can't find anything related and google translate doesn't make any sense.
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<shevy> atmosx hmm perhaps abrupt decrease in cost?
<dtordable> shevy: leave me alone while crying
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<atmosx> shevy: that's what I'm thinking too, but I need to be sure
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<shevy> dictionary says "to sack" also means a decrease or rather plummet down dramatically
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<livcd> uhm can i use if else inside when ?
<apeiros_> livcd: you can use any valid statement within when
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<livcd> apeiros_: i have a problem that i never reach an if / else clauses :S
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<gr33n7007h> livcd, show code
<apeiros_> livcd: you'll understand that with "I have a problem", all I can tell you is "but it's possible, so you do something wrong".
<shevy> livcd you can not use if/else/elsif in when; only case variable; when CONDITION; but CONDITION can be a regex too like when /foo/
<shevy> you can use and else after the whens
<shevy> *an else
<shevy> I am typing drunk
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<livcd> gr33n7007h: apeiros_ it's a lot of files let me show you a pseudocode
<apeiros_> livcd: no
<apeiros_> pseudocode is useless.
<apeiros_> write a minimal example which *runs*
<apeiros_> and still exhibits your problem
<shevy> livcd it would be better if you actually finished pasting it somewhere and gave us a link, rather than announcing that you will do so ;)
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<livcd> kk gimme a sec
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<livcd> ah damn no need to..i think i have fixed it
<livcd> nvm
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<livcd> i have closed the if block too soon so the else got mixed up with when
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> now that is the best outcome
<shevy> you answered your own question
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<mitrom> Hi
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<mitrom> http://pastie.org/pastes/9796151/text << could you add anything?
<mitrom> I think i missed something out
<mitrom> I wanted a quick tutorial but my ruby is much to be desired
<mitrom> (writing, not seeking)
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<certainty> i don't get it
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<laudo> how do I get the vallue of an ojects attribute so that i can skip doing type = object.type and then if type == "string". Is there a way of doing if object.type == "string" ?
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<Hanmac> laudo: array.grep(String)
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<Hanmac> laudo: does that help you? i think you should also tell us your ruby version because object.type is very much outdated
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<laudo> hanmac. What I am trying to do is iterate over a hash. For example. I have an object called VM. VM can have an attribute type. Type can be vmware, libvirt etc. So My goal is to be able to compare if vm.type == "vmware" . My ruby version is 1.9.3
<havenwood> laudo: NoMethodError: undefined method `type'
<Hanmac> laudo: hash.select {|k,v| v.type == "vmware" }
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<havenwood> ahh, you've defined type, nvm
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<laudo> hanmac: Thanks so cloud I do something like this? allvm_hash.all.each { |vm| if vm.select {|k,v| vm.type == "vmware" } vm_hash[vm[:name]] = vm[:name] }
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<Fire-Dragon-DoL> when is the right moment for a newbie to read POODR? I have the feeling that if they didn't practice enough, they won't get everything from it and they won't understand the value of it °°
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<bradland> Fire-Dragon-DoL: the great thing about books is that you can go back and read them later to take away even more from them.
<shevy> laudo normally you can just use .select alone over your dataset
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<Fire-Dragon-DoL> bradland: yes but that's usually something they don't do. But you suggested me another thing. I can explicitly tell them to read it once and then RE-read it X time after, that can be a good idea
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<bradland> Yeah, IMO someone would need to have attempted (and failed) building their own classes at least a few times before they could benefit from POODR.
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<shevy> POODLE?
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<arclitgold> i feel that Eloquent Ruby and Well Grounded Rubyist are better resources for noobs... speaking from experience :)
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<shevy> and
<shevy> are you still a noob or are you now a solid rubyist arclitgold
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<bradland> loaded question
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<shevy> well he used good resources
<shevy> so I hope he is no longer a noob
<shevy> bradland what did you use to learn ruby?
<bradland> who says I know Ruby?
<dtordable> shevy:
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<dtordable> look at this:
<dtordable> As you are now reading a book on Ruby, I think it is safe to work on the assump-
<dtordable> tion that you don’t need me to persuade you of the merits of the Ruby language.
<dtordable> shevy: I'm beginning
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<bradland> srsly though. i learned ruby by reading the pickaxe book and reading code.
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<bradland> along the way i’ve read a few (mostly short) books, but most of what i learn I learn by doing or by reading other people’s code.
<arclitgold> shevy: :) I'm less of a noob now
<arclitgold> and continuing to get better, but willing to admit I have a long way to go
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<mylar> Hi is there a ruby debugger that works with modern 2.1.5 ruby and eclipse? Having some difficulties compiling under Debian.
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<bradland> mylar: are you using the built-in? http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.5/libdoc/debug/rdoc/DEBUGGER__.html
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<bradland> and i don’t know if there are any plugins available for eclipse, but using the GUI debugger in RubyMine is HEAVEN
<shevy> dtordable I don't believe you until it really happened
<dtordable> shevy: that really happens
<dtordable> lol
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<dtordable> I read a phrase of a ruby book, shevy, but I'll be busy for a moment
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<shevy> lol
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<mylar> bradland: I am using the Dynamic Languages Toolkit. I think it expects a particular gem.
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<dtordable> Instead I’ll take the somewhat unconventional step of starting with a warmany people are attracted to Ruby by its simple syntax and its ease of use.
<dtordable> shevy: have you seem? I've read the second phrase!
<dtordable> hahaha
<shevy> dtordable a programming language is about code elements
<dtordable> yeah yeah
<shevy> not about fancy and stylistic paragraphs decorating the author in question
<dtordable> lexical analysis and syntactical analysis
<shevy> go read the pickaxe, it was a good book
<dtordable> shevy: it is a free book?
<dtordable> lol
<ddv> bradland, the visual debugger is nice indeed I use IJ ultimate though
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<arclitgold> isn't 1.9 going EOL soon?
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<Fire-Dragon-DoL> yes arclitgold
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<havenwood> Feb
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<shevy> long live old ruby!
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<pontiki> even the old on-line edition is still quite useful if you can't spring for the new version
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<arup_r> How can I stop private method call in this test - https://github.com/aruprakshit/ToDoList/blob/master/spec/list_spec.rb ? Otherwise I am getting error - https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/9271ba3f0658968cad85
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<klmlfl> Don't do a private method call ;)
<arup_r> Yes..
<arup_r> But how should I stop it ?
<tuelz> I need to pass a filename to a plugin, the problem is I only have access to the file's contents. Can I use StringIO to create a file like thingy in memory with a filename and everything then destroy it when I'm done or does StringIO do that?
<certainty> arup_r: that's a NoMethodError
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<arup_r> Yes.. I know..
<arup_r> Because a method is being called..
<certainty> arup_r: which method?
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<arup_r> Should I create Mock object for this test ?
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<certainty> arup_r: you can eliminated the call with allow(subject).to receive(:build_gist_template) ... but i think there should be a better way.
<certainty> eliminate, even
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<arup_r> that will also throw error... as the method is a private method
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<arup_r> ohkay... you are correct
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<arup_r> But yes.. There should be a better approach
<certainty> indeed
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<certainty> the point is that :build_gist_template is a secret the tests shouldn't know
<arup_r> yes
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<certainty> in fact an object using the API shouldn't know it
<certainty> arup_r: one way would be to inject the thing that does the gist
<certainty> it can be a ducktype responding to to_gist
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<arup_r> went above my head.. :(
<certainty> the fact that it receives the template object which captures the binding looks smelly
<certainty> arup_r: can you explain shortly what the responsibility of the class List is?
<arup_r> sure
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<arup_r> List is any kind of list of objects... Currently it is a list of Tasks...
<arup_r> Now.. This class.. will convert the list of objects to either Excel/Gist/XML template... Currently I implemented the Gist only
<arup_r> Is it enough ?
<certainty> yeah. Currently it does nothing with the things. Is that going to change?
<arup_r> It is a Export kind of thing
<arup_r> Thus I put it inside the Export module
<arup_r> No.. It does..
<arup_r> Currently it is converting to gist.. that's why to_gist
<arup_r> Later I will add to_xml and to_excel
<certainty> ok and the only thing it's ever going to do is converting the things to gist, spreadsheets, etc?
<arup_r> Correct
<certainty> so it's converter?
<arup_r> humm.. for now it is..
<certainty> ok
<arup_r> Never know future(Sandi Metz) :)
<certainty> hehe
<certainty> ok at a first shot consider the following interface suggestion (and keep in mind that i had a glass of rum already)
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<arup_r> ohh :p
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<arup_r> Your advices are always alcome
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<wasamasa> arup_r: why did you call yourself arup_rakshit on stackoverflow?
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<arup_r> Is it ?
<wasamasa> is there some hidden meaning in it I'm missing?
<arup_r> I'm not getting you
<arup_r> :(
<certainty> arup_r: create a class for every kind of conversion strategy and pass in the list
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<wasamasa> it ends with "shit"
<arup_r> lol
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<certainty> it's the other way around
<wasamasa> to put it bluntly
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<arup_r> certainty: Nice idea..
<certainty> that allows you to test the things you want without knowing about private matters since you can pass in anything that quacks like your list
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<certainty> later you might want to introduce a factory of some sort to make the interface smaller and also reduce the things you need to know about
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<arup_r> certainty: Can you put a draft in the Gist,,, and from there I will take forward,, your idea is sweet although
<certainty> it may be prone to violate tell-don't-ask but that can be mitigated i think
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<certainty> gah, i didn't highlight correctly
<certainty> brb
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<certainty> arup_r: as indicated it is probably enough for the list thing to respond to #each. The items must probably adhere to some protocol as well. Idk
<certainty> wasamasa: o/
<bradland> \o
<bradland> stole that one
<wasamasa> noo
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<certainty> heh bradland
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<bradland> like a ninja
<bradland> that’ll teach you guys to leave your high fives lying around :)
<certainty> :)
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<arup_r> certainty: Thing is I need to supply _binding_ object
<certainty> arup_r: what for?
<arup_r> as ERB#result needs it
<arup_r> as per the documentation
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<certainty> arup_r: yeah but what are you using it for. I usually do it with an object with the single purpose of providing it's binding. Something like RenderContext.new(things_to_be_made_available).get_binding and use that with ERB
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<certainty> that way you can easily sandbox the rendering
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<certainty> (if you ever desire)
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<arup_r> certainty: #get_binding ?
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<bradland> the binding you want to pass is entirely dependent on what is needed inside the template
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<bradland> the class certainty is suggesting is something you would write. RenderContext would do what its name suggests: provide binding context for a template.
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<arup_r> ok..let me think
<certainty> arup_r: that's the method i usually use to return the binding
<arup_r> I think I got the point
<certainty> also bradland already explained it. thanks
<bradland> cruising over the Binding docs might refresh the noggin as well: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.5/Binding.html
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<shevy> is certainty trying to learn something
<bradland> there’s a great summary up front
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<certainty> shevy: never!
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<arup_r> Where you generally keep this class ? Looking for a place.. It should be inside the Converter
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<certainty> arup_r: it depends. Most of the time it's a nested class
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<certainty> in may cases
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<arup_r> In my case Inside the Gist?
<certainty> could be yes
<arup_r> ohh!
<apeiros_> ok, arduino is fun. I wish my C++ was not so completely gone, though :)
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<bradland> apeiros_: i’m so completely terrified that i won’t be able to get my arduino to do _anything_
<certainty> apeiros_: what are you using it for?
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<atmosx> apeiros_: what kind of project did you do?
<arup_r> Not understanding why the separate class is needed?
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<arup_r> ReaderConext
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<apeiros_> certainty: currently I make puny LEDs obey my orders ;-)
<certainty> arup_r: because seperation of concerns and SRP
<apeiros_> certainty: just playing with the starter kit
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<tuelz> I need to pass a filename to a plugin, the problem is I only have access to the file's contents. Can I use StringIO to create a file like thingy in memory with a filename and everything then destroy it when I'm done or does StringIO do that?
<certainty> apeiros_: nice. I bought it some time back and didn't do anything with it yet
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<apeiros_> certainty: yeah, same here
<apeiros_> certainty: luckily my brother came over for christmas, so we're tinkering together :D
<certainty> i should probably get it out again
<certainty> sounds like fun
<rpag> tuelz, you can use StringIO to create an IO-like thingy, but it won't respond to .path
<apeiros_> certainty: yeah, do that! it's really easy to get started. the kit is IMO excellently done.
<tuelz> I've also looked at mmap, but on osx that would require some recompilation of libs with different compile flags. If I'm having to do that I feel like there's a good chance my plugin won't be very portable
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<certainty> tuelz: you can make it respond to patg though
<bradland> arup_r: do you use any variables within your ERB template?
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<certainty> or create a facade that delegates and provides the #path method
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<waxjar> tuelz: there's Tempfile?
<tuelz> certainty: I tried that, the tilt template engine actually does a file lookup. I was hoping I could make that file lookup point to my content somehow
<tuelz> waxjar: tempfile works fine, I don't want to write to disk if possible though
<apeiros_> certainty, atmosx: ultimately I'd love to build a usb/bluetooth password "dongle". no idea whether I actually will, and if I do, whether it's really arduino
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<bradland> tuelz: the problem with libraries that want file paths is that they’re probably going to File.open
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<certainty> true thing
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<atmosx> apeiros_: I see, nice
<tuelz> bradland: yeah wtf were they thinking?! (sarcasm text mode)
<tuelz> :p
<certainty> apeiros_: something like yubikey?
<bradland> there’s no method for passing in a template string? only filepath?
<bradland> that’s nuts
<apeiros_> certainty, atmosx: also I'd love to throw out the current fan in my bathroom and replace it with something more intelligent, sensor + clock driven.
<certainty> apeiros_: that should be doable
<apeiros_> certainty: yeah. but with a screen and being able to store multiple passwords.
<certainty> i meant to control my reptile boxes with that
<atmosx> certainty: well theoretically everything is usuable.
<apeiros_> certainty: main problem will be to get fitting parts
<atmosx> certainty: err sorry, doable
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<apeiros_> 3d printers will help *a ton* with making a suitable casing
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<tuelz> bradland: I can make a stringIO but then when the engine does a file lookup it's not going to find an IO object in memory I guess
<bradland> this is my parents’ xmas light display. i want to set up an arduino to control some animatronic stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET155cyES90
<apeiros_> certainty: http://www.adafruit.com/product/661 looks like the display I'd want to use
<certainty> my boss has a 3d printer. But the only thing we did so far was printing yoda's head
<bradland> tuelz: right, anything asking for a path is just going to pass that to File.open, or readlines, or whatever they use internally
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<apeiros_> I just wish it didn't have the large border
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<bradland> i’m looking at the Tilt docs now. i can’t believe there’s no way to pass a template string
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<apeiros_> certainty: one girl I follow uses hers to print, um, adult toys :D
<certainty> eww nifty
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<bradland> tuelz: what sub-class are you using? HamlTemplate?
<apeiros_> technically only the negative
<waxjar> Tilt should allow that.. Sinatra uses Tilt iirc and you can define your templates in DATA part of your script
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<arup_r> But what if I want to send it template dynamically
<bradland> tuelz: looks like you can pass a block that returns the template data
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<certainty> arup_r: the rendercontext doesn't do anything yet? What data are you accessing in the template?
<certainty> arup_r: how do you mean? The file?
<certainty> (path rather)
<arup_r> From List I will send the tasks.........
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<certainty> arup_r: then maybe provide an items method or something? I don't know your exact needs :)
<arup_r> that file contains the erb template
<bradland> By default, template data is read from the file. When a block is given, it should read template data and return as a String. When file is nil, a block is required.
<certainty> and you want the path to be dynamic? arup_r
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<tuelz> bradland: awesome looking into it
<arup_r> User will create the export button..
<arup_r> all task lists will be sent
<tuelz> I'm trying to use slim which further complicates it because I can't find docs and apparently they use their own embedded tilt engine
<bradland> all Tilt template engines inherit from Template, which is where that constructor doc link I posted links to.
<bradland> so even if they use their own, that is pretty core
<bradland> so it should be the same
<arup_r> then a file which contains an erb tag... will be complied by the ERB engine and final erb output will be sent to the GitHub gist
<bradland> you won’t need to do any StringIO stuff either
<tuelz> bradland: I have no idea how I missed that, thanks a lot
<bradland> you bet
<tuelz> I spent too much time reading slim docs and not enough time reading tilt's
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<certainty> i like slim docs
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<certainty> better than the fat ones
<bradland> i had the benefit of not knowing you were using slim at all lol
<arup_r> certainty: did you get me ?
<certainty> arup_r: oh wait sorry. let me read
<certainty> arup_r: alright. That should still fit the current design, no?
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<bradland> tuelz issue brings up a good question about something i’ve run in to before
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<arup_r> yes..
<bradland> if you scroll all the way down to Configuring Slim, you’ll see reference to Slim::Template.new, but there’s no Template class documentation.
<bradland> how does one figure out where Template comes from?
<arup_r> class Gist became large enough..
<arup_r> cetainty: ^^
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<certainty> arup_r: yeah but that's ok. Implement other converters and pull out classes if you need to share functionality
<tuelz> bradland: exactly my problem :p
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<certainty> bradland: you mean other that grep'ing the sources?
<certainty> than
<tuelz> bradland: It works now btw. You're todays internet hero. I've got a picture of you on my refridgerator now
<bradland> heh
<bradland> booya!
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<bradland> certainty: heh. my git clone is just about worn out by now for that _exact_ purpose.
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<bradland> “let’s download this thing and see what the hell is actually going on.”
<arup_r> ok
<tuelz> grepping code is for people who know how to code.
<certainty> i do that alot
<arup_r> thanks
<certainty> not that i know how to code
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<bradland> i like it because it looks like i’m working
<arup_r> Let me organize now
<bradland> lol
<tuelz> I just spoke a law into existence. Apparently you didn't know you could code
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<shevy> are you guys slacking again
<certainty> arup_r: yw.
<shevy> tomorrow is x-mas, don't say you can use that day to code
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<certainty> shevy: i hope to receive some nice presents in code
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<certainty> a nifty algorithm to optimize in the evening when kids are playing with their drones
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<certainty> ok i do neither. I can not optimize algorithms and my kids don't have drones. The rum speaks out of me
<certainty> Template = Temple::Templates::Tilt(Slim::Engine, register_as: :slim)
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<certainty> bradland: there you go
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<bradland> Yeah, there’s a hint at the beginning of that configure section. It mentions Temple.
<bradland> Which, if you dig, begins to reveal how it works.
<certainty> ui it accepts s-exps
<certainty> i like it
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<arup_r> certainty: means?
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<arup_r> yw??
<certainty> arup_r: you're welcome
<arup_r> ohh! short form :)
<certainty> yeah
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<arup_r> Now.. I am able to test the List class.. Worried about how to test the Converter::Gist :(
<arup_r> brb
* Hanmac is currently liking "dd"
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<certainty> arup_r: you can pass in a List ducktyüe
<Fire-Dragon-DoL> is it bad if in a test I stub a private method?
<certainty> ducktype i.e. a double
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<certainty> Fire-Dragon-DoL: generally speaking yes, since you have to know about its existance
<certainty> however private methods can change/disappear
<Fire-Dragon-DoL> true, I'm too lazy to stub the other stuff, sigh
<certainty> hanmac: i read that as: currently linking dd
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<arup_r> in Rspec can I write something like expect(foo).to receive(:meth).with(one_argument).. something lije that?
<Hanmac> certainty: no, i am not that crazy ... yet ... but i have a broken raid and i copy the partions as images on my disk
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<certainty> hanmac: you may want to skip badblocks
<certainty> i forget the option for it
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<certainty> i found that sometimes dd didn't help much. I resorted to rsync. Which might get slow on corrupt disks but may still be able to save the majority of the data
<Hanmac> certainty: hm maybe but the raid partiions itself are not broken, its about the metadata inside of them
<certainty> ah ok
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<certainty> i thought it was the actual data
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<Hanmac> and i already have installed a new system, so i cant insert all the old drives at once, thats why i need to copy the images of the partions on my pc first
* certainty remembers using dump and restore
<certainty> vintage these days
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<Hanmac> certainty: i dont know if i already did tell you about it, but my problem is that inside of the raid was an lvm ... and the lvm metadata did died ... means the data is still there ... but it cant find the partitions anymore
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<certainty> hanmac: hmm will cloning it help then?
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<certainty> ah there is vgcfrestore
<Hanmac> certainty: thats what i try ... clone the partions as images on my disk, connect the images as new raid, and then search the connected data after partitions ...
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<certainty> i never had that before
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<Hanmac> and no vgcfrestore might not work, because the backup files where on the lvm too ... (and i did try to reinstall the lvm metadata so it also does not fit anymore)
<certainty> oh fun times
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<Hanmac> the cruel thing: when i do "grep something /dev/md/system" i can read my old data ... but i cant access it anymore
<Hanmac> and no i did try to find old lvm metadata, but none of them was fitting
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<bashusr> if i add a gem to my gemfile that requires other gems, when i do bundle install does it install all the depedencies?
<bradland> yes
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<bradland> bashusr: when `bundle install` finishes, have a look inside Gemfile.lock.
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<Timgauthier> Merry Happy Christmastime
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<arclitgold> u too!
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<dtordable> well
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<pwnz0r> can anyone reccomend a good starting point for learning ruby (not rails) if i am already an experienced programmer. im looking for something that will teach the power of ruby not for loops etc.
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<GaryOak_> pwnz0r: Build a project you are interested in and work through each step
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<bradland> pwnz0r: have you looked at ruby at all yet? as in syntax.
<pwnz0r> ya ive been playing around with it a bit
<pwnz0r> using blocks and such
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<pwnz0r> iterators but thats about it. i have been working through some university assignements i found online, but the class is for newbs pretty much and not aimed at teach the ruby language
<bradland> pwnz0r: build a gem: http://guides.rubygems.org
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<bradland> srsly, it is a great way to learn some cool Ruby patterns
<bradland> i love that you’re starting with Ruby, not Rails too
<pwnz0r> alright ill check that out
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<bradland> another good exercise is to refactor a shell script or two
<pwnz0r> ya well i was going to start a rails project. thats the end goal. but id rather not cut corners
<bradland> yeah, you’ll definitely benefit from starting with pure Ruby
<pwnz0r> id rather learn the language, then the tools
<pwnz0r> exactly
<bradland> helps get your head around gems, how Ruby uses the load path, etc
<pwnz0r> so building is gem is a good excesize then.
<pwnz0r> anything else i might want to do?
<bradland> yep
<shevy> show your code and lets us bitch about it
<bradland> maybe even before you build a gem
<bradland> refactoring a shell script to use ruby
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<rpag> shevy, whats your github
<pwnz0r> i dont really have any shell scripts on my machine not at work that i use much
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<rpag> i want to bitch about your code
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<bradland> code review on shevy’s github, GO GO GO
<shevy> rpag https://github.com/shevegen but I don't use git
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<rpag> what do you use?
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<shevy> my text editor
<shevy> :>
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<certainty> i don't get the pipe thing
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<shevy> rpag my gems are on https://rubygems.org/profiles/58718
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<vvivv> i installed passenger for nginx https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails#Apache.2FNginx_.28using_Phusion_Passenger.29
<shevy> certainty you haven't used avisynth yet have you?
<certainty> shevy: nope
<vvivv> but cannor run nginx
<shevy> certainty how about windows powershell?
<vvivv> when run 'systemctl start nginx' , it gives error 'cannot find nginx'
<certainty> shevy: nope
<vvivv> could you help?
<bradland> vvivv: wrong channel
<ericwood> vvivv: #rubyonrails
<vvivv> need register
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<shevy> certainty k - the idea of the pipes is to put together arbitrary objects, apply filters as you wish such as on http://avisynth.nl/index.php/First_script and combine this with both an approach usable like in traditional unix pipes and windows powershell
<certainty> shevy: what does it do?
<certainty> ah there it comes
<vvivv> i forgot password
<bradland> if you can’t start nginx, you have an OS issue
<shevy> avisynth can be used to modify audio and video data
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<shevy> for instance, you can easily put up a logo or blur out parts of the video using scripts alone
<pwnz0r> just register
<pwnz0r> its takes seconds...
<pwnz0r> make a new gmail if you must
<certainty> shevy: the thing i don't understand is, if this thing processes text or is some kind of embedded DSL?
<shevy> certainty well just like you use a unix pipe right? "cat *.txt | nl"
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<shevy> avisynth actually has to be used through something like virtualdub http://www.virtualdub.org/
<shevy> that kinda semi-sucked because it defeated the purpose of scripts :\
<shevy> but on windows it is acceptable
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<certainty> shevy: i'm still confused :) so i can pipe together objects and one processes the result of the other?
<shevy> yes
<certainty> i see
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<shevy> when you are on windows one day
<shevy> and have some time
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<shevy> give avisynth + virtualdub a try (actually, avisynth has been superseded by http://www.vapoursynth.com/ )
<shevy> the problem is - vapoursynth is written in python3 :\ :/
<shevy> actually
<shevy> that script example is worse than avisynth
<certainty> shevy: is this some video processing thing?
<shevy> so it even is a downgrade... hehehe
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> but the idea behind it is awesome
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<shevy> just like you could use imagemagick to modify images on the commandline
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<arclitgold> here's a question - we do quite a bit of systems programming.. i've found a gem called "system" but it hasn't been touched in 2 years
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<shevy> arclitgold perhaps abandoned
<arclitgold> any other system gems that would provide CPU/DIMM/dmidecode, etc info?
<arclitgold> shevy: that was my thought
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<eam> rubygem best practices is to use a name entirely unrelated to the function of the software
<bradland> does ohai do any hardware level detection?
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<shevy> lol
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<arclitgold> bradland: looking at ohai now...
<majeure> Err, ohai?
<bradland> arclitgold: looks like CPU only as far as hardware: https://docs.chef.io/ohai.html
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<arclitgold> bradland: ya - i think you're right
<certainty> there is also facter
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<bradland> so, our software product is an online reverse auction tool for “enterprise™” procurement
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<bradland> we decided to do sound effects for the holiday, and OF COURSE we used the inception horn for 1st place turnovers
<bradland> so every time someone takes over 1st place, i hear the inception horn
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<arclitgold> certainty: interesting.... not sure how much hardware info it will spit out
<bradland> scares the SHIT out of me every time lol
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<arclitgold> bradland: hahaha
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<arclitgold> certainty: facter spits out quite a bit of info, but not a ton of hardware stuffs
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<certainty> arclitgold: yeah i wondered how much you needed. facter allows to be extended. I don't know what you need. You can probably parse dmidecode output to add facts
<dtordable> shevy: I'm not touching Ruby!
<certainty> depends on your needs. We did a standalone thing that operated on dmidecode input as one source
<shevy> dtordable I know
<arclitgold> certainty: nice - yeah dmidecode output would be helpful for sure
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<arclitgold> perhaps this is a good opportunity to write a simple lightweight gem?
<arclitgold> hmmm
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<certainty> arclitgold: yeah probably. We didn't find any gem that did the job
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<arclitgold> gotcha
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<arclitgold> yeah, I'm coming up cold
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<certainty> arclitgold: also there is lshw which can output json data iirc
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<certainty> the problem we faced was that we didn't have all these tools available on all systems
<certainty> curse you! legacy!
<arclitgold> certainty: hehe yeah legaaaccyyy fuuuuuuuu. And yeah you're right about lshw
<arclitgold> great point
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<bradland> hardware detection is always platform dependent
<bradland> it’s probably the next worst thing to browser feature detection lol
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<arclitgold> bradland: yeah agreed...
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<Timgauthier> oh man guyz, i know why everyone goes and does iOS stuff, i'm playing with swift and starting to learn
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<Timgauthier> and dragging a controller into the code and having it become a variable at the approprate scope is... unf
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<bradland> Timgauthier: Swift - More magic than Ruby on Rails.
<bradland> damn, i forgot the ™
<Timgauthier> haha :P
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<Timgauthier> Swift - More magical then Ruby on Rails ™
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<bradland> it is an absolute miracle that i ever deploy a rails app
<bradland> i mean, i know i can do it, i’m just not sure i know how it is that i can do it
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<shevy> you are a railser
<shevy> Timgauthier is a phper
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<bankair> how do you call someone who check its hardrive integrity under linux ?
<bradland> man, so many ways to interpret that question
<bradland> do you mean literally what do you call the person who does that?
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<bradland> or by someone do you mean the name of an application?
<bankair> I'm so ashamed of that pun ...
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<bankair> a fscker
<bankair> sorry, guys
<bradland> ooooooooooh my
<bradland> lol
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<bradland> this is IRC, where language barriers abound.
<bradland> i thought for sure we were going to need a translator
<epitron> the riddle has been solved!
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> I would have required a translation
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<shevy> ok guys
<shevy> is it 24th already
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<shevy> oh here is a question
<shevy> what syntax would be nice to put A into B namespace?
<shevy> let's say: class A; module B
<shevy> well, vice versa
<shevy> but I was thinking of an alternative syntax
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<epitron> shevy: wat
<shevy> epitron well for instance
<shevy> right now you have to do this:
<dtordable> shevy: I kno how to do a Hello World program
<shevy> module B
<shevy> class A
<shevy> epitron that means you would have to indent with 4 spaces inside of class A right?
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<shevy> dtordable show the code
<epitron> ok
<dtordable> def saysomething
<dtordable> puts( "Hello" )
<dtordable> end
<dtordable> lol
<dtordable> xDDDDD
<epitron> how about: module B; class A
<epitron> now you can use 2 chars
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<shevy> dtordable was this a 'Hello World program'?
<shevy> epitron a moment, I lost you there
<shevy> oh
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<shevy> epitron I mean when you add a method to class A
<shevy> you would have to indent 2 levels right?
<dtordable> shevy: nah, simply I read it on the book
<shevy> dtordable the World part is missing in your example
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<shevy> and you don't need the ()
<epitron> shevy: I used a semicolon
<epitron> they are on the same line
<epitron> no inventing necessary
<epitron> indenting
<shevy> let's not invent
<dtordable> whatever... I'm going to sleep
<shevy> :-)
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<shevy> epitron right but in a .rb file you would normally use a newline rather than a semicolon
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<epitron> right, but you were just about to invent new syntax
<epitron> you can use existing syntax
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<shevy> yeah that is fine
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<shevy> the thing is - module B here in this example often does not have a lot of stuff going for it
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<shevy> the interesting parts will all be defined onto the class, whereas module B just serves as the namespace of the project
<epitron> such is the nature of namespaces
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<epitron> do you want a namespace operator?
<shevy> well
<epitron> class A; namespace B?
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<shevy> what annoyed me were the 2 indent-levels
<epitron> so don't indent twice
<shevy> hehe
<epitron> who cares
<shevy> but then I am not consistent!
<epitron> use a semicolon
<epitron> new syntax is even less consistent
<shevy> there has got to be another way
<epitron> that's inconsistent with Ruby's compiler
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<epitron> you can use class B::A if B is already defined
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<epitron> and you don't care about the external closure
<shevy> hmm
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<bweston92> Can anyone help me understand why this doesn't work http://www.codeshare.io/37XP5 line 29. Calling a module method from another method in same module.
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<shevy> it's not known on the same level bweston92
<shevy> btw that is annoying
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<shevy> while trying to read it, someone edits it
<bweston92> Sorry
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<epitron> it's pretty sweet imo
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<bweston92> Until someone wipes it all :p
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<epitron> hah, sorry, that was my fault
<epitron> i tried to select something on my phone, and it typed a char
<epitron> lol
<epitron> there's no undo?
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<epitron> that's pretty terrible
<epitron> is that the only copy you have?
<bweston92> No idea on phones, aha
<bweston92> I put it back
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<bweston92> I don't understand extend self... how does that work? surly it knows about self?
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<epitron> "exend self" makes all instance methods into class methods
<epitron> Kernel does that
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<epitron> it was a joke
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<epitron> i'm not sure what context sinatra evaluates the 'app.before' block in
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<bweston92> Ok I'm asking on Sinatra IRC too.
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<bweston92> Thanks for your time
<epitron> "runs before all requests within the same
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<epitron> # context as route handlers"
<epitron> so, is your module mixed into route handlers?
<epitron> wait..
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<epitron> heh, yeah, i dunno :)
<epitron> not interested in learning sinatra's internals at the moment
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<bweston92> I have no idea, I'm a Ruby/Sinatra/Rails newb
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<epitron> so you didn't write this code?
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<bweston92> I did yes
<bweston92> I just don't know how it works behind the scenes
<epitron> that would make it hard to write, i'd imagine
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<bweston92> This is very different from PHP/Python aha :)
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<zenspider> it's easy enough to see where app.before works. put a 'p' statement in it, and fire up the app.
<zenspider> can an op ban picassoo as well?
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<zenspider> apeiros_: ^ ?
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<bweston92> zenspider: A `p` what would that do exactly?
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<zenspider> better: copy the last 2 banlist items from #ruby-lang
<zenspider> bweston92: if you want to see where it is being triggered, trigger it
<zenspider> fire up the app. does it print then? does it print on each page load? etc.
<bweston92> Ok, I will give it a shot
<epitron> bweston92: "p <thing>" is the same as "puts <thing>.inspect"
<bweston92> Ok :)
<zenspider> right. sorry. it's the programmer's puts
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<dts|pokeball> hey guys... im learning jekyll and got this: https://bpaste.net/show/3c4572f68ca3 is this an issue?
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<havenwood> dts|pokeball: apt-get install -y ruby19-dev
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<dts|pokeball> ty
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<dts|pokeball> E: Unable to locate package ruby19-dev
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<havenwood> dts|pokeball: what version of what distro?
<dts|pokeball> 14 of ubuntu
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<havenwood> dts|pokeball: ruby1.9.1-dev
<dts|pokeball> ty
<havenwood> yw
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<epitron> hmm... if i'm trying to monkeypatch an existing method, using alias_method is a good way of keeping the old method around so i can use it still
<epitron> that pollutes the namespace though
<epitron> is there a way to not pollute, while still being able to access it?
<epitron> should i make it private, maybe?
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<rpag> epitron, you can use method(:foo) & closures.
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<rpag> x = method(:foo); define_method(:foo) { x.call }
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<epitron> yeah... i heard that method has a pretty big performance penalty though
<rpag> haven't noticed that
<rpag> never benchmarked it though
<rpag> adios picassoo
<apeiros_> there you go zenspider
<epitron> matz and evan phoenix were talking about it
<shevy> yeah it was sometimes mentioned that .call isn't the fastest
<epitron> calls on UnboundMethods were the least fastest :)
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<epitron> i'll just make it private
<rpag> how does making it private solve the problem?
<waxjar> i never really understood why you would want to keep around the original method
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<epitron> rpag: namespace is less polluted
<epitron> (mildly)
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<shevy> waxjar so that you could restore the default behaviour again
<epitron> waxjar: performance, in this case. it's implemented in C
<epitron> i'm hacking Array#* :D
<waxjar> eeew :P
<crome> I like it how ruby makes it so easy, almost desirable, to come up with the most horrible solutions for random problems
<crome> as if it were a contestt
<epitron> waxjar: it's neat! i can now do: [1,2,3] * [4,5,6] and get the cartesian product
<epitron> or [1,2,3] ** 2
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<epitron> i wish i could remember what i was originally trying to solve :)
<waxjar> haha
<epitron> oh yes, i was just solving permutations problems for fun
<rpag> crome, what's horrible about it?
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<epitron> i wonder if i can define a method called ×
<epitron> that would be even better
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<waxjar> you can pick any name you like
<rpag> you can but you won't be able to call it witout send.
<rpag> without
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<waxjar> but you'll likely end up using #send to call it :p
<rpag> echo echo
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<waxjar> :p
<epitron> aww
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<candlefactory> 20% more java, 80% more wax
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