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* jhass
still thinks "%.2f€" % [0.123] is most likely enough for him
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<tastycode>
If I needed to override Kernel#fail, should i alias out raise or fail? documentation seems clear, I would suspect override raise (since its rb_f_raise) and fail is just aliased to raise ?
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<graft>
wat
<jaequery>
hi guys, what's the best way to do something like this? test = if_empty(something['a']['b']['c']) ? 'it is empty' : something['a']['b']['c'] ?? any way to make that cleaner and more ruby like?
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<waxjar>
jaequery: what do you mean by empty?
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<graft>
jaequery: something['a']['b']['c'] is asking for a nil nomethoderror
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<jaequery>
grat: so , how would you do it?
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<graft>
jaequery: it would help if i had more context. why are you storing things in a nested hash anyway?
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<graft>
jaequery: that's probably your first mistake.
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<jaequery>
i just have data = fetch_data_from_api() , and im structuring output with it: company = { :name => data['company']['name'] } , but sometimes, company might not be there
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<graft>
jaequery: so what's the proper behavior if company is not there?
<tastycode>
you could make the argument that some object is going to be deeply coupled into the structure of that hash .. and you should have some sort of other object managing the concerns of the structure of that hash and insulating the system using that against uncertainties about the hash structure
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<jaequery>
just be empty string , even null would be fine as long as it don't halt the code
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<jhass>
tastycode: curios, why do you need to override Kernel#fail?
<graft>
jaequery: so in that case, company = { :name => nil }?
<jaequery>
yes
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<graft>
jaequery: why not do company = Company.new data['company'] ?
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<jaequery>
i just have a very simple output i want it to look, and, i dont wanna create a codebase full of if/else checks, i wanna do it all inline in the output hash im building
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<graft>
jaequery: well, you can do that, but that's probably the wrong way to do things
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<graft>
jaequery: your code will be shit, it will break all the time, and people who have to maintain it after you will curse your name
<jaequery>
i wanna just do something like this:
<jaequery>
how bout like, res = { :name => get_stuff_if_exists (data['company'], '') , where second param makes it default to empty
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<jaequery>
how woudl i go about creating the get_stuff_if_exists ?
<graft>
jaequery: again, you clearly want an object, not a bare hash
<tastycode>
it would be easier to just put a whole bunch of stuff double checking the structure of the hash.. but that would leak details about the structure of the hash into the system using it… it would be better designed to have an object manage that hash
<graft>
jaequery: why NOT put this stuff in an object with validations? You obviously want the validations
<jaequery>
graft: because data im getting is not reliable, data could keep changing, i can't update validation code every single time it updates or it will break our codebase middle of night
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<jaequery>
it's a remote data source i have no control over
<tastycode>
jaequery: if you do something like this:: class CompanyResponse; def initialize(data); @data = data; end; def company; @data[‘company’] || {}; end; def name; company[‘name’]; end; end;
<graft>
jaequery: it's not better that way, it's worse
<tastycode>
jaequery: then you’ll only have to account for uncertainty in CompanyResponse… not in the rest of your system
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<tastycode>
you would be isolating the crapiness.. instead of letting it leak
<graft>
jaequery: if they change the format upstream, your code base will break no matter what. you can build the appropriate behavior into your classes, but there's no reason not to use classes to structure the entities you want to manage
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<jaequery>
graft: not true, but point taken
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<jhass>
lol
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<graft>
jaequery: if you have a remote data source that you have no control over, you should want to protect yourself as much as possible, not hard-code things so they crawl deep into whatever hash structure they happen to be spitting out this week
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<pontiki>
^ +1
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<pontiki>
protect your application from the outside; guard the borders lest you have boarders!
<jaequery>
im scraping html from sites
<jaequery>
and its not mission critical that sometimes it defaults to empty string if something got updated but like you said, point taken
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<graft>
jaequery: in general the way you want to do data transformations is not A => B, it's A => model => B. That way, before you write B, you can check that it makes sense. You can also then just write model => C and get A => model => C for free.
<jaequery>
i dont wanna store data, i wanna output data, i have nothing to do with database FYI
<uptownhr>
so you against nosql?
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<graft>
i mean store as in, represent in memory
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<graft>
your code will quickly become impossible to follow
<uptownhr>
IMO, the NilClass example from that stackoverflow should have been the default for ruby
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<godd2>
graft not if he's super duper smart
<graft>
uptownhr: why? nil is nil for a reason! it's supposed to be nil
<jaequery>
im curious, does this look hard to read? { name: data['company']['name'] || 'some name' }
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<uptownhr>
and it still returns nil
<uptownhr>
instead of erroring out
<uptownhr>
you should try it
<uptownhr>
makes a lot of sense
<shevy>
jaequery yeah hard to read; it's always a problem if you have two conditions on the same line to test
<graft>
i'd rather subclass Hash than patch nil
<jhass>
uptownhr: you confuse the null pattern with nil
<uptownhr>
jhass: please explain
<dkphenom>
if i have a hash of arrays like this: array = {"name" => ["jason", "brandon"]}, how can I output it so that I have name: on one line and then both names on each separate line using a .each?
<godd2>
uptownhr null pattern makes a special nil for a given class
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<jhass>
^ and nil represents the absence of any object
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<godd2>
It solves the problem of being able to add methods to nil without affecting the rest of the system which relies on how nil mornally behaves
<shevy>
the magic of nil
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<pontiki>
i feel like avdi's shill here, but avdi has an interesting monograph "Much Ado about Naught" about null patterning. he goes *deep* and i don't think it's all that *practical*, but it's and interesting read
<pontiki>
but my infinity is bigger than your infinity, so nyah
<uptownhr>
can someone please expalin...
<uptownhr>
i don't want to read or watch all this
<uptownhr>
for simplicity sake
<jaequery>
its okay guys .. like i said, only i have this sort of problem ... i am good at running into these type of things
<uptownhr>
wouldn't it nice to check if something exists by just typing it?
<shevy>
if you got a nil you ain't got much uptownhr
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<tastycode>
I basically have 100s of “fail ‘some random string’” .. and i’m trying to patch it all in one go by inferring or generating a class at runtime
<godd2>
uptownhr I assure you that youtube vid I sent is worth watching and it will provide a better explanation of the null object pattern than any one of us could try to explain to you in irc
<shevy>
uptownhr there are much more interesting videos to watch!
<tastycode>
uptownhr: I agree with godd2
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<jhass>
tastycode: I would probably opt for including only into the affected classes & custom method name
<uptownhr>
im' wqatching
<uptownhr>
but i don't like that guy, he is wearing green
<tastycode>
its alll the damn classes in the project :/
<pontiki>
the problem arises, still when ['a'] does not exist, or if it does, ['b'] does not exist, and so on, down the chain
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<uptownhr>
yes
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<tastycode>
you could easily even do class NullHash < Null; def [](key); self; end; end … if you do that, and you initialize the default for hash .. e.g. company = Hash.new(NullHash.new); then you can do company[“name”][“address”][“whatever”][“you”][“want”].nil? => true
<jaequery>
i guess the language itself just can't do it
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<jaequery>
so i will look at re-arranging my code to better suit it
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<jaequery>
i will have to validate check every single data levels
<pontiki>
by the time you've written `data['a']['b']['c']` you're already evaluating it
<godd2>
jaequery thanks to the Church-Turning thesis, any language can do anything any other language can do :)
<pontiki>
there you go
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<jaequery>
the data i have is like 10 levels deep, im dealing with lots of data
<jaequery>
gonna be a fun night
<tastycode>
jaequery: i gave you an example that would work. for your case.. give you exactly what you want.. also, check out uptownhr’s crazy extension he just mentioned.. it would work for you too
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<pontiki>
isolate it, put in it's own library / class, keep it away from the application
<jaequery>
tastycode: well i will do it the right way, hacking a class is not my forte
<pontiki>
ensure the application gets what it needs
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<pontiki>
protect the borders!!
<tastycode>
uptownhr’s is a hack, .. mine doesn’t patch anything
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<jaequery>
gonna be a file with alteast 2,000 lines of code atleast for this type of validation
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<uptownhr>
tastycode: i agree. someone should have answered with this earlier
<pontiki>
there are likely many places where there are patterns
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<jaequery>
wish me luck
<tastycode>
good luck!!
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<godd2>
uptownhr you can do it any way you want, I just want you to be informed about the different ways so you can choose the best one for you :)
<jaequery>
damn this gonna be fun
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<tastycode>
jaequery: we gave you plenty of tools to give you exactly what you need to do without very much code.. i just don’t think you were willing to critically listen, and you just want a 1 liner that’ll just give you what you want.. its just not that simple..
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<jaequery>
tastycode: i get what you are saying , thanks for the kind help
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<pipework>
pontiki: Successfully met havenwood and was simultaneously blown away by how awesome truffle and graal are.
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<tastycode>
jaequery: no matter what you access on @data, it will chain without error.. and no objects were patched! .. good reason to move the data handling to its own class
<pontiki>
pipework: who/what/where are truffle and graal?
<waxjar>
things that are gonna make jruby crazy fast if i understood it correctly
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<pipework>
waxjar: Well, Graal makes ruby and C crazy. Jruby merged truffle though.
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<jhass>
tastycode: puts x.inpsect -> p x ;)
<headius>
pipework: glad to hear you were impressed
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<pipework>
headius: Yeah! Were you in the room?
<headius>
both jruby proper and jruby+truffle will be working toward more ruby in core and leveraging each others strengths over the next year
<pipework>
I think you're at rubyconf, bu cannot confirm.
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<headius>
sure, we had to be there to support chrisseaton :-)
<headius>
he did an excellent job
<pipework>
headius: Neat! I'll be at the jruby stuff. He was fantastic.
<headius>
we've been out of the conf most of the day to finish our talk for tomorrow
<tastycode>
jhass: i know.. i don’t know why i did that.. i’ve been in a weird state not remembering what rails gives me and what ruby gives.. i can’t quite figure out who provides “y”
<godd2>
"working towards" "leveraging strengths" sound like I'm at a meeting
<pipework>
Made me more excited about ruby than keynote.
<pipework>
godd2: It's the language of people who do work.
<jhass>
tastycode: just hang out here for a few months, that will cure that ;P
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<godd2>
it's the language of people who persuade investors
<headius>
godd2: we dun' gon' share mo' code, git 'er fast
<pipework>
headius: The C interpreter thing made me go all 90's "whoa, radicool!'
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<headius>
pipework: that stuff is crazy...and chrisseaton believes it may even be possible for jruby proper to use it too
<headius>
it's going to be very interesting
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<pipework>
Oh look chrisseaton is on IRC.
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<chrisseaton>
hello
<pontiki>
they're using those terms ironically, so it's okay
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<pipework>
headius: If I were of any help whatsoever, I'd help out. But I'm no PHDer.
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<pipework>
chrisseaton: Your talk was really awesome and you delivered it so well. havenwood and I were getting more and more excited as you kept telling us more and more amazing things.
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<chrisseaton>
pipework: there's some issues tagged as beginner, and we're very happy to hold people's hands working through them if they want - Truffle is conceptually much simpler than other JITs - although in practice there are still some very tricky bits
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<godd2>
tastycode looks like Clojure
<tastycode>
lol.. semantically a little more like scala , but i could see how you might say that.. you could implement it in ruby. easily though
<jumparo>
is there a more thorough documentation? i don't really like the official docs, they're not detailed enough
<pontiki>
buy the pickaxe book
<jumparo>
i already have it
<pontiki>
there you go
<jumparo>
it's written in a manner that's not easy for me to understand
<jumparo>
maybe i'm not meant to be a programmer
<pontiki>
even so, the docs will always be more up to date
<pontiki>
it's not a primer on programming...
<godd2>
jumparo I can sympathize. But I made a goal for myself. I said two years ago that in two years I would know Ruby, and I do now
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<jumparo>
godd2: i have a lot of things on my shoulders right now... some really wealthy individuals would like me to work with them, i'm young but i need to learn as much as i can as fast as i can
<jumparo>
i've been learning ruby for the last few months
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<jumparo>
it's the hardest thing i've done in my life
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<godd2>
jumparo well we can all only learn so fast. but over time you will learn it if you immerse yourself. one day you'll wake up and not know why you never knew stuff!
<airdeluxe>
that looks like a good book, thanks for mentioning pontiki
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<jumparo>
jhass: the docs, in my opinion, are written for professional programmers who know every term
<pontiki>
this is generally how i learn something: read the docs, then try it out in pry, ask a question or two if i get stuck, and plow on until i get it, sometimes writing a full application to get the idea, then try to teach someone else
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<jumparo>
i will need to open a dictionary in order to understand the heightened language
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<pontiki>
but i have a distinct advantage in this, as i'm starting from a large base of knowledge
<jhass>
jumparo: maybe you want something like chris pine's "learn to program"
<pontiki>
it's jargon, not heightened
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<pontiki>
and sproul's "think like a programmer"
<jumparo>
pontiki: i've been stuck at one exercise for the last few hours
* pontiki
highly recommends both
<jumparo>
i gave up and looked at the answer
<jumparo>
jhass: i've already read that book
<pontiki>
that's always fair, if you work out why it's the answer
<jumparo>
i feel like i'm at the next level above that book, but i haven't found anything that caters to my current level
<godd2>
jumparo "a few hours" is not very much time. "a few weeks" is when you should start to worry
<pontiki>
programming is a skill, it's a skill of solving problems, puzzles, etc, with particular language syntax and semantics
<jumparo>
pontiki: right now my problem is expressing myself in ruby
<pontiki>
those places will help
<jumparo>
i know what i want to do and what logic i would like to implement
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<godd2>
jumparo it doesnt matter what the problem is. everyone learns different things differently. I'm just saying remain optimistic :) and that a few hours is like, zero time to understand something
<jumparo>
godd2: thank you for the kind words of encouragement
<jumparo>
i am however going to a programming bootcamp
<pontiki>
i don't now what would help
<jumparo>
i don't know how they accepted me
<airdeluxe>
money?
<pontiki>
you gave them money?
<jumparo>
yeah, but it's not just money
<jumparo>
they have an application process before you give them money
<jumparo>
if they accept you you give them money
<airdeluxe>
stressing out in IRC isn't gonna help you mate, go outside and breathe some air
<airdeluxe>
you're fine
<jumparo>
thanks guys
<jumparo>
i love all of you :)
<godd2>
airdeluxe easy for you to say with all that deluxe air
<airdeluxe>
really digging ruby... on my second week
<jumparo>
so realistically how long did it guys take you to become proficient?
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<jumparo>
how did you learn?
<jumparo>
my biggest regret is not learning it earlier in life
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<airdeluxe>
time, patience, sweat
<godd2>
jumparo I'm 28 and I didn't start learning how to program until I was 25/26.
<airdeluxe>
same here
<jumparo>
are you guys working for a company now?
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<jumparo>
or doing your own thing? why did you decide to learn?
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<airdeluxe>
its how i money make
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<jumparo>
thanks for exercism :P
<jumparo>
:)
<jumparo>
**
<pontiki>
good-o
<pontiki>
so, i'm probably the truly weird one here
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<pontiki>
i just turned 57
<airdeluxe>
cheers mate
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<louism2wash>
Hey guys, I am trying to use String#split with a regular expression that matches a pattern of any letter, followed by a space, followed by and digit. I am successfully matching that pattern but I now want to grab only that space between the letter and the number. If anyone could help me out if would be much appreciated. Thanks. https://gist.github.com/louism2/2c506f23127150d72c9a
<pontiki>
jumparo: that may be another thing, i really find playing computer/video games boring
<pontiki>
louism2wash: what ever is in the split expression is discarded. are you sure you want to be using split?
<louism2wash>
pontiki: I am trying to split the string on that pattern. My goal is to have that string by split into an array with 4 values... ["Everton","4","Aston Villa","4"]
<godd2>
louism2wash have you tried .split(" ") ?
<pontiki>
louism2wash: are there are combinations of the two alpha strings that may contain spaces? do the number parts ever contain spaces?
<godd2>
well that's closer. anyway, you can look into lookaheads and lookbehinds
<godd2>
but while that will force regex to solve this problem, it probably doesn't solve the issue you have. what are you trying to do?
<louism2wash>
godd2: aren't those only validating the presence of a pattern at some point before or after a match?
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<louism2wash>
godd2: The goal is to split a string such as "Chelsea 2 Aston Villa 2" strings and digits. The string is a team name and the digit is the score of a soccer match
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<godd2>
well I would probably regex over name/number pairs and then do something with those separately
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<dickoff>
checking, trying to patch up this libary I inherited. Out of curiousity, what does `Curl.spnego?` print for you
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<Eiam_>
dickoff: I was checking that on my server haha
<Eiam_>
irb(main):003:0> Curl.spnego?
<Eiam_>
=> false
<Eiam_>
;)
<Eiam_>
it works fine.
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<Eiam_>
we have the same version of curl on our system so
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<Eiam_>
my first thought is perhaps a binding error, or a bug. it definitely works. whats `klist` say on your system? do you have a ticket?
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<dickoff>
yeah I've got an active ticket
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<Eiam_>
We've taken the discussion to PM cause I felt like I was listening to myself talk 7 years ago, suspecting he was working on the same problems I was =p
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<Eiam_>
night gents!
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<AlienCat>
<apeiros_>, yes I thought so
<AlienCat>
but I cannot log in to the http user
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<AlienCat>
Okay, I can log in now, but is this really a good idea?
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<apeiros_>
this?
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<Zorxax_>
hello everybody
<tatsuo>
hi
<Zorxax_>
Is posible in nokogiri readd all comments AND some tags?
<Zorxax_>
tatsuo, ;D
<Zorxax_>
i use .xpath("//tag") how read tag and all comments?
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<AlienCat>
yes, the http user should not have a user dir or be able to log in
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<AlienCat>
But now I created a userdir for it
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<Zorxax_>
ok, second q, how read data inside <tag> text</tag>
<Zorxax_>
how read all tags inside text
<apeiros_>
AlienCat: then don't install it under the http user
<apeiros_>
you'll usually not have your pages under the http user either, do you?
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<AlienCat>
pages?
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<gr33n7007h>
Zorxax_, .text or .context methods?
<Zorxax_>
i have text = "text and <b>text bold</b> and <i>italic</i> ...
<Zorxax_>
how convert it to tree, nice format etc.
<Zorxax_>
inside .text i have some tags
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<gr33n7007h>
using nokogiri?
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<gr33n7007h>
Zorxax_, ^^
<Zorxax_>
yes
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<Zorxax_>
trouble is "<b> text <i> italic and bold</i></b>"
<gr33n7007h>
just say, text = "text and <b>text bold</b>"; text.css('b').text
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<AlienCat>
apache need to have access to the passenger gem thing so it seems I have to choose between allowing everyone to access the folder or install it on the http user
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<Zorxax_>
gr33n7007h, Is possible more than one tag <b> and <i>
<gr33n7007h>
Zorxax_, yes
<Zorxax_>
I need normal="text and" bold="text bold" normal="etc"
<Zorxax_>
no only text inside bold
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<Zorxax_>
meybe I can read xml but inside some tags use HTML?
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<gr33n7007h>
use the id/class for specific content
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<Zorxax_>
I have text with some tags. Text have errors (doubled spaces etc.) I need read xml and write in this same format but with correct text
<Zorxax_>
how read a.text() with all tegs , and read id similar .each procedure
<apeiros_>
AlienCat: pages - aka that stuff your webserver serves upon requests
<apeiros_>
and no, the two options you presented are not your only option
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<apeiros_>
I have nothing installed under root. I run my apache under user A, I have my gems and website under user B. apache/passenger is configured to use user B's ruby.
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<AlienCat>
okay but in the httpd.conf file would have a path like /home/myuser/.gem/ruby/2.1.0/gems/passenger-4.0.53/...
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<AlienCat>
so somehow I have to allow the access to this path
<apeiros_>
yes. the path which passenger-install-apachesomething tells you
<AlienCat>
so I just allow everone to that path?
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<AlienCat>
the home folders are very protected as default, did you have to do anything particular
<AlienCat>
?
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<gr33n7007h>
can you push onto an array while popping?
<apeiros_>
AlienCat: no
<apeiros_>
gr33n7007h: since push and pop are method calls, one has to happen before the other. or do you mean concurrently in a threaded env?
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<gr33n7007h>
apeiros, no, one after the other would do
<AlienCat>
Okay, I guess I will try
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<gr33n7007h>
basically, I'm trying to populate an queue/array with over 4 billion integers, but thats gonna take forever
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<Zorxax_>
Timgauthier, polish
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<shevy>
Zorxax_ whenever I dive into something ruby-related
<shevy>
I store information in a local knowledge base
<Zorxax_>
shevy, can You correct my code?
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<workmad3>
shevy: whenever I delve into any subject, I store information in a local knowledge base ;)
<shevy>
I abandoned XML years ago Zorxax_
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<shevy>
workmad3 you do too?
<workmad3>
shevy: sure... I suspect most people do... as long as we count biological knowledge bases carried around in a thin bone casing...
<shevy>
Zorxax_, years ago, last time I used REXML ... I have old code like: doc = REXML::Document.new( File.open( 'XML/gamebook02.xml' ) ) in it... I can not even look at it
<shevy>
workmad3 oh that
<shevy>
I forget too quickly
<workmad3>
shevy: ;)
<Timgauthier>
workmad3 lol
<Timgauthier>
shevy what do you use to create a local knowledge base? (serious question)
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<shevy>
Timgauthier ah that is more or less an open question for me as well
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<shevy>
Timgauthier I kinda use a mixture of different approaches; most information is just hardcoded in .cgi files right now
<shevy>
I kinda inherited that from my old .php files
<shevy>
Timgauthier for my ruby projects, I tend to use markdown .md files whenever possible
<Timgauthier>
what do you mean by hardcoded in cgi?
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<shevy>
well, just as if you'd use a .html page right?
<Timgauthier>
i'm mostly interested in how you interact with this information
<shevy>
but more dynamic
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<shevy>
with ruby!
<Timgauthier>
so you use irb or whatever as an interface to look up questions etc?
<shevy>
in principle, all I could do on the commandline with ruby, I could do through .cgi files as well
<shevy>
nah, just serve .cgi files
<shevy>
or invoke some .rb file on the commandline through aliases
<Timgauthier>
and how does this information look? Like how are your questions/answers stored
<Timgauthier>
i think i should learn/figure out how to write documentation (says the guy who can barely figure out how to comment his own code) and start to do that for my own knowledge
<shevy>
for instance: "qa chemistry" on the commandline is to ask me a chemistry question; I have this aliased to "chem?" on the commandline, and if my answer is correct I type "solved" or similar to tag it as solved
<Timgauthier>
so you use this as a way to study topics?
<shevy>
Timgauthier ah, of course I also use yaml files; the exam questions are one huge .rb file though, a module... module Exams or something like that
<shevy>
that as well, yes!
<Timgauthier>
what about like, i want to remember the syntax for something how would i look that up?
<Timgauthier>
What does an else statement in erb look like for example
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<shevy>
well
<shevy>
I have some aliases for that
<shevy>
for instance, I can never remember the % syntax
<Timgauthier>
to write it out? or to look it up
<shevy>
so I remembered it as "beautiful string" or something; "beautify string"; on the commandline I type "beauty?"
<shevy>
and this is the result:
<shevy>
'%3s' % '1' will become ' 1'
<shevy>
'%03d' % 3 # => '003'
<shevy>
etc...
<shevy>
Timgauthier dunno, I don't use erb so I don't have this snippet stored
<shevy>
I have a file generator though; "rubygen foo.rb" will generate a default .rb file for me; "rubygen foo.cgi" a default .cgi file etc...
<shevy>
and if I do: "rf ruby" my local knowledge base is loaded in the default browser
<shevy>
but it's one huge thing
<shevy>
like 30.000 lines or so
<Timgauthier>
cool :)
<shevy>
Timgauthier one problem is - I store stuff in german :(
<shevy>
I was undecided for a long time whether I should use english or german
<Timgauthier>
http://getkirby.com/docs/ the documentation here is excellent, i love it. it shows you the code and how to use it etc
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<shevy>
I am ok with english too... but the thing is, I noticed that my brain has a much easier time keeping things organized in german; the cost of processing for my brain is lower
<shevy>
k lemme see
<Timgauthier>
and i wish i had something like this for everything.
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<Timgauthier>
seriously, if there was a ruby based project that had this level and quality of documentation i'd likely understand it effortlessly
<shevy>
Timgauthier this is the current header for my local ruby knowledgebase; don't laugh, the pictures were without colours, I tried to improve on them and combine them http://i.imgur.com/G8S7nOg.png
<Timgauthier>
but this guys documentation on PHP for his cms is literally how i've learned to read and write PHP
<shevy>
I like the rails API for such things more
<shevy>
:link_to =>
<shevy>
PHP has good docs
<Timgauthier>
I dont like :link_to=> because i find it brutal to have control on how my links work
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<Timgauthier>
i'm at the will of whatever i'm using to format my links correctly
<shevy>
I dunno, I just like the idea more
<shevy>
I kinda picture all CMS as an organic living thing
<shevy>
it must become clever!
<shevy>
like skynet
<Timgauthier>
PHP.net docs are okay, this guys stuff though is steller, honestly i'd love to write documentation for everything i know at this level, but i doubt i could
<shevy>
when I am dead, my knowledgebase must persist on
<Timgauthier>
the benifit of :link_to is that you can fix all of the links at once
<shevy>
yes Timgauthier
<shevy>
this is a great thing
<shevy>
I do this with my main URL mapper
<Timgauthier>
if you build something and then you can change the spec is nice
<shevy>
for instance: the symbol :local_ruby points to my local knowledge base all the time
<shevy>
so if I ever change that, I only have to change it in one place, and all links will work again
<Timgauthier>
yeah
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<apeiros_>
dangerousdave: because "test," != "test"
<shevy>
wow apeiros was fast
<shevy>
or his clone is :)
<apeiros_>
err, "note,"
<apeiros_>
but well…
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<Timgauthier>
hah
<Timgauthier>
shevy i have this huge curiosity for taxonomy and cataloging, but i feel like i utterly suck at them.
<Timgauthier>
right now trying to think about them feels like trying to wrap my arms around a big balloon that is too big for my arms to reach around
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<shevy>
cool
<shevy>
taxonomy is like the philosophy to clean up things and tag everything
<Timgauthier>
yeah
<Timgauthier>
but how should i tag files on my mac
<shevy>
like calling a human being Homo sapiens sapiens
<shevy>
dunno; meta information?
<Timgauthier>
its easy when i know a system like the system of classification of animals and humans etc knowing how to class things and apply those is easy
<shevy>
File: `screenshot.png'
<shevy>
Size: 178870 Blocks: 352 regular file
<shevy>
Device: 801h/2049d Inode: 5243487
<shevy>
all sorts of extra info!
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<Timgauthier>
but looking at a pile of icons and figuring out how to create a classification system for them is where i am stumbling
<shevy>
hmm
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<shevy>
I have this problem with my images
<Timgauthier>
but you shouldn't add tags for .meta info, thats already in the file and searchable!
<shevy>
I have like ... 10.000 or so
<Timgauthier>
i know that feeling yes
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<shevy>
no idea how to really keep the well organized
<shevy>
*them
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<Timgauthier>
i've taken advantage of things like facial recognition in iPhoto and that helps a bit but like... what about these files. this is a photo i reuse because its the photo of my face. where do i store it, what versions of it do i keep, do i keep each new crop and shape as i generate it, which folder does it go in.
<Timgauthier>
i honestly, my heads like *crrrrrr* *static* when i try to focus on this type of thing lol
<Timgauthier>
i've started using a os x app called stache to keep track of websites that have content that i deem useful for later knowledge, and that was nice because it has a very flexible system of tagging and folders where things appear in multiple places, or let me reorganize nondestructively
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<Timgauthier>
but most of my messes are due to having multiple active systems to sort them going on at once.
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<Timgauthier>
man, this is a very non #ruby discussion :P
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<shevy>
I dunno
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<shevy>
my primitive way is to create directories
<shevy>
and put images there when they might fit
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<Timgauthier>
i just had this phrase in my head, "I Have a hard time translating thoughts into words" and i google searched it... now i have cancer thanks webmd
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<workmad3>
Timgauthier: hah
<workmad3>
Timgauthier: brain tumor pressing on some important part of your brain? :)
<Timgauthier>
actually it took me to an asbergers syndrom page.
<Timgauthier>
workmad3 maybe actually :P
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<workmad3>
Timgauthier: you mean aspergers?
<Timgauthier>
thanks yeah
<workmad3>
Timgauthier: although if that's a common typo it explains why American tv shows seem to call it 'ass burgers'
<Timgauthier>
i'm trying to get music playing
<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
ass burgers
<Timgauthier>
workmad3 naw, i spell it wrong because of american tvshows
<workmad3>
Timgauthier: :D
<dissident>
hi. i want to start out learning ruby. i'm on ubuntu, and from reading am unsure if i use the default ubuntu ruby, or install independently, and if i should use RVM or not.
<shevy>
that's what I love about US americans - they bring things down to simple levels of understanding
<dissident>
various documentation is telling me rvm has been replaced by bundler
<workmad3>
shevy: it threw me on a couple of shows, I wondered why people kept on saying they had ass burgers...
<shevy>
dissident bundler can not replace rvm
<shevy>
workmad3 HAHAHA
<shevy>
this is too funny
<Timgauthier>
shevy i'm going to berlin on friday, what should i do there? i'm there for a few hours while my wife has an interview
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<shevy>
workmad3 do you know the mockery about some song from rihanna and ... hmm
<shevy>
and shakira
<workmad3>
shevy: I know many a parody and mockery song :)
<workmad3>
shevy: not sure I know that one though...
<shevy>
but another phrase was... "he is an ass clown" ... I never heard the term ass clown before
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<Timgauthier>
how do you store these shevy for easy recall?
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<workmad3>
hmm, lunch time methinks
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<shevy>
Timgauthier store what?
<Timgauthier>
links like those
<Timgauthier>
we should have a room called #rubybullshit for just these conversations :P
<shevy>
#ruby is well suited
<shevy>
I am still not quite sure what you mean
<Timgauthier>
i would like a system to store and organize thoughts, ideas, information, documentation, dates, etc.
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<Timgauthier>
i feel like i've got a ton of thoughts, but they are all gas and i can't connect them to works or coherence :| this happens often
<shevy>
dissident you could stick to the ubuntu ruby for now if all you want to do is learn ruby; but one day you should switch. ubuntu changes defaults of ruby, and also eliminates functionality like 'mkmf'; you can install this, but most newbies don't know how or what to do
<shevy>
Timgauthier ah yeah
<shevy>
Timgauthier tell you the truth, aside from the .cgi files, I also store a lot of stuff into .yml files
<shevy>
Timgauthier dunno! I like to describe my systems in some text file
<Timgauthier>
i get 3 lines from that link lol
<shevy>
yeah it's a small file
<Timgauthier>
oh, i see yeah
<shevy>
I also have a mime_types.yml file
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<shevy>
Timgauthier all programs that I can compile and install also got their own .yml file; php.yml for instance has data to compile and install it
<Timgauthier>
these don't seem quite like i'm thinking in my head. i'm like trying to figure out how to store like, This is a way to do this thing, heres a snippet of code that does this other thing etc
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<Timgauthier>
ahh, so like directions + info and gotchyas ?
<dissident>
shevy: I'm learning because I've started using capistrano and have just started looking at Chef. what does the "switch" entail?
<shevy>
Timgauthier this is like the cleaned up variant of php.yml, it has more data than the two previous examples http://pastie.org/pastes/9727534/text
<shevy>
Timgauthier yes exactly
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<shevy>
I removed 20 lines of german :-)
<Timgauthier>
lol, i'm learning my german so its okay ;)
<Timgauthier>
so this is all the stuff you need to remember how to get php going, or how you got php going
<shevy>
dissident well - eventually you will feel that ubuntu ruby restricts you
<shevy>
dissident so there are alternatives; rvm... chruby... and other things. I don't use any of these, I compile ruby from source all the time, but many other people do here on #ruby
<shevy>
Timgauthier yes, just how to get php going + installed; for php code snippets, I use another approach; actually back then I just stored info in .php but that also kinda sucks
<shevy>
Timgauthier I want like a global system where I can manipulate every snippet all the time, regardless of how and where it is stored
<shevy>
like a wiki, but a good wiki
<Timgauthier>
yea, like store snippets from various languages etc
<shevy>
that too - $RUBY_SRC points to my ruby source files; /test/ directory there has all my tests
<Timgauthier>
and then some way to tag what they are doing, so you can cross language search for a snippet to do something (maybe ruby, maybe js, maybe php all have answers)
<shevy>
hopefully
<shevy>
one day
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<Timgauthier>
i'm tossing the idea of using kirby to build something right now, i'd use middleman or jekyll but my concern is that i have to rebuild it everytime i change something, where kirby wouldn't be an issue... or maybe github repo?
<shevy>
dunno
<shevy>
some people here are github freaks
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<Timgauthier>
could a git repo really work to hold and store information like that, i could see jekyll on git doing stuff like that maybe
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<bhaak>
sorry, if I'm asking something you already told us but why would you want to have it in HTML form as well?
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<Timgauthier>
these are the types of things i love to design, systems that do lots of really good and useful things, but yet i havn't figured out how to do this for myself yet lol
<Timgauthier>
bhaak i guess it wouldn't need html form would it... but its the most obvious form of interacting with it i can come up with
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<bhaak>
only if you have a problem with readable markdown :)
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<Timgauthier>
the problem isn't the readible markdown etc, i'm thinking of how do you search and navigate content?
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<bhaak>
grep :)
<Timgauthier>
i don't spend a ton of time in the terminal, i'd need a way to put terminal commands into my spotlight search but thats not too bad.
<bhaak>
but I can see the need of having a static copy if you are away from your main computer
<bhaak>
and yes, if you are not a terminal persion, that, too
<Timgauthier>
bhaak well that and syncing, or backup
<Timgauthier>
moving it from one computer to another
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<Timgauthier>
i'm going to look at yml files, i think they'd be a great form of outlining, and making i can use them to generate something so that i can expand on content
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<Timgauthier>
if i could make a yml that becomes a navigable tree of sub files that i can then expand on, so it either could be a list of things, but as those things grow it could turn into a list of list of lists of things.
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<bhaak>
Timgauthier: you know TiddlyWiki? it might not be exactly what you want but I found the editable html always quite intriguing. much closer to the original concept of the WWW than what we have now
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<Timgauthier>
bhaak it seems interesting, but if it was a native app that'd be easier, node.js seems far to complicated to run locally for me
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<bhaak>
Timgauthier: it's basically a html file, just open it in your preferred browser. the node.js option just gives you some additional features.
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<ponga>
oh ok twohlix_ i read the ruby-doc about 'shift'
<ponga>
i understood, thanks!
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<twohlix_>
you're welcome
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<ponga>
twohlix_: actually i sort of had an idea that library already exists to help this out, but i just wanted to practice
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<ponga>
and thank again telling me i did not need $
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<twohlix_>
also ponga: if you just want to access the end of an array you can do negative indexing. arr[-1] is the end, arr[-2] is one away from the end, etc...
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<joncol>
How can I use Bundler to manage my dependencies without being forced to use Git? When I run "bundle install", I get a "fatal: Not a git repository" message.
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<joncol>
Or should I use something else for dependency management?
<ddv>
joncol: Why are you not using Git?
<joncol>
My company uses hg
<benzrf>
hg is ok
<benzrf>
im told that hg has almost exactly the same model as git
<benzrf>
and heaven knows that git has an awful interface
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<benzrf>
mabye i should learn hg
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<joncol>
But why is Bundler giving me Git error msgs?? What is it trying to do?
<txdv>
i kinda got used to gits interface
<txdv>
everything else doesn't make sense anymore
<txdv>
linus way is the only way
<workmad3>
joncol: depends on what's in your Gemfile
<txdv>
get used to it or focking die()
<workmad3>
joncol: does it have a gem that's trying to be fetched from a company repo with a 'git: "some-repo-url" ' directive?
<joncol>
workmad3> Nothing special. More or less what bundle gem xxx gave me by default
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<workmad3>
joncol: oh, you've generated a gem with bundler
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<workmad3>
joncol: the default template for the gemspec bundler generates tries to look up files using git ;)
<joncol>
workmad3> Yes, I have bunch of source code that I wanted to make into a Bundler gem. That's not how to do it?
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<workmad3>
joncol: it's not a 'bundler gem'... it's just a gem (no different from any other)... all bundle does is provide a fairly minimal template... but it does assume you'll use git for source control, and generates a gemspec accordingly
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<workmad3>
joncol: just edit your gemspec to look up files differently (should be fairly obvious what needs to change)
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<joncol>
workmad3> I've removed the reference to git from my gemspec, but it still doesn't help
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<joncol>
Oh, it DOES work. I was just confused :)
<workmad3>
heh
<joncol>
Too many gems open :)
<joncol>
Thanks!
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<jlebrech>
any gems to put a value into a clipboard (from rails for example) and then access it from irb?
<jlebrech>
guess i could do this with redis
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<txdv>
shevy: he just knows that apeiros_ has the power to kick everyone
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<txdv>
so he sticks his appeases him
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<txdv>
i appease you just for self satisfaction
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<shevy>
lol
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<godd2>
I hate the Collatz Conjecture so much. It's so tantalizing
<txdv>
i meant to say: so he appeses him*
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<txdv>
What i wanted to say originally is that he sticks his head uptothebottom
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<txdv>
but that got mixed, deleted, and not rephrased correctly
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<davidcelis>
probably a stupid question but i'm not finding how to do this online. is there an easy way to run a line of ruby before running a file passed to ruby? i.e. i just want to do something like `ruby -e '$stdout.sync = true' file.rb`
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<rpag>
davidcelis, best I can come up with is ruby -e 'do_something; eval File.read('file.rb')"
<davidcelis>
yeah, that's what i ultimately figured. was hoping for a better way, but thank you!
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<davidcelis>
or load, i guess
<rpag>
yup, load/require should work too
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<gregf_>
how about :ruby -le 'BEGIN { puts "yay"} puts ARGV.join("-");' a.txt b.txt c.txt
<gregf_>
oops, scrolls to the bottom :/
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<jheg>
is it possible to create a hash with keys 1..9 with the values all ‘ ‘ in a way where you don’t have to explicity type it out like {1 => ‘ ‘, 2 => ‘ ‘ …} ?
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<centrx>
jheg, Hash.new { |h,k| h[k] = ' ' }
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<centrx>
jheg, Hash.new(' ') is similar, but probably uses the exact same string object for every value, not a new separate string
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<jheg>
thnx centrx I typed this into irb and it created an empty hash ...
<jheg>
h = Hash.new{ |h,k| h[k] = ' '}
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<centrx>
oh I see
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<centrx>
That will give you hash where the default value for any key is always ' ', but doesn't actually create the 1..9
<jheg>
So I’m creating 9 squares that need to be empty when a new game is initialized
<jheg>
its the tic tac toe game or naughts and crosses
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<jhass>
why a hash?
<jheg>
just thought there might be a quickler way then writing each one out
<jhass>
if you go the "enumerate the fields route"
<jhass>
why not a simple array and start at 0 ?
<jhass>
Array.new(9) { ' ' }
<jheg>
good idea
<jheg>
thanks I’ll try that
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<jheg>
jhass perfect thanks :)
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<mwlang>
I just started a new contract where my client is running Ruby on Rails 1.2 on Ruby 1.8.6 in a Windows environment. I have everything set up and running in my local mac environment, but on their production server Time.today actually returns a value whereas my Time.today gives me an undefined method. I checked Ruby docs and Time.today isn’t a part of Ruby 1.8.6 or 1.8.7 for that matter. How do I figure out where Time#today is coming f
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<mwlang>
it seems like it might be some mysterious gem, but this is just plain vanilla irb that’s working in their production environment.
<jhass>
you can try if Time.method(:today).source_location worked 10 years ago already
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<mwlang>
jhass: I think that came along with 1.9
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<mwlang>
I did try it, tho’ against hope and it says “undefined method"
<jhass>
I'd double check if the irb runs the ruby you think it does
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<hesco>
So, benzrf, ericwood, shevy: Is this on the right track, then? require 'json'; container_meta_data = JSON.parse( Facter::Core::Execution.exec("/usr/bin/docker inspect #{container}") )
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<shevy>
dunno what Facter does
<ericwood>
sure, as long as it's not taking in arbitrary user input :D
<ericwood>
but that looks like it's fine if it's returning a JSON string
<ericwood>
idk just try it and see if it works?
<shevy>
hesco break it up into a variable, then pass that variable to JSON.parse()
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<shevy>
also output that variable and show at least the beginning to verify it can work :P
<hesco>
ok, thanks, will try that.
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<ReRixo>
how do i ruby
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<Igneous>
yes
<ericwood>
^^^^^^^
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<ReRixo>
I'm fine with html/css but only languages I really know is c
<Igneous>
that's not usually a trio you'd expect
<ericwood>
go ahead and pick up the pickaxe book
<ericwood>
there's a ton of good ruby tutorials out there
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<ericwood>
they definitely are not
<lampd1>
they look a lot like JSON in pry :P
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<Igneous>
ruby inspect notation is pretty close to json
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<Igneous>
that's probably what you're mistaking for json
<shevy>
lampd1 doesn't JSON look like an Array?
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<lampd1>
not nested json
<lampd1>
feel so stupid for not being able to figure out why i couldn't parse this last night
<lampd1>
going to blame it on being sick :P
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<Blizzy>
anyone know any gems for automating web tasks, like filling out a Google Form?
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<rpag>
JSON just looks better than XML -_-
<centrx>
Blizzy, Mechanize
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<Igneous>
it is pretty funny that ruby has a better implementation of mechanize than the language we stole it from
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<txdv>
Igneous: what language?
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* lampd1
guesses python
<centrx>
Perl
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<Lightsword>
I’m trying to figure out the best way to handle port forwarding automation and queueing of requests, I’m using eventmachine to do requests asynchronously but I can only open a limited number of ports at a time
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<chrchr->
I am having a horrible problem with bundler/rbenv/osx