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<Nilium> Though, like I said, Mercurial doesn't have the sort of lightweight branches git does.
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<Nilium> Mercurial's wiki will tell you bookmarks are equivalent, but they're really not the same — mainly because if you have a bookmark active on a branch, it'll still commit on the branch the bookmark is on and advance the branch head.
<Nilium> So, bookmarks are more like moving tags in a way.
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<Nilium> Far as I know, the recommended solution to this is to just clone the repo multiple times.
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<jhass> if only things like git hg would actually work well
<Nilium> Like, clone it once, then clone the one you cloned multiple times. That said, I'm sure there's a lot I don't understand and I'm wrong.
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<Nilium> I looked at git hg, but decided that was a bad idea.
<jheg> plays perfectly jhass
<Nilium> The maintainer's kind of a dick and it dies when subrepos are involved.
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<diegoviola> Linux has come a long way
<diegoviola> things just work now
<diegoviola> why?
<wasamasa> because enough people cared about making it work
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<Nilium> Time heals a lot of things. Apparently not Xorg, but it hasn't stopped working either, so status quo maintained.
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<diegoviola> last time I had a problem with X was in 2004 or so
<diegoviola> wayland is shaping up quite nicely, though
<Nilium> Coworker of mine has persistent issues, but we're not sure if it's actually X, drivers, the hardware itself, or the window manager.
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<Nilium> So it's hard to pin the blame on anything there.
<wasamasa> heck, I'm using arch linux and the only issues I'm encountering are rather unimpressive bugs than breaking changes I can't get past
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<Nilium> I use a Mac, so Linux acts wonky whenever I install it. The blessing of weird, customized EFI and odd hardware.
<jhass> yeah, I experienced things work rather nicely once you leave debians patch hell
<Nilium> That said, I'm thinking I'll nuke my Windows partition and stick Slackware on there.
<Nilium> I miss Slackware. It's the greatest.
<sarkis> hey all - just created a gem - made sure to set the dependencies right on the gemspec, however, when i then install the gem - it doesn't grab one of the dependent gems
<Hijiri> I'm thinking of trying nixos when I have the chance
<sarkis> is there something i need to do other than adding the dependency to the gemspec?
<wasamasa> like, my rss client hanging up over a post containing base64-encoded inline image data
<Hijiri> maybe I'll kill my windows computer when my family stops using it
<wasamasa> that isn't career threatening
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<jhass> installed xfce on old windows xp laptop of my parents half a year ago. Instantly usable again, they love it and don't even care much about getting a replacement anymore
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<wasamasa> Hijiri: well, I've decided to not use it after I've heard about the woes one user had with packaging a rails application for it :P
<wasamasa> to get back on topic
<wasamasa> this would suck with any distro, but nixos even more so than usual
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* Nilium has no idea what nixos is.
<Nilium> Googled it, sounds terrible.
<wasamasa> why?
<Nilium> Also their website is borked.
<Hijiri> I think it's a good idea
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<wasamasa> it is at the very least an exciting idea
<Hijiri> declarative configurations means it's easy to move them around
<Hijiri> and you can have more flexible per-user configurations
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<Nilium> I say it sounds terrible because basing a distro around package management seems to be missing the point
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<wasamasa> why?
<Hijiri> it's based on configurations being declarative and less buggy, not just packages
<wasamasa> besides
<wasamasa> you can use nix (the package manager of nixos) on other distros just fine
<Nilium> That's nice, but what does that get me when I don't care about how elegant your package manager is since I'm not writing packages?
<wasamasa> Nilium: you get rollbacks
<Nilium> What does nixos actually get me?
<Hijiri> You can have easier-to-reproduce system configuratinos
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<wasamasa> Nilium: you can spin up a vm/container easily
<Hijiri> configurations
<Nilium> Or is it just "we shoved our package manager into a generic distribution"?
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<Nilium> Well, that might be useful for servers, but I couldn't care less there
<wasamasa> Nilium: you can set up all kinds of package combinations that would otherwise be incompatible and switch around them
<wasamasa> Nilium: in other words, it's the very best thing around for a developer
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<wasamasa> Nilium: for a normal user, not so much I guess
<Nilium> My only real concern is desktop linux
<havenwood> My only real concern is server linux
<havenwood> Now please us both!!!
<Hijiri> I develop on my desktop linux
<Nilium> And in particular when Adobe will get off their collective asses and port Photoshop
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<wasamasa> uh, yeah
<wasamasa> I expect hell to freeze over before that
<wasamasa> or gimp overtaking
<Nilium> I can think of no real impediment to me switching to Linux as a desktop other than that I need Photoshop to work as expected
<Nilium> Gimp won't ever overtake anything
<wasamasa> and adobe will never port photoshop to linux
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<jhass> Nilium: also you should write packages for anything you install to the system. If that's too much hassle you use the wrong package manager
<Nilium> Not unless the Gimp folks decide to just start over and build Photoshop
<wasamasa> "the Gimp folks" being surprisingly little
<wasamasa> so no, not either
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<Nilium> Though I won't be surprised if the other Photoshop clones start improving
<Nilium> i.e., stuff like Pixelmator on the Mac and the one other one I can never remember the name of
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<diegoviola> there was a time I wanted to get a mac for myself but I ended up getting a ThinkPad instead
<diegoviola> linux has everything I need for development, git, vim, etc
<diegoviola> what else do I need?
<Nilium> Same, more or less, except I also need to do graphics stuff.
<Nilium> Also not sure how Wacom support is on Linux these days either. I remember it being wonky years ago, but that's probably changed a lot.
<diegoviola> yeah things really do work so much better these days
<diegoviola> my printer wasn't working on windows today, some stupid errors and popups, couldn't print, rebooted to archlinux, did `systemctl start org.cups.cupsd` and boom, printer was working
<wasamasa> anyways, I should try out photoshop cs2 with wine
<Hijiri> I have a cheap wacom tablet and it works fine for me
<diegoviola> wasamasa: I've just fired a VM with windows on arch and used photoshop there
<diegoviola> worked nicely
<wasamasa> diegoviola: ugh, using windows
<diegoviola> but I don't need photoshop that much
<diegoviola> wasamasa: yeah but vm
<Nilium> Bah, just realized my git config at work was committng using my local hostname for my email address instead of my work address.
<diegoviola> if it works nicely in wine I'd use that
* Nilium facepalms
<wasamasa> diegoviola: I don't do either, but I kind of miss the "Save for Web" extension
<Nilium> Now I can't claims the commits on github
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<jhass> you can still edit for those you didn't push yet
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<wasamasa> diegoviola: it's the latest one that should work well
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<diegoviola> ok
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<wasamasa> diegoviola: considering I hate both photoshop and gimp for creating animated gifs (the only kind of bitmap editing I do these days), I guess I'll eventually write an emacs frontend for gifsickle
<diegoviola> adobe needs to come with native photoshop for linux for those who need it, they're being silly
<Nilium> Already pushed, nothing to be done about it. Not an actual issue, just means two less commits on my profile.
<diegoviola> wasamasa: yeah I also don't like photoshop one bit, I prefer gimp myself
<diegoviola> wasamasa: but gimp is not very good for psd files, so I fire a vm with pirated windows/photoshop when I need it (sorry about that)
<diegoviola> then I rm -rf the vm after that
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<diegoviola> I think imagemagick can split all the PSD layers to individual PNG files though
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<diegoviola> so you can still use gimp with those individual png files
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<wasamasa> diegoviola: gimp still has tons of usability gotchas I can't get used to
<diegoviola> if you want to use gimp, that's it
<diegoviola> wasamasa: right
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<diegoviola> I'm surprised how well VM's worked when I used windows on them, it even felt faster than using windows on bare metal
<diegoviola> not sure why, maybe drivers on linux (host) are just better
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<diegoviola> I would copy the files back to the host via SSH/SCP (WinSCP or something)
<diegoviola> worked like a charm
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<wasamasa> meh, the installer provided by their website just doesn't work
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<Nilium> Apparently Java got uninstalled when I updated OS X to 10.10. I kind of like that.
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<Nilium> Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know Apple's trying to kill Java still.
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<diegoviola> Nilium: nice
<diegoviola> I also like the fact that java is not installed on my archlinux system right now, nothing I have installed depends on it
<Nilium> Unfortunately, I still have to install it 'cause I use IntelliJ IDEA.
<Nilium> Which, to be fair, is a great IDE for non-Java stuff and I wish it were not built on top of Java so that it could roam free of the Java blight.
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<diegoviola> I see
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<JDHankle> Nilium: That's a feature of 10.10
<diegoviola> I write Ruby so I just stick to vim myself, personally
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<diegoviola> it's been a while since I haven't used an IDE
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<Nilium> I use Sublime Text. Would use Vim, but it's been getting harder to find highlighters for languages for it and I'm not feeling up to learning how to write my own, especially not for C++11.
* JDHankle uses emacs
<JDHankle> I don't have a good reason.
<JDHankle> :P
<Nilium> I don't think you need a reason for using a particular text editor as long as it works.
<diegoviola> would like to try emacs with evil mode sometime, but don't have much time lately
<Nilium> I get some shit at work for using Sublime Text, but that's a side-effect of coding in Javascript for most of what I do.
<parabolize> I'm pretty sure you can do vim highlighting in python
<Nilium> I have no compiler stopping me from doing things that don't work.
<JDHankle> Nilium: I got shit at work for NOT using sublime.
<Nilium> Weird.
<Nilium> Though you do use emacs, so there's that.
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<Nilium> Seems like Vim is acceptable but treated as a little weird, Emacs is treated like a problem that needs fixing.
<diegoviola> JDHankle: what would they say about you using emacs and not sublime?
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<Nilium> And ST is the flavor of the month on OS X since TextMate's kind of off doing its own thing now.
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<JDHankle> diegoviola: I've been called a neckbeard, told it's overweight. I once explained ace jump to a sublimer and they proceeded to tell me you can use a mouse in sublime.
<JDHankle> I have no beard, btw
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<wasamasa> lol
<diegoviola> JDHankle: lol
<Nilium> "you can use a mouse"
<jhass> why fight over editors at all. It's so useless
<wasamasa> the only thing I'd be truly missing from sublime is the fuzzy matching used for pretty much anything
<wasamasa> that seems like a challenge to get into emacs
<JDHankle> it's a religious war.
<Nilium> I know there's Vim plugins with the fuzzy matching stuff and I'd bet the same is true of emacs
<wasamasa> Nilium: that's hardly having it for everything
<diegoviola> JDHankle: I went to work at some shop once and I took my ThinkPad T510 with archlinux on it, there were some folks who used Windows in there and they were like "Is that Linux that you are using? So you use Linux?" -- part of why I like working remotey is so that I don't have to listen to stupid questions all day long
<wasamasa> Nilium: you're missing out on auto-completion for instance
<Nilium> You don't really have it for everything in ST though
<JDHankle> wasamasa: it is, but once you're there you either love the extendability or become consumed by it.
<jhass> JDHankle: but why participate? Just smile at them until they go away
<wasamasa> JDHankle: I know, I did a talk about it
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<diegoviola> JDHankle: nothing wrong with these questions though
<wasamasa> Nilium: there is one you can use for anything prompting you for a choice, but it's slow
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<Nilium> At any rate, I just tell people who ask why I don't use another editor that I use what I know.
<wasamasa> Nilium: for vim there are a few, but they're very specific to their domain
<JDHankle> diegoviola: I'm a linux user, an emacs user and an android fan so I hear ya.
<diegoviola> JDHankle: I just hated they would insist on me helping them with their Windows boxes (setting up rails/ruby on Windows is a f*cking pain in the arse), so I just suggested "Switch to Linux" and in the end they installed a VM
<JDHankle> jhass: well, usually I do. Once in a while it's just fing annoying.
<Nilium> I could use other stuff but that'd mean readjusting and finding ways to do equivalent things and changing my workflow and overall it's not really worthwhile since the current system does what I need
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<Nilium> If someone doesn't accept that answer, they're a zealot and need to be ignored
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<JDHankle> I've worked mostly terrible marketing jobs up until now, so it comes with the territory.
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<JDHankle> Everyone had a mac, everyone used sublime, everyone had the new iphone. Anything else was considered sub-par and the subject for constant obvious "flame" questions.
<Nilium> I've mostly ended up doing frontend web dev stuff in spite of it basically all being learned on the spot for the last three months
<JDHankle> nothing against anyone who uses those things.
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<diegoviola> these windows guys were PHP devs and also windows users and they wanted me to spoonfeed them basically on everything, that's what I hated
<Nilium> Well, PHP folks are diseased. You can't help them.
<Nilium> The poor souls.
<JDHankle> lol Nilium
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* Nilium says even though the first two months of his first and only dev job consisted of using PHP
<Nilium> Thankfully I have at no point thought "PHP is nice"
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<JDHankle> I've been a PHP dev longer than a ruby dev.
<JDHankle> Ruby was a pleasant surprise.
<jhass> yeah, did you look at the patch for the drupal bug?
<Nilium> Also told a manager that if I had the choice, I'd strip all PHP out of our organization. I think he found that amusing.
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<Nilium> Not that I know what I'd pick otherwise. Certainly wouldn't be Ruby.
<JDHankle> Perl lol
<Nilium> Perl was the first language I learned something like 13 years ago and I have no idea how to code in it now.
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<Nilium> What I do know is that without strict mode, you can do `if (false) { print "this is truthy"; }`
<Nilium> And anyone who knows at least a little bit about Perl knows why that is
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<JDHankle> JavaScript is one of those languages I wish I knew more of, but crinch at the idea that learning more about it means writing more of it.
<JDHankle> Nilium: and why is that?
<Nilium> The false in that is a string.
<Nilium> By default, without strict mode, arbitrary words are strings.
<JDHankle> oh bare words?
<Nilium> False as a boolean literal/constant doesn't exist.
<JDHankle> that's...interesting
<Nilium> Yeah
<Nilium> Javascript is what I do most of my coding in, well JS and LiveScript which compiles to JS, but I wish it wasn't what I used.
<benzrf> Nilium: purescript
<Nilium> It's a really lousy language because no matter what, I know I will never get any new language features.
<JDHankle> I saw a guy give a talk in Ruby where he made a one liner that gave ruby bare words.
<Nilium> Because JS's effectively frozen in time thanks to shit browser support.
<benzrf> JDHankle: only sort of
<Nilium> JDHankle: Yeah, you can do it in Ruby by overriding method_missing, constant_missing, etc.
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<Nilium> It's not the same as barewords, but you can get a similar effect
<JDHankle> benzrf: well, it's doesn't work in 2.0 anymore anyway and I don't have the motivation to find out why
<diegoviola> I don't like JS that much personally, I find it annoying everything is JS these days
<JDHankle> erm -anymore
<Nilium> I just find it annoying that web dev appears to be a huge clusterfuck no matter how you approach it.
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<diegoviola> Nilium: right, that too
<JDHankle> some parts of JS I'm like "wow".
<Nilium> JDHankle: It has good ideas in it, but the language itself is a problem.
<JDHankle> a friend told me about...carrying I think it's called?
<Nilium> Currying?
<JDHankle> that might be it.
<Nilium> If so, that's not part of JS, but you can simulate it.
<diegoviola> I don't understand the Node.js hype for example, it's just JS
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<JDHankle> diegoviola: well, async JS
<Nilium> diegoviola: I don't understand the node.js hype just because to me forking is a giant resource waste over threads and node.js appears to really, really like forking
<diegoviola> JDHankle: right
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<Nilium> Also heard NPM is a disaster.
<Nilium> Not sure if I remember why.
<diegoviola> I really, really don't like to write JS code though
<JDHankle> I guess the hype is over the fact that you can handle concurrent requests, which I haven't had the opportunity to have to do.
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<Nilium> Hence why I don't write pure Javascript.
<Nilium> I use LiveScript so I get stuff like currying, partialization, pipelining, and so on and let it take care of the boilerplate.
<JDHankle> Nilium: thoughts on Coffee?
<Nilium> LiveScript is a fork of CoffeeScript.
<diegoviola> JDHankle: what's the new cool thing these days? Go, Rust?
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<JDHankle> diegoviola: Go I guess.
<diegoviola> lol
<JDHankle> Really it's still node.
<Nilium> CoffeeScript is nice for syntax, but it didn't really do that much to fix the boilerplate problem
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<JDHankle> and if you're from where I work, it's wordpress.
<JDHankle> well
<JDHankle> used to work :D
<Nilium> Where I work, a large, large chunk of our user-facing stuff is WordPress and it's a huge problem
<benzrf> (purescript)
* Nilium slaps benzrf
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<Nilium> At least you're not suggesting opal, I guess.
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<Nilium> The main problem I have with most compile-to-JS languages is just that they drag in a runtime script by default
<Nilium> And my preference is to avoid that wherever possible
<benzrf> foo
<diegoviola> compile-to-JS langs will require you to still write JS when debugging, no?
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<Nilium> Sort of.
<diegoviola> I don't see the point
<Nilium> You just have to pick the ones that either emit source maps or emit readable JS.
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<diegoviola> I would like to just avoid JS
<JDHankle> I'm glad the people in this room share my hate for writing JS.
<JDHankle> I thought I was alone.
<Nilium> I almost feel like I'd just want to see Lua as a browser scripting language.
<diegoviola> JDHankle: I can't stand it
<diegoviola> PHP and JS, I hate them both
<diegoviola> I'd probably write Perl instead, but I'm glad I have ruby
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<JDHankle> JS gave me carpel tunnel.
<Nilium> Would also like Ruby as a browser language. Could probably do that with mruby.
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<JDHankle> I cant imagine it would do well but hey, what do I know.
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<Nilium> No new browser language would do well just because it's impossible to introduce one since everyone would continue writing Javascript to hit the lowest common denominator
<Nilium> Lest they lose precious sales
<Nilium> Or ad monies
<Nilium> Or whatever it is people go for
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<Nilium> Thankfully, I don't make business decisions.
<JDHankle> I really can't think of a language that would make me go "That should be executed in a web browser".
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<Nilium> I kind of like the way F# looks from a distance, but I've never used it myself
<Nilium> Oh, I know what needs to be done in the browser
<Nilium> It's obvious now
<Nilium> Erlang.
<JDHankle> oh boy
<diegoviola> I'd probably tolerate Lua more than JS on the browser
<diegoviola> not sure
<JDHankle> I could maybe do Boo. It _looks_ kind of okay.
<JDHankle> Haven't touched it though and I imagine the support is zero.
<diegoviola> mruby on the browser sounds nice
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<diegoviola> why are we stuck with client-side JS to this day
<JDHankle> I'd imagine that would be too slow for a browser though.
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<Nilium> diegoviola: Browsers should just start embedding tons of interpreters/VMs/compilers and execute whatever.
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<Nilium> Leave security to the end user, not the browser.
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<JDHankle> what could go wrong lol
<Nilium> Or allow sites to provide a compiler that emits bytecode that the browser accepts.
<diegoviola> Nilium: or maybe they could dynamically link to interpreters like other programs do on Linux?
<Nilium> Well, that could be what embedding is for them.
<Nilium> No reason to limit embedding to static linking.
<diegoviola> right
<diegoviola> I don't like the way it is now, only JS on the browser... screw that
<JDHankle> A VM would definitely be interesting.
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<Nilium> I haven't been able to access my email or website all day, and yet it appears to be accessible to everyone else. Kind of annoying.
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<Nilium> I like the VM idea. Possibly with script-extensible bytecode.
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<JDHankle> just byte code in general, allowing people to write their own languages or what have you.
<Nilium> i.e., the script can define a new instruction and be given a limited set of whatever language is used to define instruction behavior.
<JDHankle> Like rubinius.
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<Nilium> This in turn could lead to compiled Javascript that ends up being smaller, reducing the burden on mobile phone users as well.
<Nilium> That said, apparently there's a lot of resistance in particular to defining a Javascript bytecode because this would supposedly impede optimization efforts and improvements to Javascript (despite the latter never coming to browsers)
<diegoviola> just tried mruby, works nicely
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<Nilium> I kind of want to switch my engine over from AngelScript to mruby just because Ruby.
<Nilium> Also because AngelScript is kind of wonky with how it handles some types, like strings.
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<JDHankle> Ugh, I'll take the JVM if it means I don't have to write JS.
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<diegoviola> but then you'll need to write jaa
<diegoviola> java
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<JDHankle> not completely true.
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<JDHankle> JRuby works on the JVM.
<diegoviola> sure
<diegoviola> but then if things go wrong, let's say you need to fix something in jruby itself
<diegoviola> unlikely though, probably
<JDHankle> but regardless, I'm not serious. I;m exaggerating just a bit when I say I would rathe use the JVM.
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<diegoviola> I've used JRuby in some projects, worked well
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<JDHankle> well, having access to multiple CPUs is pretty rad.
<JDHankle> I have nothing against JRuby.
<shevy> I have fire
<shevy> if you want to use something against it
<Nilium> I have nothing against jruby but I don't like having a JVM dependency
<JDHankle> I used it once when I had to write some thing for some database that only work with Java.
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<shevy> Nilium you are not a java guy?
<Nilium> Correct.
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<porfa> well i officially lost my box and i cant get back to work until next thursday, snappy snap :( no ruby for me
<porfa> this to ask.. is it possible to install ruby on a box that i dont have root access? becaus ei have a shell with no root in my webhost!
<Nilium> I expect I'm eventually going to be told to do the Ruby SDK at work
<JDHankle> porfa: rvm maybe?
<Nilium> Seeing as I'm the resident Ruby nutjob.
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<Nilium> Though I think I have most of the higher-ups convinced that I hate Ruby.
<porfa> JDHankle: i alredy tried that but during the install it asks me for my user password, and then it tells me im not in the sudoers file..
<JDHankle> probably needs to install deps.
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<JDHankle> There's that other one I forget the name of.
<JDHankle> I've never touched it though.
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<porfa> well at least i know there?s another one, so i?ll look for it! im new to programing and ruby and im loving what i can do with it!
<JDHankle> rbenv it's called say google.
<jhass> porfa: you probably could get the deps with the toast package manager and then install ruby, it'll be a bit fiddling though
<Nilium> chruby and rbenv
<JDHankle> No idea if that is any different.
<Nilium> I'd suggest chruby these days, but I use rbenv
<JDHankle> I've been using RVM since I started on ruby.
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<JDHankle> I've never been given a reason to use rbenv or chruby. I've been the only Ruby guy at my jobs since I can remember.
<Nilium> I was told to avoid RVM and as such I always have.
<Nilium> Apparently it hijacks stuff like cd
<JDHankle> I wouldn't be surprised.
<Nilium> Whereas rbenv does the shims thing
<JDHankle> Maybe I'll check chruby or rbenv out finally then.
<pontiki> chruby is boss
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<JDHankle> I'm not committed to RVM in any way
<JDHankle> just worked.
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<Nilium> Hence why I haven't switched from rbenv.
<Nilium> I could, it just already does what I want.
<JDHankle> Yeah, but sometimes I do like to explore. It took me a while to get used to using grunt and bower and I thought I could just use something I knew. As it turns out it comes in handy.
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<JDHankle> I hate that I need NPM to install them though.
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<soahccc> Isn't a TCP socket supposed to timeout or close when the remote closes the socket? I either have to read or write and flush twice(?) to raise EPIPE
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<Nilium> How would it know to timeout or close when the remote closes a socket until you try to read or write?
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<soahccc> hmm that's true but when the socket is closed (on the remote) and I then do write + flush, shouldn't that raise? It will raise EPIPE only on the second write. I guess I will just read to check
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<eam> soahccc: keep in mind tcp sockets are bidirectional
<eam> one can close only the read or write portions and still have the rest be functional
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<eam> which also means a read or write error doesn't necessarily mean the socket is closed
<eam> it only means that either read or write handling is
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<aewffwea> What's the easiest way to connect via ssh to several remote servers and grep some files? (Preferably using as less as bash and as much as ruby as possible)
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<porfa> in some tutorials i?ve been reading, one of them mentioned that the synthax changes so it might not work on a diferent ruby version (?) so to make sure i dont miss out on anything, should i install the latest ruby or a 1.9 version?
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<porfa> i also see that its regular to have multiple ruby versions installed
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<zenspider> JDHankle: that's hardly the easiest at anything
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<waxjar> porfa, latest is fine. the syntax changes are very minor
<JDHankle> I think when people say that they're talking about 1.8 - 1.9.
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<Nilium> Usually.
<JDHankle> zenspider: then post your solution.
<Nilium> 1.9 to 2.x onwards was pretty smooth.
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<JDHankle> yeah
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<Nilium> Plus if you're still using 1.8, you're diseased anyway.
<JDHankle> lol I'm pretty sure nothing supports it anymore.
* Nilium looks at his web host, which still uses 1.8
<JDHankle> I've never had to touch 1.8
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<Nilium> Steam sale! *drains bank account*
<zenspider> All of my code still supports 1.8
<Nilium> I started on 1.8 years ago, so I had fun with the 1.9 transition
<JDHankle> oh steam...
<Nilium> Like with strings returning strings instead of codepoints or whatever when indexed
<zenspider> and the 1.8 to 1.9 changes are NOT minor. They're neither backwards nor forwards compatible
<porfa> there?s no way i?ll install rube without root, every tool or webtutorial i try keeps asking me for sudo because of dependecies
<zenspider> the changes from 1.9 to 2.x are fairly minor, so using the latest version shouldn't be much different than using 1.9 (and it'll be faster AND less buggy)
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<JDHankle> porfa: I think at this point you should get a better web host, that give you root.
<JDHankle> gives*
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<JDHankle> DO has servers for 5$/m and Heroku is free or whatever.
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<zenspider> I try not to do ssh in ruby. When I have to, I don't use net-ssh EVER. It's too much of a PITA. For the problem described I'd recemmond using pssh (p=parallel) or cluster-ssh
<zenspider> if I have to do ssh in ruby, I'd use the 'ssh' gem. but that's not multi-point.
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<diegoviola> what would you use ssh for in ruby?
<JDHankle> Eh, sshing in ruby is't too bad. I mean, it could be some other terrible language that you're doing it in.
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<JDHankle> Like ssh in PHP.
<JDHankle> Is there even such I thing?
<JDHankle> I hope not.
<JDHankle> *a thing
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<diegoviola> JDHankle: yes there is
<Nilium> I wonder if I could get a Digital Ocean thing up for $5 and just host my site on that
<Nilium> And then use my site for actually useful things instead of just static file hosting
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<Nilium> I hate PHP, but I want to point out that I like that the docs let you add comments/notes
<JDHankle> OH GOD
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<Nilium> Because that way other people can document all the stupid, godawful quirks in PHP
<JDHankle> it's worse than I thought it would be
<JDHankle> ssh2_* all the things.
<diegoviola> lol
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<Nilium> I think I'll sign up with Digital Ocean and mess with that because that sounds like fun.
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<JDHankle> I have a Digital Ocean server.
<JDHankle> I'm running ZNC, bitlbee and some other stuff on it.
<Nilium> How do you like it?
<Nilium> I've always just gone with shared hosting, but it'd probably be nice to move my ZNC server off my Raspberry Pi
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<Nilium> Since I can only really access that from home
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<JDHankle> Love it, 5$ a month for a no bullshit ubuntu server with root access.
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<JDHankle> They have Cent, Fedora and Debian too.
<Nilium> I'd probably go with Ubuntu in the absence of OpenBSD.
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<JDHankle> They don't ask for credit card info at the sign up process which was awesome because I got to see what I was dealing with before I made any commitment.
<Nilium> CentOS is apparently also popular but I don't really know what that's about
<JDHankle> I used Cent in my sever admin days.
<JDHankle> I ran Fedora on my laptop in the absence of Arch as well.
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<JDHankle> I won't touch Ubuntu outside of servers anymore. And it's looking like I'll stop doing that soon enough too.
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<JDHankle> Unity makes me want to break things and I'm not too happy about the refusal to adapt Wayland. Not that that really matters at this point, but it may.
<Nilium> Darn, DO doesn't accept debit cards.
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<Nilium> Understandable, at least.
<Nilium> I should probably consider getting an actual credit card one of these days.
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<JDHankle> Nilium: oh I wish I could have warned you about that, I had no idea.
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<Nilium> It's not an issue, they let me send moneys via PayPal as well.
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<JDHankle> I forget I have a CC sometimes.
<arup_r> Can anyone tell me what wrong I did here ? https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/9fc768c0fe18301f63cf
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<Nilium> I forget I don't have a credit card a times.
<Nilium> It occasionally makes things difficult.
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<JDHankle> Nilium: I signed up for mine maybe... 1.5 years ago. I gave them 300$ and they gave me 400$ in credit. Now it's about 750$.
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<Nilium> To be fair, my credit's really good, I just don't have a card.
<JDHankle> They also sold my address to pretty much every third party, so there's that
<Nilium> I build it up by slowly nursing my student loan instead of paying it off all at once.
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<JDHankle> I didn't go to school unfortunately and I'm a little young to have good credit at this point.
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<JDHankle> Thus, why I have a credit card.
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<Nilium> Man, 60 seconds to create a server from an image.
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<Nilium> Wish I could install an OS in 60 seconds.
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<porfa> damn i guess im having those problems because im using a diferent version
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<Nilium> And in with root already. So fast.
<JDHankle> <# DO
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<JDHankle> <3*
<Nilium> Oh, wow, it's got a browser-based VNC thing going
<Nilium> That's a lot of toys to give me for $5.
<JDHankle> They have a pretty nice API too.
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<porfa> Nilium: haha
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<porfa> that url is wrong, i am very sorry. this is the one https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2bb1a1fcdf8f9df879f2
<JDHankle> porfa: nokogiri will return nil when a selector fails to find anything.
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<porfa> that script worked in ruby 1.9 or 1.8 i think, i lost my dev box online i can only get to it next thursday so i have to install ruby locally on osx.. and when i run for ie ? puts doc.xpath(' //*[(@id = "Gegevens")]//p ').collect {|node| node.text.strip} ? it fetches me the stuff
<porfa> have/had to
<porfa> but when i run ?ruby script.rb? it fails
<riceandbeans> anyone have any recommendations for a cable modem?
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<JDHankle> porfa: well it says line 26, but I cant actually tell if that is the same line in the gist. What I see at 26 is: nomeprod = doc.at_css('#_c3890_uxHeaderBox').text.strip[7..-1]. Which tells me Nokogiri failed to find "#_c3890_uxHeaderBox" and returned nil.
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<JDHankle> Also Nokogiri requires 1.9+
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<shevy> Nilium yeah, linux boots shit slow
<shevy> all those ugly .sh script mess
<Nilium> http://hooker-with-a-penis.net ← Well, got Digital Ocean set up to at least serve my site's HTML now. Unfortunately, all the links point back to spifftastic.net 'cause it wasn't built for hooker-with-a-penis.net
<shevy> JDHankle Unity is an example of developers attempting to enforce a particular narrow world view onto everyone else forcibly
<Nilium> Now you might be thinking that link isn't work safe, but I assure you, it is
<EbolaJenkems> hi
<EbolaJenkems> anybody here into feces?
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<shevy> Nilium the name of that URL is a dead giveaway
<shevy> hey EbolaJenkems you should learn ruby
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<shevy> can you not PRIVGMSG spam please
<Nilium> shevy: It makes more sense if you know your Tool songs.
<Nilium> At any rate, the site is actually work-safe.
<shevy> I dunno
<shevy> I got scared away clicking links here before
<Nilium> You can also use .com
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<shevy> so I can get a commercial penis?
<Nilium> I wouldn't paste NSFW links in here.
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<shevy> but look at that URL alone man! :\
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<Nilium> It's a Tool song.
<Nilium> It's even got a Wikipedia page.
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<shevy> hey
<shevy> anyone with a lobby can add pages
<shevy> let's send a credible person forward
<shevy> EbolaJenkems what do you see on those two pages: http://hooker-with-a-penis.net http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooker_with_a_Penis
<Nilium> This suggests you aren't credible
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<shevy> I could if I would dare to click on it!
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<shevy> ok _EbolaJenkems is a bot, can someone kick ban?
<Nilium> Wow, a spambot for Chimpout? I actually know what that is thanks to Something Awful.
<Nilium> I guess someone set up a bot to PM racist crap.
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<shevy> some people simply have way too much time
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<JDHankle> shevy: Well I certainly can't disagree with that sediment about Unity. Not the primary reason I hate it though. I hate it because it's awful.
<JDHankle> Though I guess there is overlap with those two reasons.
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<shevy> what annoyed me the most was that they moved the close-down functionality to the left side
<shevy> from that widget; top-left
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<JDHankle> I was never a big KDE fan until Unity. I eventually just found myself at Openbox or Cinnamon depending on what I used the machine for.
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<JDHankle> I've been following KDE 5, though. It looks interesting.
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<shevy> my enthusiasm for kde was destroyed in the kde-3 to kde-4 transition
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<shevy> I do use components like kde konsole daily though
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<epitron> kde3.5's konsole was great
<epitron> as was kde3.5
<shevy> :)
<epitron> i used to use the file manager too
<epitron> so fast
<shevy> you could use dolphin now!
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<^Mike> On the assumption you guys know about haml... I have the following haml snippet -- the rendered page has a space before that final period. How can I suppress that? http://p.hashbang.ca/tp
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<pontiki> i think you use >< instead of just <
<pontiki> >< closes all whitespace before and after
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<arup_r> How can I write the https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/783d55e9fdcb0f8250b9 using new Rspec 3.0 + version syntax?
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<Hanmac> arup_r: hm you can try it in the #rspec channel, there you might get more help
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<arup_r> There is no people right now :-(
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<Hanmac> apeiros & shevy: ruby trunk did kick out "dl" in replace for "fiddle" ... while its a bit old, https://github.com/yugui/evil-ruby/blob/master/lib/evil.rb does not work anymore with that ;P
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<shevy> :(
<shevy> they break backwards stuff!
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<shevy> hey pipework
<shevy> "It wraps libffi, a popular C library which provides a portable interface that allows code written in one language to clal code written in another language."
<shevy> what does "clal code" mean?
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<Hanmac> shevy: hm problably misstyle from "call"
<Hanmac> i mean misstype
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<shevy> hehehe
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<shevy> It was a pun about documentation Hanmac considering that pipework finds the ruby docs awesome
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<porton> Can mechanize be used with JavaScript?
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<Nilium> Goody, got my mail server more or less up and running
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<shevy> LONG LIVE RUBY!
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<aaronite> When I get an EOFError from a socket does that mean that it has closed or that it has nothing to read?
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<shevy> hey Hanmac
* Hanmac appears
<shevy> I just heard that airport berlin will cost one more billion euro
<Hanmac> hm maybe, but its still not finish and already to small ;P
<shevy> hehe
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<aaronite> what does eoferror mean
<dion> Pretty obviously end of file error.
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<aaronite> but i don't have a file
<shevy> end of the world
<aaronite> i have a socket that i'm trying to sysread from
<shevy> on linux everything is a file
<aaronite> in bsd too?
<dion> Almost nearly everything.
<shevy> I guess it is a UNIX tradition
<aaronite> i'm joking of course
<dion> You clearly know your history.
<aaronite> i use 9front
<shevy> just as everything is an object in ruby
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<aaronite> >> ''.methods.length
<eval-in__> aaronite => 164 (https://eval.in/216165)
<aaronite> yep true
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<aaronite> but why does sysreading a socket give me EOFError?
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<aaronite> does the socket close on me? ;(
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<shevy> is there not a method to find out?
<shevy> .open? or something like that
<aaronite> well, i used .closed?
<shevy> god
<aaronite> and it's pretty much open
<shevy> ruby docu is ABSOLUTE SHIT
<aaronite> but sysread returns a blank line and that's pretty much it
<shevy> why do you get such main results when you google
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<shevy> in python they have a redirect or warning
<shevy> "a newer python version is available blabla -> link here"
<aaronite> EOFError is returned at end of file
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<aaronite> so i'm guessing there's nothing to be read
<aaronite> but why?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
<aaronite> does it help if i give code?
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<shevy> dunno
<shevy> only if others can reproduce the problem
<aaronite> it might give you a headache so please try not to scream
<aaronite> i tried to create a client according to a protocol
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<aaronite> i have connected to a login server, but i can't connect to the game server(well, i can, random key and apiOK is sent but i don't get any response from glogin)
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<aaronite> well, i've tried
<aaronite> time to dump this project
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<shevy> hehe
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<ponga> hi shevy
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<shevy> hi ping pong
<ponga> no the nick is from pingu
<ponga> not from ping pong
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<jheg> jhass: thanks for the help last night - I refactored it and I /think/ it’s much better https://gist.github.com/jheg/529218a95f014a381e37
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<jhass> I see dead code :P
<jheg> dead code?
<jhass> info is never used
<jhass> thus @@nums is never used
<jheg> good point was going to track the number of games but it seemed a pointless stat _ I forgot to remove it
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<smoitra> Hello all how to become a good rubyist ?
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<ponga> hi smoitra
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<crome> smoitra start with being a crappy rubyist and work from there
<smoitra> I am trying to opt ruby for my career but I am wondering how to become a good programmer ?
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<waxjar> practice and read
<smoitra> Which books should I read ?
<jhass> Clean Code
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<jheg> If you are happy to consider paid for options then I can personally rec GoTeaLeaf
<waxjar> sandi metz' book is recommended everywhere
<waxjar> i read the first few chapters and it seems to be really good
<jheg> It offers a nice structure to learning for me
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<jheg> they also offer this book for free to get you started - http://www.gotealeaf.com/books/ruby
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<balazs> Hi, can anyone tell me how to have arbitrary parameters with Mixlib::CLI ?
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<MartynKeigher> hey all.. anyone around to answer a Puma (ruby gem) question!?
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<balazs> just ask it. don't ask to ask.
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<MartynKeigher> hey balazs .... im having an issue trying to get PUMA to run on my system startup, therefore, right now, the only way my site can load is if i manually run "bundle exec puma config.ru" and leave the putty sessions open.
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<jhass> MartynKeigher: sounds more like an #distribution or #initsystem question, but what's your problem?
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<MartynKeigher> ya so i was using "thin" and put an init.d/thin.conf file in place so i run it at startup and also so a sudo stop thin && sudo start thin to restart it... but thin is not working well with my web dashboard.
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<MartynKeigher> so im looking to give puma a try.
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<jhass> you know we can't magically guess your init system...
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<jhass> or your system setup at all
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<havenwood> MartynKeigher: have you looked at `pumactl --help` yet?
<MartynKeigher> i have edited the code of the app to have puma run it.. and it runs if manually start it.
<MartynKeigher> just want it to start at system boot
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<havenwood> MartynKeigher: systemd?
<havenwood> other init system?
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<jhass> which ruby environment?
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<jhass> MartynKeigher: if you want any help you need to start to actually answer follow up questions, I'll ignore you until you do
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<MartynKeigher> sorry... was on phone...
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<MartynKeigher> im going to give this a go first... https://github.com/puma/puma/tree/master/tools/jungle/upstart
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<havenwood> MartynKeigher: welcome to the jungle!
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<MartynKeigher> haha
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<balazs> why can't I say "ARGV = somearray" ? I get dynamic constant assignment
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<jhass> because you can't, ARGV is special
<Morrolan> Why are you trying to reassign a constant? :)
<balazs> but I can say pop/shift stuff onto ARGV
<Morrolan> (Even more so ARGV!)
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<jhass> balazs: pop/shift is an operation on the object ARGV i pointing to
<jhass> assignment changes the object it points to
<jhass> the object ARGV points to is not an array! it just behaves as such
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<balazs> I'm modifying this script that uses Mixlib::CLI. I want to handle some command line switches in a special way. For example take all the arguments that start with "--foo-" and save them to pass in directly to a script that my stuff is a frontend for
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<balazs> jhass: thanks for the clarification
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<bigmac> what text editors do you guys love for ruby
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<Morrolan> emacs. :D
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<zubov> Sublime, Atom, Rubymine
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<jhass> $EDITOR
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<unshadow> How would I get only the :mobile from this object : [#<Net::LDAP::Entry:0x00000001d535f8 @myhash={:dn=>["CN=test,CN=Users,DC=test,DC=local"], :mobile=>["00000"]}>] ?
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<jhass> unshadow: look at the API docs which method returns it
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<benzrf> vim onnllllllllllllllly
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<unshadow> jhass: thats the thing, this is one of the lest documented things ever :( I can't find a good example
<bigmac> has any one tried scite editor with autoit scripting?
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<jhass> "Class Net::LDAP::Entry provides convenience methods for dealing with LDAP entries. In addition to the methods documented below, you may access individual attributes of an entry simply by giving the attribute name as the name of a method call."
<jhass> fairly well documented
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<VanillaGoat__> How is Atom coming along? Is it competitive with ST yet?
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<benzrf> why would you WANT to use atom
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<wasamasa> lol
<wasamasa> as long as these darned browser editors cannot edit lines greater than 2mb, they are surely not competitive yet
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<suy> Vim, even less (the pager), struggle with files with very long lines (e.g. a database dump). I would not critisize Atom that lightly for that :)
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<otherj> it's unclear to me how atom improves upon existing editors
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<banisterfiend> otherj i use it for a few things
<banisterfiend> otherj it's got a really nice markdown mode/preview mode, so it's great when you're working on a markdown document
<banisterfiend> but that's about all i use it for, but it seems pretty solid
<banisterfiend> but not enough for me to move away from emacs :)
<otherj> must not comment on vim, must not comment on vim :P
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<waxjar> doesn't atom eat shitloads of memory, since it's basically a fancy webpage?
<otherj> seems to on mac
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<waxjar> github's git client tends to do that as well
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<VanillaGoat__> What does everyone think of Rubymine?
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<Hanmac> VanillaGoat__: you mean the text editor or the bugtracker?
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<VanillaGoat__> the text editor.
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<waxjar> seems overkill, tbh
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<Hanmac> i prefer other editors ... for an ide like that i need to support for multiple languages
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<benzrf> atom is just emacs but with webpages instead of lisp
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<benzrf> tbh i dont see this as a great stride forward
<benzrf> especially considering the years and years of existing ecosystem for emacs
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<benzrf> Hanmac: isnt the bug tracker called redmine
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<Hanmac> benzrf: are you sure? i thought there was something like that or was the name similar?
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<Hanmac> hm there is a block named http://www.ruby-mine.de/ but its a bit outdated ...
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<testeleme> hi
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<elemenopy> need some help guys, new ruby tester over here
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<elemenopy> i'm following along with the guides on rails and ran into an issue in the tutorial
<elemenopy> http://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html <--- this is the guide im using
<elemenopy> i think i've got the articles saving now but when it comes time to show the article i see this error message
<elemenopy> undefined method `title' for nil:NilClass
<Hanmac> elemenopy: try #rubyonrails it might help more for rails questions
<elemenopy> any help would be appreciated
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<elemenopy> hmm when i try to join it says "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services"
<elemenopy> what does that mean?
<jhass> elemenopy: /msg NickServ help
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<elemenopy> hmm the ruby on rails channel is dead rest in piece
<jhass> give it some time
<jhass> response times of an hour and more are not unusual on IRC
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<kl> elemenopy: unfortunately I believe jhass to be correct
<kl> Rails can die a slow death (preferably quicker) as far as I'm concerned. It put Ruby onto the map. That's all I ever wanted from it, to be honest, and nothing more.
<kl> All I want now is Ruby (more specifically: Ruby jobs) to be decoupled from Rails.
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<bobishh> hi guys
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<fawefeawfewa> What's a good way of learning all advanced ruby stuff?
<jhass> idle here, solve peoples problems and compare it to other solutions
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<Nilium> I wonder if git will ever deprecate sha1 hashes in favor of something larger
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<MrDoctor> . The issue seems to be related to whitespaces. How do I work around this problem?
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<MrDoctor> I am having trouble installing the MySQL2 gem on windows 8.1. I am using `gem install mysql2 -- '--with-mysql-dir="C:\Program Files (x86)\MySql"'. In the logfiles the error is Cannot find include dir(s) C:\Program/include
<MrDoctor> The issue seems to be related to whitespaces. How do I
<MrDoctor> workaround this?
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<zubov> use the windows 8.3 directory/filename nomenclature
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<zubov> so Program Files becomes progra~1
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<zubov> if you have multiple Program Files directories you will have to figure out what the ending number would be
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<zubov> dir /x will give you short names
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<MrDoctor> Okay, I will try that, zubov
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<MrDoctor> Thanks a lot.
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<MrDoctor> That did the trick, zubov. Thanks for your help.
<zubov> glad to hear. Have fun. Cheers
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<kl> Nilium: it's an interesting question.
<kl> Nilium: people say this to me all the time, about particular problems: "the hash space is large enough - there's only going to be x entries, there won't be a collision."
<kl> But there *could* be. And that *one* collision could destroy the entire system.
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<kl> I don't know why we don't just all default to a truly *massive* hash space, everywhere.
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<fawefeawfewa> <kl> But there *could* be. And that *one* collision could destroy the entire system. --> Are we talking about the solar system?
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<ashlee> hi, i’m having a probiem with File.exists? for a filename with square brackets in the filename
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<ashlee> how can i escape/sanitize this
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<rpag> >> File.open('foo[].txt', 'w') { |f| f.write("hi") }; File.exists?('foo[].txt')
<eval-in__> rpag => true (https://eval.in/216320)
<rpag> whats the issue?
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<ashlee> >> File.open('foo [dd] .txt', 'w') { |f| f.write("hi") }; File.exists?('foo [dd] .txt')
<eval-in__> ashlee => true (https://eval.in/216321)
<ashlee> hmm
<ashlee> ah i see the problem
<ashlee> was a bug with something else
<rpag> ok
<ashlee> sorry
<rpag> sure
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<ashlee> >> File.open('foo_[dd].txt', 'w') { |f| f.write("hi") }; File.exists?('foo_[dd].txt')
<eval-in__> ashlee => true (https://eval.in/216322)
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<jhass> rpag: ashlee: protip: File.write('foo.txt', 'content')
<rpag> cool
<rpag> wasnt sure if that existed or not :)
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<rpag> >> File.write('a', 'aaaa')
<eval-in__> rpag => 4 (https://eval.in/216325)
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<Nilium> kl: More or less, or at the very least picking one that's optimal for its purpose. I suppose SHA1 was fine for the time, plus it reduces the amount of data you need to download (could be a significant increase for large repos like the kernel), but that'd also depend on how you're storing the hash in the first place
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<Nilium> i.e., if you store the hash in text as a hex string, that'll take more space than storing it as a base-36 string or just straight binary, but means you have to transcode it for display/lookup
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<Nilium> At any rate, it is possible to cause collisions in git now, so that's fun.
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<elemenopy> hi im new to ruby and trying to write a small app that downloads web pages. i found this https://github.com/lostisland/faraday but i dont know how to download / use it in my app
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<elemenopy> any help would be appreciated
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<jhass> for starters, did you install it already?
<elemenopy> no i did not :( how can i do that ? :)
<jhass> what's "your app"?
<jhass> do you have a Gemfile?
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<elemenopy> no so far i've only done a little ruby script that downloads web pages from a command line
<Radar> elemenopy: !gist
<helpa> elemenopy: http://gist.github.com - Put your codes online with pretty syntax highlighting and the ability to embed it into other pages.
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<jhass> elemenopy: then just gem install faraday and require 'faraday' should start working
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<elemenopy> omg that is insane
<elemenopy> i just typed in 'gem install faraday' and it's there
<elemenopy> what in the h***
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<elemenopy> thx guys!
<Radar> MAGIC
<elemenopy> dude that is crazy
<elemenopy> that reminds me of yum or apt-get
<Radar> You wait until you see what Bundler can do
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<MiracleBlue> Package management is a really useful thing and is available for many languages and frameworks these days :)
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<MiracleBlue> NPM, Bower, Gems, etc etc
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<WhereIsMySpoon_> Hi - I have a simple model and controller for a player model. Model .rb: http://pastie.org/9692128 controller rb: http://pastie.org/9692130
<WhereIsMySpoon_> however its only saving the username and not the salt and encrypted password
<WhereIsMySpoon_> anyone able to help me as to why
<jhass> WhereIsMySpoon_: Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ help
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<WhereIsMySpoon> jhass: aha cheers, i tried #rails and ##rails but couldnt find it ;)
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<elemenopy> i had to jump through some hoops but i got nokogiri installed on mac
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<bklane> I am using rubocop to clean up some code and it recommends I use proc over Proc.new and use a multi-line block over {} but when I use do/end I reach errors. Any advice on multi-line proc blocks?
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<jhass> bklane: Please share your code on https://gist.github.com
<jhass> + error message you get
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<bklane> thanks
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<jhass> okay, the actual difference between { } and do/end is that the former binds to the method call on the right while the later binds to the method call to the left, thus filter gets your block, proc gets none and raises
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<bklane> jhass: so what is the recommended properly styled way to do multiline proc blocks?
<jhass> in which cases you choose {/} and in which you choose do/end is largely personal preference (or your teams codestyle), don't let rubocop fool you, its default are just another opinion
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<bklane> thank you for the explanation jhass
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<Oog> what is the scope of setting signal.trap? if function f sets it, then calls function g and in g the signal is received, it seems teh trap handler in f doesn't get called - is tht coorect?
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<jhass> pretty sure that's unscoped (=global)
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<omosoj> anyone use the firefox extension tilt? it shows a visualization of the DOM. pretty nifty
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<dcope> hey all, why would array#push and << not be working at all? the array is not nil
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<rpag> whats the error?
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<dcope> rpag: there is no error. i push and then print the array and it's still empty... []
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<rpag> can you post a minimal repro?
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<rpag> s/repro/test case/
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<dcope> rpag: i have an array as an attr_accessor, that makes it mutable right?
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<rpag> no, it defines a setter & getter
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<rpag> an array in ruby is always mutable unless you .freeze it, btw
<dcope> yes, but the getter that returns the array shoudl be mutable, correct?
<dcope> ok, that's what i thoguht
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<rpag> i'd guess there's something else going on if <</push don't appear to be working
<jhass> dcope: as said, reproducing code sample or didn't happen
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<elemenopy> i want to parse this and be able to get the item in hte 'div class' into some kind of "array" but also be able to pick up on the text in between each 'div class' https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fcdfa99f99323d936ba9 any ideas?
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<rpag> elemenopy, try nokogiri?
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<elemenopy> yes i am using nokogiri right now
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<elemenopy> but i mean using nokogiri how would i do this?
<rpag> that's like asking me to write a solution for you :P
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<jhass> what horribe markup :/
<jhass> not sure what you mean with "item in the div class"
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<rpag> you're not the only one
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<JDHankle> dat markup tho.
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