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<lewix>
Michael__: dictionary...
<lewix>
Banistergalaxy: a quick quesiton about rails
<lewix>
oh this is the wrong one, banister`sleep
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<peta_>
When I split my object creation (Klass.allocate) from its initialization (klassObj.send :initialize), how can I check if it was really initialized? Does RUby offer some method for that?
<peta_>
like klassObj.initialized?
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<jahrichie>
hey all
<jahrichie>
any idea what date format this would be? startDate : "1357034400"
<darrik>
jahrichie: unix timestamp?
<jahrichie>
coo
<jahrichie>
i'll check the strf times
<waxjar>
peta_, i believe not
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<peta_>
waxjar: okay
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<peta_>
jahrichie: lol … please dont try to tell me that you've never seen a unix timestamp before?!
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<peta_>
;)
<jahrichie>
peta_: i have
<jahrichie>
wasn't sure
<jahrichie>
i thought iso at first
<jahrichie>
obvi i was way off
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<lewix>
is the rails channel not nearly as lively as this one or is it an impression
<Quadlex>
Lots of people are probably on their way to Railsconf
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<jahrichie>
protland this year
<jahrichie>
right?
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<jahrichie>
bummed i didnt buy tix
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<lewix>
In Rails I'm a little bit confused with methods. What methods are shared between the models,test,controllers, and modeld, and which aren't
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
ello. anyone care to inform me of the version of ruby that ships with ubuntu 12.04? #ubuntu seems non responsice
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<Z_Mass>
Possibly not the right place to ask, but I haven't had much luck on google for this. I'm using ST2, and every time I type 'do' I have to hit enter twice to get to the next line. Is there quick fix for that?
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<cptmorgan>
how would i write a if condition to match multiple values? Like <% if hostname == "hostname01,hostname02" %>
<Mon_Ouie>
Just use an or. if value == a || value == b
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<cptmorgan>
Mon_Ouie: kinda new to ruby, what do you mean by and or the || statement you wrote. Would that look like ...hostanme == "hostname01" || "hostname02" %>
<Mon_Ouie>
It would look like "if value == a || value == b"
<Mon_Ouie>
You should go back to reading some introduction to Ruby. That would most certainly be mentioned with conditionals, etc.
<AgentWillyWonka>
Mon_Ouie isn't saying match is in true but not or
<AgentWillyWonka>
so instead of || he would be using &&
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<Mon_Ouie>
value == a && value == b is always false (as long as a and b are different)
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<spike|spiegel>
as long as a != b :)
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<AgentWillyWonka>
there's the condensed version cptmorgan
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<hemanth>
>> [1,2,3,4,5,6][1,2,-1]
<eval-in_>
hemanth => /tmp/execpad-c1b4a9b62fb3/source-c1b4a9b62fb3:2:in `[]': wrong number of arguments (3 for 1..2) (ArgumentError) ... (http://eval.in/17934)
<hemanth>
:|
<hemanth>
meow
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<corehook>
hi all guys
<corehook>
i got error when starting script that work with HSM
<corehook>
redis ( LoadError )
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<corehook>
how and where i can get redis module ?
<corehook>
gem install redis # dont help
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<corehook>
sender.rb:5:in `require': no such file to load -- redis (LoadError)
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<project2501a>
if design patterns are easily recognizable, disentable, does that mean that in theory someone could create a code parser that can losely display the code flow? something like a summary of a module or a file.
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<keanehsiao>
hi body, how do I display \ between \" \ "
<keanehsiao>
I tried \\ but doesn't work
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<keanehsiao>
oh.. I wann use \ before "d" so it would like \" abc\d \" and I want keep \ before d
<troessner>
project2501a, you mean like ruby2uml?
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<troessner>
corehook, which rubyversion? rvm set up?
<corehook>
1.8.7
<corehook>
what is rvm ?
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<corehook>
i am python programmist so dont know all nicety
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<corehook>
ok ruby version manager
<corehook>
i must install it ?
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<Quadlex>
No, you don't have to, but it makes managing different versions of Ruby easier
<corehook>
i see
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<troessner>
corehook, you need to do require 'rubygems' before requiring redis
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<troessner>
corehook, and you wouldn't need to do that if you wouldnt use a ruby version that is heavily outdated
<troessner>
do yourself a favor and use ruby 2.0
<corehook>
its work!
<corehook>
thx
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<corehook>
1.8.7 is outdated ?
<troessner>
yes, heavily
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<troessner>
corehook, the core team will even stop supporting it pretty soon. *that* outdated
<troessner>
so better go for 2.0
<troessner>
;)
<corehook>
god bless all you
<corehook>
ok
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<codecaster>
Hi there
<codecaster>
lately I'm having issues with bundler and gem commands
<codecaster>
my computer hangs for some seconds when I run bundle install, gem whatever...
<codecaster>
do you know why this might be happening?
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<keanehsiao>
hi body, how do I display \ between \" \", I tried \\ but doesn't work… I wann use \ before "d" so it would like \" abc\d \" and I want keep \ before d
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
hullo. decided to get around to learning irb, question of "require"ing a prewritten script; how would I go about that?
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<rippa>
require 'script.rb'
<codecaster>
".rb" is optional
<codecaster>
and usually it's not used
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<rippa>
I use it to see at a glance which source files are mine
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
mhmm, but how do I use that without having to do the full path? I launch irb in the dir containing the script I wish to require
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
regardless of what I try i get cannot infer base path
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
nvm, I got it. bit of a shock when requireing my games script launched it XD
<ntzrmtthihu777>
hmm, but require 'zlib' returns false....
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<LennyLinux>
ntzrmtthihu777: you can use the -r option or, inside the irb: $LOAD_PATH.unshift '.'; require 'my_file'
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<LennyLinux>
irb -r./my_file.rb
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<givello>
Hey, I'm new to ruby and using a library called REXML, on linux (ubuntu). However, I can't access the doc of this library using ri, even though I can do it for the core ruby objects and methods. Any idea?
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<givello>
iMadper: yeah, that's what I'm doing right now but it's not really handy
<LennyLinux>
Is there any chance you installed the gem with --no-ri or --no-doc option?
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<givello>
LennyLinux: If I remember well I used some ubuntu package, I don't remember using a gem... Now I may be wrong about that
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<LennyLinux>
Then you could try to look the list of optional packages for that package, maybe you can install the docs, givello.
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<givello>
LennyLinux: I'll check to see if I really installed it that way and if I missed a package or two. Do you know where are the ruby docs installed on linux?
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<LennyLinux>
givello: idk, but think a subdir of `which ruby'
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<givello>
Okay, thanks
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<csmrfx>
givello: answer is not as simple as that
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<csmrfx>
givello: you would do well to open a terminal and try 'locate rdoc'
<csmrfx>
or: locate rdoc | less
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<givello>
csmrfx: Thanks a lot! turns out they are mostly in /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rdoc and /var/lib/gems/1.8/docs
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<LennyLinux>
givello: are you using ruby for work?
<givello>
LennyLinux: You could say that... Why the question?
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<LennyLinux>
givello: inquisitiveness. Because your nick looks italian and i'd like to know the spread of ruby in Italy's job world
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<givello>
LennyLinux: Haha, I'm not italian though :p It's a play on my family & first name initials
<LennyLinux>
:D
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<givello>
I'm French actually, and I'm making a quick script to generate some xml from another one, and I took this as an opportunity to learn ruby, if you want to know the whole story.
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<LennyLinux>
much better than using Java
<givello>
Well, I already learned ruby a bit a few months ago, to be honest, but never really used it
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
Armaments 2:9-21
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<LennyLinux>
lol
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<givello>
For what I'm doing it was more competing with python or perl, I guess, but that's true
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<lufi>
whats is your recommended GUI toolkit/library for ruby?
<ntzrmtthihu777>
lufi: I find wxruby to be tricky but powerful
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<lufi>
hmm ok taking note of that.
<csmrfx>
lufi: you could use any java gui toolkit, too
<lufi>
i was starting too look at shoes
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
I'm rather impressed with the scholarly accuracy of monty python's holy grail here. thats actuall old hebrew in the vorpal rabbits cave
<ntzrmtthihu777>
proper letters at least. whether or not it says what it says it says idk.
<csmrfx>
lufi: afaik shoes is more an experiment than actual tool
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<whowantstolivefo>
hiya, im trying to figure out ruby fundamentals via ruby koans, i checked at ruby core page also but i still cant figure out whats ` assert and assert_equal and assert_* methods and what work for ?
<ntzrmtthihu777>
correct me if I'm wrong, each is more or less standard ruby, right? as in iterating through an array?
<whowantstolivefo>
i am at that page already, i readed there, just didnt englightment good myself
<csmrfx>
whowantstolivefo: yeah it expects you to require a gem or library
<csmrfx>
perhaps Test::Unit
<csmrfx>
many others provide assert
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<whowantstolivefo>
csmrfx: ok, stop stuck at here for me, and keep doing , and start learning ruby :)
<whowantstolivefo>
thank you csmrfx~
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<csmrfx>
whowantstolivefo: also, look into TDD, Test Driven Developement
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<tobiasvl>
ntzrmtthihu777: yes, each is very much standard ruby
<tobiasvl>
ntzrmtthihu777: it's the ruby way of iterating/enumerating
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<whowantstolivefo>
csmrfx: i have no too much programming backgrouund and try to learn ruby.. and from almost stratch.. i started and looked many ruby and rails sites, whenever i wanna go deep, i get into stuck at some parts and at #ruby my friends suggessted to me at first learn Ruby basics and fundemantal, after i can pass other subjects with related programming ruby
<ntzrmtthihu777>
tobiasvl: then why does irb not respond to it? is there something I should be requireing but am passing over?
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<tobiasvl>
ntzrmtthihu777: respond to it? what do you mean by that? what code are you trying to run?
<ntzrmtthihu777>
its a bit of rubyscript that operates inside of RPG maker's rgss, trying to decode a zlib compressed data file :P
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<tobiasvl>
ntzrmtthihu777: but what are you trying to call each on?
<tobiasvl>
it's an instance method that not every class has
<csmrfx>
whowantstolivefo: good on you! and yes, TDD is more about software production methodology
<tobiasvl>
so i'm not sure what you mean by irb not responding to it
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
within rgss, that is inserted into the games code itself, this works perfectly fine and dumps the contents of the scripts database file into one neat text file quite cleanly.
<tobiasvl>
rgss?
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
Ruby Game Scripting System, or somethin like that. forget exactly.
<tobiasvl>
ntzrmtthihu777: so that problem is that on line 12, you get a NoMethodError because input doesn't have an each method?
<tobiasvl>
or am i misunderstanding
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<tobiasvl>
you're not exactly giving a clear problem description :P
<ntzrmtthihu777>
exactly.
<MrZYX>
ntzrmtthihu777: what's the exact error you're getting
<tobiasvl>
ntzrmtthihu777: but what is input? where do you call decode_rx and what are you giving as the second argument?
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<tobiasvl>
ntzrmtthihu777: you never use script for anything, sure you didn't mean to call script.each?
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
NoMethodError: undefined method `each' for "Data/Scripts.rxdata":String from /home/ntzrmtthihu777/.src/RPG-Forge/Default_Game/decode.rb:14:in `decode_rx' from (irb):2 from /home/ntzrmtthihu777/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.3-p392/bin/irb:16:in `<main>'
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<tobiasvl>
so input is a string
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<MrZYX>
ntzrmtthihu777: so you're calling .each on a string
<tobiasvl>
what would you thing String#each would do?
<tobiasvl>
think
<tobiasvl>
what behavior were you expecting?
<ntzrmtthihu777>
actually I'm trying to call each on the contents of the file named by the string.
<ntzrmtthihu777>
I may have messed something up, one sec.
<tobiasvl>
okay, and you though ruby would automatically know that's what you were trying to do
<ntzrmtthihu777>
nope. I'm not stupid, but machines are.
<tobiasvl>
hehe
<MrZYX>
script.each then
<ntzrmtthihu777>
actually I think I may have messed up the snippet when I generalized it. one sec.
<ntzrmtthihu777>
yeah, lemme tweak it again. had a derp.
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
ok, this time it returned nil. lemme examine the file it shoulda produced.
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
and that did it. you have my permission to deride me XD
<ammar_>
hi, i am looking for some source to read and understand modules
<ntzrmtthihu777>
google is your friend :D
<ammar_>
yeah
<ntzrmtthihu777>
quite frankly I learn alot from picking apart existing code, tis fun
<MrZYX>
ammar_: github code search is your friend too
<ammar_>
thats what i am talking about, as i am more interested in learning by example
<ammar_>
thanks
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
MrZYX: close enough.
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<MrZYX>
yeah, I might have messed up the order of arguments of File::write
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
lol
<tobiasvl>
ntzrmtthihu777: and a couple of style conventions: use do/end instead of {} when you have multiline blocks, and make sure to indent your blocks properly
<MrZYX>
well, there are two schools for do/end vs {}, one says use do/end for multline, the other says use {} when the return value of the block matters
<tobiasvl>
really. that sounds absurd imho
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<tobiasvl>
the latter one, that is
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<lufi>
so i was trying to use sqlite3 .is there a big difference using apt-get vs installing it via gem?
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<MrZYX>
tobiasvl: foo.map do |bar|\nbar=smth_long_to_do_with_bar(bar)\n bar.to_s\nend.join doesn't look very nice, that's why
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
quite frankly I'm not so much worried about purdy atm, I'm just learning here XD
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
is there a method to learn which version of marshal was used to write an object?
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<csmrfx>
lufi: apt-getting sqlite3 will only install it for the OS
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<csmrfx>
lufi: apt-getting an sqlite3 gem will install bd-layer for ruby, but only for the current ruby
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<lufi>
oh so it means i wont be using sqlite for other things?
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<csmrfx>
lufi: gem installing will install db-layer, possibly only for the current ruby or all
<lufi>
suppose that i use apt-get. how can i use sqlite3? will `require "sqlite3"` will do?
<csmrfx>
lufi: apt-get and rubygems are not 'aware' of each other
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<csmrfx>
lufi: if you use apt-get, and apt-get install both ruby and the sqlite gem, all will work fine
<ntzrmtthihu777>
csmrfx: yeah. twas hell getting all of rubysdl to work, for that very reason XD
<MrZYX>
lufi: what package are you actually talking about when you say apt-get?
<lufi>
sqlite3
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<MrZYX>
that will only install the library, not the bindings to ruby
<csmrfx>
My personal recommendation for Debian Ruby users is: * if you can find all the gems you need in apt-get, apt-get install ruby, and gems (fast!)
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
lufi: in my experience gems are most interested in lib*-dev stuffs
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<csmrfx>
* if not, use RVM
<MrZYX>
that's what the gem is for, making the libraries functions available to ruby
<ntzrmtthihu777>
csmrfx: I just use rvm now :P
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<csmrfx>
Also, people tell me newest debians apt-get and gems "play nice" with each other.
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<csmrfx>
(Debian Squeeze)
<ntzrmtthihu777>
no clue. xubuntu man myself.
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<csmrfx>
Same things apply to not-newest Ubuntu's to some extent, afaics
* csmrfx
--> Use RVM ;)
<ntzrmtthihu777>
heh. I use 12.04.2; sticking with it til the next lts
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<pagios>
how can i accept arguments sent from ajax xmlrequest into sinatra?
<csmrfx>
session vars
<ntzrmtthihu777>
anyone here with a fair amount of wxruby xp willing to tutor me sometime in the near future?
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<lxsameer>
hi, when i try to install a gem using --verbose argument of gem, i can see that gem redirect to a lot of hosts, why?
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<csmrfx>
lxsameer: what do you mean, exactly? pastie?
<lxsameer>
csmrfx: let me
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<lxsameer>
csmrfx: currently it stalled and i don't know why
<lxsameer>
csmrfx: here is the current ouput hi, when i try to install a gem using --verbose argument of gem, i can see that gem redirect to a lot of hosts, why?
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<fbernier>
I've got a class method in which I get the callee class using self.class. Sometimes, a block is passed using this method. self.class does not workin in this case. Is there a workaround?
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<tobiasvl>
fbernier: can we see the code?
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
question: is there a simple way to write the output of an irb command to a text file?
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<MrZYX>
ruby -e "code" > textfile
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<MrZYX>
File.write 'textfile', (code).inspect
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<nobitanobi>
Which class should I check when loading a YAML file?
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<nobitanobi>
I mean, the exception class that I should check if the loading fails
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<MrZYX>
depends on how it fails
<nobitanobi>
just for opening
<nobitanobi>
I mean, if the file does not exist
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<MrZYX>
Errno::ENOENT
<nobitanobi>
mmm, is it possible to know the class once is rescued?
<nobitanobi>
without having to specify?
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<MrZYX>
hm?
<MrZYX>
why?
<nobitanobi>
I am wondering if I do a rescue, but I don't know what am I actually rescuing, how can I know the exception that I rescued?
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<banister`sleep>
nobitanobi: rescue Blah => ex
<banister`sleep>
it's in 'ex'
<tobiasvl>
ex.class
<nobitanobi>
oh, ok
<nobitanobi>
so I can put Blah randomly there
<nobitanobi>
I thought I needed to put the exact class
<MrZYX>
no
<MrZYX>
you need to
<banister`sleep>
nobitanobi: wtf..
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<MrZYX>
please just answer my question on why you think you need to do that
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<banister`sleep>
Blah is just a placeholder for the exception class you want to rescue (and all its subclasses)
<tobiasvl>
you can just do `rescue => ex`
<MrZYX>
but it's really really bad pratice
<tobiasvl>
in order to catch anything
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<nobitanobi>
MrZYX, because just imagine that I want to learn which class I am trying to rescue, for the sake of it...
<MrZYX>
it's written in the error message
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<tobiasvl>
MrZYX: "the error message" is a vague data structure
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<MrZYX>
>> File.read("not_me")
<eval-in>
MrZYX => /tmp/execpad-2a830e5b0820/source-2a830e5b0820:2:in `read': No such file or directory - not_me (Errno::ENOENT) ... (http://eval.in/17961)
<tobiasvl>
if he wants to know the exception class cynamically "the error message" is of little use
<MrZYX>
humans are good at parsing vague data structures :P
<MrZYX>
tobiasvl: his use case was to find the error class to rescue, not to dynamically process it
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<nobitanobi>
Basically my problem is that I like that raise of that error if the file does not exist, but I want to change the text that it shows to be more explanatory.
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<nobitanobi>
But I feel that "rescuing" the exception and raising it again with another text is a little bit "ugly"
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<banister`sleep>
nobitanobi: it's fine
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<banister`sleep>
but maybe not raise teh same exception again, but one more specific (provided by your library) that better expresses the type of error
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<aedorn>
ntzrmtthihu777: Okay, so you want deconstruction knowledge. So the inspected instance of this RPG::Map object is what you have. That contains variables (as indicated by the values beginning with a '@', such as @data.) Each variable has a value that contains a number, string (enclosed with ""), hash (enclosed with {}), array (enclosed with []) or another instance of a class (#<ClassName>).
* ntzrmtthihu777
takes notes
<MrZYX>
not to forget :symbols :P
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<Hanmac>
or the :"sym bols"
<ntzrmtthihu777>
MrZYX: yes, but I don't see any of those in this XD
<ntzrmtthihu777>
Hanmac: sup man
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<aedorn>
ntzrmtthihu777: More than likely, for you, what you're most interested in is that @data variable way down at the end which is an array of integers. That seems to be your actual map matrix. A lot of the other stuff is just noise (literally and figuratively, because there's plenty of BGM variables!)
<ntzrmtthihu777>
yes, you saw those too eh?
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
see, like Hanmac, I'm working on a rpg ide, basically. what I'm looking to do is come up with a map format a bit more easily accessible to human beings.
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<aedorn>
So you have a z, x, y sizes (@zsize=3, @ysize=15, @xsize=20), which means you should be able to build a mathematical matrix that's 20x15x3, and the integers will fill that matrix in the order it's given. More than likely, anyway, where each integer is a representation of a tile.
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
thats what I thought.
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
could this be written in say an xml file and read into the games code?
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<aedorn>
If the code supports it, sure. I doubt you'd want XML for that type of data, though.
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
aedorn: why not xml, may I ask?
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<Hanmac>
ntzrmtthihu777: hm for sample our maker will use this http://www.mapeditor.org/ map format ... (another reason why our maker is not backwards compatible to the enterbrain maker)
<csmrfx>
ntzrmtthihu777: you want yaml
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<aedorn>
XML is going to work okay for all that data until you hit the mapping side, and then it's just going to be really ugly.
<ntzrmtthihu777>
Hanmac: not really looking to be backwards compatable, just familiar
<ntzrmtthihu777>
aedorn: because of the three layers and the nesting headaches?
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<aedorn>
ntzrmtthihu777: Exactly. Or you'll end up doing the same thing as that Ruby object, where it's a single array in a scanning order - where item 1 in the array is the upper left corner of the map (more than likely) and the last element is the lower right corner.
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
like an old raw bitmap where lxw data is not encoded, no?
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<csmrfx>
arrays of arrays would drop well into a CSV file, too
<ntzrmtthihu777>
so in theory this takes the first 20x15 items in the array for the first z layer, and the second set as the second z layer, and the final set as the top z layer?
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<abhinavmehta>
Hi to Ruby Community!
<abhinavmehta>
I'm new to Ruby-Land and looking to quickly delve into the platform; Please suggest headstart pointers, not the standard-docs…I'll be reading docs, once I'm good with platform.
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
abhinavmehta: best advice to you I can give: read and play
<aedorn>
ntzrmtthihu777: Pretty much
<abhinavmehta>
not just about syntaxes in ruby, but looking something where I can also learn how to set production ready env for ruby
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<abhinavmehta>
ntzrmtthihu777: no doubt, thats the approach…but would love to hear more than that.
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<abhinavmehta>
ntzrmtthihu777: BTW thank you! :)
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
aedorn: could I not have data, with a sub header of <param z=1> and the data for layer 1, </param>, then so on for each later?
<ntzrmtthihu777>
*layer?
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<Hanmac>
ntzrmtthihu777: with the tmx format you probably could ;P
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<aedorn>
ntzrmtthihu777: No reason you can't. It's just not going to look the greatest is all. It's all preference at that point. Well, preference and performance, but on a 2D mapping system your data format shouldn't be a bottleneck no matter what you do. Not that it can't happen, just should not.
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<ntzrmtthihu777>
aedorn: now did you look at that paste? you notice the info after the colons, what is that, a random number of some sort?
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<MrZYX>
the object_id iirc
<aedorn>
You mean like this "RPG::AudioFile:0x0000000287b2a0" ?
<ntzrmtthihu777>
aedorn: yeah. its hex, no? but what is the significance, I wonder.
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<MrZYX>
ntzrmtthihu777: actually it's the internal pointer address of that object
<aedorn>
ntzrmtthihu777: You have class names separated by "::", so in that you have a class of AudioFile with a parent class of RPG. The hex value at the end is the memory address.
<ntzrmtthihu777>
MrZYX: izzat so... so in theory I could call object_id of this map instaed of the name?
<ntzrmtthihu777>
mhmm, from the cache I assume...
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<aedorn>
and I'm being called to go save the world ... or at least a Linux system. So .. be back.
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<platzhirsch1>
should I use instance_variable_set or send for setting a property dynamically?
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<MrZYX>
if there's a setter, send
<MrZYX>
this way the implementation can change without changing the callers code
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<platzhirsch1>
MrZYX: fair enough
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<fbernier>
so, I've got a class method defined in a module which is being included in a class. when this method is called, I can get the class where this method was called with "self". But sometimes, this method is called inside a block so now I can't get what I want with "self". Anyone understand my explanation and have a clue how I could solve this?
<ntzrmtthihu777>
Hanmac: that seems to be an interesting idea...
<MrZYX>
that's not executable
<ntzrmtthihu777>
later all.
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<fbernier>
so on the first field method call, I get MyModule::AnotherModule::Elements::Document
<fbernier>
and the second, an anonymous class
<whowantstolivefo>
MrZYX: and Hanmac: thanks for good suggestions to me abour learning ruby. last week i look at the fundamentals of ruby and now im doing example by myself with ruby with koans. things getting more clear day by day and i am started to figure out codes and lines
<fbernier>
but instead of the anonymous class I want the same as when it's not called from withing a block
<shevy>
right now I am lucky to not have my system crash
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<shevy>
I am using a shit called iceweasel right now
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<peta_>
so fcuking stunned by rspec
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<peta_>
is there a way to find out if myObj has extended ModuleA ?
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<peta_>
(without having to iterate over ModuleAs public methods and checking if myObj contains it)
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<Mon_Ouie>
myObj.is_a? ModuleA
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<Mon_Ouie>
Notice it's usually better to either not check at all or (if needed) to check for the method you're going to call
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<keanehsiao>
hi body, how do I display \ between \" \", I tried \\ but doesn't work… I wann use \ before "d" so it would like \" abc\d \" and I want keep \ before d
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<uncleBob>
So who the #FCUK is responsible for the +b #FCUKery on #rubyonrails pls..
<MrZYX>
you sound like you want another one for #ruby
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<uncleBob>
MrZYZ: no we don't..
<uncleBob>
MrZYX: howzit..
<Hanmac>
... i know why i am not in the rails channel
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<uncleBob>
MrZYX: can u sort me out..
<peta_>
Mon_Ouie: ok
<uncleBob>
like remove the ban..
<uncleBob>
pls..
<MrZYX>
no
<uncleBob>
why not..
<MrZYX>
I've no ops there
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<uncleBob>
cool..
<MrZYX>
nor do I know anybody who has
<uncleBob>
no probs.. u r the man anyways.. like i told u number of times already right..
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<uncleBob>
keanehsiao: ASSK.torserver.net:9001
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<MrZYX>
uncleBob: why do you think you got the +b?
<uncleBob>
yeah yeah yeah..
<Mon_Ouie>
What's that link?
<uncleBob>
ASSK or try !help
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<MrZYX>
because everyone except you is so stupid? including me (being tempted to request a ban for you)?
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<uncleBob>
MrZYX: no u don't..
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<uncleBob>
MrZYX: we just need help, that's all..
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<csmrfx>
locl jo,
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<csmrfx>
oops
<platzhirsch1>
yaml comes with Ruby, so I cannot add it as gem to my Gemfile, do I still need to "require" it?
<csmrfx>
Meant to say: kick him
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<uncleBob>
csmrfx: ~FCUK~THAT~SHIT~ pls..
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<Hanmac>
platzhirsch1: yes
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<Mon_Ouie>
What was it anyway?
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<platzhirsch1>
Hanmac: that cannot be circumvented?
<MrZYX>
nothing
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<jinkle>
i'm trying to use active_support's monkeypatching of Hash in a lib, but require 'active_support/all' doesn't seem to be enough. still get deep_symbolize_keys not found
<jinkle>
what do i need to do to get this to work?
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<Hanmac>
platzhirsch1: no i tihnk you cant
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<_helpbot_>
Hanmac: u r right bro..
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<Hanmac>
Mon_Ouie: i think _helpbot_ wants to fool you
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<rismoney>
is there a way to interact with dotnet libraries using ffi or similar gems? I see only win32/unmanaged interaction
* MrZYX
is tempted to get the eliza irc bot online
<Mon_Ouie>
Oh, same person
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* csmrfx
reboot
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<_helpbot_>
Mon_Ouie: no he does NAUGHT N0T NAUGHTY NAUGHTY NAUGHTY..
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<csmrfx>
ok, so rubymarkers denote failed tests
<ericwood>
everything scares you, shevy
<wmoxam>
TM is for Mac users, E-editor is for Windows folks, Sublime is cross platform :p
<shevy>
ericwood nah, ruby is ok
<deepy>
I like Sublime a lot
<shevy>
ericwood though some parts of ruby scare me :)
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<ericwood>
metaprogramming scares me sometimes
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<ericwood>
I had this one coworker would would metaprogram in his tests, and it was incromprehensible
<MrZYX>
deepy: run it with --trace
<ericwood>
ugh
<ddd>
shevy: hit https://github.com/ddd/dotfiles/tree/master/vim and see if anything in there interests you. I've a fairly complete vim setup thats easy to use (I don't like a lot of keystrokes sinc ei have to remember them all hehe)
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<csmrfx>
only thing that scares me is when someone asks me to explain ruby metaclasses
<shevy>
ericwood yeah, my main problem with metaprogramming was that, when I look at the code like six months later, it takes me long to understand what is going on
<ericwood>
csmrfx: the only thing that scares me is you explaining metaclasses ;)
<ddd>
shevy: the only thing I think you might not like is that I use NERDTree for navigation. but thats easily removed.
<csmrfx>
ericwood: you sound sane!
<shevy>
ddd the name alone scares me
<ericwood>
you don't know me well enough
<shevy>
NERDTree
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<ericwood>
NERDTree is great
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<ddd>
hehe its just a navigation tool. its pretty decent, or so I think. you can always remove the plugin. just delete the vim/bundle/nerdtree directory, remove the 2-3 nerdtree changes I made in .vimrc, and you should be good
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<ddd>
actually you won't have to edit vimrc because you're not using mine
<ericwood>
I highly recommend starting a .vimrc from scratch and using vundle to install plugins
<ericwood>
makes it easy to add/remove them and try them out on the fly
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<ddd>
ericwood: I sort of like vundle. I'm a pathogen and manual vim/bundle/ type personally.
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<ddd>
but thats just me
<ericwood>
I hate manual labor
<ericwood>
when it comes to computers, that is
<ddd>
hehe
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<ericwood>
computer! do work for me!
<ddd>
for me its because i haven't settled on a definitive bundle set yet.
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<ericwood>
"shit, I ordered that wrong" --> restart server --> wait --> bang head against desk
<ericwood>
--> repeat
<ddd>
the set i'm using right now is more than fairly good at covering POR and Rails apps, along with gisting and git coverage, so i'm working on refining it a bit.
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<ddd>
i love my jruby over mri, i just wish the spinup time wasn't so long. only really annoying thing i have to complain about thus far
<ericwood>
yeah, pretty much
<ericwood>
also, the RAM requirements are insane...
<csmrfx>
ddd: cant you set up a ruby application server?
<ddd>
oh yeah, especially when bundling
<ddd>
holy shit that was insane
<ericwood>
every once and a while it leaks and I have to killall -9 java
<ddd>
csmrfx: for?
<csmrfx>
ddd for running ruby without jvm startup time
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<ddd>
hmm, not sure. i honestly haven;t looked into that. the spinup time complaint is during development, where it should be expected
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<ddd>
i've heard (but never tried) a few things for speeding it up, but mostly things like guard etc. my production site uses jruby and once the initial spinup is done, the site is responsive as hell. its just in development that its a pita
<ericwood>
jvm startup time isn't always the bottleneck, getting the rails stuff up and running for some reason takes longer with jruby...
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<ericwood>
I set up drip and it didn't seem to help much
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<ddd>
hmm, drip. haven't heard of that one.
<Norrin>
jruby still the only implementation with real threads?
<ddd>
ericwood: if you can kick me a URL, I'll check it out when I get back. gotta go get my dogs some dogfood before they start eating the furniture
<peta_>
I can only imagine that the author wants to allow the calling method to use the returned enumerator exactly like the object it was created from … with just another internal state ...
<peta_>
kind of shorthand function
<MrZYX>
yup, but as said it dynamcially extending stuff should be avoided
<MrZYX>
it wipes the method caches and therefore makes ruby slower
<peta_>
okay
<MrZYX>
so it's fine to do on class definition when ruby boots up
<MrZYX>
but not doing it all the time doing the program
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<MrZYX>
*during
<peta_>
then i will just wipe that part out
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<jaybe>
hi. creating sites with ruby/jekyll and enjoy the dynamic/static nature, flexibility, and power. would also like to provide commenting but do not wish to use third party services such as Disqus, etc. experience and or recommendations for a self-hosted and contained commenting system that would be secure, appropriate?
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<ddd>
ericwood: thanks. will go through it later today. Just read the README for now. (Lots going in IRL in the house so no time to really play yet)
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<peta_>
MrZYX: okay, it seems like other parts of the application rely on this crap. An alternative would be to create a custom Enumerator subclass where needed, right?
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<shevy>
I want a RubyOS
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<aedorn>
shevy: First ... you need a Ruby shell that can do everything Ruby+console stuff. So... technically you can build the kernel, and then add in the file system the ruby core. Make it so when the kernel boots it loads pry as your shell. Then you have RubyOS. It boots to Ruby, and all you can do is Ruby. Hmmmm... of course you won't be able to update Ruby since its directly attached in your FS that's embedded i
<aedorn>
n the kernel!
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<shevy>
see, it's the little things that make this impossible
<shevy>
there is no great ruby shell as of yet
<MrZYX>
so first step-1: run ruby on ruby. wait...
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<MrZYX>
now I get what they're doing
<aedorn>
I actually got a system to boot like that... so it boots right into Pry! You can't do anything after that. At all. Pretty sure it kernel panics and dies.
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<shevy>
hehehe
<aedorn>
It was then that it occurred to me something was missing...
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<ccolorado>
Hello, I am having a very hard time trying to install Ruby on rails on my laptop, It seems that rvm is tring to get some files from the web that dont exists. Any idea how can I fix this ? https://gist.github.com/ccolorado/5483088
<shevy>
Hanmac didn't that guy have this very question 3 weeks ago already?
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<platzhirsch>
MrZYX: additionally or instead?
<MrZYX>
instead of?
<platzhirsch>
MrZYX: works like a charm, but I had to require both!
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<platzhirsch>
sidekiq seems to be a very handy framework, it's just a bit development overhead at the moment launching a seperate database, a seperate process
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<MrZYX>
yup, I always just inline the jobs in the dev env
<MrZYX>
unless I specifically need to test the concurrency
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<Rennex>
ruby makes / work as a path separator in windows, so i just use that
<Rennex>
or maybe it's the windows api itself
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<shevy>
yeah
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<MrZYX>
I like Pathname
<shevy>
I always thought File.join was necessary to make scripts work on windows too, until I found out that my scripts with the hardcoded / work on windows just as well
<ziggles>
aedorn: is share/ a common structure? I've never seen that.
<aedorn>
share/sounds is the usual Linux path for audio files. Well, specifically /usr/share/sounds, or /usr/local/share/sounds
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<shevy>
ziggles linux filesystem is madness
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<ziggles>
aedorn: oh! perfect. so just to be clear would it be lib/share/sounds or share/sounds ?
<shevy>
ziggles it can not be lib/ because it is not a library
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<ziggles>
shevy: makes sense.
<ziggles>
cool. thanks a lot guys
<aedorn>
yeah, what he said
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<atmosx>
I'd put it on lib
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<shevy>
but try not to understand the linux filesystem, it became recreational, the old hackers are too lazy to type things, so we have stuff like /usr or /home or /boot or /bin or /srv or /sys
<atmosx>
I have mp3 player sitting right on my library
<atmosx>
2 speakers
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<shevy>
and now, I even have /selinux
<atmosx>
shevy: what distro, fedora?
<shevy>
oh yes also /tmp and /var
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<shevy>
atmosx, hmm kanotix right now (this uses debian sid)
<atmosx>
no fedora has the other shit-storm called something shield-or-somethin
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<shevy>
and /proc and /opt
<atmosx>
kanotix..
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<ziggles>
anyone in the sf bay area just feel an earthquake?
<shevy>
and /etc and /dev too
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<shevy>
ziggles in central europe no earthquake right now
<atmosx>
ziggles: no, but you go offline, we'll know.
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<atmosx>
in eastern europe, neither
<atmosx>
any1 from JP?
<shevy>
I think I experienced only one very minor earthquake ever
<aedorn>
ziggles: It's not an earthquake... it's a nuke from North Korea!
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<shevy>
do their rockets even fly at all :P
<atmosx>
aedorn: hmm that would be funny
<atmosx>
well not for ziggles
<atmosx>
of course
<shevy>
hahaha
<atmosx>
lol
<ziggles>
atmosx: i think only hawaiians might find it not funny
<shevy>
imagine a world with total disarmament
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<atmosx>
We could on how many movies will Hollywood made out of it (if there's still a hollywood after a nuc bomb hits california)
<atmosx>
shevy: hm, I can't
<aedorn>
atmosx: There won't be a Hollywood left... but that's okay, because we always have Bollywood!
<shevy>
atmosx why can't you? all it takes is a change in the way how economy works, and direct democracy everywhere
<ziggles>
I'm gonna make like a baby and head out. Thanks again for the help guys
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<atmosx>
shevy: well, I don't see China and France or USA for that matter getting disarmed (voluntarily)
<aedorn>
atmosx: Yes. Loved it. Too bad Hemlock Grove was a disaster of a series, because House of Cards made them look professional, and better than most other crap series out right now.
<shevy>
atmosx well, that way you enter the cycle of who-has-the-best-weapons
<aedorn>
USA - We'd rather die than let our guns go.
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<atmosx>
aedorn: you know the original series is from BBC?
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<atmosx>
the phrase "I can't possibly comment" used by many brittish politicians came out of the BBC series heh
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<atmosx>
aedorn: yeah, we figured :-P
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<aedorn>
atmosx: I do. I've seen that one also, but I'll still say the new rendition was just more powerful and driving. It's probably just because of Kevin Spacey, though.
<atmosx>
shevy: he says that they can't even disarm regular blokes in the USA
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<atmosx>
yeah Spacey was more than awesome, he convicned that he was a perfect selfish son of a bitch, as any respectful politician should be
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<aedorn>
hmmm... so I started writing an app to scour reviews, and aggregate them together. Yes. I'm rebuilding metacritic, but for cookware. I hate buying crappy pans.
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<aedorn>
So while my friends were having a gun control debate, I was frantically searching for the best iron clad skillet I could find. I feel like I'm winning the argument!
<adamjleonard>
Is there a way to prevent re-assignment to a variable in Ruby?
<adamjleonard>
I'm thinking something like .freeze method, but doesn't allow re-assignment either
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<aedorn>
So not just freezing the value, but making it the only variable that can hold the value at all?
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<Sou|cutter>
adamjleonard: No.
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<adamjleonard>
Sou|cutter: that's what I thought
<Sou|cutter>
adamjleonard: why would you want that?
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<adamjleonard>
Sou|cutter: I don't. Attempting to compare languages to someone and I wasn't sure if there was a magical way to have an immutable variable"
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<adamjleonard>
aedorn: What I was looking for was if I assign foo to "bar" and attempt to assign foo to something else, it would fail. But it's not something that exists in the standard lib
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<Amnesia>
is anyone over here using vim?
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<Amnesia>
if so, does one of you folks know a smarter alternative to omnicompletion?
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<Amnesia>
I've found rsense, but imo it's pretty ridiculous to have to require java in order to have sane autocompletion...
<Sou|cutter>
adamjleonard: well I mean there are consts, but even those are settable. Things can be effectively immutable in ruby if you treat them that way, but actually locking things down is impossible given the nature of the language
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<adamjleonard>
Sou|cutter: Right
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<adamjleonard>
Sou|cutter: thanks for responding
<otters>
are there any ruby libraries for modifying FLAC metadata?
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<slash_nick>
The API i need to talk to doesn't wanna talk back :(
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<Amnesia>
anyone:)?
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<slash_nick>
Amnesia: I have never heard of omnicompletion
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<Amnesia>
it's autocompletion
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<slash_nick>
Amnesia: naw
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<slash_nick>
Amnesia: mind if I ask, what are you trying to do?
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<aedorn>
adamjleonard: Yeah, made more sense when you said immutable ... heh
<Amnesia>
I'm trying to set up a decent ruby IDE
<Amnesia>
using vim
<adamjleonard>
aedorn: cool :)
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<adamjleonard>
Actually, re-read that. Oh
<adamjleonard>
aedorn: In a language like Scala there are values, which are immutable. You cannot re-assign them to something else.
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<Amnesia>
miroatme: doesn't say anything 'bout completion:)
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<slash_nick>
Amnesia: I must be lucky... I have autocomplete (Ctrl+P when half way through some code), but I don't remember setting it up
<Amnesia>
thats supertab
<Amnesia>
afaik
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<aedorn>
adamjleonard: No, I understand that .. when you asked I think I read "variable" as "value". Don't worry, I'm sleep deprived and confused easily by my own thoughts right now!
<adamjleonard>
Haha okay aedorn :)
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<miroatme>
that would be vim abbv function
<miroatme>
Amnesia:
<miroatme>
that would be something that you would need to write your self
<miroatme>
unless the internet has done it for you
<insel>
hi, is there a code formater tool for ruby? (like perltidy for perl)
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<atmosx>
frmater tool?
<atmosx>
whad does a formater tool do?
<Seus>
i'd guess clean up code indentation, brackets, etc.
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<insel>
insert spaces tabs
<insel>
to make it readable
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<atmosx>
space tabs are evil
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<atmosx>
like vim does with '=' on selected text?
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<atmosx>
doesn't add anything to the code though
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<insel>
if puts "muh" end is transformed in (sorry for flooding)
<insel>
if
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<ctp>
Hi folks. What's the most performant way to execute JS directly after a HTTP request in Ruby? I know about all the test frameworks like HtmlUnit, Celerity, Capybara + PhantomJS == Poltergeist, CasperJS etc. but they're still test frameworks. What I need is a simple way to execute all JS code which is included in HTML after fetching the URL e.g. by Net::Http. Any ideas?
<insel>
<spacespacespacespace>puts "muh"
<insel>
end
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<atmosx>
insel: all editors can do that (I think).
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<atmosx>
you don't need an external tool to do it.