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<eam>
Does Ruby have anything along the lines of Perl's Scalar::Util::looks_like_number() ?
<eam>
something to examine whether an object can be meaningfully converted into a numeric value
<eam>
well, a string
<eam>
looks like I can use Float()
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<shevy>
looks like number? what is this doing hmm
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<shevy>
regex wont work? hmm "5" =~ /\d/
<shevy>
or class String; def is_a_number?; return true if self =~ /\d+/
<eam>
it's very complicated to regex
<eam>
\d+ won't do it
<eam>
need to allow for ., "e" and a host of other corner cases
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<eam>
better to just hook the code that ruby uses internally to cast
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<eam>
though, looks like Float() isn't quite perfect -- it won't accept NaN
<eam>
and "NaN".to_f => 0.0
<eam>
that's broken
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<eam>
odd, does ruby have a way to state a float literal for NaN and Infinity?
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<eam>
I can create them with math, but it appears I can't name them
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<delinquentme>
anyone in here happen to have a guess as how to create a bot to run and make clicks inside diablo3 with ruby?
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<avtobiff>
hi! i am wondering about a ruby 1.8/1.9 issue. when i run the tests for rubymail they succeed all of them with ruby 1.8 but all fail with ruby 1.9 because in setup method's first line the local variable "name" is referenced.
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<avtobiff>
it seems this contains the test method name (when printing "name" and running with ruby 1.8). how do i port this to ruby 1.9?
<seanstickle>
What's the actual error?
<delinquentme>
seanstickle, so that makes sense and I can kind of parallel it with autotesting .. however the actually running of d3 happen in java then right?
<delinquentme>
like ruby would execute through java whatever command to run the program
<avtobiff>
NameError: undefined local variable or method `name' for #<TextRMailParserPushbackReader:0x91778d0> /home/avtobiff/debian/lab/ruby-rubymail/test/testbase.rb:106:in `setup'
<avtobiff>
seanstickle, ^
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<avtobiff>
for all 177 tests
<delinquentme>
and then i'd be able to program in ruby commands to click button and the like
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<seanstickle>
delinquentme: jruby would just run on the side and issue mouse commands to the d3 app
<seanstickle>
delinquentme: and keyboard commands and whatnot
<deryl>
blast_hardcheese, actually ActiveRecord isn't just a rails thing. its independent of rails. its a ruby thing, just rails pulled it in and built around it
<deryl>
err bluebie even
<bluebie>
deryl: good to know!
* TTilus
goes look at the gist
<Smirnov>
been banging my head aginst this error for a while
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<Smirnov>
actually i get that errror if all I do is reference ActiveRecord::Base :(
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<Smirnov>
must be some sort of magic handshake i forgot to do first?
<TTilus>
weird error, need to try that out myself,code looks perfectly legit
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<TTilus>
hmm, require 'activerecord'
<Smirnov>
i get a "no such file to load" in that case TTilus
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<Smirnov>
i'm on ubuntu 10.04 LTS fyi
<Smirnov>
but i just grabbed the activerecord gem an hour ago
<Smirnov>
oh well i guess i can just use the sqlite3 gem , this is too much hassle
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<Smirnov>
i guess its not as straight forward to use if its not in rails which is too bad
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<banisterfiend>
Boohbah: sup boob
<Boohbah>
banisterfiend: hey, just started learning rails :)
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<banisterfiend>
Boohbah: dark, dark we all go into the dark..
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<Boohbah>
heh
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<sire>
@banisterfiend you still around?
<sire>
can anyone help with a problem i am having trying to push to heroku
<banisterfiend>
sire: maybe, what u got for me homes
<banisterfiend>
sire: nah, no experience there sry
<banisterfiend>
sire: no pvt msg pls
<banisterfiend>
np
<banisterfiend>
:)
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<platzhirsch>
I've defined a method in a ruby file and require it in another file, but the method is undefined when executed, what am I doing wrong or do I have to use include here?
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<spikku>
make.exe has stopped working\
* spikku
sighs
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<Sigma00>
platzhirsch: is the method in a class or a module?
<platzhirsch>
Sigma00: in a method
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* Sigma00
shrugs, it should work if you're using require_relative
<platzhirsch>
Sigma00: it works, I didn't know where the problems was I retyped the method invocation and everything was fine
<Sigma00>
heh, weird
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<shevy>
weird
<shevy>
that is my middlename!
<apeiros_>
eldariof?
<banisterfiend>
shevy: i thought your middle name was "Hans"
<shevy>
banisterfiend, naaaah... "Hans" is just a short way for "Johannes"
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<shevy>
Hans-Peter
<shevy>
those are even better
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<shevy>
I hate complexity :(
<apeiros_>
I love complexity!
<apeiros_>
it's an awesome excuse to start over :D
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<shevy>
cool... it is raining ... but the sun is shining at the same time
<shevy>
(not a lot of rain though, just a bit)
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<zUriel>
Any suggestion for a Ruby IDE on Windows ?
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<shevy>
typical swiss weather
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<shevy>
zUriel usually an IDE is overkill for ruby, on any OS. also most IDE just suck for ruby as well... you could try out eclipse or aptana studio. i hated both though
<shevy>
if you are fine with any editor, notepad++ or geany should be fine on windows. sublime is also ok
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<shevy>
or you can try redcar ... which is written in ruby at least and has #redcar IRC channel too
<zUriel>
I use Ntepad++ at the moment, but was wondering if there were alternatives
<shevy>
I like notepad++
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<ryanf>
rubymine is the only ruby ide that is worth trying, imo
<shevy>
aptana I hated the most, I couldn't do anything in it... everything I tried, it seemed to purposely jump into my way
<zUriel>
I'll check rubymine just to have a look. I used to work with Netbeans but I understood Ruby was no longer supported
<shevy>
eclipse was not sooo bad... just awfully slow for startup
<zUriel>
eclipse is probably overkill for what I do
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<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
that's how I feel with IDEs in ruby :)
<shevy>
perhaps there is a better trade-off with them when one has to work with +100 files at the same time
<shevy>
but most of the time I tend to work in the range of 5-25 files
<shevy>
and usually when there are too many, it quickly boils down to an average of 8-12 again
<zUriel>
shevy: do you use any ruby-specific plugins for Notepad++ ?
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<shevy>
zUriel nope. I really find that not necessary. when I need to know something, I ask my brain, or I re-use a solution I wrote before, or, which also often is the case, I ask my local knowledge base, where I store everything that i useful to me and related to ruby
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<shevy>
zUriel you can also try out pry, it is like irb but better, and can show/display you documentation + method source, so it works a tiny bit as a super-mini-IDE
<shevy>
via the show-method und show-doc commands
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<zUriel>
I'm googling that...
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<banisterfiend>
shevy: und lol
<shevy>
banisterfiend I keep telling you, "und" alone doesn't make sense
<apeiros_>
und?
<shevy>
italian has "e" for "and", but they use it standalone. they sing it. they often use "e" in between sentences
<shevy>
what und
<shevy>
what do you wanna say with und
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<shevy>
banisterfiend, you should ask apeiros_ for "und"
<shevy>
:)
<apeiros_>
oder!
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<shevy>
how long until we will have the RubyOS
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<zUriel>
Just to let you know : The FunctionList plugin of Notepad++ can be used to have a treeview of your function (you'll have to update the ruby pattern matching for that, however)
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<shevy>
in the first form, I could use Proc.new to exit early, or?
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<lessless>
Spreedsheet died on 7mb excel file :( RIP
<lessless>
Spreadsheet
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<lessless>
on 7 mb file :)
<lessless>
is there any module to read excel file line by line ?
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<multi_io>
are there libraries that support writing (not just reading) large XML files that don't fit into a DOM in memory?
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<multi_io>
or do you have to use puts et al and deal with escaping etc. yourself?
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<multi_io>
hm, I might load consecutive parts of the documents into small DOMs and write them out sequentially
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<cperrin88>
Hey, I once saw a roguelike game thingy where you could only control the player with ruby code ... but I can't remember the name
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<cperrin88>
anyone an idea
<cperrin88>
?
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<banisterfiend>
cperrin88: rubywarrior
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<mechanico>
Hi
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<mechanico>
I would like to have a hash as a class instance variable, is that possible? and if so would I be able to access it as any other hash
<mechanico>
with an attr_accessor :myhash
<mechanico>
?
<apeiros_>
mechanico: yes
<cperrin88>
Hey, I once saw a roguelike game thingy where you could only control the player with ruby code ... but I can't remember the name. Does somebody something like this?
<apeiros_>
but you need to have the attr_accessor in the class' singleton_class
<mechanico>
ok
<apeiros_>
mechanico: e.g.: class Foo; @options = {:default => 'options'}; class <<self; attr_reader :options; end; end
<apeiros_>
note that if you're having a hash, you should probably only provide a reader, not an accessor
<apeiros_>
not that somebody does: Foo.options = "hello"
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<mechanico>
apeiros_: well I do need to be able to write it as well
<mechanico>
maybe there is a better way
<apeiros_>
mechanico: you can write to it
<apeiros_>
Foo.options[:key] = "value" works with a reader too
<apeiros_>
[]= is a method on the hash, not on Foo. and you only read options. you didn't assign to it.
<shevy>
cperrin88 banisterfiend said rubywarrior, do you not read replies?
<mechanico>
the summary is that I have a class, which has multiple belongs_to that map to other classes, using ActiveLdap. those other classes all have a method parameters which every class return the right parameters for itself. my encompassing class now ned to collect these parameters together and push them in MyClass.parameters which would be returned to the caller
<cperrin88>
shevy: Oh ... I didn't see it
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<apeiros_>
mechanico: yes, only providing a reader and not a writer doesn't stop you from doing that.
<mechanico>
so I thought a classe instance variable of a hash would work for this, and I would be able to update the hash appropriately as I get the params back . is that a sane way to do things?
<cperrin88>
Thank you banisterfiend
<cperrin88>
and shave
<cperrin88>
shevy:
<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
I am going to shave
<banisterfiend>
can someone think of a nice name for a clipboard command?
<banisterfiend>
and a ncie shortcut
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<mechanico>
apeiros_: do I need all the class instance variables in the singleton or are hashes somewhat special?
<apeiros_>
no specials for hashes, no.
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<apeiros_>
even a class instance variable itself is nothing special.
<mechanico>
apeiros_: can you please explain why should it be in the singleton then?
<apeiros_>
it's just consequent application of rubys object model.
<apeiros_>
mechanico: only the attr_accessor/_reader. and that's because attr_accessor defines an *instance* method, not a class method.
<shevy>
banisterfiend buffer / copy buffer, copy clipboad.. cclip ... copyclip ... for my pseudo shell I use { and } to start or end the clipboard buffer
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<begriffs>
Anyone know how to make a fiber that raises an exception every time it is resumed?
<cout>
that sounds more like a continuation than a fiber
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<begriffs>
I'm using fibers to do iterators like in python's itertools, and the python iterators always raise a StopIteration exception when they become exhausted.
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<banisterfiend>
begriffs: ruby already has python like iterators afaik
<begriffs>
I tried this in Ruby, but it raises the exception only the first time it is resumed, but not subsequently: f = Fiber.new do; while true; raise StopIteration; end; end
<banisterfiend>
begriffs: and they do raise StopIteration
<begriffs>
Ah cool. So far it seems fibers have been the only way to do laziness.
<banisterfiend>
well Enumerators are built on top of fibers
<carloslopes>
banisterfiend: hmm iirc, the lazy enumerable was having some problems with performance
<begriffs>
So the lazy enumerators do things more efficiently than fibers?
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<banisterfiend>
begriffs: just a higher level api
<carloslopes>
s/enumerable/enumertor
<banisterfiend>
carloslopes: link?
<carloslopes>
banisterfiend: one sec please.. :)
<begriffs>
Still curious if there is a way to make a fiber raise an exception every time it is resumed. It's tricky because the exception seems to break out of any loop meant to repeatedly raise it.
<banisterfiend>
carloslopes: np
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<begriffs>
Actually looks like more than a looping issue, because this non-fiber function works correctly
<begriffs>
def g; while true; raise StopIteration; end; end
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<begriffs>
vs. f = Fiber.new do; while true; raise StopIteration; end; end
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<begriffs>
Nearly identical but the second time I do f.resume it says "FiberError: dead fiber called"
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<carloslopes>
banisterfiend: did you receive my messages?? my connection dropped :/
<banisterfiend>
carloslopes: no i didnt
<banisterfiend>
repaste
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<banisterfiend>
carloslopes: yes but it didnt give the date of the UPDATE
<carloslopes>
banisterfiend: check the first update inside the post
<banisterfiend>
and there were multiple UPDATEs
<banisterfiend>
so i wasn't sure if it still applied
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<banisterfiend>
i assumed it didnt, since the patch was accepted further down in the article passed that UPDATE
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<nathan28>
hey all, is Rmagick the preferred library for image manipulation? I'm just trying to automate generation of thumbnails for a gallery on a sinatra page
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<carloslopes>
banisterfiend: if we see the comments, they are from 2 months ago and they say about the performance issue :/
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<Mon_Ouie>
I think at lov
<Mon_Ouie>
at low-level, switching execution context isn't that great*
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<shevy>
nathan28 rmagick is kinda dead. I use imagemagick via system '' myself
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<nathan28>
shevy: i'm not sure if my discount host has or will let me install imagemagick (i'm not going to call them either) but running it locally and then cloning it over would work
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<tom__719>
join #rubyonrails
<shevy>
tom__719 no!
<shevy>
tom__719 resist the evilness!
<shevy>
tom__719 I implore you
<carloslopes>
shevy: lol
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<carloslopes>
shevy: you are looking like Hanmac ;)
<nathan28>
shevy++
<shevy>
:)
<shevy>
Hanmac is my teacher
<shevy>
he knows ruby AND C++
<nathan28>
join #sinatra instead
<shevy>
i know only a bit of ruby myself
<carloslopes>
#sinatra is awesome, but rails too (imho)
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<tom__719>
shevy: i chuckled :)
<shevy>
carloslopes I think ruby should even come integrated with ... sinatra (or, something similar to sinatra)
<shevy>
requirement should be: good documentation, lightweight and simple
<carloslopes>
shevy: agree :)
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<banisterfiend>
shevy: what's the point of that when gems are so convenient already
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<carloslopes>
shevy: my first web app using ruby was with rails, i was in love.. but, when i used sinatra for another project, omg! my heart was broken between both :/
<shevy>
banisterfiend with gems, fragmentation still happens
<shevy>
banisterfiend for instance, some people use irb rather than pry because pry is (not yet) integrated
<shevy>
but it also is a shift in focus
<shevy>
ruby as a whole should be much more opinionated in what should be bundled and distributed by default
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<shevy>
(and minimum standards must be followed. like, documentation... I found parts of the stdlib simply unusable because of a lack of documentation)
<rking>
shevy: Pah.
<rking>
Nonsense.
<shevy>
here ruby could learn from python
<rking>
Oh goodness. Not python.
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<shevy>
I am going to wait until everyone is on python 3
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<shevy>
python 3 man
<shevy>
it will change the world
<shevy>
it will bring love and happiness to everyone
<carloslopes>
shevy: hmmm :/
<rking>
shevy: Did you know that python3 still doesn't have "%b" % num to get binary formatting?
<rking>
But you know what they /did/ add?
<rking>
bin().
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<shevy>
hmm wait
<shevy>
you say, they lost a feature from 2 to 3 transition?
<rking>
A global function that takes a number and returns a string like "0b100010"
<shevy>
ah sorry
<shevy>
misread
<rking>
No, they never had %b.
<shevy>
you said they added bin()
<shevy>
they really love functions
<rking>
They /do/.
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<rking>
But the infamous 2->3 thing that they did lose was the ability to use parenthesisless `print`. Now it's not a keyword, but a plain function. print("foo") is the only way.
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<shevy>
I hate that actually
<shevy>
I really HATE typing the () around that
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<shevy>
in ruby I end up doing this
<shevy>
e 'foo'
<rking>
e?
<shevy>
this is sweet
<shevy>
yeah
<rking>
Meaning what?
<shevy>
kinda like "echo"
<rking>
Oh.
<shevy>
well you have p 'foo' too in default ruby
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<shevy>
and it's an abbreviation too I suppose
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<carloslopes>
shevy: p is abbreviation of puts object.inspect
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<Mon_Ouie>
I think they might be able to do something like p = print, not sure how exactly
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<Tasser>
shevy, in ruby, () is just syntax. in python it's also some semantics
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<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
explicit is better than implicit
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<shevy>
even if it leads to verbosity
<shevy>
I think they must like XML
<shevy>
because it is very explicit
<Tasser>
that's not the point
<Tasser>
foo = print
<Tasser>
foo('bar')
<Tasser>
# => prints bar
<shevy>
oh cool
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<Tasser>
^^
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<shevy>
hah!
<shevy>
so I can use p('bla') in python
<Tasser>
indeed
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<ragnok>
hi, i'm trying to use sass. i have ruby installed and also sass. but when i do sass --watch style.scss:style.css i get an error invalid option: --watch any ideas? i cant find nothing on google
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<Tasser>
am I the only one who tries to open a file as text if it has an unknown/no extension? Confuses the hell out of people to send them .org or plaintext files because .txt everywhere is ugly...
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<Tasser>
isn't there an unicode-aware strip that strips nonbreaking spaces as well?
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<Mon_Ouie>
sub(/\p{Space}*\z/m, "")
<shevy>
banisterfiend sorry, too scared to click
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<reggal>
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<Hanmac>
spyvspy look at the topic and join #rubyonrails
<spyvspy>
k, sorry, i just wanst geting any help in there
<spyvspy>
pulling hair out etc
<ximarin_>
hi all, question: I installed the latest version of ruby using rvm. the binaries are not symlinked to the bin-dir automatically. So where can I find he binaries now? In my rvm/bin-dir are symlinks to the latest versions, but are those the versions to use for me in development or are they just for rvm?
<deryl>
spyvspy, there is no requirement for anyone to *immediately* answer you, and it could be that people don't have an answer for you. if you have problems you can also speak to the oath2 gem maintainer.
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<deryl>
there is more than one way to skin a cat
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<spyvspy>
i realize there is no requirement
<spyvspy>
just figured this might be another way to skin the cat
<Hanmac>
if you comibe the cat with a snake, the "snacat" can skin it itself
<deryl>
ximarin_, make sure that you are running the latest rvm (rvm get stable) and those symlinks will change as you change rubies within rvm. (rvm use x.x.x-pxxx etc)
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<deryl>
since they will change as you change rubies, you should be using #!/usr/bin/env ruby in your scripts and not directly calling the binary otherwise your scripts will break.
<deryl>
please see the scripting info on the rvm page, and please take rvm related questions to the rvm channel
<multi_io>
ah, you have to require it separately...
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<offby1>
Ruby Nuby asks: why does this simple test ( https://gist.github.com/2859586 ) fail? (I'm used to scheme, perl, and python)
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<TTilus>
offby1: classes, modules and functions open a new scope
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<TTilus>
offby1: local vars in surrounding scope arent visible in the new
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<TTilus>
offby1: the cod you have written there makes absolutely no sense, btw :)
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<offby1>
well it's just an example.
<TTilus>
offby1: thats what i thought
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<offby1>
so the only way a function can refer to variables outside of itself, is if those variables are $, @, or @@?
<TTilus>
offby1: if you _really_ want to ddfine a function with an access to surrounding scope, use define_method, blocks are closures, and they do not open a new scope
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<TTilus>
offby1: your thoughts seem a bit function-centric
<offby1>
indeed
<TTilus>
offby1: with ruby things flow a bit more easily when you start thinking thru objects
<offby1>
I am pretty sure that my previous experience in other languages is hindering me as well as helping me
<TTilus>
thats pretty much always he case
<offby1>
OK, so where are the objects in my gist? I don't see 'em but I assume there's at least one floating around somewhere.
<TTilus>
just go read ruby
<TTilus>
_everything_ is an object :)
<TTilus>
it is turtles all the way down
<Hanmac>
mostly everything in ruby is an object ... and if not it could be turned into one :P
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<offby1>
well, specifically: if I stick a @ in front of all references to "data", the test passes. So: of what object is @data an instance variable?
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<TTilus>
offby1: your SomeThing is actually an object :)
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<offby1>
or, of what object is gimme_that_data a method?
<burgestrand>
offby1: the current "self", you could print it with "p self"
<offby1>
burgestrand: ah. And "self" is, in effect, dynamically bound ...
<TTilus>
offby1: that would make it an instance var of top level object
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<burgestrand>
offby1: if you mean what I think you mean then yes, there is *always* a self in ruby
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<TTilus>
..and its always an object
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<offby1>
I've stuck some "puts" calls in my code, but I don't see their output. Does "rspec" suppress stdout ?
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<burgestrand>
Not as far as I know, no. It could be that they are trying to puts something that is nil.
<TTilus>
Hanmac: exactly, and the colored is the n'th gen metaclass
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<burgestrand>
offby1: if you use p, it will call .inspect on the object being printed beforehand, which is usually a good idea if you don’t know what object you are printing
<burgestrand>
offby1: in effect, when printing nil’s you’ll actually see "nil" instead of an empty string
<Hanmac>
TTilus: it sems that you didnt know Waldo?
<TTilus>
offby1: dont puts, just stick a repl in there
<burgestrand>
offby1: often it’s better doing that ^
<TTilus>
Hanmac: no i didnt
<TTilus>
offby1: install pry and use binding.pry and go exploring the world around you
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<offby1>
TTilus: I've got pry, but I don't know how to run rspec tests within it. But that's moot, since I can write an example that doesn't use rspec.
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<offby1>
burgestrand: yes, I know about p and puts and pp.
<TTilus>
offby1: you dont need to
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<binaryplease>
strnx: hi yes i am on blinknshell
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<TTilus>
offby1: just require 'pry' in your env.rb or whatelse and then use binding.pry as breakpoint
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<TTilus>
pry is pure awesome
<Hanmac>
TTilus: Waldo is the person in the Search images
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<burgestrand>
offby1: by that he means use "binding.pry" instead of "puts whatever"
<offby1>
hmm, ok
<burgestrand>
offby1: it will start a pry session at that specific point in your code, so you may inspect any variables you’ve assigned (and even change them)
<TTilus>
Hanmac: had to ask google, now i know, havent ever seen those books here in finland
<Hanmac>
currently i have installed pry but i dont use it ... for me irb is enough
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<TTilus>
Hanmac: read the command list once and you kow why you should :)
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<offby1>
pry has nicer colors :)
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<Hanmac>
it doesnt protect me from my segfaults :P
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<strnx>
binaryplease☣ though i recognized you:)
<TTilus>
and its simply superior in every sense
<offby1>
so "ls" in pry shows me that there's a local variable named "data", which is as I'd expected. But it didn't show any mention of "gimme_that_data", which surprised me.
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<Hanmac>
offby1 i think gimme_that_data is defined as instance_method, not as class/singleton_method
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<Hanmac>
you may need something like this: >> def self.gimme_that_data; data; end
<offby1>
so ... on what instance is it defined? Apparently not "self"
<Hanmac>
offby1 an instance method is defined in the class but works on all instances
<offby1>
so I should find gimme_that_data somewhere in the Object class?
<Hanmac>
no, try it as i wrote before
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<offby1>
I tried def self.gimme_that_data; data; end ; I didn't observe any difference
<binaryplease>
strnx: are you on blinken? cant see you
<Hanmac>
did you still get an error ? and if yes what error?
<strnx>
binaryplease☣ NR, not on there at the mo
<binaryplease>
i see
<offby1>
Hanmac: yes, the error is ``hmm.rb:6:in `gimme_that_data': undefined local variable or method `data' for main:Object (NameError)''
<Hanmac>
change all data to @data
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<offby1>
yes, I know that works.
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<offby1>
I'm not trying to simply "make it work"; instead, I'm trying to understand _why_ it doesn't work as it is.
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<offby1>
There's some (probably very simple) underlying concept that I'm not getting.
<workmad3>
I always like looking at problem code :)
<TTilus>
offby1: when you get self and scopes in ruby, you are pretty solid
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<TTilus>
workmad3: /lastlog gist
<workmad3>
TTilus: I only just joined
<workmad3>
TTilus: only gives me the topic :P
<banisterfiend>
TTilus: the lulzy thing about that post is that he had to make a correction to that article which demonstrated it's *not* all about the self :P
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<workmad3>
TTilus: it's hard for an IRC client to bring up logs from a time it wasn't joined after all :P
<AwesomeGarethMan>
hi, anyone know if there's any "gotchas" using SSL for XML-RPC clients?
<Hanmac>
PS: becareful on: sameobj == sameobj compare ... it exist objects where this returns false
<AwesomeGarethMan>
i've got a colleague trying to talk to my python XML-RPC server over SSL and he's having trouble
<workmad3>
ah, def, what metaprogramming ruby called a 'scope gate'
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
ruby client
<AwesomeGarethMan>
heh, hi tom
<TTilus>
workmad3: offby1 wanted to kow why pry las lists the var data but not the method gimme_that_data
<workmad3>
dunno about pry
<AwesomeGarethMan>
TTilus: would you happen to know about this?
<Hanmac>
workmad3: something like: "local variables: you shall not pass" ? :P
<workmad3>
I know why his method doesn't work though :)
<getbitcoin1>
@AwesomeGarethMan: Hey Gareth
<workmad3>
Hanmac: more like 'def explictly doesn't create a closure'... but I guess the tolkein reference is good :)
<AwesomeGarethMan>
oh ruby devs, how i love your culture
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
should use ruby more often myself
<Hanmac>
in ruby its all about references :P
<banisterfiend>
offby1: hi
<getbitcoin1>
I'm trying to use an XML-RPC API over an RoR app, but it won't connect via SSL
<getbitcoin1>
I run the code server3 = XMLRPC::Client.new("https://www.xyz.com/", "/api/xmlrpc", 443, use_ssl=true)
<getbitcoin1>
And I get "@use_ssl=false" when it returns
<AwesomeGarethMan>
hmm, not sure the RoR bit is relevant to the core issue - it was freezing right?
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<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: how is the app set up?
<AwesomeGarethMan>
or maybe i'm wrong...
<getbitcoin1>
@workmad3: It's deployed via Heroku, but I'm testing it in console
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: also, shouldn't that be :use_ssl => true ?
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<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: or maybe use_ssl: true if you like 1.9 hash sysntax
<AwesomeGarethMan>
ah ha, if that's the reason why it'd explain the freezing
<workmad3>
*syntax
<banisterfiend>
offby1, TTilus: 'ls' by itself doesn't show everything, it just shows some useful default data, i.e: local variables, ivars, classs methods. Other things like instance methods, private methods, class vars, constants, globals and so on must be requrested explicitly by passing an option
<banisterfiend>
offby1, TTilus: type `ls -h` to the view the list of options
<offby1>
TTilus: actually that metaprogramming article just confused me more :-(
<AwesomeGarethMan>
if SSL isn't being turned on due to a syntax thing then it'll hang forever when it expects plain HTTP and instead gets an SSL handshake
<Hanmac>
another interesting feature is that you can put defs into defs :P def call; def call; "working"; end; "init...";end; call;#>"init..."; call; #>"working"
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
getbitcoin1: try what the good gentlemen suggested
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: I'm pretty sure I said :use_ssl => true
<getbitcoin1>
Oops dump quote marks, just saw that
<getbitcoin1>
Sorry
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<workmad3>
:)
<AwesomeGarethMan>
bool, not string
<getbitcoin1>
Of course
<AwesomeGarethMan>
if you get the content-type error then we know it's just my server that needs updating
<getbitcoin1>
server3 = XMLRPC::Client.new("https://www.bitinstant.com/", "/api/xmlrpc", 443, :use_ssl => true) doesn't work either
<Hanmac>
... in a good gem it should work with both ...
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<offby1>
banisterfiend: ahoy. Care to take a crack at my problem? I realize I don't understand something fundamental about Ruby: https://gist.github.com/2859586 gives an error, and I don't understand why.
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
getbitcoin1: same freezing issue or a new error?
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
what we want is to see the content-type error, that proves that it's contacting my server
<offby1>
I am so used to Python, Perl, and Scheme that I am probably assuming that Ruby works similarly, and am tripped up when it doesn't.
<banisterfiend>
offby1: when i get hom,e,; currently driving :)
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: ah, I think I see it
<AwesomeGarethMan>
offby1: i'm a huge python guy
<offby1>
AwesomeGarethMan: you don't look that huge from here
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: the method sig is: new(host=nil, path=nil, port=nil, proxy_host=nil, proxy_port=nil, user=nil, password=nil, use_ssl=nil, timeout=nil)
<AwesomeGarethMan>
keep meaning to get into python
<offby1>
5'8" if I had to guess
<AwesomeGarethMan>
err, into ruby
<getbitcoin1>
@AwesomeGarethMan: We know it won't work because it says SSL isn't turned on
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
getbitcoin1: yeah, but when it does work you'll see the content-type error
<AwesomeGarethMan>
so the goal is perversly to get an error message about the content type
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: so to do use_ssl, you need to do new(host, path, port, proxy_host, proxy_port, user, password, true)
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: you can't short-circuit it with a :user_ssl => true on that constructor
<getbitcoin1>
@workmad3: Trying now
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: anything you don't want to use, just put a nil in
<AwesomeGarethMan>
workmad3: does ruby support keyword params like in python?
<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: not at the language level, no
<AwesomeGarethMan>
a common pattern i use is some_func(a,b,c,something_optional=None,something_else=None)
<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: it's just commonly faked with implicit hash conversions :)
<getbitcoin1>
@workmad3: OK got it, that works
<AwesomeGarethMan>
then i call some_func(1,2,3,something_else=blabla)
<AwesomeGarethMan>
getbitcoin1: working now?
<AwesomeGarethMan>
awesome
<getbitcoin1>
@AwesomeGarethMan: SSL is turned on
<AwesomeGarethMan>
ok
<getbitcoin1>
Meet you on Skyper
<getbitcoin1>
Skype
<AwesomeGarethMan>
thanks workmad3
<getbitcoin1>
Yeah, thanks
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: also check out the new_from_hash or new3 constructors for xmlrpc for the docs
<AwesomeGarethMan>
stay here anyway
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
seems a useful channel to idle in
<getbitcoin1>
True
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<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: with that one, you could do new_from_hash(host: ..., path: ..., port: 443, use_ssl: true)
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<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: and that's an example of named params being faked with implicit hashes ;)
<AwesomeGarethMan>
sounds like one of those really nifty language features that confuses the hell out of newbies but lets you do awesome things
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<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: the above is equivalent to new_from_hash({host: ..., etc)
<workmad3>
err, with a closing }
<AwesomeGarethMan>
reminds me a little of **kwargs
<TTilus>
offby1: if you are still looking for your lost method, try find-method in pry
<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: a bit, I did quite like the actual kw args in python, but I prefer ruby in many other ways
<banisterfiend>
TTilus: find-method rocks my socks
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<banisterfiend>
TTilus: esp find-method -c, it rocks out my D.
<TTilus>
offby1: i need to go to sleep now, hope banisterfiend or somebody else will pick up
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<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: and it's possible to fake it in ruby at least... bit more work on methods that do it, but still a nice client experience :)
<TTilus>
banisterfiend: =D
<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: compared to languages like java where you can't even manage a good faked version...
<AwesomeGarethMan>
apparently it worked with "https://www.bitinstant.com/" as the first param until a call to the remote server was attempted
<AwesomeGarethMan>
at which point, DNS error
<getbitcoin1>
Now trying ok, param = server3.call("CalculateFee","zipzap","mtgox",20,"RUB")
<banisterfiend>
offby1: and what's your q.
<getbitcoin1>
That returns "You might have expected an instance of Array.
<getbitcoin1>
The error occurred while evaluating nil.split"
<offby1>
why does the commented-out line get the error
<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: oh, that makes sense... it probably tried to call 'https://https://bitinstant.com//api/xmlrpc'
<AwesomeGarethMan>
yeah
<getbitcoin1>
Yeah I fixed that
<AwesomeGarethMan>
but now it's giving the error getbitcoin1 just mentioned
<AwesomeGarethMan>
so something's still up
<banisterfiend>
offby1: it's just a question of scope
<workmad3>
offby1: because 'def' doesn't create a closure
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<offby1>
indeed it is. ANd the answer is ... ?
<banisterfiend>
offby1: methods created by 'def' dont create closures as workmad3 says
<AwesomeGarethMan>
getbitcoin1: should i leave you to this? i'll go update my server in the meantime so when it works you should get the proper response
<workmad3>
offby1: or, in less jargon, you can't use local variables from outside the 'def' block inside the 'def' block
<offby1>
workmad3: ah, I didn't see that.
<getbitcoin1>
@AwesomeGarethMan: Sure
<AwesomeGarethMan>
i leave you in the capable hands of these fine ruby-using gentlemen
<banisterfiend>
offby1: if u did this instead it would work: replace your code with: define_singleton_method(:gimme_that_data) { data }
<offby1>
pardon me for a moment: WHAT THE HELL KIND OF "def" DOESN'T CREATE CLOSURES?!?? HOW IS THAT USEFUL?!
<offby1>
Ok, I feel better now
<workmad3>
offby1: there are 3 keywords in ruby that have that behaviour... def, class and module
<workmad3>
offby1: 'define_method' exists to create methods with closure blocks
<getbitcoin1>
@workmad3: I got rid of the extra https prefix, but am now getting the "NoMethodError: You have a nil object when you didn't expect it!" error
<banisterfiend>
offby1: same as methods in java and objc, dont create closures either. But we can build methods that are closures by using define_method as workmad3 says
<TTilus>
offby1: come down, think thru olbject, it makes perfectly sense and is really juseful
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<offby1>
hm, or with the awkward "lambda" and "call" business that I've already done.
<workmad3>
getbitcoin1: I've never used xmlrpc
<workmad3>
offby1: or just passing a block to a method
<workmad3>
offby1: and there's always the stabby lambda syntax
<banisterfiend>
offby1: what's awkward about that babe
<offby1>
banisterfiend: it's just strikingly different than what I'm used to, is all.
<banisterfiend>
offby1: the fact u have to use 'call' to invoke it u mean?
<workmad3>
offby1: it's a different language... hardly surprising :P
<Hanmac>
workmad3 what do you think about def in other def? XD
<offby1>
no, the fact that "def" doesn't create closures.
<workmad3>
Hanmac: probably a smell :)
<AwesomeGarethMan>
workmad3: it's not a protocol-specific issue, we tried this against a plain HTTP server with no SSL and had it working fine
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
so it's not XML-RPC per ser that's problematic, it's running it over SSL
<banisterfiend>
offby1: im making american-style fried chicken, do u have any secret ingredients to help me out
<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: no, I mean I've never used xmlrpc so I don't know what the errors could come from
<offby1>
banisterfiend: marinate in buttermilk before frying!
<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: I don't know how it acts... I diagnosed the first issue just by looking at the api docs :P
<AwesomeGarethMan>
heh, ok
<offby1>
actually I never make fried chicken because I'm afraid of setting the kitchen on fire. But I do love it
<banisterfiend>
offby1: excessive!
<offby1>
I'm told it's good, but as I say: never tried it
<AwesomeGarethMan>
well, that nil error - could it be that it's storing some of the params from the constructor and then trying to reference them?
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
getbitcoin1: by the way, production server is updated
<workmad3>
AwesomeGarethMan: no idea, and I need to go I'm afraid
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
ok, well many thanks for your help
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<AwesomeGarethMan>
getbitcoin1: when we had it working against my dev server, how were you calling CalculateFee? can you make sure it's the exact same line?
<getbitcoin1>
@AwesomeGarethMan: Thanks, trying now
<banisterfiend>
offby1: what is your primary development language, besides e-lisp
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<offby1>
right now: ruby! Scary, huh?
<AwesomeGarethMan>
e-lisp - tell me you mean that lisp frontend to erlang
<AwesomeGarethMan>
not emacs....
<offby1>
But you probably meant "in the last couple years". Python and Perl.
<offby1>
for fun, "Racket" (formerly known as "PLT Scheme")
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<banisterfiend>
offby1: did u hate your boss when he made you switch to ruby? i remember you saying mean things about it a year or so ago
<offby1>
AwesomeGarethMan: he meant emacs. I'm a big ol' Emacs zealot
<offby1>
banisterfiend: I wasn't being truly mean -- just snarky. And despite my whining here, I'm quite enjoying it.
<AwesomeGarethMan>
offby1: heathen
<AwesomeGarethMan>
vi is the one true path
<offby1>
*shrug*
<offby1>
I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam
<banisterfiend>
AwesomeGarethMan: offby1 is an old emacs greybeard
<AwesomeGarethMan>
an enemy leader!
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<banister_>
offby1: i think this will taste hella weird, i have a feeling i put way way too much garlic powder in
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<banister_>
and onion powder
<offby1>
bleah
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<offby1>
I'm pro-onion and pro-garlic, but not crazy about the powdered versions
<banister_>
yeah
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<banister_>
but i cant put ordinary garlic/onion in a flour mix
<banister_>
for a batter
<offby1>
well .... you could mash up the garlic and mix it into the batter. Probably can't do that with an onion though
* offby1
googled for "ruby closures" and has thus opened Pandora's box
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<banister_>
offby1: haha
<banister_>
offby1: Yeah, the complexities are way overstated IMO
<banister_>
in practical usage it's really straight forward
<banister_>
offby1: i normaly just ignore lambdas and use procs instead
<banister_>
though the 1.9 lambda syntax is tempting
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<banister_>
offby1: hey if u havent got a book yet, i recommend u read 'the ruby programming language'
<banister_>
offby1: forget the other ones, it's the only one you need to read
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<banister_>
offby1: the one co-authored by matz
<Boohbah>
i also recommend this book
<AwesomeGarethMan>
matz - i know that name
<Boohbah>
but i'm not as cool as banister_ :)
<banister_>
AwesomeGarethMan: hehe
<offby1>
I already got the new edition of the Pickaxe book; it's good
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<banister_>
offby1: i personally think pickaxe is a distant 3rd or 4th in the ruby book rankings
<banister_>
but it has some great chapters esp the one on C extensions
<banister_>
but it just feels too bloated and disorganized for me
<banister_>
the advantage of the matz book is it's really concise
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<offby1>
So I guess the solution to my problem is: methods aren't closures, but there are about a zillion ways to create closures if you want 'em (I've updated https://gist.github.com/2859586 with lots of examples).
<banister_>
offby1: get it for your android tablet
<offby1>
Don't got no tablet.
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<banister_>
offby1: cool, seems like u got the hang of it
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<offby1>
all except the _why_
<banister_>
offby1: are smalltalk methods closures?
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<banister_>
offby1: if not (and i dont know the answer) then that's probably the reason, ruby takes a lot after smalltalk
<offby1>
I don't know about smalltalk.
<offby1>
AwesomeGarethMan: I never got into smalltalk because I couldn't figure out how to use Emacs to edit the code :)
<banister_>
hehe
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<seanstickle>
SmallTalk is lovely, once you learn how to use it with an editor
<seanstickle>
Instead of that godforsaken IDE/class browser thing
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<banister_>
seanstickle: sup stick
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<seanstickle>
hey horsey
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<offby1>
banister_: -- you're making fried chicken at 5:30 in the morning?!
<banister_>
offby1: Yeah, i've been fantasizing about fried chicken all night
<banister_>
soon as i woke up i made it
<seanstickle>
Wait, chicken?
<seanstickle>
Who wants a tour of the National Chicken Council offices?
<seanstickle>
I can arrange it!
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<banister_>
offby1: it was gross btw
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there is some function to work with dates in ruby?
<User_2012_irc>
I need a program to enter 2 dates, calculate the oldest and the newest, and count down to the oldest date.
<seanstickle>
User_2012_irc: yes, the Date class
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